Speaker 1: Well, sorry about the delay everyone. As you can tell,
Speaker 1: yes and other court cases hitters, this time from the
Speaker 1: estate of Trevor Long. He wasn't happy with the way
Speaker 1: he was portrayed in our last episode and apparently I
Speaker 1: quote touched him inappropriately. Frankly, I don't think I touched
Speaker 1: him appropriately enough.
Speaker 2: We're back now, which is good news.
Speaker 1: Contract and do you know what will be in the
Speaker 1: same studio next time. Hopefully things will work out. We'll
Speaker 1: get back on track eventually. But me and Trevor best buddies.
Speaker 1: Who would have known.
Speaker 3: By the way, we're going to be having a lot
Speaker 3: of well, I'm going to be having a lot of
Speaker 3: fun because we've changed the thing that we're recording with
Speaker 3: today and I'm now in control of all the party,
Speaker 3: in control of the sound effects. So as a result
Speaker 3: of that, you will hear some wonderful effects from yours
Speaker 3: truly the EP of the show, which I believe stands
Speaker 3: for executive producers of the show.
Speaker 1: I would have said, direct penis and not much job.
Speaker 1: There's my quote puerile humor leaking into this podcast.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, We'll be running through our latest feedback closer
Speaker 3: to the end of the show, so please stay tuned
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 1: Paul's Just so you know, Paul's are totally in control
Speaker 1: of the sound effects. I can't do a thing, so
Speaker 1: I just you your share back on mate. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say, why are you Croatian dancing? Why are
Speaker 1: you wearing nothing but some weird kind of pomp pom
Speaker 1: white Beanie only used its ceremonies.
Speaker 3: Yes, so he can control a little bit of it.
Speaker 3: And before we get started, I don't know if you noticed,
Speaker 3: but old mate who we spoke to last time with
Speaker 3: the gr Corolla sold it. I don't know what it
Speaker 3: sold for, but yeah, it's no longer listed, so good.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. We should have got a cut from that.
Speaker 1: I think, I think so. I think we helped him
Speaker 1: out with the sale. He he lowered the price a
Speaker 1: little bit. You know what, I've noticed. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about this in our review towards the end, but
Speaker 1: the civic type bars are starting to pop up with
Speaker 1: quite a few dollars added to the place as people
Speaker 1: don't want to wait quote two years now. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, the funny thing is Honda is one of the
Speaker 3: only car companies Mercedes Ben's as well in the country
Speaker 3: with fixed prices and the dealers are charging more.
Speaker 2: It's like, guys, the whole.
Speaker 3: Point of you ripping everyone off with your fixed prices
Speaker 3: is you can't judge more.
Speaker 2: And they're somehow now charging more for.
Speaker 3: The civic tye bar as well, so the dealers will
Speaker 3: be dealers.
Speaker 1: By the sounds of it, it's kind of pissing me off.
Speaker 1: The dealers are doing this too, and I honestly think
Speaker 1: there should be a rule against it. I mean, to
Speaker 1: buy their own, to have their own allocation, buy a car,
Speaker 1: put some k's on its salat as whatever they like.
Speaker 1: Now it's just it's gone free.
Speaker 3: It's actually not so much an issue for well, it
Speaker 3: is an issue for consumers, But I as a brand
Speaker 3: would be annoyed because that is a franchise of your
Speaker 3: brand that is ripping customers off and giving your brand
Speaker 3: a bad name. So it's more that as a brand
Speaker 3: protection thing, you car companies should be outraged with this stuff.
Speaker 3: But it just seems dealers getting away with it, and
Speaker 3: you know that they're dourning money while they can, which
Speaker 3: you know, I guess it is their livelihood. They're used
Speaker 3: to doing it, and people don't have to buy the
Speaker 3: car if they don't want to. But ultimately it is
Speaker 3: something I would have thought car companies would be interested
Speaker 3: in protecting.
Speaker 1: You'd think so. I just feel like this is the
Speaker 1: new normal. I don't really think they care too much.
Speaker 1: I think the new norm is wait for your car.
Speaker 1: You'll be waiting a long time. They know that now.
Speaker 1: I think the big surprising thing is we are now
Speaker 1: prepared to shell out and wait, yeah, for long periods
Speaker 1: of time, and shell out shitloads more than the actual price.
Speaker 1: It's frustrating. It's frustrating for a car like the Type R,
Speaker 1: which is a limited car and they're stacking on the
Speaker 1: dollars for it. I don't know. I just it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's shit to watch. That's all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent agree. But anyway, we'll talk about
Speaker 3: that a little bit later as well.
Speaker 1: We should. We should mention there's if things that popped
Speaker 1: up this week. One of them. One of them was
Speaker 1: the Kupra Travis Scan, which sounds like sounds like a
Speaker 1: scan I have for my ovaries. Yeah, but it's a
Speaker 1: beautiful car. It's a big, big electric suv. It's hard
Speaker 1: to see kind of the proportions of this by the
Speaker 1: press photos, but I'm guessing Volkswagen Group. It sort of
Speaker 1: seems probably a little bit bigger than the Tigue maybe
Speaker 1: the two Egg.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's interesting because it's.
