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Speaker 1: Because joining me in the studio is Jerry Wood. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Jerry, Good morning Katie. Now plenty of

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Speaker 1: you know Jerry's name and recognize his voice. Here is

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Speaker 1: the former member, former independent member out there in the

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Speaker 1: rural area, but joining us in the studio this morning

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Speaker 1: to talk about an issue and some concerns still out

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Speaker 1: in the rural area. It is some in relation to

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Speaker 1: the draft Humpty Doo Rural Activity Center Plan Jerry. For

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Speaker 1: those out there listening who don't know what this is, firstly,

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Speaker 1: what is as well?

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Speaker 2: The government has decided that it would basically expand development

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Speaker 2: around the Humpty Do district centers we used to call it.

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Speaker 2: Now there's activity centers. I'm not sure that means there's

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Speaker 2: more gyms there or what, but that's what they call

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Speaker 2: it today. And in doing so, they've decided that the

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Speaker 2: future plan will be to basically remove a hundred existing

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Speaker 2: rural blocks by allowing them to be subdivided, and they'll

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Speaker 2: be subdivided into up to five hundred what I call

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Speaker 2: oversized suburban block so they call them rural of one

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Speaker 2: acre or four thousand square met blocks. Now, doctor Richie,

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Speaker 2: in any statement, when you brought up the latest document said.

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Speaker 2: Some of the things we heard most strongly at that

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Speaker 2: time were the importance of retaining the rural character of Hump.

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Speaker 2: You do, if you add five hundred, four thousand square

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Speaker 2: meter blocks and one acre blocks, you're not got rural anymore.

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Speaker 2: You've just got people tucked in much tighter than you

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Speaker 2: that fits in with that statement.

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Speaker 1: Jerry the play Devil's advocate. Here is it a situation

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Speaker 1: where we do need existing land, existing blocks, you know,

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Speaker 1: more housing, and so this is sort of an easy

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Speaker 1: way to look at creating all of those things.

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Speaker 2: You're probably right, it is an easy way for the

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Speaker 2: government to say, look is what we're doing. But you've

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Speaker 2: got to use common sense. Most rural development has been

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Speaker 2: on large blocks with the Graham Church or the church

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Speaker 2: or estate. There's been Howard Springs would park just down

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Speaker 2: also Settler. They're all single blocks, large blocks owned by

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Speaker 2: single developers. What you have here is you end up

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Speaker 2: if say you've got one hundred blocks to be to

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Speaker 2: be allowed to subdivide, that's one hundred individual developers. Now

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Speaker 2: that developer in this case has to provide water, power

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Speaker 2: that's provided, you'll see there are internal roads planned. Now,

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Speaker 2: if someone on that plan decides I'd like to subdivide

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Speaker 2: somehow I have to do a road. Now, I don't

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Speaker 2: know how they do the road in some cases because

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Speaker 2: it goes through people's blocks. So what I see as

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Speaker 2: a higgety pigglety plan that you'll have a bit of

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Speaker 2: this and a bit of that on top of that.

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Speaker 2: Rural people on two hec there or five acre blocks,

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Speaker 2: most people have a bore, and when you have a boar,

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Speaker 2: you have to have it one hundred meters away from

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Speaker 2: miscepty tank at least around about that. So if you're

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Speaker 2: it and sheds on it, you're limited by what's already there.

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Speaker 2: So a person might have a house on it now

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Speaker 2: and they might want to develop it, but how's it

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Speaker 2: cut my block up. That neighbor is their septic can't

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Speaker 2: be too close to the neighbour's bores. Plus you're going

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Speaker 2: to get I can have one block on mine, maybe

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Speaker 2: two on that. I can fit it this way that way. So,

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Speaker 2: as I said, you get a haphazard planning. Now, the

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Speaker 2: Minister said, well, yeah, it's a long term plan. I think, well,

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Speaker 2: why do you need a long term plan when you

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Speaker 2: you do have large sections of land owned by a

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Speaker 2: three large parcels of land. It's also got a little

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Speaker 3: It is zoned.

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Speaker 2: Already for four thousand square meter blocks and one hectare blocks.

