WEBVTT - Liam Payne's Complicated Legacy   0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.320 Before we get into the episode, we want to issue 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:05.520 a trigger warning. We touch on themes around suicide and 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:16.280 drug use. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.640 of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:21.560 I'm Sophie Torbah, I'm. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.200 Amy Shauber, and I'm Kate Torba. 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.440 It is so exciting to finally be back after maternity leave. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:27.840 It's been eighteen weeks. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:29.760 It's good to have you back, and it feels very 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:32.800 nostalgic because we have decided to move back to the 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.960 original OG room, which we recorded in before you went 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:38.280 on maternity leave. Yeah, you guys were all over the place. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.360 I used to watch the videos on Instagram and be like, 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.159 what room are they recording in? At the moment, it 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.080 is weird to be back. I didn't think I would 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.000 be away for so long because I had this vision 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:49.800 in my head that it would be really easy to 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.960 bring a newborn baby around with me to recordings and stuff, 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.680 and I quickly learned that no, it wasn't. And I 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.040 definitely don't think that you expected this to be the 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.320 episode to be returning on because news broke last week 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.840 of the sudden passing of former One Direction singer Liam Payne. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.160 We quickly decided that we wanted to investigate this very 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.440 laid and devastating story. We would consider ourselves One Direction fans. 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.959 We went to their concert in Adelaide. It was incredible, 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.080 but I wouldn't say we were part of the fandom. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.360 We didn't have Twitter accounts, so I think we were 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.440 too old to be part of the fandom. I definitely 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.399 think if I was a teenager at the time, I 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.920 could see myself getting involved very heavily on all of 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.520 the Twitter action and also even taking part in writing 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:31.880 the different fiction book. 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.080 You would not have written fan fiction, surely. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:34.679 I don't know. 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:36.160 I mean I love writing. 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.480 As a teenager, I could see myself, particularly if I 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.640 lived in the UK, being swept up in that. And 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.560 I think that's why there are so many complex feelings 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:47.640 around Liam's death, because for so many people he represented 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.240 such a magical part of their teenage years. But some 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.760 people just can't move past the recent allegations made by 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.520 his ex fiance, Maya Henry. Yeah, because a week before 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.440 the fatal fall issued Liam with a cease and desist letter, 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:06.160 and she also appeared on a podcast detailing the alleged 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:07.840 abuse that she suffered at the. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:08.600 Hands of Liam. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.200 We are going to be touching on that later in 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.000 today's episode. But I think that this just adds to 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.280 the complexity around fans feelings. You kind of don't know 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:18.440 what to feel at the moment. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.440 Yeah, and TikTok. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.000 Is a very divisive place at the best of times, 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.680 but particularly for one direction fans at the moment, because 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:27.480 I don't know about you, guys, but my for you 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.320 page has just been all about Liam. I'm having his girlfriend, 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:35.400 Kate Cassidy's TikTok's popping up everywhere right look, and there 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.040 are a lot of one direction fans sharing their grief 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.600 and how they're mourning. And the comment section is just 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.600 so brutal because there are the people that are saying, oh, 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.520 he's a horrible person because of these allegations, and then 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.000 there are other people who are idolizing him even more 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.480 now that he's past. And this story has been moving 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.200 so quickly over the weekend, and with the way that 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.640 the social media algorithm works, not everyone is getting the 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.880 full picture. There's been in so much speculation and a 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.280 lot of conspiracy theories, which is why we want to 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.640 discuss the news that has come to light since his 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:09.320 death in a very nuanced way. 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.079 So let's get into it from the start. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.919 So, as we know, on October sixteenth, Liam Payne tragically 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.840 died after falling from the third floor of his hotel 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.920 balcony in Buenos Aires. Now, in the hours prior to 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.480 his death, Liam was said to be acting erratically in 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.040 the hotel lobby and appeared to be under the influence 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.360 of drugs and alcohol. Witnesses say he was seen arguing 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.400 with a woman about money, and he also smashed his laptop. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.360 An American guest spoke to the media about his encounter 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.720 with Liam that day, saying this. 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:42.560 We had multiple encounters with Liam. Multiple times had come 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.680 down to the lobby, was causing a servance, got being 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.040 escorted back up to his room. There is an incident 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.320 where he was smashing his laptop in the lobby, and 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.440 then the final time he came back down, he actually 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.640 passed out in the lobby the hotel started convulsing a 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:04.040 little bit and had to be physically taken back up 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.560 to his room. And that was about five minutes before 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:07.880 the eventual incident. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.080 Now, as you heard there, hotel staff physically escorted Liam 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.600 back to the suite he was staying in, leaving him 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.600 alone in the room, which had a balcony overlooking in 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.159 internal courtyard and Paul Local police said they received calls 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.400 from hotel staff asking for help with an aggressive man 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.440 who could be under the effects of drugs and alcohol. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.839 In audio obtained by the media, the hotel worker told 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.040 police when he is conscious, he is destroying the entire 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.920 room and we need you to send someone. They added 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.360 that the guest life was at risk because his room 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:43.080 had a balcony. Now when police arrived, Liam had already 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:44.960 fallen fourteen meters. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:45.200 To his death. 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.800 This is just so horrifying and what does not sit 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.800 well with me is why Liam was left alone in 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.680 this hotel room, because it is clear that he was 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.359 severely under the influence of drugs and he was having 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.560 some sort of episode. I just think it's disturbed because, 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.960 as we heard from that witness's account, he was convulsing 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.800 and then collapsed in the lobby, and instead of waiting 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.080 with him and getting him medical care, they physically took 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.160 him back up to his room and then left him 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.320 there by himself. And it is very clear from hearing 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.720 this audio recording that the balcony was a big concern 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.960 of theirs, yet they left him alone. I do wonder 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.880 if there was a patron of the hotel acting in 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.640 this way that wasn't a celebrity, if this is how 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.400 the hotel would have responded, because I really do think 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.360 Liam's fame had something to do with the way they 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.640 managed this crisis. I'm wondering if they didn't want to 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:40.400 attract any negative attentional media around the way that they 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.160 handled him. I also think it has to do with 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.560 how he obtained the drugs, which we are going to 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.080 talk about later in the episode. 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:47.960 What adds an. 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.880 Extra layer to this situation is that at the height 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.760 of his fame with One Direction, Liam said he was 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.839 often locked in a hotel room due to the craziness 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.320 that surrounded the band, and in a twenty twenty one 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.160 interview with Steve even Bartlet from The Diary of a CEO, 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.279 Liam said it left him feeling lonely and trapped. 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:06.760 Let's have a listened to what he said. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.360 My dad said it from day one. Lonely hotel rooms 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.440 man getting locked in that room is not fun. The 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.320 problem we had in the band, and I don't blame 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:14.720 anybody for this. I don't want to seem like I'm 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.960 whining or moment, oh my god, look at my life, whatever, 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.000 but it feels to me like when we were in 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:20.760 the band, the best way to secure us because of 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.800 how big it got was just lock us in our 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.880 rooms and of course what's in the room minibar. So 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:27.320 at a certain point I thought, well, I'm going to 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:28.920 have a party for one and that just seemed to 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.400 carry on throughout many years of my life. And then 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.479 you look back, how long you've been drinking and stuff 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.600 for you're like Jesus Christ, that's a long time, even 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.400 for someone who's you know, as long as I was. 