Speaker 3: Going to be built in China and it'll be a
Speaker 3: joint venture between the Volkswagen Group and the local car
Speaker 3: brand Jack Jac, with exports to Australia starting in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five.
Speaker 2: It is interesting with.
Speaker 3: These cars that I don't know that it seems like
Speaker 3: they've used Coopra as an outlet for design. You see
Speaker 3: some of these cars in person and they actually look
Speaker 3: really cool and edgy and fun. Yet beneath the skin
Speaker 3: they share a lot of components with Volkswagen Group products.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting that they have allowed that to progress there,
Speaker 3: and it seems like Volkswagen finally has the idea that,
Speaker 3: you know, you can actually get away with being a
Speaker 3: bit more adventurous with this stuff.
Speaker 1: They're so blatant about all sharing parts. I saw Matt
Speaker 1: Watson during the week look under a Lamborghini Hurricane. Possibly
Speaker 1: the amount of Audi parts he found under there was
Speaker 1: fucking criminal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I think that you'd have to be an idiot
Speaker 3: to think that there weren't so many shared parts there,
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: It is interesting. The closer you delve into it, the
Speaker 2: more obvious it is. How much of the stuff is
Speaker 2: actually shipped between a lot of these cars.
Speaker 1: What do we think of that? What do we think
Speaker 1: of that? Coopra Travis Scan Is it a travesty? Thanks
Speaker 1: very much, guys. Yeah, I had to keep my humor
Speaker 1: a little less puerile. Fuck face.
Speaker 2: No, look, I think it looks good. I think it
Speaker 2: looks nice.
Speaker 3: The whole made in China thing is a bit strange.
Speaker 3: I don't really understand what the benefit of that is.
Speaker 3: There must be some monetary gain to be earned from that.
Speaker 3: A lot of brands are either moving to the US
Speaker 3: to take advantage of a lot of the tax relief there,
Speaker 3: or China. It seems of the two sort of easy
Speaker 3: options for them when it comes to electric cars.
Speaker 1: How do you think they've launched Cooper here in Australia?
Speaker 1: Because I remember, is there a dog.
Speaker 2: In your studio? I've just noticed it in.
Speaker 1: The it's my dog, Taco.
Speaker 3: Come on, sorry, I just thought we did this on
Speaker 3: a professional basis as opposed to just however you feel
Speaker 3: like professional? Have you read our comments? That's true, that's cute.
Speaker 3: Maybe you could put a photo of Taco up on Instagram.
Speaker 3: Bloody huge. I thought Taco was small.
Speaker 2: Holy crap, What sort of dog is it?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 2: You go, hey, very cute? What sort of dog is Taco?
Speaker 1: He's a grudle. He's a half poodle, half golden retriever.
Speaker 3: All right, we'll put a photo up on socials so
Speaker 3: people know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I'll put him up, Put him up in the car,
Speaker 1: put him up in the have al jolly on, jolly
Speaker 1: goody driving along.
Speaker 2: Oh'd a bit the last time I do that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's actually not too bad. Is the is
Speaker 1: the hybrid of that? I will say that it's more
Speaker 1: balanced than the other stuff. It really is.
Speaker 2: Look that they are improving.
Speaker 3: They do have a couple of little bits and pieces,
Speaker 3: like their safety systems need a lot of work. They're
Speaker 3: just too intrusive. They come up with random messages that
Speaker 3: make no sense. The cherry, my god, I remember that
Speaker 3: driving that down the freeway. One of my colleagues. It
Speaker 3: came up like thirty times telling him to concentrate, even
Speaker 3: though he was just looking out the window driving the car.
Speaker 3: So it had like a dodgy driver, you know, distraction
Speaker 3: warning sensor coming up. So yeah, it is really strange
Speaker 3: how they just can't get some of that right.
Speaker 1: Every bell and whistle was going off on this thing.
Speaker 1: I was telling you before before we started this no
Speaker 1: joke like word for word. I've got the photo here,
Speaker 1: I'll put it up on our circials. Hey, do we
Speaker 1: need to talk about your drive.
Speaker 2: Speaking that it was a bizarre message. I wanted to
Speaker 2: send you a video.
Speaker 3: We ran this on the site because I don't know,
Speaker 3: I've just become addicted to watching watching dash cam owners
Speaker 3: Australia the Facebook page and we came across this one
Speaker 3: video that I just laughed so hard at and I
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't have laughed, but it was a little bit funny.
Speaker 3: A bloke who was driving a previous Gen Ranger was
Speaker 3: cut off by a guy in a Jaguar Suv and
Speaker 3: look the juries out whether he was cut off, It
Speaker 3: looked like he sped up as the guy was trying
Speaker 3: to change lanes to get out of an ending lane
Speaker 3: and anyway, once the car is well and truly in
Speaker 3: the lane, the Ranger driver tries to be a hero
Speaker 3: and starts tailgating really closely. He then bizarrely drops back
Speaker 3: and accelerates to scare the Jaguar driver and for some
Speaker 3: reason very gently hits the back of the Jaguar and
Speaker 3: then something funny happens. So I'm just going to get
Speaker 3: you to play the video now and watch that for
Speaker 3: the first time.
