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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's.

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Speaker 2: I like that we live in a society where things

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Speaker 2: get tackled. The federal government has a Good Society Initiative.

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Speaker 2: This is part of the Australian Government's Respect Matters program

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Speaker 2: to support respectful relationships education in Australian schools. That's terrific.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to be engaging, flexible online program that helps

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Speaker 2: students develop safe, healthy and respectful relationships. This is great,

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Speaker 2: particularly as we've had a lot of discussions recently in

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Speaker 2: what makes a healthy relationship, what consent means, how to

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Speaker 2: respect somebody when you're allowed to say no. These have

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Speaker 2: been giant issues discussed, whether it's sexual behavior in the

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Speaker 2: offices of parliament House, whether it's in the school yard,

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Speaker 2: whether it's the way school kids treat each other, all

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Speaker 2: through society. We've been discussing this in recent weeks.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: The government video that consent video from the Good Society

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Speaker 2: Initiative has a lot of people scratching their It's an

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Speaker 2: unusual thing where there's a boy and a girl. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like it's aimed at really little kids. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: I think it's supposed to be aimed slightly older than that.

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Speaker 3: How old.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's something I read that said it's from fifteen

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Speaker 2: to eighteen year old, right, But even little kids need

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Speaker 2: more direct language than this. There's a boy and a

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Speaker 2: girl sitting side by side. They're having milkshakes, and through

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Speaker 2: the course of this, she puts her hand into the

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Speaker 2: milkshake and it ends up being like ice cream and

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Speaker 2: smears it on his face.

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Speaker 3: A big shake. I think it's more of a thick shake.

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Speaker 2: I still, I'm struggling. Here's here it is.

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Speaker 1: To cross into the action zone. Those people must agree.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to try my milkshake?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: I do you do? Huh? Well, drink it? Drink it all?

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Speaker 1: What are you doing to drink it all? This is

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Speaker 1: what we call a movie in the line. When a

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Speaker 1: person imposes their will on you, it's as if they

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Speaker 1: were moving the yes line over the maybe zone or

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Speaker 1: the end zone, ignoring your rich in a world and

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Speaker 1: violating your individual freedoms and rights. And that's not good.

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Speaker 1: How does a line move make you feel? For instance,

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Speaker 1: some decisions may be more important to you than others.

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Speaker 1: Moving the line on should we have pizza for dinner

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Speaker 1: may not upset you as much as moving on, can

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Speaker 1: I touch your butt. Similarly, if someone moves the line once,

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Speaker 1: it might not matter to you, but if someone moves

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Speaker 1: the line over and over again, even on small decisions,

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Speaker 1: then you might come to feel very upset.

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Speaker 2: It seems to me in that bit.

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Speaker 3: There, you know what, I'm starting to get it just

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Speaker 3: by listening to it. I think when I was looking

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Speaker 3: at it, I got distracted by the actors in it,

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Speaker 3: But now listening to it, I get it.

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Speaker 2: But the sailing bit for me in that was saying,

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Speaker 2: you have to ask can I touch your butt? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Why do we need to discuss milkshakes and pizzas? And

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Speaker 2: there's another one where they're talking about taco's and another

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Speaker 2: one about swimming at the beach where there are sharks.

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Speaker 2: We have been told through all of this that kids

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Speaker 2: need very plain language, and I don't know if that's

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Speaker 2: what that is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it comes down to that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure I know what consent means, and I'm struggling

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Speaker 2: after seeing that to understand what that's saying.

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing, Like, I'm fifty three, I'm pretty

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Speaker 3: sure I know I know what consent is. And I

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Speaker 3: grew up in the you know, in the bad old days,

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Speaker 3: and I knew about consent. I knew not to push

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Speaker 3: my will on a girl. If a girl said no

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Speaker 3: to me, I would have I respected that decision. Many

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Speaker 3: girls said no to me, by the way.

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Speaker 2: But also there's something really interesting a friend of mine

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Speaker 2: said recently, you know that scene and married at First Sight,

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Speaker 2: where there are two I don't know which two they are.

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Speaker 2: I think they're the ones that may have made it

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Speaker 2: to the end. And they're in the bath and he's

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Speaker 2: getting Linda and Patrick, he's getting her feet and clapping

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Speaker 2: them together, and she sits there in the bath and

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Speaker 2: that happens. Afterwards, she says to the camera that's really creepy,

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Speaker 2: and social media melted down about what a creep she

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Speaker 2: gave him. It seemed from what we saw, no indication

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Speaker 2: that she didn't want that. So consent is you have

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Speaker 2: to give clear signals, and guys, you have to be

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Speaker 2: ready to see them. Yeah, yep, you're drinking a milkshake

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Speaker 2: or not.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's as basic as no means no, So be

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Speaker 3: you could be.

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Speaker 1: Ready to go not even.

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Speaker 2: Not even no means no unless it's wilful. Yes, it's

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Speaker 2: pretty much a no. You have to actually have a yes,

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Speaker 2: not a lack of a no, do you want pizza?

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Speaker 3: No? Can I touch your butt?

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Speaker 2: It's confusing times, confusing times.

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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda examination