1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: Now, the Alla Springstown Council has terminated a twenty four 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: year old memorandum of understanding between the town council and 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: also an Aboriginal corporation which oversees sixteen town camps in 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: the Red Center. At the July twenty five ordinary meeting, 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: the Alla Springstown Council voted to terminate that current MoU 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: that the Council's got with tonguen g At Council Aboriginal 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: Corporation in order to establish what they have said is 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: a more contemporary, hopefully agreement to both organizations needs. Now. 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Joining me on the line to talk more about the 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: decision is the Mayor Matt Patterson get a matte. 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: Good, Okay, thanks for having me. 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, good to have you on. Tell us why was 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: the decision made to end the twenty four year agreement. 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: Oh, look, it was just over that twenty four years. 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: I think the relationship was pretty strong at the start, 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: but unfortunately over the last a few years, council has 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: been unable to meet with Tongue and JIR and the 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: MoU is probably not delivering on intention for it. So, 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: you know, we want to be able to work together 20 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: with organizations such as Tongue and Jeer, but we just 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 2: can't meet with them, So unfortunately we're going to we're 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: going to terminate it and try to work to. 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: Deliver a new m Yeah, this is something that we 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: I know, we've spoken about or we've definitely covered in 25 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: the past, the fact that that you had tried to 26 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: meet with Tongue in Jia over the different issues that 27 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: you've had in our springs in recent months and years, 28 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: and really haven't been able to get to them, get 29 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: them to the table, have you. 30 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: No, And you know we've we've reached out many occasions. 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 2: We've even written to the local government minister, Minister Pike 32 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: to see if he can broak a deal between the 33 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: town council and Tongue Jura and unfortunately he was unable 34 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: to do so. You know, as counsel, we obviously represent 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: everyone in our springs and their organizations that represent industry 36 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: or or people, but you know, we want to be 37 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: able to work with everyone, and unfortunately the relationship with 38 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: Tanganju is just broken down. You know, it's not through 39 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: a lack of trying. 40 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt, how would you describe the way that the 41 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: town camps are being managed at the moment, do people 42 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: seem happy? 43 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: Well, that's a question for the town camp residents. But 44 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 2: you know, I look at the amenity in the town 45 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: camps and you know, there's a lot, a lot left 46 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: to desire. I think that just the general state of 47 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: them is quite poor. But you know, we pick up 48 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: the rubbish fins in the town camps, and I'm sure 49 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: there's other ways that we can work together to deliver services. 50 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: But unfortunately we just as I've mentioned, we can't get 51 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: tang at the table to understand the issues that they're 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: having as well. 53 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes it really hard to be able to 54 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: move forward if you're not able to have those meetings. 55 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: Tell me, I understand it was a pretty difficult decision 56 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: to make. Not everybody on the council was sort of 57 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: on the same page, but even you'd acknowledge that it 58 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: may be, you know, it may not be the best option, 59 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: but it's obviously the path that the council is now on. 60 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think the motion the way that it 61 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: landed there was there was another motion that was on 62 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: the table about approaching them one more time and just saying, hey, 63 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: are we going to do this? It was probably delaying 64 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: the inevitable and we're getting to this situation anyway. So 65 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 2: I think that was the back and forth between the 66 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: elected members and quite quite thankful we're probably in a 67 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: vigorous agreement. It was just about the process to get there. 68 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: But you know, if we're talking about tourism, we want 69 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: to we want to meet with the Tourism Peak body. 70 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: If we want to talk about business, we want to 71 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: meet with the Chamber of Commerce. When we're talking about 72 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: indigenous issues, we want to sit down with lyricypro Clc, 73 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: which we do and we've done before, but we also 74 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: want to have Pang at the table, and unfortunately we 75 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: can't do that, which does make it difficult. And it's 76 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: not saying we're always going to agree, but it certainly 77 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: helps when we're meeting with government ministers and bodies to say, 78 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: you know, we're all on the same page here, or 79 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: you know, this is what we think would be better 80 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: for our spreadings, because ultimately we all need to be 81 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: in the room together to make Alice Springs a better 82 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: place and to address some of the challenges that we've got. 83 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: Have you had any reaction from Tongue and Jeer at 84 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: this point. 