Speaker 1: Okay. So, so it's the back of its dash camp
Speaker 1: footage of the back of a jag There comes a
Speaker 1: really shitty old Ranger, white range at the back. Oh god,
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's going close. Ah did he did he
Speaker 1: hit him the first time?
Speaker 2: No, it came close. Okay, he comes back for seconds.
Speaker 1: He's going back. Okay, now he's getting some speed on
Speaker 1: that corner. Oh. Basically, for those of you I've just
Speaker 1: got off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for those of you who haven't seen it, it
Speaker 3: is the gentlest tap in the world, and for some reason,
Speaker 3: his air.
Speaker 2: Bags off and he cuts see.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think it's well deserved.
Speaker 3: Any like, someone that does that is just an idiot,
Speaker 3: Like if someone cuts you off in traffic. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: get that it's frustrating, but just don't be an idiot
Speaker 3: and shit like this won't happen. So yeah, head to
Speaker 3: our socials to see that video. And if we're not
Speaker 3: allowed to upload it. Head to car expert dot com
Speaker 3: dot where we've got it down the bottom. They're embedded
Speaker 3: in a story.
Speaker 1: People are mentally ill when you see that shit, People
Speaker 1: are mentally ill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, how do you explain that to your
Speaker 2: insurance company? Well, what were you doing? Oh?
Speaker 3: I was tailgating someone and then I decided to ram
Speaker 3: them for no reason and then my airbags went off.
Speaker 3: It's like, that is thousands of dollars worth of damage.
Speaker 3: He would have been deafened by the explosion. Inside the cabin,
Speaker 3: there would have been shit everywhere in there.
Speaker 1: Just he's luck you didn't run off the road or
Speaker 1: like he's exactly or hit someone else who well, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's in the middle of the in the middle lane.
Speaker 1: There was a it's done adelaide and that went past
Speaker 1: him as well. He could have kept that stunning car anyway,
Speaker 1: lesson learnt there.
Speaker 3: So I think maybe what we'll do every episode, let's
Speaker 3: let's find.
Speaker 2: One of these videos that either you or I haven't
Speaker 2: seen and we can.
Speaker 1: Have a little head of the week.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that. Well, then you and I are
Speaker 2: excluded from that award obviously.
Speaker 1: Well, we've we're pretty much nominated every week we'll say
Speaker 1: though that we'll get a lovely intro made up and
Speaker 1: maybe we can add that to Paul's button bar.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: At the moment, my button bar has ballpark, which is
Speaker 3: this noise. It has drums, which is this noise. It
Speaker 3: has dramatic piano, which is this noise.
Speaker 1: That someone is making love to himself. And finally it.
Speaker 2: Does intro outro, which is this noise.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm looking to expanding that selection, so that'd
Speaker 3: be fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So other thing, can I tell you what's on
Speaker 1: my button bar right now? Going? Okay, don't play a
Speaker 1: little game, yeah, go on, okay, this is this will
Speaker 1: be a game of guests.
Speaker 2: The rev Okay, cool, all right, let's do it.
Speaker 1: All right, you're listening, listen, here we go and you'll
Speaker 1: get it. You'll get a big revenue. Oct came on.
Speaker 1: So say, okay, let me guess the engine first. Is
Speaker 1: it ten cylinders? Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's a V ten. It's either in the
Speaker 2: right or the Hurrican.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it is a bit hard to tell between
Speaker 3: the two, but it sounds a little duller than a horrcan,
Speaker 3: So I reckon maybe the right, Oh, it's the Horrican.
Speaker 2: Hmm, that's annoying. What sort just the normal one or
Speaker 2: the Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, are you ready? Here's a clue. This is
Speaker 1: a bit off because it's historical footage. Go on, here
Speaker 1: we go, there's a good clue.
Speaker 2: Go again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I'm going to preference this by saying
Speaker 1: I took two different revs of this car, different different
Speaker 1: sound effects, because the first one, even though look genuine
Speaker 1: what I was recording, it felt like it been modified.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I think it sounds like a V eight.
Speaker 3: It sounds supercharged, so I'm thinking, can I hear that
Speaker 3: one more time?
Speaker 2: It's a manual?
Speaker 3: It sounds it sounds like an LSA, which was the
Speaker 3: engine they used in the HSV range.
Speaker 2: That last one doesn't though.
Speaker 1: Okay, see that like here the blow that kisses me
Speaker 1: off because as I said, this was historical footage and
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound historical.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 3: It's hard to hear that particular. The first recording sounded
Speaker 3: very clear. This one is It breaks up a little bit,
Speaker 3: so I can't tell. It definitely sounds like a V eight,
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking it's a Holden Slash HSV VAS of
Speaker 3: some sort.
Speaker 1: Half there Taranto SLR five thousand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that definitely sounded modified that that had a
Speaker 3: bit of meat to it.
Speaker 2: It's definitely not supercharged.
Speaker 1: So last tie. This one's shit. It's not about the
Speaker 1: music in the background. Whoever put this one together is
Speaker 1: obviously a massive flog driving a flog car.