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:39.760 As wild. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.080 But it was like the only way you could get 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.600 frustration out in the day or being like trapped. And 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.680 you know, I spoke about to somebody about this, and 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.440 in child development, you know, as a team, the one 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.000 thing you need is freedom to make choices and freedom 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:54.280 to do stuff. And it was the one thing that 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.440 although we could do anything we wanted, it seemed from 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.280 the outside that we were always locked in a room 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.599 at night, and then it will be car, hotel room, 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.120 stage seeing loocked. So it was like they pulled the 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:06.680 dosk clough off let us out for a minute and 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.279 it and then he's like back underneath it, and I'm like, get. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.240 It's interesting that it was easier for them to just 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.440 lock the boys in a room rather than dealing with 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.200 the chaos outside. I think it was more about controlling them. Yeah, 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.960 and it's fascinating that they were in a hotel room 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.240 by themselves. That they didn't have them bunking in with 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.880 the other band members, probably because they knew that at 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:27.720 that age fights. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.600 Can break out. Well, there are a lot of fights. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.080 Yeah, we've learned about how the boys didn't really all 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.280 get along, and maybe that was at a time when 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.320 they couldn't all be in a room together. I mean, yeah, 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.400 I think a lot of one direction fans had this 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.440 fantasy that they were all best friends. But with any 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:46.280 random teenagers being put together, there's always going to be arguments, 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.080 particularly when you have that level of fame and you're 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.440 in an environment that's not normal. There have been a 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.679 lot of eerie clips that have been resurfacing since Liam's death. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.480 One of them that I keep thinking about is in 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.800 this clip where he spoke about the pranks that he 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.600 pool whilst he was on tour and in one of them, 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.760 he scaled down a rooftop to escape security. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:07.200 Let's row to what he said. 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.440 We then got really dan and started having a bit 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.679 big wat fight. But it was like it was during 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.360 the time of like the Ace Booky Challenge and everyone's 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.640 turn like whatever anyway me and I want to say, 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.239 Louis that I could be wrong or like wet paper 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:21.400 towel in whatever. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:22.200 I mean. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.720 His tourmenters were like locked in his bathroom and I 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.480 was like, I knew they were getting a really big 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.160 thing of water. So I was like, I'm going to 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.360 go out here. And I were two stories off, but 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:31.400 in these days, I was. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:32.800 Like the cat burglar. I would climb everything. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:34.680 So I climbed all the way down these two stories. 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.120 With this in mind, it's really not surprising that in 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.319 the first twenty four hours after his death, some fans 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.000 were convinced that Liam was attempting to jump from his 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.120 balcony into the pool. So he was staying in a 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.720 hotel suite on the third floor, which had a balcony 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.760 looking out to the communal pool area, and rumors started 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.120 circulating on TikTok that Liam had been denied access to 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.440 the pool by staff due to his very intoxicated state. 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:01.439 So once he was locked away. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.720 In his room, the theory was that he attempted to 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.080 jump into the pool from his balcony and he fell short. 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:08.360 Because his body was. 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.000 Found very close to the swimming pool. I think this 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:14.600 theory arose because a lot of one direction fans are grappling, 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.360 obviously with this news and trying to make sense of 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.520 why he died and how, and a lot of people 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.319 don't want to consider that potentially it could have been suicide, 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:24.560 so they're thinking, well. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.760 Here's a fun guy. Maybe he was just jumping into 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:27.160 the pool. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:29.360 I think we need to get into what he was 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:33.040 actually doing in Argentina. So he was there earlier in 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.120 the month with his girlfriend Kate Cassidy to attend his 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:40.600 former bandmate Nile Horns concert, and before departing for Argentina, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.720 Liam posted a snapchat saying he was attending the concert 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.839 as he wanted to square up a couple of things 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:46.319 with Nile. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:57.520 Yeah, so today I am going to gine Argentina. U 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:04.680 damn my Argentina. Going to Argentina one because we have to, 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:09.240 and two because we want to, and three because niall 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:13.120 Horan's playing down there, and I think we might just 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:17.360 go and say hello. It's been a while since me 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:23.079 and Nile have spoken. We've got a lot to talk about, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.920 and I would like to square up a couple things 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.800 with the boy. No bad vibe or anything like that, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.040 but just we need to talk. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.280 Liam's behavior at Nile's concert raised a lot of eyebrows, 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.480 and a lot of the clips of him there actually 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.319 went viral on TikTok, So there were clips of him 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.480 singing along to Nile's songs and almost doing his own 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.560 meet and greet with fans, and he was accused of 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:52.240 trying to steal attention away from Nile, and fans began 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.160 comparing the way that Liam behaved at the concert to 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.960 how Harry's Styles behaved at a recent concert back in August. So, 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.720 while Harry was outs concert, he appeared in the backstage 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.800 area and he ducked out before too many people noticed him, 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.080 whereas Liam appeared to be lapping up all of the 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.720 attention and he was very front and center in the box. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.320 I think that's such an unfair comparison when you do 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.680 consider Liam's fame compared to Harry Styles's fame, Like I 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.120 don't think Harry Styles could have sat in a box. 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:19.440 Yeah. 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.280 Well, the day before Liam died, I remember looking on 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.360 TikTok and there were so many people recreating his moment 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.040 and poking fun at him, and he started to be 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.760 branded as cringe and he was slammed for acting really awkward. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.080 But it seems like a lot of fans think that 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.800 this may have been a cry for help, and one 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.120 user wrote he wasn't stealing attention, he was saying goodbye. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:41.520 That is so sad. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.640 Now, what has led to even more fascination in this 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.360 story is that Liam's girlfriend, Kate Cassidy, is an American 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.640 TikToker who was documenting the trip at the time. So 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.720 before Liam's death, Kate originally had forty thousand followers on 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.400 Instagram and around two hundred thousand on TikTok. It's quite 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.240 eerie because one of her tiktoks actually popped up for 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:03.720 me a week before he. 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:05.440 Died, and I'm like, I haven't seen Liam Payne for 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:06.040 so long. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.680 Yeah, because he kept being in these random tiktoks where 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.720 he was doing fit checks and he just looked like 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.160 he was playing the doting boyfriend part really well. Well, 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.680 one of those fit checks in particular, actually worried a 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.679 lot of fans because he kept popping in and out 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.320 of the frame and she kept saying like, tell them 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.000 what you're wearing, and he was just being very aloof. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.480 And people are like, is he okay? 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:28.319 Now? 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.720 Since Liam's death, Kate Cassidy has had an influx of followers. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.240 She now has six hundred and forty eight thousand on 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.280 Instagram and nearly one million on TikTok. So I actually 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.800 thought this was a new relationship, but they've been together 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.920 since October twenty twenty two. They were first spotted attending 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:48.200 a Halloween party dressed as Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee. 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.160 Did you realize that they met because she was a 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:52.960 waitress at a restaurant he was at. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:53.480 No. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.560 Isn't that like everyone's dream to meet someone famous like that? 