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Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode, we want to issue

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Speaker 1: a trigger warning. We touch on themes around suicide and

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Speaker 1: drug use. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose

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Speaker 1: of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sophie Torbah, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Amy Shauber, and I'm Kate Torba.

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Speaker 1: It is so exciting to finally be back after maternity leave.

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Speaker 2: It's been eighteen weeks.

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Speaker 1: It's good to have you back, and it feels very

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Speaker 1: nostalgic because we have decided to move back to the

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Speaker 1: original OG room, which we recorded in before you went

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Speaker 1: on maternity leave. Yeah, you guys were all over the place.

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Speaker 1: I used to watch the videos on Instagram and be like,

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Speaker 1: what room are they recording in? At the moment, it

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Speaker 1: is weird to be back. I didn't think I would

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Speaker 1: be away for so long because I had this vision

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Speaker 1: in my head that it would be really easy to

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Speaker 1: bring a newborn baby around with me to recordings and stuff,

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Speaker 1: and I quickly learned that no, it wasn't. And I

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Speaker 1: definitely don't think that you expected this to be the

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Speaker 1: episode to be returning on because news broke last week

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Speaker 1: of the sudden passing of former One Direction singer Liam Payne.

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Speaker 1: We quickly decided that we wanted to investigate this very

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Speaker 1: laid and devastating story. We would consider ourselves One Direction fans.

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Speaker 1: We went to their concert in Adelaide. It was incredible,

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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say we were part of the fandom.

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Speaker 1: We didn't have Twitter accounts, so I think we were

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Speaker 1: too old to be part of the fandom. I definitely

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Speaker 1: think if I was a teenager at the time, I

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Speaker 1: could see myself getting involved very heavily on all of

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Speaker 1: the Twitter action and also even taking part in writing

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Speaker 1: the different fiction book.

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Speaker 2: You would not have written fan fiction, surely.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean I love writing.

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Speaker 1: As a teenager, I could see myself, particularly if I

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Speaker 1: I think that's why there are so many complex feelings

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Speaker 1: around Liam's death, because for so many people he represented

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Speaker 1: such a magical part of their teenage years. But some

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Speaker 1: people just can't move past the recent allegations made by

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Speaker 1: his ex fiance, Maya Henry. Yeah, because a week before

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Speaker 1: the fatal fall issued Liam with a cease and desist letter,

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Speaker 1: and she also appeared on a podcast detailing the alleged

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Speaker 1: abuse that she suffered at the.

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Speaker 2: Hands of Liam.

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Speaker 1: We are going to be touching on that later in

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Speaker 1: today's episode. But I think that this just adds to

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Speaker 1: the complexity around fans feelings. You kind of don't know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Is a very divisive place at the best of times,

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Speaker 1: but particularly for one direction fans at the moment, because

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys, but my for you

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Speaker 1: page has just been all about Liam. I'm having his girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: Kate Cassidy's TikTok's popping up everywhere right look, and there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of one direction fans sharing their grief

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Speaker 1: and how they're mourning. And the comment section is just

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Speaker 1: so brutal because there are the people that are saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's a horrible person because of these allegations, and then

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Speaker 1: there are other people who are idolizing him even more

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Speaker 1: now that he's past. And this story has been moving

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Speaker 1: so quickly over the weekend, and with the way that

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Speaker 1: full picture. There's been in so much speculation and a

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Speaker 1: death in a very nuanced way.

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Speaker 2: So let's get into it from the start.

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Speaker 1: So, as we know, on October sixteenth, Liam Payne tragically

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Speaker 1: balcony in Buenos Aires. Now, in the hours prior to

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Speaker 1: An American guest spoke to the media about his encounter

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Speaker 3: We had multiple encounters with Liam. Multiple times had come

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Speaker 3: down to the lobby, was causing a servance, got being

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Speaker 1: Now, as you heard there, hotel staff physically escorted Liam

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Speaker 1: In audio obtained by the media, the hotel worker told

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Speaker 1: police when he is conscious, he is destroying the entire

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Speaker 1: that the guest life was at risk because his room

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Speaker 1: This is just so horrifying and what does not sit

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Speaker 1: Liam's fame had something to do with the way they

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Speaker 2: What adds an.

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Speaker 1: Extra layer to this situation is that at the height

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Speaker 1: Liam said it left him feeling lonely and trapped.

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Speaker 2: Let's have a listened to what he said.

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Speaker 4: My dad said it from day one. Lonely hotel rooms

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Speaker 4: man getting locked in that room is not fun. The

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Speaker 4: at a certain point I thought, well, I'm going to

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Speaker 4: you look back, how long you've been drinking and stuff

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Speaker 4: But it was like the only way you could get

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Speaker 1: It's interesting that it was easier for them to just

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Speaker 1: and it's fascinating that they were in a hotel room

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Speaker 2: Can break out. Well, there are a lot of fights.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've learned about how the boys didn't really all

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Speaker 1: in an environment that's not normal. There have been a

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Speaker 1: One of them that I keep thinking about is in

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Speaker 5: We then got really dan and started having a bit

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Speaker 5: His tourmenters were like locked in his bathroom and I

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Speaker 7: Like the cat burglar. I would climb everything.

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Speaker 1: With this in mind, it's really not surprising that in

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Speaker 2: So once he was locked away.