Speaker 2: So it sounds like a six cylinder. You know this, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: probably it.
Speaker 3: Sounds like a six cylinder and I reckon it could
Speaker 3: be a Ranger raptor.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, baby's.
Speaker 1: Literally the promo video and you know it back to front.
Speaker 2: I think it's safe to say that I naked to it.
Speaker 2: It's safe to say that I.
Speaker 3: Knock that one out of the ballpark anyway, something fun
Speaker 3: I came across, Well, not fun if you're in this category.
Speaker 3: But Queensland has just enacted what they claim the most
Speaker 3: severe hoon laws in the country, and they're wide sweeping
Speaker 3: because not only do they affect hoons, they also affect spectators.
Speaker 3: And basically what they've done is they've now made it
Speaker 3: an offence to be a spectator at ahoon event, so
Speaker 3: you don't even.
Speaker 2: Have to be involved.
Speaker 3: You can literally have parked on the side of the
Speaker 3: road seen it happening and gone, oh, it's going on
Speaker 3: over there. It's an offense, so is participating recording And
Speaker 3: get this carrying spare tires.
Speaker 1: That's odd, that is And by the way, from a
Speaker 1: recent trip I took to Queensland, our sunshine state, a
Speaker 1: lot of people carry tires up there.
Speaker 3: Yes, look at this is the thing, right, I get
Speaker 3: that you've got you've got like this is a bad thing, right,
Speaker 3: And some of the footage that I've seen is bad
Speaker 3: because they're literally on the freeway, they stop the freeway,
Speaker 3: they're doing dumb shit and it's not great. But what
Speaker 3: they're trying to do here is really just put a
Speaker 3: bit of bit of mayo on this. And in the
Speaker 3: press release they said, according to the Queensland Roads Safety Strategy,
Speaker 3: the economic cost of road trauma in twenty twenty was
Speaker 3: six billion dollars and was the cause of fifteen percent
Speaker 3: of hospital admissions. Okay, what percentage of that was hoon drivers?
Speaker 3: Probably not, meaning I would have thought. So they're putting
Speaker 3: a lot of emphasis on this. And the bigger issue
Speaker 3: is that, Okay, obviously they're not going to pull you
Speaker 3: over if you have a spare tire in your boot
Speaker 3: and you're just a normal person, and send you to
Speaker 3: jail because it's like up to one year jail or
Speaker 3: a six thousand dollar fine.
Speaker 2: I get that, but.
Speaker 1: It gives them them. Do you imagine didn't go into
Speaker 1: prison or what did you do? Oh, bloody killed a
Speaker 1: few people? What did you do? I did donut in
Speaker 1: the mac.
Speaker 3: But it's like the fact that they're allowed to do
Speaker 3: it means you're going to have some police officers who
Speaker 3: will just use that as a reason to send someone
Speaker 3: to jail potentially. So I just wonder who comes up
Speaker 3: with these laws. The only thing that works against this
Speaker 3: type of behavior is visible policing. Driving around in unmarked
Speaker 3: police cars doesn't help anyone you're trying to catch these people.
Speaker 2: You are better just sending the helicopter down there.
Speaker 3: Closing off the road with marked police cars, and then
Speaker 3: just running through everyone. Because they have a huge issue
Speaker 3: up there at the moment with people driving like idiots,
Speaker 3: and I just don't think they're really paying much attention
Speaker 3: to it these offenses.
Speaker 2: I just don't think they're going to change anything, to
Speaker 2: be honest.
Speaker 1: I love how they like they've put this in a
Speaker 1: monetary perspective as well. Like, the first thing you said
Speaker 1: was how much it costs? How much the hone's costing?
Speaker 1: Do you know how much it costs to send someone
Speaker 1: to prison? Expensive? Like this country just doesn't like people
Speaker 1: driving fast. I say that, Yeah, it's a wild one.
Speaker 3: I just this is a very very very small handful
Speaker 3: of people, and the amount of effort they're putting into
Speaker 3: this is just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: If they put this much effort into.
Speaker 3: Just hiring more police officers to just be allocated to
Speaker 3: this particular task, I suspect it would be a whole
Speaker 3: lot more beneficial than having to change.
Speaker 2: Laws in parliament and waste all this time.
Speaker 1: Also, what constitutes a whon? Is it someone breaking the
Speaker 1: speed limit? Is it someone doing donuts on a If it's.
Speaker 2: Anything like Victoria, it's at their discretion. So you could
Speaker 2: lose traction off.
Speaker 3: The lights and it would be a hoon offence and
Speaker 3: they could impound your car. So it just depends on
Speaker 3: what kind of police officer you find on the day.
Speaker 1: Did you get a little bit excited over the sneak
Speaker 1: peak of the new Tesla?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, maybe the little peep show.
Speaker 3: So if you don't know what we're talking about, images
Speaker 3: leaked online of what appears to be the facelift for
Speaker 3: the Tesla Model three and eventually the Tesla Model Why.
