1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: New Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, a Facebook data scientist. Her name 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: was Francis Howan Joyan. I don't want to get a 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: name right, but I apologize Francis. She was a whistleblower 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: for Facebook. She'd worked there, as I said, She claimed 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: that Facebook harms children, it's so's division and undermines democracy 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: in pursuit of breakneck growth and astronomical profits. She said 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: that this platform knew from its internal research the harm 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: that it was doing, particularly to young people, but it 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 2: kept going. She's been in meetings where this was put 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 2: to Mark Zuckerberg, you know what's going on here, and 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: he said, yes, keep going. So we now have a 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: Senate inquiry, a Senate hearing on Capitol Hill. Mark Zuckerberg 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: has had to, and rightly so, sit there in front 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: of the families of victims, of kids who've taken their 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: own lives because they've been abused by predators. They've had photos, shit, 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: they've had all kinds of information taken out of their hands, 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 2: they've been bullied. It's a horrendous situation. There's a senator 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: called Senator Holly who has been very strong on this 20 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: and He's just some of what he had to say 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: to Mike Zuckerberg. 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: Thirty seven percent of teenage girls between thirteen and fifteen 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: were exposed to unwanted nudity in a week on Instagram. 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: You knew about it. Who did you fire? 25 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: Senator? This is why we're building all Who did you Firells? 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:26,919 Speaker 3: Senator? 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: That's I don't think that that's who did you fire. 28 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm not going to answer that. 29 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: There's families of victims here today. Have you apologized to 30 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 3: the victims? I would you like to do so? Now? 31 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 3: Well they're here, you're on national television. Would you like 32 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: now to apologize to the victims who have been harmed 33 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: by your product? Show them the pictures? Would you like 34 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: to apologize for what you've done to these good people? 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: In far everything that you all don through its terrible. 36 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: No one should have to go through the things that 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: your families have suffered. And this is why we invest 38 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: so much and are going to continue doing industry leading 39 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: efforts to make sure that no one has to go 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: through the types of things that your families have had 41 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: to suffer. 42 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: You know why, mister Zuckerberg, why should your company not 43 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 3: be sued for this? Why? Is it that you can 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: claim you hide behind a liability shield, you can't be 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: held accountable. Shouldn't you be held accountable personally? Will you 46 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: take personal responsibility? Senator? 47 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: I think I've already answered this. I mean this is 48 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: the well try again. Will you take personal responsibility? Senator? 49 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: I view my job and the job of our company 50 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: is building the best tools that we can to keep 51 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: our community safe. 52 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: Right, he's known for three years. It's not safe, and 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: he's known for much longer. But there's evidence he's known 54 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: for three years. And this is the crux of it. 55 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: So what Congress would like to do, this is what 56 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: Senator Hawley is saying we should do, is revoke Section 57 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: two thirty. This section protects social media platforms from liability 58 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: for content posted by their users. For example, if you're 59 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: a book publisher and you publish a book that is 60 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: dangerous and causes people to kill themselves and harm themselves 61 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: and have terrible self image, as the publisher, you are liable. 62 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 4: We are out of our broadcasting last night, that's what 63 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 4: we say, allegedly, that's why we can't get away with 64 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 4: what they're in the unfettered wasteland that is social media, 65 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 4: say whatever you want. 66 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 2: And this is the point, and this is what they're 67 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: trying to argue, is he is in charge of a 68 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: publishing company. He's not just setting up a business model 69 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: where it Maybe this is how the dream was at 70 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: the beginning, but now we know how ugly it is 71 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: that you can't just allow people to say anything and 72 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: he's got nothing. 73 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 4: To do with it. 74 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: This is a very interesting point. He needs to step 75 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: up and be responsible as the publisher of form of Facebook. 76 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 4: But also, this technology is just and I love technology, 77 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 4: by the way, but this technology is overreaching us. We 78 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 4: don't even know what it is. 79 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: And we're allowed to push We've been very compliant. It's 80 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: time for the pushback, yep. 81 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: And when they brought in seat belts and drink driving 82 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: laws for cars, I think they've got to do the 83 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 4: same for social media platforms. You just can't spout off 84 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 4: any crap and people believe it. We got people now 85 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 4: believing the world is flat. You know, Galilea proved that 86 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 4: back in the fifteen hundreds that it wasn't. You know, 87 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 4: we are actually devolving and people like Mark Zacherbgbergs just 88 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 4: got to do better. They just have to, and they 89 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 4: should be accountable for what they do. Here is Facebook. 90 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 4: You can't show a woman breastfeeding her child. He can 91 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 4: show a lunatic going on a mass shooting. 92 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we often feel like the genie's 93 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: out of the bottle, what can you do? But we 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: can't be powerless, so the genie back in. I think 95 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: we can. I think this is what we can corral 96 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: the g We can corral the genie and we can 97 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: actually have these protocols in place where he has to 98 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: be responsible for this because someone's got to be the 99 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: grown up. It's very interesting. So this is ongoing the 100 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: Senate here interesting to see what happens. 101 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 4: And the reput licus and the Democrats are actually on 102 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 4: the same side, so it could be a good thing.