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Speaker 1: In his room, the theory was that he attempted to

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Speaker 2: Because his body was.

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Speaker 1: Found very close to the swimming pool. I think this

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Speaker 1: theory arose because a lot of one direction fans are grappling,

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Speaker 1: don't want to consider that potentially it could have been suicide,

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Speaker 1: so they're thinking, well.

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Speaker 2: Here's a fun guy. Maybe he was just jumping into

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Speaker 1: I think we need to get into what he was

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Speaker 1: Liam posted a snapchat saying he was attending the concert

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Speaker 1: Since Liam's death, Kate Cassidy has had an influx of followers.

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Speaker 1: The couple have been spending time between London and Florida,

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Speaker 1: Apparently, Kate ended up booking herself a ticket home because

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Speaker 1: However, I don't understand why the photos ever had to

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Speaker 1: and it's not the first time TMZ has actually done

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Speaker 1: when he fell from the balcony due to the position

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00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: in which his body was found and also the fact

442
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 1: that he had no signs of defensive wounds on his hands. Yeah,

443
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 1: because when you fall, you have this automatic reflex action,

444
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 1: so your brain will basically tell your hands and arms

445
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,959
Speaker 1: to reach out to try and break your full and

446
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 1: in this case, the autopsy results show that he did

447
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 1: not adopt a reflex posture to protect himself, and the

448
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: report also noted that there were no signs of a

449
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 1: fight and confirmed that Liam was alone in his hotel

450
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: room at the time of his fall. There is heartbreaking

451
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,959
Speaker 1: vision doing the rounds on media and social media at

452
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: the moment of Liam's father, Jeff, visiting the hotel room.

453
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: My heart dropped when I saw it because there's this

454
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 1: shot of him leaning against the balcony rail to see

455
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 1: how Liam could have fallen like trying to work out

456
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: was it an accident. Yeah, And in the video he

457
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 1: tries to fall from backwards as well as forwards. And

458
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 1: again these are images that we shouldn't have access to,

459
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: but again the ones that you just can't look away from.

460
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

461
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: Well, back to the autopsy. While the report said the

462
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 1: injuries were enough to cause Liam's death, prosecutors are describing

463
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: the case as suspicious and the exact cause of death

464
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 1: is still under investigation. So at the time this was

465
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: because of the likelihood that Liam had been drinking alcohol

466
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: and taking drugs that day. Now the prosecutor's office requested

467
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 1: additional exams, including a toxicology report, and over the weekend

468
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: police told TMZ that they believed Liam was under the

469
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: influence of crystal, which is a drug known to cause

470
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: psychotic attacks and hallucinations. It's also known to make people

471
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: very aggressive. It's very unusual in Australia for police to

472
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: give direct quotes like that to the media outlets, particularly TMZ,

473
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: but in Argentinea this is not clearly the case. It

474
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: does really paint a new idea of what went on.

475
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 1: So it sounds like Liam may have been under the

476
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: influence and been hallucinating, which caused him to then jump,

477
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: maybe thinking he was jumping into the pool or jumping

478
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: into something, or to just fall.

479
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 2: From the bawconnected. I didn't know what he was doing.

480
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: Now, in new claims, it's being reported that investigators believe

481
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: a hotel employee may have sourced the drugs for Liam

482
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: before his fall.

483
00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: Now, in another.

484
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: Invasion of Liam's privacy, the media were quick to publish

485
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: images inside his hotel room. So the photo showed a

486
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: smashed up TV, a half empty wine glass, white powder

487
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: all over the suite, as well as foil which was

488
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: scattered throughout the hotel room. There was also a dove

489
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: soap box packet and the remains of a burnt top

490
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: of a drink can which was scattered also across the room.

491
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Speaker 1: For someone who does not do drugs, I was like,

492
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: what is the significance of the soap and also of

493
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: the our foil? Well in terms of the soap, A

494
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: theory on TikTok is that maybe a hotel worker transported

495
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: the drugs in the dove soap box.

496
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, disguise it now.

497
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: The drug klnazepan was also found in Liam's sweet which

498
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: is often used to control epilepsy, involuntary spasms and also

499
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: panic disorders. Now, disturbingly, these images were believed to have

500
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: been released by authorities and again this would never happen

501
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: in Australia or the US, but apparently it is common

502
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: practice in Argentina because they don't up hold the same

503
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: standards to privacy as other countries do. Liam has been

504
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: very open with his fans and also the media about

505
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: his struggles with addiction, anxiety, and also suicidal thoughts. During

506
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: an interview in twenty nineteen, Liam admitted that he was

507
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: still lucky to be here and it's something he said

508
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: he had never spoken about with people before. Liam has

509
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: been open about his journey with alcohol as well, so

510
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: he initially started drinking to help him deal with processing

511
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: the fame from one direction, and he said, it's almost

512
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: like putting the Disney costume on before you step up

513
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: on stage, and underneath the Disney costume, I was pissed

514
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 1: quite a lot of the time because there was no

515
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: other way to get your head around what was going on.

516
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it was fun. We had an absolute blast,

517
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: but there were certain parts of it where it just

518
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: got a little bit toxic In July last year, he

519
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: also shared a video to YouTube revealing he had a

520
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: one hundred day stint in rehab. Let's have a listen

521
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: to what he said.