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:58.839 Well that makes a lot of sense, because I think 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.480 a lot of one direction would have wished something like 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.560 that would happen to them, and Liam actually ended up 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.960 sharing some troll messages he got about Kate when they 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.960 first started dating. So someone accused Kate of only being 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.920 with him for his money, and he responded publicly on 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.600 his Instagram story writing got to say. You could tell 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.560 me anything, and I couldn't be turned. I've never felt 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.880 a love like I do for Caitlin. We make each 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.240 other better people. If it was just for the money, 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.520 I'd give her all of it. It's not, though. Please 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.080 remember I'm Hella sexy, and I know I'm fun and 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.080 a lovable person, and I don't give a fuck to 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:32.839 say that. For the first time in my life, I'm 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.559 happy to be me and that's priceless. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:36.079 Now. 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.760 The couple have been spending time between London and Florida, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.960 and recently Kate documented them moving into this new mansion 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.960 in Florida. She did a full house tour. It's just 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.640 so eerie looking back at these tiktoks. Yeah, and they 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.280 also recently adopted a rescue dog together, and in one 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.040 of Liam's last Snapchat stories, which actually was put up 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.600 an hour before his death, he spoke about how he 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.200 was looking forward to getting home to his dog, Nala. Well, 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.040 Kate actually left the trip early to get back to 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.520 their dog, so the media are reporting that Liam allegedly 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.679 pleaded with her to stay in Argentina with him and 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.360 an apparent friend of the influencer told the Post Liam 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.320 didn't want Kate to leave Argentina. He wanted her to stay. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.560 She says he begged her to stay now. The source 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.240 also said that the argument was actually a little more 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.880 heated than you'd think. The sad thing is they were 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.840 only supposed to be in Argentina for five days, but 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.480 Liam was forced to extend the trip to two weeks 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:35.720 because his US visa application was rejected. In order to 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.480 renew his immigration visa, Liam had to travel abroad, so 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.920 a close friend said that that's why he chose to 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.120 fly to Argentina, because he could watch Nale's performance and 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.400 then also make his visa application at the US Embassy 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:52.640 in Argentina, and that visa was initially refused because Liam 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.960 owned up to the fact that he had abused drugs 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.600 and alcohol in the past, and the only way to 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.920 get the embassy to reconsider his application was if he 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:05.240 underwent psychiatric and medical testing, which he did, which pushed 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.920 out the length of their trip. His friend told The 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:11.400 Daily Mail that he passed all the medical and psychiatric testing, 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.520 but actually passed away before he could have his passport 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.840 stamped and the visa renewed. It's really sad because Kate 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.320 ended up leaving Argentina two days before Liam died, and 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.080 she ended up documenting her trip home on TikTok, and 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.240 I feel like that adds a whole layer to this 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.520 story because I've never known a celebrity death where you 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:34.240 can actually go back and watch almost in real time unfolding. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.200 It's just so weird to be able to see the 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.720 footage of them leaving for the trip and then her 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.200 on her way back home, which is clearly why her 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.880 TikTok is blown up. I mean, her videos are getting 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.200 over twenty million views now. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.640 Kate said that she'd been seated in seat one D. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.040 That's crazy, Yeah, she said, it happens quite a lot, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.280 which means that she travels at the front of the plane. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.760 She also said that she left her squish mallow with Liam, 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.720 and she told her followers that she was so ready 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.280 to leave and went on to say, honestly, I love 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.800 South America, but I hate staying in one place for 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.440 too long. There was also a deleted snapchat where Liam 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.480 teased Kate about leaving him at Argentina. So he said, 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.200 so it's going to be a nice day and then 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:15.560 you're going home haha. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:16.680 Loser weirdo. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:20.200 Apparently, Kate ended up booking herself a ticket home because 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.760 Liam couldn't tell her when he'd be ready to leave, 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.480 and it was clear that she really wanted to get 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.480 back home and in her routine, and the apparent sauce 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.440 said that he was really unhappy about that. 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.440 He made sure that she knew that. 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.360 Reading the quotes that this source gave the media, it 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.200 does appear like Liam and Kate were having a big 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.600 argument before she left. However, they did push that the 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.200 couple weren't having trouble. But it doesn't really match up 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.760 to other news that has surfaced since Liam's passing because 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.440 it was reported that two sex workers actually went to 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:55.640 Liam's room hours before his death, and apparently their source 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.680 said that Kate was still grappling with that information. She 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.680 did release a statement following Liam's death which said, I 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.359 have been at a complete loss. Nothing about the past 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.640 few days has felt real and we will be going 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.560 into the claims about the sex workers a little bit 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.199 later in this episode. But as I touched on, it 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.679 was really eerie because an hour before Liam passed away, 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.879 videos were still being uploaded to his Snapchat story and 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.040 I'm guessing that the videos had been scheduled in by 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.800 an employee because it showed his last few days with 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:27.320 Kate in Argentina, and in the video, Liam wasn't staying 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.679 at the hotel, but he was staying at their friend 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.560 Jones mansion. And these snapchats initially led to a lot 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.119 of confusion because people were trying to piece it all together. 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.679 They're like, this mustn't be true because he's staying at 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:39.200 a friend's house. 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:40.280 He's not even at a hotel. 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:44.399 Yeah, it definitely added to the speculation and conspiracy theories 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.920 that maybe he had not passed away. And it was 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.960 TMZ who was the first media outlet to break the 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.399 news of Liam's death, and they chose to prove the 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:57.119 validity of their story by posting a very graphic photo 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.719 of Liam's body on the hotel deck. In the photo, 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.840 Liam's distinctive tattoos were shown on his arm, and any 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.720 readers who clicked on an alert sent out by TMZ, 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.000 whether it was a tweet or even a link shared 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.600 via a text message, they were met with the gruesome images. 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.080 It just horrifies me that media still act in this way. 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.320 The family probably didn't even know about the news and 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.240 they're reporting pictures of Liam's dead body. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.000 That is just horrific. 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.840 To think that the family potentially could have found out 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.040 that way and have seen the imagery just is so disturbing. 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:33.240 From someone who's. 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.520 Worked in a newsroom, I understand that journalists need proof 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.960 to firm up a story in order for them to go. 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:40.399 To print with the breaking news. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.240 However, I don't understand why the photos ever had to 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.600 see the light of day, because if they were cited 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.600 by TMZ's editorial team, that gave them the proof to 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.000 accurately break the news, there was no need for anyone 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.840 else to see the photos at all. Oh I completely agree, 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.120 and it's not the first time TMZ has actually done 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.239 something like this. So back when Kobe Bryant and his 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.560 daughter passed and a helicopter crash in January twenty twenty, 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.040 TMZ shared the news before police were able to notify 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:10.119 his family. Now Vanessa Bryant later testified in court that 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:14.600 she learned of her husband and daughter's death through social media. Thankfully, 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:18.119 these photos were removed on TMZ's website after a lot 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.600 of backlash. But what's really scary is that new photos 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.960 are popping up all over Twitter. So I've seen a 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:28.199 lot of people creating TikTok videos warning people not to 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.920 click on these images because there's apparently so many of them. 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.760 I assume that they were taken by hotel staff and 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.920 guests and they've just been doing the rounds. I don't 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.199 want to see any of those images, Like something like 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.520 that really does stay with you, and to think about 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.080 all of the young kids online that could potentially be 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:50.119 seeing these images, because there's this gross fascination. Like, for 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.160 some reason, when I heard that these images were out there, 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.800 I almost wanted to look at them to know that 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.080 it was true as well. It's a weird thing about 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.639 being decense these sorts of graphic imagery. But it's just 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.239 such a disgusting invasion of someone's privacy. I mean, he 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.840 has clearly been hounded by the paparazzi in during the 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.720 heart of his fame, and now he can't even die peacefully. 