Speaker 3: What's been happening at the moment in the States is
Speaker 3: Tesla is constantly dropping the prices of their cars to
Speaker 3: help increase the amount of sales that they get. And
Speaker 3: it's because they always set targets for deliveries and they
Speaker 3: come very close to missing them, and then they have
Speaker 3: to gut the price to sell more cars. That annoys
Speaker 3: owners because you instantly lose money on your car, and
Speaker 3: it also just affects appreciation and it's just a complex
Speaker 3: issue that isn't helped by what they're doing. One of
Speaker 3: the things they said very early on is they won't
Speaker 3: do facelifts and design changes like other manufacturers, and the
Speaker 3: fact that they are doing that now, the fact that
Speaker 3: they are gutting their prices constantly, means that they really
Speaker 3: are just becoming another car brand that is doing what
Speaker 3: other car brands do.
Speaker 2: So I do like the look of it.
Speaker 3: It looks to me like they're going to have a
Speaker 3: dash cluster as well, which I'm excited for because they
Speaker 3: need it separately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of relying on that really minimalist, stripped
Speaker 1: back look with the one screen in the middle that
Speaker 1: doesn't go into landscape like a byd At. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean they're obviously not aiming to build dreams, but wow, yeah,
Speaker 3: someone someone has someone is Yeah, so I think that
Speaker 3: they need to really work on that and I'm hoping
Speaker 3: it does have a display there just what matches the
Speaker 3: model less or at least that it's an option or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, look, I'm excited for it.
Speaker 3: It's nice to see just a little bit of change there,
Speaker 3: and it just means these cars are getting cheaper in
Speaker 3: Australia too.
Speaker 1: It needed to happen, like there's hindsight. It's a beautiful
Speaker 1: thing because like if they went back on their word saying, oh,
Speaker 1: we'll never change the design, you know, do once every
Speaker 1: ten years or whatever, this needed to happen. Clearly it
Speaker 1: needed to happen. You cannot live with one design. It
Speaker 1: just becomes boring.
Speaker 2: And well that's what people are creatures of habits.
Speaker 3: So if you have a car that looks the same
Speaker 3: as one that's five years old, why would you upgrade it?
Speaker 3: You would have no reason to spend money. And whereas
Speaker 3: if you change the design all of a sudden, Tesla
Speaker 3: has a reason for someone to go and drop money
Speaker 3: on this car again, So it's just plain as day
Speaker 3: why you would do this. So yeah, so it'll be
Speaker 3: interesting to see how it goes, and it'll mean that
Speaker 3: their cars will be wildly different in terms of the design.
Speaker 2: When the cyber truck comes out.
Speaker 3: I mean, that thing just looks, in my opinion, just
Speaker 3: bizarre and not very functional, and it looks totally different
Speaker 3: than the rest of their cars. And I just don't
Speaker 3: know how that's meant to make any sense. It might
Speaker 3: make sense, we'll see, but yeah, it's a bit of
Speaker 3: an odd one.
Speaker 1: It is an on one. I wonder if that'll actually
Speaker 1: come into few fruition, because that's that was promised what
Speaker 1: last year, really like.
Speaker 2: Two years ago.
Speaker 3: They keep delaying it constantly, And while they're delaying it,
Speaker 3: other brands are starting to sell things like they're selling
Speaker 3: f I fifties in record numbers, the Lightning, they're selling
Speaker 3: stacks of Hummer Evs, Rivians, and all of those vehicles
Speaker 3: look significantly better and more useful in my opinion. So
Speaker 3: I know some people like the design of it, but
Speaker 3: I just think it'll just yeah, it's just not not great.
Speaker 1: But I think by the time they get to the party,
Speaker 1: I just I don't think it'll be that spectacular as
Speaker 1: it once was. Like the shop values well and truly
Speaker 1: worn off. I just can't see it happening. Ye should
Speaker 1: we talk type R Yeah, let's do it now. I
Speaker 1: want I want to bring to the table. Is this
Speaker 1: the most? Is there too much over hype with this car? Personally?
Speaker 1: I was never a type ARE guy. I was never
Speaker 1: I was never a Honda guy in this sort of scene.
Speaker 1: I was. I never understood the red seats and the
Speaker 1: whole look. I mean, the last generation looked like it
Speaker 1: was built by a twelve year old kid with lego.
Speaker 1: I never really got it. Having said that, I was
Speaker 1: never off the Japanese street car, saying I was always
Speaker 1: a big fan of Subaru's. I had a two sixties
Speaker 1: Z you know, I love it. But I could never
Speaker 1: understand the.
Speaker 3: You mentioned that you had a whole bunch of sdis
Speaker 3: when you were younger. Right, Oh, no, that was that
Speaker 3: was not a car thing though, that was a that
Speaker 3: was a different thing. Yep, thanks, I'll be here all week. No,
Speaker 3: but I know what you mean.
Speaker 2: Honda had a very select type of audience for their cars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm surprised that that this car doesn't come
Speaker 1: with like a flat cap and of vape. But I
Speaker 1: drove it, and I love it. I fucking love it
Speaker 1: and everything. The actual driving experience of this car made
Speaker 1: me overlook everything I didn't like. That's how great it was,
Speaker 1: everything from the red seats and the red carpets and
Speaker 1: the wing at the back. In fact, this whole car,
Speaker 1: I think it's toned down. Well, I think it looks
Speaker 1: really good and I think it's the best looking one
Speaker 1: that they've put out in years. But the yeah, let's talk.