522
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 7: I just ad a little bit of time out. I was

523
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 7: just sorry for the mia. It was a few reasons

524
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 7: why I did that. Whed to take a little bit

525
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 7: of time out for myself actual because I kind of

526
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 7: became somebody who I didn't really recognize anymore, and I'm

527
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 7: sure you guys didn't either. I was so angry at

528
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 7: what was going on around me, and instead of taking

529
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 7: a look inwards, I decided to look outwards to everybody else.

530
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 7: And I just think, yeah, I just took it out

531
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 7: on everybody else, which is just wrong really, and my

532
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 7: own frustrations with my own career and where I kind

533
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 7: of London, I shot everybody else, which is wrong. So

534
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 7: obviously I want to apologize for that in the first instance, because.

535
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: That's definitely not me.

536
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, this Stinton rehab was not his last, so according

537
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: to the Sun newspapers, Liam actually entered a rehab facility

538
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: in late July this year for drug and alcohol addiction.

539
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: Now he was doing a twenty eight day addiction therapy program,

540
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: but left after forty eight hours. Now back to the hotel,

541
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: Casa Sir, because there have been a lot of claim

542
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: circulating TikTok, the hotel staff gave Liam the illegal substances

543
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: which were found in his room. Now, this was first

544
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: released on TikTok by Kimberly Clementine, and she shared a

545
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: leaked voice note which was allegedly from another hotel worker.

546
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: She ended up translated it to her followers because it

547
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: was in Spanish. Now, the alleged hotel worker said that

548
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: Liam was in the hotel for a week and was

549
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: a substance user, an alcoholic, and a jerk who was

550
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: very sick. He went on to allege that Liam was

551
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: demanding that the hotel reps give him substances and one

552
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: ended up.

553
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: Delivering the goods.

554
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: The audio then went onto allege that hotel staff tried

555
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: to kick Liam out, but they couldn't when they discovered

556
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: that their worker was the one who supplied him with

557
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: the drugs. If this is true, it does make more

558
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: sense as to why the hotel didn't want to call

559
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: the police immediately when Liam seemed off. Yeah, they could

560
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: have allegedly been trying to cover their tracks, and it

561
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: seems like now that there is a deeper investigation into

562
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: these issues, that the hotel could potentially be held responsible

563
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: for part of this. Yeah, And in the audio, the

564
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: hotel worker also alleged that Liam had two sex workers

565
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: in his hotel room just hours before his death, which

566
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: we did touch on earlier. So when police released Liam's autopsy,

567
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: they confirmed they speaking to three hotel staff and two

568
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: women who visited Liam's room before his death. Now it's

569
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: important to note that it's being confirmed both women had

570
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: already left the hotel when the incident occurred. Yeah, and

571
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: media are now reporting that Liam was seen arguing with

572
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: a woman about money in.

573
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: The lobby just hours before he fell.

574
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: It is believed to be one of these sex workers,

575
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: and a witness claimed to have heard Liam say to

576
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: the woman, I'll give you twenty thousand dollars just because

577
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: I can. I have fifty five million and I like

578
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: to help people. Now, this situation was described by the

579
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: witness as being very tense, and a hotel staff member

580
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: was there helping to translate the conversation to Liam because

581
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: the woman spoke Spanish. With all this information coming out

582
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: about the sex workers, I do really feel for Kate

583
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: Cassidy as well as Liam's family. There is some information

584
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: that you don't want to know about a family member

585
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: and also your boyfriend Donna. Yeah, it's be so difficult

586
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: to grapple with perhaps feeling guilt over his death, not

587
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: that she is responsible in any means, but you would

588
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: feel bad that you had left to go back home

589
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: and you weren't there when it happened. But then there's

590
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: this new layer of feeling angry towards that person because

591
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: they potentially have cheated on you.

592
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

593
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: Now, since the news of Liam's death broke, fans and

594
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: the media have been digging into the past and trying

595
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: to understand what has happened in the days leading up

596
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: to his death. So among their discoveries is the fact

597
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: that Liam's ex fiance, Maya Henry, launched legal action against

598
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: Liam a few weeks before his death. So the twenty

599
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: three year old had issued a ceased and desist letter

600
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: against Liam, saying he had repeatedly been contacting her, her

601
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: friends and family. A spokesperson for Maya said that they

602
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: issued the cease and desist following the emergence of new

603
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: and concerning information with so many One Direction fans destraw

604
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: and at a loss to make sense.

605
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: Of this tragedy.

606
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: They are looking for someone to blame, and that person

607
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: appears to be Maya.

608
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: Now.

609
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: Maya first met Liam at a meet and greet when

610
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: she was just fifteen years old. So a friend had

611
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: dragged her along to a One Direction concert, and she

612
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: said she instantly fell in love with the band. So

613
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: among a thousand other screaming fans, Maya met the band

614
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: members and snapped a quick photo with the boys. Now,

615
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: that same year, Maya gained public attention of her own

616
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: when her father threw her a six million dollar fifteenth

617
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: birthday party, which featured performances by Pitbull and also Nick Jonas. Now,

618
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: this event catapulted her into the spotlight, and she started

619
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: to build a following on Instagram and also pick up

620
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: some modeling opportunities. And it wasn't until she was eighteen

621
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: when she crossed paths with Liam again because she was

622
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: modeling in a fashion show and Liam was also performing

623
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: at one of the parties there. Now, they were only

624
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: together for three months until Liam popped the question, and

625
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: during their time together, a lot was made of the

626
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: fact that Maya was previously a fan, because a lot

627
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: of fans were jealous of her because she was.