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:14.840 There's people taking photos of his body. It kind of 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.520 reminds me of when Princess Diana died and there were 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.280 paparazzi literally taking photos of her dying instead of getting 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:25.520 her help. Now, a day after his death, authorities released 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.960 Limb's preliminary or topsy results which showed he died from 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.800 multiple injuries sustained from the full which led to internal 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:37.080 and external bleeding and a fractured skull. Twenty five injuries 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:41.080 were reported, including to the skull, abdomen, and limbs. Now, 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.600 the investigators suspect that lim was partially or fully unconscious 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:47.840 when he fell from the balcony due to the position 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.520 in which his body was found and also the fact 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.160 that he had no signs of defensive wounds on his hands. Yeah, 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:58.000 because when you fall, you have this automatic reflex action, 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.520 so your brain will basically tell your hands and arms 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.959 to reach out to try and break your full and 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.640 in this case, the autopsy results show that he did 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.000 not adopt a reflex posture to protect himself, and the 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:12.760 report also noted that there were no signs of a 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.560 fight and confirmed that Liam was alone in his hotel 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.240 room at the time of his fall. There is heartbreaking 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:20.959 vision doing the rounds on media and social media at 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:25.040 the moment of Liam's father, Jeff, visiting the hotel room. 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.840 My heart dropped when I saw it because there's this 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:32.640 shot of him leaning against the balcony rail to see 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.160 how Liam could have fallen like trying to work out 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.800 was it an accident. Yeah, And in the video he 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:42.080 tries to fall from backwards as well as forwards. And 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.119 again these are images that we shouldn't have access to, 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:49.760 but again the ones that you just can't look away from. 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:50.120 Yeah. 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.119 Well, back to the autopsy. While the report said the 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.440 injuries were enough to cause Liam's death, prosecutors are describing 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.560 the case as suspicious and the exact cause of death 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:03.159 is still under investigation. So at the time this was 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.240 because of the likelihood that Liam had been drinking alcohol 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.920 and taking drugs that day. Now the prosecutor's office requested 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:13.639 additional exams, including a toxicology report, and over the weekend 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.359 police told TMZ that they believed Liam was under the 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.359 influence of crystal, which is a drug known to cause 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:23.600 psychotic attacks and hallucinations. It's also known to make people 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:27.240 very aggressive. It's very unusual in Australia for police to 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.800 give direct quotes like that to the media outlets, particularly TMZ, 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.919 but in Argentinea this is not clearly the case. It 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:36.760 does really paint a new idea of what went on. 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:39.679 So it sounds like Liam may have been under the 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:43.520 influence and been hallucinating, which caused him to then jump, 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.080 maybe thinking he was jumping into the pool or jumping 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:47.680 into something, or to just fall. 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:49.480 From the bawconnected. I didn't know what he was doing. 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:53.080 Now, in new claims, it's being reported that investigators believe 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.760 a hotel employee may have sourced the drugs for Liam 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:57.960 before his fall. 0:22:58.400 --> 0:22:59.520 Now, in another. 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:02.720 Invasion of Liam's privacy, the media were quick to publish 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:06.359 images inside his hotel room. So the photo showed a 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:10.600 smashed up TV, a half empty wine glass, white powder 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:12.960 all over the suite, as well as foil which was 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.040 scattered throughout the hotel room. There was also a dove 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.120 soap box packet and the remains of a burnt top 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:22.040 of a drink can which was scattered also across the room. 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.600 For someone who does not do drugs, I was like, 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:28.320 what is the significance of the soap and also of 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:31.080 the our foil? Well in terms of the soap, A 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:35.800 theory on TikTok is that maybe a hotel worker transported 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.040 the drugs in the dove soap box. 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:39.640 Oh, okay, disguise it now. 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:42.920 The drug klnazepan was also found in Liam's sweet which 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:46.840 is often used to control epilepsy, involuntary spasms and also 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:51.119 panic disorders. Now, disturbingly, these images were believed to have 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:54.399 been released by authorities and again this would never happen 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:57.600 in Australia or the US, but apparently it is common 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.720 practice in Argentina because they don't up hold the same 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:03.760 standards to privacy as other countries do. Liam has been 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.480 very open with his fans and also the media about 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:11.000 his struggles with addiction, anxiety, and also suicidal thoughts. During 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.199 an interview in twenty nineteen, Liam admitted that he was 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.080 still lucky to be here and it's something he said 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:20.320 he had never spoken about with people before. Liam has 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:23.520 been open about his journey with alcohol as well, so 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:27.359 he initially started drinking to help him deal with processing 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.440 the fame from one direction, and he said, it's almost 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:32.760 like putting the Disney costume on before you step up 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.679 on stage, and underneath the Disney costume, I was pissed 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:37.719 quite a lot of the time because there was no 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:39.920 other way to get your head around what was going on. 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.200 I mean, it was fun. We had an absolute blast, 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.159 but there were certain parts of it where it just 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.879 got a little bit toxic In July last year, he 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:49.800 also shared a video to YouTube revealing he had a 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.920 one hundred day stint in rehab. Let's have a listen 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:53.639 to what he said. 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:55.600 I just ad a little bit of time out. I was 0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:59.040 just sorry for the mia. It was a few reasons 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:00.760 why I did that. Whed to take a little bit 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:02.280 of time out for myself actual because I kind of 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:04.480 became somebody who I didn't really recognize anymore, and I'm 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.199 sure you guys didn't either. I was so angry at 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.280 what was going on around me, and instead of taking 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.720 a look inwards, I decided to look outwards to everybody else. 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:12.000 And I just think, yeah, I just took it out 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:14.119 on everybody else, which is just wrong really, and my 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.320 own frustrations with my own career and where I kind 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:18.359 of London, I shot everybody else, which is wrong. So 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:21.360 obviously I want to apologize for that in the first instance, because. 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:21.960 That's definitely not me. 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:26.920 Unfortunately, this Stinton rehab was not his last, so according 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:30.320 to the Sun newspapers, Liam actually entered a rehab facility 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:33.400 in late July this year for drug and alcohol addiction. 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:37.240 Now he was doing a twenty eight day addiction therapy program, 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:40.960 but left after forty eight hours. Now back to the hotel, 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:43.879 Casa Sir, because there have been a lot of claim 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:48.200 circulating TikTok, the hotel staff gave Liam the illegal substances 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.080 which were found in his room. Now, this was first 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.320 released on TikTok by Kimberly Clementine, and she shared a 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:58.480 leaked voice note which was allegedly from another hotel worker. 0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:01.280 She ended up translated it to her followers because it 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:04.399 was in Spanish. Now, the alleged hotel worker said that 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:06.960 Liam was in the hotel for a week and was 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.320 a substance user, an alcoholic, and a jerk who was 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:13.439 very sick. He went on to allege that Liam was 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:17.159 demanding that the hotel reps give him substances and one 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:17.840 ended up. 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:18.840 Delivering the goods. 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:22.480 The audio then went onto allege that hotel staff tried 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.720 to kick Liam out, but they couldn't when they discovered 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:28.199 that their worker was the one who supplied him with 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:31.400 the drugs. If this is true, it does make more 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.680 sense as to why the hotel didn't want to call 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:37.120 the police immediately when Liam seemed off. Yeah, they could 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:39.840 have allegedly been trying to cover their tracks, and it 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.440 seems like now that there is a deeper investigation into 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:46.280 these issues, that the hotel could potentially be held responsible 0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.000 for part of this. Yeah, And in the audio, the 0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:52.520 hotel worker also alleged that Liam had two sex workers 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.080 in his hotel room just hours before his death, which 0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:58.679 we did touch on earlier. So when police released Liam's autopsy, 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:02.320 they confirmed they speaking to three hotel staff and two 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:05.639 women who visited Liam's room before his death. Now it's 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.400 important to note that it's being confirmed both women had 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.679 already left the hotel when the incident occurred. Yeah, and 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.760 media are now reporting that Liam was seen arguing with 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:16.400 a woman about money in. 