Speaker 2: About the stats, because well, just on the design before
Speaker 2: we run into the stats. So I totally agree.
Speaker 3: I thought the last one was a bit over the
Speaker 3: top and it would exclude a lot of people who
Speaker 3: didn't want something ricey and over the top. Whereas this
Speaker 3: new one looks aggressive because it sits wide, it's got
Speaker 3: a great stance, but it's not over the top. And
Speaker 3: even if you wanted to show off a little bit,
Speaker 3: people know what it is. But if you didn't want
Speaker 3: anyone to really care that much, it also fits that
Speaker 3: bill too, like it is it is quite impressive from
Speaker 3: that regard.
Speaker 1: Before the hype started flowing in, the reviews started coming
Speaker 1: in from overseas and stuff. I thought. On paper, I
Speaker 1: mean you look at say the zero to one hundred
Speaker 1: time on this claimed I think is for five point
Speaker 1: four seconds, two hundred and thirty five killer. What's four
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty meters of talk? Right, So you compare
Speaker 1: that to the Golfer, which is similar figures zero to
Speaker 1: one hundred and four point eight. So even the bloody
Speaker 1: I thirty and sedan, I mean that that had a
Speaker 1: zero to one hundred times of like five point one.
Speaker 1: It had a better time. But so on paper, I
Speaker 1: was like, well, this is such a good case of numbers.
Speaker 1: Don't sell cars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's the thing. Like the
Speaker 2: Golfer on paper is technically a better vehicle. It's got
Speaker 2: all will drive, it's.
Speaker 3: Quicker in a straight line, all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 3: but it is just so boring in comparison to a
Speaker 3: type the type as manual only it is incredibly quick
Speaker 3: point to point, It handles unbelievably well. You know, there
Speaker 3: is very little to not like about it, and I
Speaker 3: think that they've achieved a great thing with this car,
Speaker 3: and it will be a collectors item down the track.
Speaker 3: And actually if you even if you compare it to
Speaker 3: the GR Corolla, like the GR Corolla, even being all
Speaker 3: wheel drives, still isn't as tuned or as focused as
Speaker 3: this is. This just feels on another level altogether, and
Speaker 3: I think it has become the king of the hot hatches,
Speaker 3: like it is quite sort of a huge achievement. And
Speaker 3: actually just published that they got a record lap time
Speaker 3: atnerburg Ring. There is an attatched to this, so they
Speaker 3: basically dethroned the Reno McGahan trophy are that had the
Speaker 3: previous record, and a look a bit complicated because they
Speaker 3: changed the rules for how long the lap needs to
Speaker 3: be for the record and this was under the new
Speaker 3: rules and it looks a little bit strange there in
Speaker 3: terms of the numbers, but it is a faster time.
Speaker 3: But the controversy controversy, that's an Italian terming some of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I add some source on that.
Speaker 3: So the controversy is that apparently there is a claim
Speaker 3: that the time has been cheated.
Speaker 2: And the background to this is there's a bloke called.
Speaker 3: Mesha Charudin who's basically a YouTuber who works during the
Speaker 3: on season at the nurburg Ring. He's driven a lot
Speaker 3: of cars around the Nourburgering. I've met him before, really
Speaker 3: nice guy and knows his stuff. He's basically come out
Speaker 3: and said that the car.
Speaker 2: That was used for the official lap time wasn't a
Speaker 2: stock car. And what he's done is he's.
Speaker 3: Referenced two bits of footage, one from another publication's lap
Speaker 3: time of that car and then one from an autobarn test.
Speaker 3: What he's done is referenced two spots in fifth gear
Speaker 3: when the car changing gears, and you can tell that
Speaker 3: with the test car that was used at the Nurburgring,
Speaker 3: it produces more boost and is traveling faster at the
Speaker 3: same rpm that the other two cars are, which leads
Speaker 3: him to believe that that car has either been tuned
Speaker 3: or had some different type of fuel used that's given
Speaker 3: at that extra performance. So Honda hasn't responded to this
Speaker 3: yet at the time that we're recording this, but I'll
Speaker 3: be interested to see what they say, because according to Honda,
Speaker 3: the car was stock outside of optional tires that you
Speaker 3: can get as part of a package with the car.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, what do you reckon about this. Do you
Speaker 2: think it was a controversy?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, you can't claim something something. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of prestige around something like this, around a
Speaker 1: claim like this, and I don't think you can, certainly
Speaker 1: if it's untrue. But there's got to be some sort
Speaker 1: of regulations, like if they've tuned the car differently, or
Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's a loophole with the fuel perhaps.
Speaker 1: I just would find it weird that they've cheated this
Speaker 1: system and then publicized it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Well that's my thing as well, like why would you
Speaker 3: go hard on publicizing.
Speaker 2: It if you did cheat? So it just it makes
Speaker 2: me wonder what's going on.