628
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: Living out their dream now.

629
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: They were very on and off again until in twenty

630
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: twenty two when they fisially parted ways and ended their engagement.

631
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: And it was in May this year that Maya released

632
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: a fiction book called Looking Forward, which was a play

633
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: on the name One Direction. And whilst the book is fiction,

634
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: it is said to be inspired by true events. So

635
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: the novel follows the story of Mallory, an aspiring model

636
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: who falls in love with Oliver, a former boy band member. Ironically,

637
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: Maya says it was actually Liam who encouraged her to

638
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: write the book. So when they were together, they went

639
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: to the theater to see The After Movie, which is

640
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: pretty wild because the movie is an adaptation of Anna

641
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: Todd's fan fiction book about Harry Styles and the rest

642
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: of the One Direction crew, and after the movie, Liam

643
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: said to Maya, you should write a book about our relationship.

644
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: Fans would love to read a book about a fan

645
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: getting to date one of the band members. So Maya

646
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: had actually written a couple of children's books before and

647
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: thought that this was a really good idea, and at

648
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: the time, I'm sure Liam thought that this was going

649
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: to be a very glowing review of their relationship. Now,

650
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: in the novel, Oliver's character transforms from a clean cut,

651
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: pop start into an unpredictable addict with a volatile temper.

652
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: And in the book, Maya speaks about the abuse that

653
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: Mallory faced at the hands of Oliver. Now the story

654
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: speaks in detail about Oliver's drug and alcohol addiction, and

655
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: in one section, Maya writes about Oliver chasing Mallory with

656
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: an axe. Maya has later confirmed that this incident took

657
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: place in real life. Let's read out the excerpt. Suddenly

658
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: I see Oliver grab something that's next to his bed,

659
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: an axe. He is playfully swinging it around. He starts

660
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: hitting the bed next to me with the axe, hitting

661
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: to one side of me, then the other side. I

662
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: am sitting in the middle watching him hit the bed

663
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: whack whack, laughing as if he is playing.

664
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: I try to laugh it off.

665
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: Next thing I know, he is ferociously whacking the white

666
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: duvet with this crazed, insane look again. I freak out

667
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: and start running to the guest room down the hall.

668
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: Oliver is chasing me with the axe. I scream and

669
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: Oliver freezes with the axe in the air. I am

670
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: screaming some more. I back away and run down the hallway.

671
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: I am begging him to stop. Then I'm yelling some more.

672
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: I just know my throat is going to be raw tomorrow.

673
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: He doesn't seem to hear me or anything else. He

674
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: is in a frenzy, heaving the axe, then shouting to himself,

675
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: stomping down the hall a few steps yelling. I beg

676
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: him to stop. He doesn't take any notice. I yell

677
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: loud it, desperate and so afraid, not for what he

678
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: might do to me, even more for what he could

679
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: do to himself. He is so sloppy and out of control.

680
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: Just one stumble and he could accidentally cut his own fingers,

681
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: or worse, just one bad aim and dot dot. Then

682
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: it happens that one bad aim. Lifting the axe again,

683
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: he plunges it into the TV. My feet hit the

684
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: cold marble floor. As I try to escape, I lock

685
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: myself in the guests bathroom. My back slides down the door,

686
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: and I'm screaming in tears. Not only am I scared,

687
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm wondering how the hell I got here?

688
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: Is this real?

689
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: Wow? That is really hard to listen to. We do

690
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: want to reiterate that these are unconfirmed allegations.

691
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: What I find really eerie is the mention of the TV.

692
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: After seeing photos of his TV destroyed in the hotel room,

693
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: I did think of that as well. Now. In another

694
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: section of Maya's book, she writes that Oliver sent Mallory's

695
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: mother an unsolicited dick pit, and in the book, Maya

696
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: also wrote about the main character undergoing a painful abortion

697
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: that Oliver insisted she had otherwise he would leave her.

698
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 6: Now.

699
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: Speaking to People magazine in may Maya said, what I

700
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: went through in real life is very similar to what

701
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: Mallory went through in the book. I definitely did have

702
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: complications and did have to go to the hospital alone.

703
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: She continued, saying, if it were up to me, I

704
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had it done. But then also if I

705
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: were to have made a different decision, than I would

706
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: have lost the person that I loved now. In the

707
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: lead up to Maya's book release, she gave interviews to

708
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: high profile media outlets about the book and also Liam's

709
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: alleged abuse, but they have all refused to run the

710
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: story due to the fear of being sued. And I'm

711
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: also guessing due to Liam's star power. Now, it wasn't

712
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: until Maya posted a TikTok video on the tenth of

713
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: October that people started to take notice. Ironically, Maya posted

714
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: a video revealing that it was in fact Zay who

715
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: threw Liam up against a wall during their one D days. Yeah,

716
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: there had been a lot of speculation about this since

717
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: Liam appeared on Logan Pol's podcast and he said that

718
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: things got physical between him and an unnamed band member. Now,

719
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: this video attracted over three million views, with some one

720
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: D fans attacking Maya for talking about Lim and saying

721
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: that she should get his name.