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.360 The lobby just hours before he fell. 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:20.800 It is believed to be one of these sex workers, 0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.520 and a witness claimed to have heard Liam say to 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.119 the woman, I'll give you twenty thousand dollars just because 0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:28.639 I can. I have fifty five million and I like 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:32.199 to help people. Now, this situation was described by the 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:35.520 witness as being very tense, and a hotel staff member 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.680 was there helping to translate the conversation to Liam because 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.760 the woman spoke Spanish. With all this information coming out 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.000 about the sex workers, I do really feel for Kate 0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:47.120 Cassidy as well as Liam's family. There is some information 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.600 that you don't want to know about a family member 0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.560 and also your boyfriend Donna. Yeah, it's be so difficult 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:56.199 to grapple with perhaps feeling guilt over his death, not 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.720 that she is responsible in any means, but you would 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:01.200 feel bad that you had left to go back home 0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:03.440 and you weren't there when it happened. But then there's 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:07.080 this new layer of feeling angry towards that person because 0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:09.600 they potentially have cheated on you. 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:10.159 Yeah. 0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:13.320 Now, since the news of Liam's death broke, fans and 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:16.880 the media have been digging into the past and trying 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.320 to understand what has happened in the days leading up 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.640 to his death. So among their discoveries is the fact 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:27.080 that Liam's ex fiance, Maya Henry, launched legal action against 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:30.359 Liam a few weeks before his death. So the twenty 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:33.120 three year old had issued a ceased and desist letter 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:37.320 against Liam, saying he had repeatedly been contacting her, her 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.760 friends and family. A spokesperson for Maya said that they 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:43.520 issued the cease and desist following the emergence of new 0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:48.560 and concerning information with so many One Direction fans destraw 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:50.000 and at a loss to make sense. 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:50.600 Of this tragedy. 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.920 They are looking for someone to blame, and that person 0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:55.000 appears to be Maya. 0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:56.080 Now. 0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:59.000 Maya first met Liam at a meet and greet when 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.600 she was just fifteen years old. So a friend had 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.400 dragged her along to a One Direction concert, and she 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.440 said she instantly fell in love with the band. So 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:11.160 among a thousand other screaming fans, Maya met the band 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:13.920 members and snapped a quick photo with the boys. Now, 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:17.160 that same year, Maya gained public attention of her own 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.720 when her father threw her a six million dollar fifteenth 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:26.080 birthday party, which featured performances by Pitbull and also Nick Jonas. Now, 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:29.040 this event catapulted her into the spotlight, and she started 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.760 to build a following on Instagram and also pick up 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:35.000 some modeling opportunities. And it wasn't until she was eighteen 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:37.920 when she crossed paths with Liam again because she was 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:41.240 modeling in a fashion show and Liam was also performing 0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:43.880 at one of the parties there. Now, they were only 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:47.960 together for three months until Liam popped the question, and 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.360 during their time together, a lot was made of the 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.360 fact that Maya was previously a fan, because a lot 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:55.280 of fans were jealous of her because she was. 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:56.920 Living out their dream now. 0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.040 They were very on and off again until in twenty 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.480 twenty two when they fisially parted ways and ended their engagement. 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:04.640 And it was in May this year that Maya released 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.680 a fiction book called Looking Forward, which was a play 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:11.520 on the name One Direction. And whilst the book is fiction, 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.480 it is said to be inspired by true events. So 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.600 the novel follows the story of Mallory, an aspiring model 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:21.840 who falls in love with Oliver, a former boy band member. Ironically, 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.360 Maya says it was actually Liam who encouraged her to 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.080 write the book. So when they were together, they went 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:29.920 to the theater to see The After Movie, which is 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.280 pretty wild because the movie is an adaptation of Anna 0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:36.440 Todd's fan fiction book about Harry Styles and the rest 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.360 of the One Direction crew, and after the movie, Liam 0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:42.320 said to Maya, you should write a book about our relationship. 0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:44.600 Fans would love to read a book about a fan 0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.480 getting to date one of the band members. So Maya 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:49.840 had actually written a couple of children's books before and 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.480 thought that this was a really good idea, and at 0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.240 the time, I'm sure Liam thought that this was going 0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:58.200 to be a very glowing review of their relationship. Now, 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.640 in the novel, Oliver's character transforms from a clean cut, 0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:05.800 pop start into an unpredictable addict with a volatile temper. 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.760 And in the book, Maya speaks about the abuse that 0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:12.400 Mallory faced at the hands of Oliver. Now the story 0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:16.160 speaks in detail about Oliver's drug and alcohol addiction, and 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:20.280 in one section, Maya writes about Oliver chasing Mallory with 0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:24.400 an axe. Maya has later confirmed that this incident took 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:28.640 place in real life. Let's read out the excerpt. Suddenly 0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.320 I see Oliver grab something that's next to his bed, 0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:34.840 an axe. He is playfully swinging it around. He starts 0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.400 hitting the bed next to me with the axe, hitting 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:39.920 to one side of me, then the other side. I 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.400 am sitting in the middle watching him hit the bed 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:45.320 whack whack, laughing as if he is playing. 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:46.960 I try to laugh it off. 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.160 Next thing I know, he is ferociously whacking the white 0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:54.080 duvet with this crazed, insane look again. I freak out 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.280 and start running to the guest room down the hall. 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.520 Oliver is chasing me with the axe. I scream and 0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.520 Oliver freezes with the axe in the air. I am 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:05.680 screaming some more. I back away and run down the hallway. 0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:08.640 I am begging him to stop. Then I'm yelling some more. 0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.320 I just know my throat is going to be raw tomorrow. 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.520 He doesn't seem to hear me or anything else. He 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.680 is in a frenzy, heaving the axe, then shouting to himself, 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:21.200 stomping down the hall a few steps yelling. I beg 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.240 him to stop. He doesn't take any notice. I yell 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:27.160 loud it, desperate and so afraid, not for what he 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.360 might do to me, even more for what he could 0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:32.560 do to himself. He is so sloppy and out of control. 0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:36.280 Just one stumble and he could accidentally cut his own fingers, 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:40.120 or worse, just one bad aim and dot dot. Then 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:43.880 it happens that one bad aim. Lifting the axe again, 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.720 he plunges it into the TV. My feet hit the 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.560 cold marble floor. As I try to escape, I lock 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.600 myself in the guests bathroom. My back slides down the door, 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:55.480 and I'm screaming in tears. Not only am I scared, 0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:57.400 I'm wondering how the hell I got here? 0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:58.280 Is this real? 0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:01.400 Wow? That is really hard to listen to. We do 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.560 want to reiterate that these are unconfirmed allegations. 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.040 What I find really eerie is the mention of the TV. 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:12.200 After seeing photos of his TV destroyed in the hotel room, 0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.440 I did think of that as well. Now. In another 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:17.960 section of Maya's book, she writes that Oliver sent Mallory's 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:21.040 mother an unsolicited dick pit, and in the book, Maya 0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:24.960 also wrote about the main character undergoing a painful abortion 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.760 that Oliver insisted she had otherwise he would leave her. 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:29.280 Now. 0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.480 Speaking to People magazine in may Maya said, what I 0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.000 went through in real life is very similar to what 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.040 Mallory went through in the book. I definitely did have 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:41.000 complications and did have to go to the hospital alone. 