Speaker 3: And I'm really keen to see what the outcome of
Speaker 3: this is because I haven't paid enough attention to the
Speaker 3: nuances here, but there certainly is a couple of sort
Speaker 3: of question marks over this stuff.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why they would need to cheat.
Speaker 2: It is an incredibly accomplished car. You're really not achieving
Speaker 2: anything by cheating.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll be keen to see how it pans
Speaker 3: out for them and what the response is.
Speaker 2: And we will follow this up once we do. Hear
Speaker 2: back from Honda and see what the outcome of it
Speaker 2: all is just.
Speaker 1: Under seventy three grand. I know, there's starting money, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot. It is a lot. And yeah, that
Speaker 1: was kind of my thought. I was because I thought
Speaker 1: to myself, seventy three grand. But they're advertising. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a two year wait if you get it for that,
Speaker 1: or I could get it now for there's actually one,
Speaker 1: a reasonable one that's on car sales at the moment
Speaker 1: for about seventy six. Yeah, I mean if if you're
Speaker 1: not prepared to wait, you can get one for just
Speaker 1: a few grand more, which I thought was pretty good.
Speaker 1: A lot of dealers which pissed me right off of
Speaker 1: selling them from a round about seventy nine to early eighties.
Speaker 1: I think, look stock as it is, it's an excellent car.
Speaker 1: It'd been a while since i'd driven a stick shift,
Speaker 1: and given this is one of the greatest I've ever driven,
Speaker 1: I'd say it's especially in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's God, it's good, Like the throws are good,
Speaker 1: the way it handles, it's so intuitive. It's just it
Speaker 1: fucking made me feel so great. I have to say,
Speaker 1: like you're going around a corner and the limited slip
Speaker 1: diff just is so in tune with this whole car.
Speaker 1: It's such an absolute joy. And whether it's numbers wise,
Speaker 1: whether it's fast or not, I don't care anymore like
Speaker 1: you don't care. It's just it's so well put together.
Speaker 1: And I would buy this. I would want one hundred
Speaker 1: percent buy this from someone. And this is someone who
Speaker 1: never understood the car, never really got the red seats,
Speaker 1: like the fuck on the outside looking and you look
Speaker 1: at those red seeds because the back ones are black.
Speaker 1: It looks like some boy racer kids just gone down
Speaker 1: to the border and bought a couple of cheap Ricardos
Speaker 1: on sale. But yeah, it's I mean that Alcantara steering wheel,
Speaker 1: the way the seeds hug you in the driving position.
Speaker 1: Everything is just excellent in this car. Excellent and made
Speaker 1: me overlook everything I didn't like I thought. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I could nitpick, you could look at the tech on
Speaker 1: it and go.
Speaker 2: I think it needs more sound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the exhaust sound could do with an improvement.
Speaker 3: Inside the cabinet's okay, but outside it just sounds a
Speaker 3: bit muted.
Speaker 2: And I found the same with the gr Corolla.
Speaker 3: It just needed a bit more, but this is all
Speaker 3: stuff that you can go and change, like you can
Speaker 3: go get an exhaust fairly quickly.
Speaker 1: What was your take on the tech in this, because look,
Speaker 1: I think the race tech in it aside good, but
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are doing that now.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's that special anymore. I mean the
Speaker 1: logging system I think is really cool. There's a few
Speaker 1: cars out there that are doing that well these days.
Speaker 1: But I thought the tech in it was a little bit.
Speaker 1: It was good, but it wasn't seventy three thousand dollars good.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a better camera system on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's not. It's got no three to sixty camera.
Speaker 3: It's not a quantum leap over a standard civic in
Speaker 3: terms of the stuff that you're getting with it. But yeah, look,
Speaker 3: I think it does what it says on the box
Speaker 3: really well. I'd be more disappointed if it had all
Speaker 3: the tech and just wasn't really all that fun to drive.
Speaker 3: I think it sort of meets that brief. It is
Speaker 3: pretty firm, so obviously you know you're.
Speaker 2: Expecting that, but when you go to that plus R mode,
Speaker 2: it's like they just take the suspension out and the
Speaker 2: wheels are directly connected to the body. It is so firm,
Speaker 2: it's just the next level. Yeah, if you're going to
Speaker 2: be on a track with it, it really is quite
Speaker 2: a composed beast.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm a huge fan of it. And yeah,
Speaker 3: had off to anyone that bought one and all has
Speaker 3: an allocation for one and isn't getting ripped off by
Speaker 3: a dealer.
Speaker 1: You know, you do notice a difference between Like far
Speaker 1: too often you look at a drive mode and from
Speaker 1: sport to NAL drive plus R mode, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: that that little jump is sometimes minimal and could be disappointing.
Speaker 1: This is a proper jump in all modes from comfort
Speaker 1: to sport to plus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do notice the difference, and that's what I
Speaker 3: love because it is very defined. There's no sort of
Speaker 3: faffing about with it. So yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think.
Speaker 3: It's really cool and yeah, excited to see what the
Speaker 3: outcome is of this, this Neurburgreen lap record thing. Just
Speaker 3: getting to the bottom of that. I think we'll be
Speaker 3: good too. A bit of controversy, never heard anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred of released what I think is a
Speaker 1: new classic. I mean it's always been there, but it's
Speaker 1: such a good jump. Yeah, we should rap, We should rap?