722
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: Out of her mouth.

723
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: Here's how Maya responded, y'all.

724
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 9: Don't even know what happens behind closed doors. Are in private.

725
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 9: Ever since we broke up, he messages me, will blow

726
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 9: up my phone, mind you, not only from his phone number.

727
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 9: He It's always from different phone numbers too, so I

728
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 9: never know where it's going to come from. He'll create

729
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 9: new iCloud accounts to I message me, it's always a

730
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 9: damnew ICoD account. I'm like, every time I see one

731
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 9: pop up on my phone, I'm like, here we fucking

732
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 9: go again. Also, will email me and he does this

733
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 9: when he gets his phone taken away. Also, not only me,

734
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 9: but he'll blow up my mom's phone. Is that normal

735
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 9: behavior to you?

736
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: She also continued, saying that he would message her friends

737
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: during their relationship and ask them to come over while

738
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: she was away to hook up. She then went on

739
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: to accuse him of grooming his fans. Let's hear more

740
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: of what she said.

741
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 9: He says that he prays on one direction fans because

742
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 9: they will always be loyal to him and they won't

743
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 9: tell on him. So it's like, okay, not only are

744
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 9: you you and also you weaponize your own fan base.

745
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Now, following the TikTok video, Maya said that she was

746
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: flooded with messages from women claiming to have similar experiences

747
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: with Lim and coming forward with fresh information. She thanked

748
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: people for their overwhelming support and said she was using

749
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: her voice to hold men accountable. Now, as we touched

750
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: on a week before Liam's death, Maya launched legal action

751
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: against him. It's quite interesting because Maya's father is a

752
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: very high profile lawyer, and Maya is also planning to

753
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: start law school soon. Now, following news of the legal letter,

754
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: one dfan started abusing Maya online. One called her a

755
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: clout chaser and said Liam will always be more famous

756
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: than you. Move on, girl, whilst another said unless you

757
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: go to court or have solid proof, girly, I don't

758
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: believe you, honestly, whilst another said begging on your knees.

759
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: To be popular.

760
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: It's just awful to read those sorts of commentary, particularly

761
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: when it's women commenting that to women now. Two days

762
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: before Liam's death, The Internet Is Dead podcast aired an

763
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: interview with Maya where she went into detail about the

764
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: abuse she allegedly faced from Liam. It's quite odd because

765
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: The Internet Is Dead podcast is a US space podcast

766
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: with a really small following so on Instagram and TikTok.

767
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: They only have around two hundred followers and as hosted

768
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: by twenty three year old best friends Brittany and Samara,

769
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: and they admitted that they were part of the one

770
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: D fandom growing up.

771
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 3: Now.

772
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that Maya agreed to go on their podcasts

773
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: due to the fact that larger media outlets were refusing

774
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: to publish her claims.

775
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: And she really.

776
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: Thanked the girls for having her on, and she seemed

777
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: really genuinely appreciative to have a space.

778
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: To tell her story.

779
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: We've got to remember that while this story about Liam

780
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: Payne is the biggest entertainment story of the year, a

781
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, Liam Payne's fame wasn't huge. Yeah,

782
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: but at the same time, he was still in the

783
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: zeitgeist because people were trolling him over his performance at

784
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: Niale's concert. I also didn't like the way that this

785
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: podcast refused to use the term allegedly. Well, it is

786
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: interesting that Maya chose to be on this podcast because

787
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: maybe she thought they're not very educated on media law.

788
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: I can get my feelings out there and then they

789
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: will be liable. Yeah.

790
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 6: Well.

791
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: In the interview, Maya alleged that the abuse started happening

792
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: after they got engaged. During Lockdown Now in what is

793
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: a very eerie listen, she spoke about how Lim messaged

794
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: her mum saying he wasn't going to be around for

795
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: much longer.

796
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 9: He would always play with death and be like, well,

797
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 9: I'm gonna die. I'm not doing well, and there was

798
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 9: one time I tried to get them help and then

799
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 9: he was like not taking it. He would text my mom,

800
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 9: I'm not doing well. Have my contact me because I

801
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 9: wouldn't respond and it's just always the same cycle and

802
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 9: every time that, Like for example, when I announced my book,

803
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 9: he did the same thing. He called my mom.

804
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 2: I think I'm not going to be around much longer.

805
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 6: The message is telling you that he like he might die.

806
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,479
Speaker 6: Like that's like such a low level of manipulation. Yeah,

807
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 6: I'm so terrifying because it's like you feel so responsible

808
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 6: for this person, Like if something happens, you're gonna feel

809
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 6: really guilty about it, even though it's not your fault.

810
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 2: Like you like are your own person.

811
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 6: You don't have to take care of this human who

812
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 6: like has traumatized you. That's like so messed up.

813
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: I'm sorry if I'm aious.