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:43.560 She continued, saying, if it were up to me, I 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:46.080 wouldn't have had it done. But then also if I 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.480 were to have made a different decision, than I would 0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:50.880 have lost the person that I loved now. In the 0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.440 lead up to Maya's book release, she gave interviews to 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:57.160 high profile media outlets about the book and also Liam's 0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:00.480 alleged abuse, but they have all refused to run the 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.960 story due to the fear of being sued. And I'm 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.560 also guessing due to Liam's star power. Now, it wasn't 0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.759 until Maya posted a TikTok video on the tenth of 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:14.560 October that people started to take notice. Ironically, Maya posted 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.120 a video revealing that it was in fact Zay who 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.279 threw Liam up against a wall during their one D days. Yeah, 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:23.040 there had been a lot of speculation about this since 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.279 Liam appeared on Logan Pol's podcast and he said that 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:30.560 things got physical between him and an unnamed band member. Now, 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:34.000 this video attracted over three million views, with some one 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.719 D fans attacking Maya for talking about Lim and saying 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:39.240 that she should get his name. 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:40.040 Out of her mouth. 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.719 Here's how Maya responded, y'all. 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.800 Don't even know what happens behind closed doors. Are in private. 0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:50.240 Ever since we broke up, he messages me, will blow 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:54.279 up my phone, mind you, not only from his phone number. 0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:56.719 He It's always from different phone numbers too, so I 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.640 never know where it's going to come from. He'll create 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:04.120 new iCloud accounts to I message me, it's always a 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.160 damnew ICoD account. I'm like, every time I see one 0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:07.800 pop up on my phone, I'm like, here we fucking 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:14.200 go again. Also, will email me and he does this 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:19.360 when he gets his phone taken away. Also, not only me, 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.760 but he'll blow up my mom's phone. Is that normal 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:24.560 behavior to you? 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.960 She also continued, saying that he would message her friends 0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.520 during their relationship and ask them to come over while 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:32.759 she was away to hook up. She then went on 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:36.080 to accuse him of grooming his fans. Let's hear more 0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:36.800 of what she said. 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:41.600 He says that he prays on one direction fans because 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.520 they will always be loyal to him and they won't 0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:46.319 tell on him. So it's like, okay, not only are 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.520 you you and also you weaponize your own fan base. 0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:53.040 Now, following the TikTok video, Maya said that she was 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.520 flooded with messages from women claiming to have similar experiences 0:35:56.520 --> 0:36:00.520 with Lim and coming forward with fresh information. She thanked 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.319 people for their overwhelming support and said she was using 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.360 her voice to hold men accountable. Now, as we touched 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:10.120 on a week before Liam's death, Maya launched legal action 0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:13.759 against him. It's quite interesting because Maya's father is a 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:17.400 very high profile lawyer, and Maya is also planning to 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:21.280 start law school soon. Now, following news of the legal letter, 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:25.719 one dfan started abusing Maya online. One called her a 0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.720 clout chaser and said Liam will always be more famous 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:32.120 than you. Move on, girl, whilst another said unless you 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.760 go to court or have solid proof, girly, I don't 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:38.800 believe you, honestly, whilst another said begging on your knees. 0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:39.360 To be popular. 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:42.280 It's just awful to read those sorts of commentary, particularly 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:46.160 when it's women commenting that to women now. Two days 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:49.480 before Liam's death, The Internet Is Dead podcast aired an 0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:52.480 interview with Maya where she went into detail about the 0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:56.480 abuse she allegedly faced from Liam. It's quite odd because 0:36:56.520 --> 0:37:00.000 The Internet Is Dead podcast is a US space podcast 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:03.600 with a really small following so on Instagram and TikTok. 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.880 They only have around two hundred followers and as hosted 0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.920 by twenty three year old best friends Brittany and Samara, 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:12.520 and they admitted that they were part of the one 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:13.920 D fandom growing up. 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:14.360 Now. 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:17.319 I'm guessing that Maya agreed to go on their podcasts 0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:21.320 due to the fact that larger media outlets were refusing 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:22.680 to publish her claims. 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:24.040 And she really. 0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.360 Thanked the girls for having her on, and she seemed 0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:29.239 really genuinely appreciative to have a space. 0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:29.960 To tell her story. 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:32.680 We've got to remember that while this story about Liam 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.600 Payne is the biggest entertainment story of the year, a 0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:39.880 couple of weeks ago, Liam Payne's fame wasn't huge. Yeah, 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.480 but at the same time, he was still in the 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:46.640 zeitgeist because people were trolling him over his performance at 0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:50.440 Niale's concert. I also didn't like the way that this 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:54.719 podcast refused to use the term allegedly. Well, it is 0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.560 interesting that Maya chose to be on this podcast because 0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:01.719 maybe she thought they're not very educated on media law. 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:05.399 I can get my feelings out there and then they 0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:06.840 will be liable. Yeah. 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:07.279 Well. 0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.760 In the interview, Maya alleged that the abuse started happening 0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:14.440 after they got engaged. During Lockdown Now in what is 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:18.040 a very eerie listen, she spoke about how Lim messaged 0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.719 her mum saying he wasn't going to be around for 0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:21.440 much longer. 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:24.480 He would always play with death and be like, well, 0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:28.840 I'm gonna die. I'm not doing well, and there was 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:30.919 one time I tried to get them help and then 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:35.040 he was like not taking it. He would text my mom, 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.440 I'm not doing well. Have my contact me because I 0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:40.879 wouldn't respond and it's just always the same cycle and 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.080 every time that, Like for example, when I announced my book, 0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:46.000 he did the same thing. He called my mom. 0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.720 I think I'm not going to be around much longer. 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:52.520 The message is telling you that he like he might die. 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:56.479 Like that's like such a low level of manipulation. Yeah, 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.759 I'm so terrifying because it's like you feel so responsible 0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:02.520 for this person, Like if something happens, you're gonna feel 0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:04.720 really guilty about it, even though it's not your fault. 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.479 Like you like are your own person. 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.439 You don't have to take care of this human who 0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:12.719 like has traumatized you. That's like so messed up. 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:13.920 I'm sorry if I'm aious. 0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:15.640 I remember when he first did that. I was like 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:17.799 I would always because I was always like I know 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:21.719 the lifestyle he lives and there isn't where something bad 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.000 is going to happen, So I would always be like, Okay, 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.120 he's saying these things. I have to help him because 0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:28.960 if I don't, I will never be able to live 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:33.600 with myself if something does happen to him, because you know, 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.560 as I said, he's a father, he has a family, 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:39.960 Like I just want to help, and I mean up 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:43.040 even until my book was coming out. Even one of 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:46.799 his friends was calling me and my mom being like, oh, 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:49.920 you know, this isn't a good time for him. I 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.080 don't think you should put the book out. You know, 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:55.960 he's not doing well, and if something happens to him, 0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:58.000 not only are you going to blame yourself, but the 0:39:58.040 --> 0:39:59.200 whole world's going to blame you. 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:02.799 I listened to this full podcast on the day that 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.759 the news broke about Liam's death, and my jaw was 0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:06.320 on the ground. 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:08.680 I couldn't believe what was being said. 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:11.960 And it's really bad because I think that someone should 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:15.400 be able to talk about what happened to them, they 0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.799 should be able to screem it from the rooftops. But 0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.480 in saying that, it's really difficult to listen to the 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:22.880 fact that friends pleaded with her to think about his 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.839 mental health. In hindsight, yes, but in abusive relationships, it 0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:30.560 isn't uncommon for the abuser to use suicide as a 0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:34.439 threat to control people. And there's no way that Maya 0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:37.440 could predict what was actually going to happen. And I'm 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.400 sure it was not her intention for this to happen. 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:42.520 No, And I think what was. 