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Speaker 2: So I'm saying, instead of having a plan that will

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Speaker 2: why don't you look at a fresh start on a

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Speaker 1: Jerry, you met the minister this morning, didn't you.

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Speaker 2: I did, and she obviously listened to what I had

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Speaker 2: to have a more development and I know in the

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Speaker 3: Hump You Do has been viable for forty years. It

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Speaker 2: It does not necessarily have to be a sort of

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Speaker 3: We do need some smaller blocks.

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Speaker 2: There is a residential area in Hump to Do that

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Speaker 2: has only had two extra buildings. There were two Housing

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Speaker 2: Commission houses built there. In the last probably thirty to

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Speaker 2: And this large parcel of land near between the commercial

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Speaker 2: for years, and the government has not developed it. And

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Speaker 2: I asked why not and she couldn't answer that. But

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Speaker 2: I know it's there. I know the sewerage has been upgraded,

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Speaker 2: there's water, there's electricity. So instead of looking at their

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Speaker 2: allow quite a few more people to live there, they're

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Speaker 2: looking at elsewhere where. It becomes complex because trying to

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Speaker 2: subdivide land over existing land in an organized way, in

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Speaker 2: a way that's not going to leave us the legacy

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Speaker 2: of a bit here and a bit there. I think

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Speaker 2: there's a bad way to do planning. Planning means doing

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Speaker 1: So Jerry, where too from here? How long have people

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Speaker 1: got to really have their voices heard and you know,

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Speaker 1: voice their objections if they are concerned about what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Well, there has been a lot of discussions over a

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Speaker 2: period of time, and that's why when you read the document,

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Speaker 2: you'll see that they mention a few things in here.

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Speaker 2: Obviously it has come from those meetings. So I think

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Speaker 2: there's a meeting tomorrow night, and maybe the night after

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Speaker 2: But look, when you read it, you also notice they

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Speaker 2: say in here the importance of the natural environment. Well,

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Speaker 2: if you read the plan and look at where these

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Speaker 2: four thousand square meta blocks, they're going to cover some

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Speaker 2: quite considerable areas of native vegetation, four thousand square meta blocks,

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Speaker 2: when they are subdivided, will have very little native vegetation left.

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Speaker 2: They're too small and so and the example of that

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Speaker 2: gardens and not saying that they're not nice places, but

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Speaker 2: and I just think that's not sticking up with what

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Speaker 2: the people have said by putting four thousand square met

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Speaker 2: know along power Road that go under water, go into

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Speaker 2: wood and Neilly every year. Now you've just got to

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Speaker 2: leave those blocks alone. So you've got also the issue

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Speaker 2: they want to put one hectare blocks along the highway

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Speaker 2: to hide some of the four thousand square meet of blocks.

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Speaker 2: What you'll see you'll see the backyards of all those

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Speaker 2: on McMillan's road, we have a service road and you

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Speaker 2: get the front of the house faces the road, which

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Speaker 2: is much nicer look than the backyard. So there are

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Speaker 2: little things like that. But in the end, I've said

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Speaker 2: much as it still won't work, I don't think stick

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Speaker 2: is part of what they call Perry Urban Development for

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Speaker 2: the future Woodell, which don't want to mention that, but

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Speaker 2: it was designed for that. It's also close to Genkins Road.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a government that's developing industry in Middle Arm.

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Speaker 2: Will people could live in that Nunamar area and go

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Speaker 2: that would make sense to me. So you're give people

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Speaker 2: to work. Yeah, I really think the government just should

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Speaker 2: say let's hold our horses here and see whether there's

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Speaker 2: a more planned approach to development in the rural area

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Speaker 2: according to the existing zones that now occur. Because this

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Speaker 2: have it, say are too hectia block which comes with

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Speaker 2: it certain rights, may find those rights diminished because their

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Speaker 1: Well, it does sound like it's something that there is

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Speaker 1: We will. I know we've got plenty of people that

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Speaker 1: they've got if they do want to get in contact

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Speaker 1: with us, they most certainly can. We'll find out as

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Speaker 1: well when those sessions are meant to be happening too,

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Speaker 2: Need some develop people who can't look after their block

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Speaker 2: they'd like to stay in the rural area.