85 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: No, No, If you can get on to them. I 86 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: know that some maybe Damia is trying to get onto 87 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: them without much luck that Yeah, unfortunately there's been nothing 88 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: as of yet, but it doesn't mean that it won't come. 89 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, what other next steps do you think, because 90 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: fundamentally what everybody wants is, well, what the council, what 91 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm assuming, wants, is for Alice Springs to prosper. I mean, 92 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: we've seen a situation and you and I have spoken 93 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: so many times and at great lengths and great detail 94 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: about the issues being experienced in Alice Springs, and I 95 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: know that you want the place to prosper. So what 96 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: are the next steps and how big an impact does 97 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: not being able to meet with Tang actually have for 98 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:55,559 Speaker 1: you as the mayor? 99 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's awfully frustrating. But what it 100 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: creates is it creates, you know, the unintended consequence of 101 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 2: auspiceing another organization to live services in Ala Springs is 102 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: it just creates a divide between you know, town camp 103 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: residents and the rest of our springs because they've got 104 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: an organization to look after the town camps, yet Alice 105 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: Springs Town Council looks after everyone else. You know, I'm 106 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: sure the general punter in the town camp might understand 107 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: how the process works or the general puntry and all 108 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: of Springs. So I think it's just, you know, we've 109 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: got to lay it all out on the table and 110 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: get to somewhere where you know, things are getting to 111 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: live for our springs. But the challenges that town camp 112 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: residents face have a flow on to the rest of 113 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: the community, and the issues that we're having as well 114 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: can flow onto town camp residents. So you know, it's 115 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: not a it's not we don't want it to be 116 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 2: a US versus them scenario. And I think, as I've said, 117 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: the more opportunities were we're all hunting as a pack 118 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: and sharing the same message to people in Darwen and Cambra, 119 00:05:59,640 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: the better. 120 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, I want to ask you. We're hearing or 121 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: we're certainly hearing that the Henley on Todd is canceled 122 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: for this year. Is that the case? 123 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? I read some media reports yesterday which is obviously 124 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: pretty disappointing. I think it was just a funding and 125 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: a personnel issue. So we've got to reach out to 126 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: those that organization today and just touch base. But it's 127 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: obviously extremely frustrating. You know, the Master's Games is hanging on, 128 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: you know, by the by a threat as well. So 129 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: you know, this is our tourism season. It's an iconic event, 130 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: Henley on todd So I think that we certainly need 131 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 2: to get that up and going because we need more 132 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: events in our springs, especially iconic ones that have been 133 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 2: around for thirty or forty years. 134 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: Do you have any idea why this decision's been made 135 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: or you know, have you sort of I'm assuming that 136 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: people in town are talking about it. 137 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, So my understanding it was a funding issue and 138 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: also a personnel challenge. You see a lot of events, 139 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: you know, run by volunteers that it's getting more and 140 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: more difficult with people getting busier, and I believe it 141 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: was just a personnel issue and also some challenges with funding. 142 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: I don't know that. I've just read that from Henley 143 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: on Todds. So I'll just wait and see and speak 144 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: to them about what the breakdown is. And you know, 145 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: what are the chances of getting it up and going 146 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: for this year? 147 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what would the impacts be from that 148 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: real tourism perspective, do you think? 149 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be massive, But it's also something. It's 150 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: an event that brings Ala Springs together and you know, 151 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: you just see his parade on all of those sort 152 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: of things. Alice Springs does come together for events like this, 153 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: and you know, the more events that we can have 154 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: in the middle of our CBD promoting Ala Springs is 155 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: obviously essential, but you know, it's just another thing that 156 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: unfortunately is drifting off and we just need to make 157 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: sure that we can support them to get a back 158 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: up and going for this year and then continue on 159 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: going forward. 160 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Matt Patterson, the mayor of Alice Springs, always 161 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: good to catch up with you. Thanks so much for 162 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: your time this morning. Wise, Thanks guy, Thank you