814
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 9: I remember when he first did that. I was like

815
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 9: I would always because I was always like I know

816
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 9: the lifestyle he lives and there isn't where something bad

817
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 9: is going to happen, So I would always be like, Okay,

818
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 9: he's saying these things. I have to help him because

819
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 9: if I don't, I will never be able to live

820
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 9: with myself if something does happen to him, because you know,

821
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 9: as I said, he's a father, he has a family,

822
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 9: Like I just want to help, and I mean up

823
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 9: even until my book was coming out. Even one of

824
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 9: his friends was calling me and my mom being like, oh,

825
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 9: you know, this isn't a good time for him. I

826
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 9: don't think you should put the book out. You know,

827
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 9: he's not doing well, and if something happens to him,

828
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 9: not only are you going to blame yourself, but the

829
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 9: whole world's going to blame you.

830
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: I listened to this full podcast on the day that

831
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: the news broke about Liam's death, and my jaw was

832
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: on the ground.

833
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe what was being said.

834
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: And it's really bad because I think that someone should

835
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: be able to talk about what happened to them, they

836
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: should be able to screem it from the rooftops. But

837
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: in saying that, it's really difficult to listen to the

838
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: fact that friends pleaded with her to think about his

839
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: mental health. In hindsight, yes, but in abusive relationships, it

840
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: isn't uncommon for the abuser to use suicide as a

841
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 1: threat to control people. And there's no way that Maya

842
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: could predict what was actually going to happen. And I'm

843
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: sure it was not her intention for this to happen.

844
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: No, And I think what was.

845
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: Clear listening to the full podcast is that she really

846
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: did care about Liam, because even when they were broken up,

847
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: she tried to get Liam help and encouraged him to

848
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: go to rehab. As soon as the news broke of

849
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: Liam's death, Maya's social media accounts were flooded with death

850
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: threats and one defense holding her response for the death.

851
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: One said Liam Payne is dead because of you. Another said,

852
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: now he is dead, are you happy?

853
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: I just think it's.

854
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: Really troubling that this is a twenty three year old

855
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: woman who has found the bravery to speak out against

856
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: physical and emotional abuse that she allegedly received at the

857
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: hands of someone who is very high profile, and she

858
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: is now being vilified and blamed for his death. I

859
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: think it's very clear, since more reports have come out

860
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: about the situation surrounding Liam's death, that.

861
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 2: This wasn't the only thing on his mind.

862
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: It unfortunately is very bad timing and these comments have

863
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: not aged well.

864
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: No, but it doesn't.

865
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: Mean that she is responsible for his actions. I mean,

866
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: Liam has been suffering from chronic drug and alcohol problems

867
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: for years. She tried to get him help with these issues,

868
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: and from what she said in the interview, she is

869
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: just scratching the surface of things that he has allegedly

870
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: done to her. And I think in times like this,

871
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: as a society, we really want someone to blame and

872
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: hold respondsible for his death, and no one looks inwards

873
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: at themselves and thinks, well, maybe it was unhelpful to

874
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: troll him over his appearance at Niles concert, or maybe

875
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have been knocking down his door trying to

876
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: get photos with him, or giving him space and the

877
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: privacy that he needed.

878
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: No one wants to blame themselves. They want to blame

879
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: someone else.

880
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: Everyone loves to shift the blame. What makes no sense

881
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: to me is that Liam's cause of death has not

882
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: been proven. It is still under investigation. These fans clearly

883
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: think that he has taken his own life because of

884
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: what Maya has said, and in order to punish her,

885
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: they're trolling her, so eventually she takes her own life.

886
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't make any sense. I would literally hate.

887
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: To know what she's going through at the moment, particularly

888
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: because even though it's not her fault, I'm sure that

889
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: she would hold guilt around this. And it doesn't help

890
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: when you have people saying your worst fear, yeah, and

891
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: it's your fault and also she's trying to deal with

892
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: what also has allegedly happened to her at the same

893
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: time as navigating sadness around her alleged abus's death. Yeah,

894
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: there's also been another TikToker who's been dragged into this controversy.

895
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: Her name is also Maya Henry and she is an

896
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: actress and content creator from Canada. So a number of

897
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: media publications have mistakenly used her images in articles confusing

898
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: her for Liam's ex fiance, and this has resulted in

899
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: her copying a barrage.

900
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: Of hate and abuse.

901
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: So her TikTok came up on my newsfeed and I

902
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: just assumed it was her and she was like, it

903
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: was not on my bingo card to be blamed for

904
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: the death of Liam Payne, And I was like, oh wow,

905
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: has Maya Henry actually came out and spoken about this?

906
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: And then I was so confused because that was her

907
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: name as well, and she looked a lot like her now.

908
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: Sheryl Cole, who was Liam's former partner and the mother

909
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: to his childbare released a very heart wrenching statement reminding

910
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: the world that we have lost a human being now.

911
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: She expressed her disappointment at the media coverage, labeling it

912
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: abhorrent and describing the reporting as media exploitation. She also

913
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: described Liam's death as an earth shattering event and said

914
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: Liam was not only a pop star and a celebrity.

915
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: He was a son, a brother, an uncle, a dear friend,

916
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: and a father to our seven year old son, a

917
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: son that now has to face the reality of never

918
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: seeing his father again. It is breaking my heart further

919
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: that I cannot protect him from that in his future.

920
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: Please give Liam the dignity he has left in the

921
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: wake of his death to rest in some peace at last.

922
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: That is just so sad to listen to the fact

923
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: that Liam has a seven year old son who was

924
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: trying to navigate this situation as well. And then you've

925
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: got photos of your father's dead body being circulated around Twitter.