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:45.880 Clear listening to the full podcast is that she really 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:48.680 did care about Liam, because even when they were broken up, 0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:51.120 she tried to get Liam help and encouraged him to 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.920 go to rehab. As soon as the news broke of 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:57.640 Liam's death, Maya's social media accounts were flooded with death 0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.919 threats and one defense holding her response for the death. 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:04.560 One said Liam Payne is dead because of you. Another said, 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:06.480 now he is dead, are you happy? 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:07.600 I just think it's. 0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:09.560 Really troubling that this is a twenty three year old 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.960 woman who has found the bravery to speak out against 0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:16.400 physical and emotional abuse that she allegedly received at the 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.719 hands of someone who is very high profile, and she 0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:22.440 is now being vilified and blamed for his death. I 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:25.480 think it's very clear, since more reports have come out 0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.640 about the situation surrounding Liam's death, that. 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:30.240 This wasn't the only thing on his mind. 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:34.360 It unfortunately is very bad timing and these comments have 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:35.640 not aged well. 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:37.960 No, but it doesn't. 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:40.879 Mean that she is responsible for his actions. I mean, 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:44.759 Liam has been suffering from chronic drug and alcohol problems 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.960 for years. She tried to get him help with these issues, 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.560 and from what she said in the interview, she is 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.759 just scratching the surface of things that he has allegedly 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.160 done to her. And I think in times like this, 0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.440 as a society, we really want someone to blame and 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:02.960 hold respondsible for his death, and no one looks inwards 0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:06.279 at themselves and thinks, well, maybe it was unhelpful to 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.960 troll him over his appearance at Niles concert, or maybe 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:13.360 we shouldn't have been knocking down his door trying to 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:15.840 get photos with him, or giving him space and the 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:16.840 privacy that he needed. 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:18.640 No one wants to blame themselves. They want to blame 0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:19.200 someone else. 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:22.200 Everyone loves to shift the blame. What makes no sense 0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:25.080 to me is that Liam's cause of death has not 0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:29.320 been proven. It is still under investigation. These fans clearly 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:32.080 think that he has taken his own life because of 0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:35.600 what Maya has said, and in order to punish her, 0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:39.120 they're trolling her, so eventually she takes her own life. 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.560 Like it doesn't make any sense. I would literally hate. 0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.040 To know what she's going through at the moment, particularly 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:48.080 because even though it's not her fault, I'm sure that 0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:51.399 she would hold guilt around this. And it doesn't help 0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:54.600 when you have people saying your worst fear, yeah, and 0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:57.440 it's your fault and also she's trying to deal with 0:42:57.520 --> 0:42:59.799 what also has allegedly happened to her at the same 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:04.319 time as navigating sadness around her alleged abus's death. Yeah, 0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:08.520 there's also been another TikToker who's been dragged into this controversy. 0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:11.480 Her name is also Maya Henry and she is an 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:15.520 actress and content creator from Canada. So a number of 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:20.360 media publications have mistakenly used her images in articles confusing 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:23.400 her for Liam's ex fiance, and this has resulted in 0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:25.239 her copying a barrage. 0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:25.880 Of hate and abuse. 0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.239 So her TikTok came up on my newsfeed and I 0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:29.799 just assumed it was her and she was like, it 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.239 was not on my bingo card to be blamed for 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.840 the death of Liam Payne, And I was like, oh wow, 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:37.799 has Maya Henry actually came out and spoken about this? 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:41.120 And then I was so confused because that was her 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:43.879 name as well, and she looked a lot like her now. 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:47.040 Sheryl Cole, who was Liam's former partner and the mother 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:51.120 to his childbare released a very heart wrenching statement reminding 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:54.000 the world that we have lost a human being now. 0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:57.640 She expressed her disappointment at the media coverage, labeling it 0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:02.280 abhorrent and describing the reporting as media exploitation. She also 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.520 described Liam's death as an earth shattering event and said 0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:08.120 Liam was not only a pop star and a celebrity. 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:11.520 He was a son, a brother, an uncle, a dear friend, 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:14.120 and a father to our seven year old son, a 0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:16.439 son that now has to face the reality of never 0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:19.320 seeing his father again. It is breaking my heart further 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:22.200 that I cannot protect him from that in his future. 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.080 Please give Liam the dignity he has left in the 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:27.960 wake of his death to rest in some peace at last. 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:31.840 That is just so sad to listen to the fact 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:34.080 that Liam has a seven year old son who was 0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.759 trying to navigate this situation as well. And then you've 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:40.840 got photos of your father's dead body being circulated around Twitter. 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.839 It is so sad that potentially, one day Bear could 0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.240 see those photos. I really hope that they are completely 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.920 wipe from the Internet. What also made me very sad 0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:54.520 was reading the tributes that Liam's former bandmates left for him. 0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:57.560 So Zayne wrote, even though you were younger than me, 0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:00.319 you were always more sensible than me. Your head strong, 0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.359 opinionated and gave no fucks telling people when they were wrong. 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:06.080 Even though we butted heads because of this a few times, 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:09.480 I always secretly respected you for it. It's important to 0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:12.359 point out that he included a laughing face emoji in there. 0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:13.480 I think to point out. 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.799 That their fights were lighthearted because they have been so 0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:19.160 pumped up in the media. Zaane has also postponed the 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:21.759 US leg of his tour as he grieves, which it 0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:25.040 just shows how impactful this death has been. I found 0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:27.920 it really hard to read Lewis's statement as well, because 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:31.200 he recently has lost his mum and sister, so this 0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:34.560 is another big loss for him. So he opened up 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:37.400 that he had lost a brother in Liam and described 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.239 him as the most vital part of One Direction. He 0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:43.000 also said he was grateful that they'd become even closer 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:45.400 since the band split up, and would speak on the 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:48.480 phone with Liam for hours, reminiscing about their thousands of 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.400 amazing memories. He also vowed to be there for Bear 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:54.320 and tell him how amazing his dad was. I feel 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:57.440 like Harry Styles was probably the most put together and 0:45:57.600 --> 0:45:59.799 professional media release I fromly had. 0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:00.879 Helped from his media team. 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.920 So he wrote that he was devastated by Liam's passing 0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:05.960 and that the years he spent with Liam and One 0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:08.719 Direction will be the most cherished years. 0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:09.560 Of his life. Now. 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:11.879 Niall put out his statement last, and I think it's 0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:15.560 because he was probably most impacted by it because he 0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:18.600 only recently saw Liam, and he said he feels so 0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:21.640 fortunate to have seen him at his concert, and he 0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:24.600 never would have realized that after saying goodbye and hugging 0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:27.040 him that night, it would be the last goodbye for ever. 0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:29.440 Oh it's just so sad. 0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:32.600 I really feel for Nihile in this situation, because there 0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:34.880 must be a part of him that blames himself that 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:37.000 he had a concert there and you know those sliding 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:39.279 door moments. Now, I do want to talk about the 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:43.040 reaction from the fans after Liam's death because I find 0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:47.080 it so interesting. So when the news broke, One Direction 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:51.640 fans literally returned to the fandom to seek comfort and support. 0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:54.360 So a lot of inactive fan accounts and group chats 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:57.720 that were once frozen in time suddenly began buzzing again. 0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:00.719 And I think that's because of the complexity that surrounds 0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:01.920 Liam's legacy. 0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:04.560 So the fandom has been. 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:08.360 A safe space for directioners to share their grief without 0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:12.280 any judgment. And I think that that's because they feel 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:16.000 like directioners are the only ones who truly understand what 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:18.799 they're going through and there's not going to be any judgment. Yeah, 0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:21.120 particularly TikTok is a rough place at the moment if 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:24.080 you are a one Direction fan. So I am glad 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:27.200 that they do have this safe place to mourn. As 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:29.000 we touched on at the start of the episode, we 0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:31.000 were One Direction fans but not a part of the 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:34.400 fandom itself. But I think we have been in a 0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:36.280 sense part of a fandom before. 