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Speaker 3: That's fine.

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Speaker 2: As I said, there is already land in hump you

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Speaker 2: be developed. But it needs to be done in a

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Speaker 2: with a common sense approach. It needs to be looked

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Speaker 2: at it well, is this really practical the way we're

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Speaker 2: literally a dog's breakfast. My neighbor can subdivide. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to subdivide the next neighbor. He wants one block off.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to pay for the road who's going to

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Speaker 2: pay for the power, because they are the developers responsibility,

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Speaker 2: not the councils, not the governments.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, plenty of questions still, I think that remain unanswered. Jerry,

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Speaker 1: just very quick on before I let you go. We've

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Speaker 1: been talking a little bit more this morning as well

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Speaker 1: about a couple of MLAs using their fuel cards into state.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've been in the state a few times.

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Speaker 2: I was told you on non business, Yeah, non business.

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Speaker 2: I was told you could only use your card inside

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Speaker 2: the territory. That's my understanding, right, So you.

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Speaker 1: Never used jaws into State your fuel card.

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Speaker 2: I can't say one hundred percent because the rules changed

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Speaker 2: from timetime, but my understanding was no, you could. You

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Speaker 2: could only use it within the Northern Territory and once

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Speaker 2: you left the territory, you paid FIEL. Now I might

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Speaker 2: be wrong, but that's my memory of what I was

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Speaker 2: required to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll have to I will go and have a

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Speaker 1: big read through the you know, the determination made by

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Speaker 1: the tribunal. But it just, yeah, it doesn't seem to

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Speaker 1: me that it passes the pub test, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I understand that. I think what we had to

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Speaker 2: do before we did anything like that, you'd always have

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Speaker 2: to ask a ruling from them. Speaker, speaker, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: there would be a set of rules. Those rules are

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Speaker 2: written down somewhere. If those rules are not correct, well,

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Speaker 2: then adjusting. But I saw what was being discussed and

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Speaker 2: I thought, I'm pretty sure I could.

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Speaker 3: I could pay. I got, I could use my fuel card.

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Speaker 2: Within the church, because I travel around the territory a

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Speaker 2: fair bit, and you could also travel, say caml Wheel

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Speaker 2: and a Kannanara, And I think to Marla the.

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Speaker 1: One just that was counter which is they're pretty close spy.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's because if you're nearby and you have to

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Speaker 2: stay somewhere, yes, and you could go there, so that

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Speaker 2: was countered as part of the territory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is fair enough. While they're nearly in the territory.

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Speaker 2: Especially Camel will exactly give me a slim dusty, so

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Speaker 2: can I will anytime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've traveled that road plenty of times.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I've stayed at the pub there, and I

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Speaker 2: wonder why I'm staying awake because the road trains go

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Speaker 2: past the motelity exactly.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Jerry, would it's always good to catch up with you,

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming in this morning and just shedding

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Speaker 1: a bit more light for our listeners as well. About

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Speaker 1: that Humpty dee rural activity.

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Speaker 2: I know people don't have to agree with me. I'm

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Speaker 2: throwing it out there as an alternative, so I'm happy

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Speaker 2: if people don't agree, but I'm just trying to say

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Speaker 2: this is the way I think it would be done better,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes.

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Speaker 1: As well, I think it's about actually making people aware

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Speaker 1: of what's going on if they aren't already.

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Speaker 3: And planning is hard for people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if I told them your plant your zone is changing,

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Speaker 2: they say so, Well, I say.

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Speaker 3: You, it's you won't be able to do. You may

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Speaker 3: not be able to do what you used to be

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Speaker 3: able to do.

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Speaker 2: And the question has the government right to change your

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Speaker 2: zone without at least notifying you? And can you appeal

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Speaker 2: against that? You know, because you have you might have

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Speaker 2: a zone for two hectare which is R L and

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Speaker 2: they change it to r R and you lose some

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Speaker 2: of your rights. Have you any to say I don't

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Speaker 2: want to change my zone.

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Speaker 1: I think they're good questions. Well, Jerry would always good

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Speaker 1: to catch up with you. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you