926
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: It is so sad that potentially, one day Bear could

927
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: see those photos. I really hope that they are completely

928
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: wipe from the Internet. What also made me very sad

929
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: was reading the tributes that Liam's former bandmates left for him.

930
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: So Zayne wrote, even though you were younger than me,

931
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: you were always more sensible than me. Your head strong,

932
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: opinionated and gave no fucks telling people when they were wrong.

933
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: Even though we butted heads because of this a few times,

934
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: I always secretly respected you for it. It's important to

935
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: point out that he included a laughing face emoji in there.

936
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: I think to point out.

937
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: That their fights were lighthearted because they have been so

938
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: pumped up in the media. Zaane has also postponed the

939
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: US leg of his tour as he grieves, which it

940
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: just shows how impactful this death has been. I found

941
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: it really hard to read Lewis's statement as well, because

942
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: he recently has lost his mum and sister, so this

943
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: is another big loss for him. So he opened up

944
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: that he had lost a brother in Liam and described

945
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: him as the most vital part of One Direction. He

946
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: also said he was grateful that they'd become even closer

947
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: since the band split up, and would speak on the

948
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: phone with Liam for hours, reminiscing about their thousands of

949
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: amazing memories. He also vowed to be there for Bear

950
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: and tell him how amazing his dad was. I feel

951
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: like Harry Styles was probably the most put together and

952
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: professional media release I fromly had.

953
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 2: Helped from his media team.

954
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: So he wrote that he was devastated by Liam's passing

955
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: and that the years he spent with Liam and One

956
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: Direction will be the most cherished years.

957
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: Of his life. Now.

958
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: Niall put out his statement last, and I think it's

959
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: because he was probably most impacted by it because he

960
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: only recently saw Liam, and he said he feels so

961
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: fortunate to have seen him at his concert, and he

962
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: never would have realized that after saying goodbye and hugging

963
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: him that night, it would be the last goodbye for ever.

964
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: Oh it's just so sad.

965
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: I really feel for Nihile in this situation, because there

966
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: must be a part of him that blames himself that

967
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: he had a concert there and you know those sliding

968
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: door moments. Now, I do want to talk about the

969
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: reaction from the fans after Liam's death because I find

970
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: it so interesting. So when the news broke, One Direction

971
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: fans literally returned to the fandom to seek comfort and support.

972
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: So a lot of inactive fan accounts and group chats

973
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: that were once frozen in time suddenly began buzzing again.

974
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: And I think that's because of the complexity that surrounds

975
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: Liam's legacy.

976
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: So the fandom has been.

977
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: A safe space for directioners to share their grief without

978
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: any judgment. And I think that that's because they feel

979
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: like directioners are the only ones who truly understand what

980
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: they're going through and there's not going to be any judgment. Yeah,

981
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: particularly TikTok is a rough place at the moment if

982
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: you are a one Direction fan. So I am glad

983
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: that they do have this safe place to mourn. As

984
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: we touched on at the start of the episode, we

985
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: were One Direction fans but not a part of the

986
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: fandom itself. But I think we have been in a

987
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: sense part of a fandom before.

988
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: So I think the big one for us was the

989
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: Dean Guya forum.

990
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild to think how popular forums were in.

991
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: Was it what one? Was it like twenty I think

992
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: two thousand and.

993
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: Six, Yeah, so because we didn't I don't think Twitter

994
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: was around then. So it was really forums that you

995
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: would go on and you would make friends with these

996
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: people that also liked the celebrity that you were interested in.

997
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: And there's such a hierarchy when it comes to these fandoms,

998
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: Like I remember on the Dean Guy forum, people's avatars

999
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: would really give you an idea of what you thought

1000
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: they were like, Like if they had a really nice

1001
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: avatar with nice pictures of Dean Guy, you kind of

1002
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: though of them in a different way. And on these forums,

1003
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: I have to say that the majority of people always

1004
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: have a distaste for the girlfriend or whoever the girlfriend is,

1005
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: even if they're the nicest person on the planet, there's

1006
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: a lot of jealousy surrounding it. Yeah, And in saying that,

1007
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: I do think the friendships that are formed in these

1008
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: sorts of communities are very genuine, because while you get

1009
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: together to talk about maybe album releases or award show performances,

1010
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: there's also personal chats going on and people sharing their

1011
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: own life milestones in the general.

1012
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: Chat on those types of forums.

1013
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: So while the relationship with the band was a parasocial

1014
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: one for Directioners, the friendships within that.

1015
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: Community were very real.

1016
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: And this community of fans I think was one of

1017
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: the most significant things to come from one Directtiontion's existence

1018
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: and their directions were really the originators of modern stan Twitter.

1019
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: So they use the platform to communicate with the boys

1020
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: and fans as well as get the band trending online.

1021
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: They set the tone for a lot of other big

1022
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: fan groups. I noticed a lot of Directioners were saying

1023
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: that Liam's passing very much reminded them of the day

1024
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: when Zain announced he was leaving the band. And I

1025
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: think it's because there's this real finalness to it, because

1026
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: there have been rumors for.

1027
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: Months that One Direction was going to reform and.