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.920 So I think the big one for us was the 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:39.880 Dean Guya forum. 0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:44.360 Yeah, it's wild to think how popular forums were in. 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:46.719 Was it what one? Was it like twenty I think 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:47.279 two thousand and. 0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:50.720 Six, Yeah, so because we didn't I don't think Twitter 0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:53.600 was around then. So it was really forums that you 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:55.920 would go on and you would make friends with these 0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:59.439 people that also liked the celebrity that you were interested in. 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:03.040 And there's such a hierarchy when it comes to these fandoms, 0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:07.080 Like I remember on the Dean Guy forum, people's avatars 0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:09.600 would really give you an idea of what you thought 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:11.480 they were like, Like if they had a really nice 0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:14.279 avatar with nice pictures of Dean Guy, you kind of 0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:17.000 though of them in a different way. And on these forums, 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.880 I have to say that the majority of people always 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:23.440 have a distaste for the girlfriend or whoever the girlfriend is, 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:25.839 even if they're the nicest person on the planet, there's 0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:28.960 a lot of jealousy surrounding it. Yeah, And in saying that, 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:31.560 I do think the friendships that are formed in these 0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:34.480 sorts of communities are very genuine, because while you get 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:38.839 together to talk about maybe album releases or award show performances, 0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:42.440 there's also personal chats going on and people sharing their 0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:45.399 own life milestones in the general. 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:46.680 Chat on those types of forums. 0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:49.920 So while the relationship with the band was a parasocial 0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:52.600 one for Directioners, the friendships within that. 0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:54.320 Community were very real. 0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:57.279 And this community of fans I think was one of 0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:01.000 the most significant things to come from one Directtiontion's existence 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:05.960 and their directions were really the originators of modern stan Twitter. 0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:08.880 So they use the platform to communicate with the boys 0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:11.680 and fans as well as get the band trending online. 0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:13.920 They set the tone for a lot of other big 0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:17.240 fan groups. I noticed a lot of Directioners were saying 0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:21.239 that Liam's passing very much reminded them of the day 0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:23.800 when Zain announced he was leaving the band. And I 0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:26.760 think it's because there's this real finalness to it, because 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:28.640 there have been rumors for. 0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:31.799 Months that One Direction was going to reform and. 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:34.239 We were going to have a reunion, we were going 0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:37.000 to get new shows, new concerts, and I think that 0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:40.120 there's a real feeling and knowledge that probably is not 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:43.319 going to happen, particularly because Liam sang a lot of 0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:46.280 the songs. Well, people want a reunion of all five members, 0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:48.680 they don't want to of just the four. And I 0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:51.000 think it was the nature of the way the boys 0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:53.839 actually went on a hiatus, so it was described as 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:57.920 an indefinite hiatus in twenty fifteen, and as you said, Sophie, 0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:00.680 there were recently murmurs of this reun so a lot 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:04.480 of fans were getting excited about it. So one Rolling 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.920 Stone writer and One Direction fan, Larissa Paul, wrote, the 0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:10.120 version of One Direction that we have all held on 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:13.200 to hasn't existed for quite some time. It lives forever 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:15.600 only in the sense that it lives within all of us, 0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:19.239 but the reality of their true impermanence has left us 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:21.520 with even more ghost to grieve in the wake of 0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:24.439 Liam's death, and I think that sums it up really well. Yeah, 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:26.879 it's crazy to think that it's been eight years since 0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:29.880 the band broke up, and it just feels like so 0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:33.440 many famous bands recently have returned to perform on stage 0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:37.160 together because at the moment, we're experiencing this real nostalgia 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:42.400 and we're seeing these huge performers coming back, and Oasis. 0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:43.280 You never expect that they would return. 0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:46.760 So I just think that everyone is not only grieving Liam, 0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:49.160 but they're also grieving the fact that One Direction is 0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:51.919 never going to come back together and never be complete. Yeah, 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.520 and a lot of directioners are looking at the music 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:57.320 for signs. So at the end of the band's last 0:50:57.360 --> 0:51:01.200 single History, the boys eerily seeing so don't let me go. 0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:02.320 We can live forever. 0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:05.719 I have been listening to One Direction NonStop in the 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:09.480 car and it's bringing me sadness. 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:10.400 But also a lot of joy. 0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:12.400 See, I haven't been able to listen to it, but 0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:14.279 I've got it in my head, probably from a lot 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:17.120 of the tiktoks that haven't playing in the background. It 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:19.920 is just so heartbreaking. It does feel like a piece 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:22.280 of your childhood is dying. I mean, we were probably 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:24.920 twenty five, at the peak of their popularity, but I 0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:27.920 do fondly remember their concert and I'm always someone that 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.760 buys into that hype around celebrities, and for many young fans, 0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:34.720 it's the first celebrity that they have loved that has died, 0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:37.480 or even the first person that they know, be it 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:41.320 from a parasocial relationship that has passed away. You really 0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:45.239 do grieve these relationships. And a lot of people have 0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:48.160 compared the death to that of John Lennon from the Beatles, 0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:51.080 and when you love a band or a musician, you 0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:55.160 really do attach your own life experiences to their music, 0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:58.880 and a lot of people are probably thinking, well, now 0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:02.680 that they're gone, it feels like those experiences are over 0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:04.719 to A lot of people were saying I should be 0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.360 experiencing this when I mean my fifties and sixties, not 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:10.200 when I'm in my twenties. I'm actually feeling more sad 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:13.360 than I did when we started, because it's really sad 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:17.960 to rehash all of the complexities of this death. At 0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:20.360 the end of the day, Liam was a real person 0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:23.319 who has a son, who has a family, I mean 0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:26.680 seeing his dad going to his hotel. I recently read 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.720 the message that his sister wrote to him on Instagram. 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:32.920 He was a young boy that was plucked from obscurity 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:36.040 at seventeen, and it's hard not to consider that if 0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:38.560 he hadn't been a part of One Direction, would he 0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:41.080 have lost his life at such a young age. I mean, 0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:43.120 everyone always says that they want to grow up famous 0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:45.799 and rich, but he literally had it all but had 0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:48.680 nothing at the same time, fame really impacted him. I 0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:51.600 saw an interview he did and he was talking about 0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:53.719 how it scared him so much that his son Bear 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:54.399 said that he. 0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:56.360 Wanted to perform on stage with him and be famous. 0:52:56.360 --> 0:52:59.720 Because for Liam that would be his absolute worst nightmare 0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:03.520 because the fame really damaged him. And what is also 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:05.680 so sad is that there is just so much guilt 0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:07.759 being felt by so many people. I think that his 0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:11.479 family would feel guilt for getting him into something so young, 0:53:11.560 --> 0:53:13.480 and all I could think about was his mum. In 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.680 the movie, she bought a cardboard cutout of Liam and 0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:19.240 put him in her room because she said she missed 0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:22.759 having him at home. So it's not only grief that 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.160 the family of feeling now that he's gone, but all 0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:27.200 of those years that they missed out on having their 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:29.239 boy at home. It's going to be really interesting to 0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:32.680 see what happens in the next few weeks when the 0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:36.440 cause of Liam's death is confirmed, and whether there is 0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:39.600 more investigations done into the way that the hotel staff 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:43.719 acted during his stay. We also are going to potentially 0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:46.319 see a public funeral play out, and I've seen so 0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:49.400 many people saying that it is just so depressing that 0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:51.160 the last time all of the boys are going to 0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:53.640 be in the same room together is at Liam's funeral, 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:55.640 and it's not the reunion everyone thought we were going 0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:57.920 to get. That is a really tough note to end 0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:02.080 things on now. If anyone is ruggling, Lifeline are available. 0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:05.880 Their number is thirteen eleven fourteen. 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