1028
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: We were going to have a reunion, we were going

1029
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: to get new shows, new concerts, and I think that

1030
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: there's a real feeling and knowledge that probably is not

1031
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: going to happen, particularly because Liam sang a lot of

1032
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: the songs. Well, people want a reunion of all five members,

1033
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: they don't want to of just the four. And I

1034
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: think it was the nature of the way the boys

1035
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: actually went on a hiatus, so it was described as

1036
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: an indefinite hiatus in twenty fifteen, and as you said, Sophie,

1037
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: there were recently murmurs of this reun so a lot

1038
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: of fans were getting excited about it. So one Rolling

1039
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: Stone writer and One Direction fan, Larissa Paul, wrote, the

1040
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: version of One Direction that we have all held on

1041
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: to hasn't existed for quite some time. It lives forever

1042
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: only in the sense that it lives within all of us,

1043
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: but the reality of their true impermanence has left us

1044
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: with even more ghost to grieve in the wake of

1045
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: Liam's death, and I think that sums it up really well. Yeah,

1046
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: it's crazy to think that it's been eight years since

1047
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: the band broke up, and it just feels like so

1048
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: many famous bands recently have returned to perform on stage

1049
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: together because at the moment, we're experiencing this real nostalgia

1050
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: and we're seeing these huge performers coming back, and Oasis.

1051
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 2: You never expect that they would return.

1052
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: So I just think that everyone is not only grieving Liam,

1053
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: but they're also grieving the fact that One Direction is

1054
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: never going to come back together and never be complete. Yeah,

1055
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: and a lot of directioners are looking at the music

1056
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: for signs. So at the end of the band's last

1057
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: single History, the boys eerily seeing so don't let me go.

1058
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: We can live forever.

1059
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: I have been listening to One Direction NonStop in the

1060
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: car and it's bringing me sadness.

1061
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: But also a lot of joy.

1062
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: See, I haven't been able to listen to it, but

1063
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: I've got it in my head, probably from a lot

1064
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: of the tiktoks that haven't playing in the background. It

1065
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: is just so heartbreaking. It does feel like a piece

1066
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: of your childhood is dying. I mean, we were probably

1067
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: twenty five, at the peak of their popularity, but I

1068
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: do fondly remember their concert and I'm always someone that

1069
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: buys into that hype around celebrities, and for many young fans,

1070
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 1: it's the first celebrity that they have loved that has died,

1071
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: or even the first person that they know, be it

1072
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: from a parasocial relationship that has passed away. You really

1073
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: do grieve these relationships. And a lot of people have

1074
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: compared the death to that of John Lennon from the Beatles,

1075
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: and when you love a band or a musician, you

1076
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: really do attach your own life experiences to their music,

1077
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are probably thinking, well, now

1078
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: that they're gone, it feels like those experiences are over

1079
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: to A lot of people were saying I should be

1080
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: experiencing this when I mean my fifties and sixties, not

1081
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: when I'm in my twenties. I'm actually feeling more sad

1082
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: than I did when we started, because it's really sad

1083
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: to rehash all of the complexities of this death. At

1084
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Liam was a real person

1085
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: who has a son, who has a family, I mean

1086
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: seeing his dad going to his hotel. I recently read

1087
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 1: the message that his sister wrote to him on Instagram.

1088
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: He was a young boy that was plucked from obscurity

1089
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: at seventeen, and it's hard not to consider that if

1090
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: he hadn't been a part of One Direction, would he

1091
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: have lost his life at such a young age. I mean,

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Speaker 1: everyone always says that they want to grow up famous

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Speaker 1: and rich, but he literally had it all but had

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Speaker 1: nothing at the same time, fame really impacted him. I

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Speaker 1: saw an interview he did and he was talking about

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Speaker 1: how it scared him so much that his son Bear

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Speaker 1: said that he.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to perform on stage with him and be famous.

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Speaker 1: Because for Liam that would be his absolute worst nightmare

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Speaker 1: because the fame really damaged him. And what is also

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Speaker 1: so sad is that there is just so much guilt

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Speaker 1: being felt by so many people. I think that his

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Speaker 1: family would feel guilt for getting him into something so young,

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Speaker 1: and all I could think about was his mum. In

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Speaker 1: the movie, she bought a cardboard cutout of Liam and

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Speaker 1: put him in her room because she said she missed

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Speaker 1: having him at home. So it's not only grief that

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Speaker 1: of those years that they missed out on having their

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Speaker 1: boy at home. It's going to be really interesting to

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Speaker 1: see what happens in the next few weeks when the

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Speaker 1: cause of Liam's death is confirmed, and whether there is

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Speaker 1: more investigations done into the way that the hotel staff

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Speaker 1: acted during his stay. We also are going to potentially

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Speaker 1: see a public funeral play out, and I've seen so

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Speaker 1: many people saying that it is just so depressing that

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Speaker 1: the last time all of the boys are going to

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Speaker 1: be in the same room together is at Liam's funeral,

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Speaker 1: and it's not the reunion everyone thought we were going

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Speaker 1: to get. That is a really tough note to end

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Speaker 1: things on now. If anyone is ruggling, Lifeline are available.

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Speaker 1: Their number is thirteen eleven fourteen. We will return to

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Speaker 1: our regular episodes on Thursday, where you can get all

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Speaker 1: of the latest influencer news.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: a review. This podcast was recorded on the traditional land

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Speaker 1: of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains.

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