Speaker 1: How do we wrap? Oh? Hey, do you want to
Speaker 1: hear some great news? Yes, before we go into some
Speaker 1: before we go into some lovely comments. We are I
Speaker 1: think we've got some merch coming.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yeah, actually, let's let's talk about that. We
Speaker 3: had a guy, now I just want to make sure
Speaker 3: I get their name right. Yeah, we had a guy
Speaker 3: called Gus get in touch with us who is basically
Speaker 3: a merch specialist.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think Picasso.
Speaker 3: And we won mentioned his company just because I don't
Speaker 3: know if he wants us to mention it or not
Speaker 3: just yet.
Speaker 1: But because I think he's actually using company printers.
Speaker 3: Well he owns the company, so I think it's okay.
Speaker 3: But anyway, we will check first. But yeah, we could
Speaker 3: have some merch coming, which is exciting. Yeah, I'm loving that.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: Maybe you know how like in Japan you can go
Speaker 1: to a vending machine and you can get used under pads.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can get just Donna to wear a couple
Speaker 1: of pairs came up brief.
Speaker 2: A couple of bed sheets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just so come in game baverly hego Darlan exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we will have more on that soon.
Speaker 1: When I'm feeling tip top and one hundred percent, I'll
Speaker 1: open the old laptop and get it sorted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful, excellent.
Speaker 3: Well, before we do wrap, let's go through some feedback
Speaker 3: since our last episode and two polar opposites. So I'll
Speaker 3: start off with the slightly negative Nancy one.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 3: It's titled really question mark question mark question Mark and
Speaker 3: it's come from Gone a Bit too Far question Mark
Speaker 3: question Mark question Mark. They've got a sticky key there
Speaker 3: they need to look at. They say, Paul, you have
Speaker 3: a brand to protect and you're not doing yourself any favors.
Speaker 3: The attempted humor is quite pathetic. Couldn't agree more with
Speaker 3: third rate humor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just on that. I don't know what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: On the opposite end of the scale was.
Speaker 3: A comment that was titled best car podcast ever Yeah
Speaker 3: they know, yeah boy from Reneagle and Remaghal maybe and
Speaker 3: the contents of that with a five star rating was
Speaker 3: fun car show with real car enthusiast talk, not just
Speaker 3: an cap ratings and fuel mileage like many other shows.
Speaker 2: And we will not we will not mention.
Speaker 3: The other shows that drive cars and come up with
Speaker 3: that stuff, so we will not mention that or people
Speaker 3: that sue people.
Speaker 1: Very commercialized platform.
Speaker 3: Yes, so thank you for those two bits of feedback.
Speaker 3: Gone a bit too far and remagale.
Speaker 1: This is a quick one from George by the way
Speaker 1: in the DMS lads, thank you so much for the
Speaker 1: great podcast. I've recently drove Brisbane to Sydney and back
Speaker 1: and had you guys on the whole way out, he binged.
Speaker 2: He would have swung my donors. I would have thought, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's in those neck of the woods perfectly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. He wouldn't want to do any palichet
Speaker 1: style burnouts. She'll get you perfect blend facts, humor and banta.
Speaker 2: Keep it up.
Speaker 1: A great job, Thanks.
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Speaker 1: S is in there. Somebody said as a meme, I
Speaker 1: wish I could show you this, but it's it harps
Speaker 1: back to the to the days of your Toyota Supra
Speaker 1: who is thank you for coming in.
Speaker 2: We will not be airing that. I do know that clip,
Speaker 2: but it is quite funny.
Speaker 1: Hey, one question about your super right. I was sitting
Speaker 1: in one on the weekend. You turn around in that thing,
Speaker 1: you literally have a blind spot like there is there's
Speaker 1: just a wall of car next to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not the best thing in the world to
Speaker 3: see out of. Is that a pain in the ass, Yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Apart from driving it getting out of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, getting out of it, as as I progress in
Speaker 3: age was tricky. So I'm glad I don't do that anymore.
Speaker 3: It's now the opposite.
Speaker 1: Right now, you got the high up sort of raptor
Speaker 1: in the high up Model hy you're going to climb
Speaker 1: into the raptor, swing the caboosin and the model Why
Speaker 1: now has the update where it actually applicates your hemorrhoid
Speaker 1: cream and it has the voice of Elil Musk going.
Speaker 1: Is that Okay?
Speaker 3: He's gone off the reservation, hasn't he? That rocket exploding
Speaker 3: wasn't great.
Speaker 1: He's learning experience, as he likes to call it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, just a very very expensive one.
Speaker 1: What that rocket was for? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You kind of look at it and go, why why
Speaker 1: did you do that? Why?
Speaker 2: I think they're actually testing the launch pad from memory
Speaker 2: to make sure it would stay alive because it was
Speaker 2: so powerful. I think I actually genuinely.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, anyone questioning Paul's background or a reputation of
Speaker 1: being an engineer, I'm pretty sure he just tarnished his
Speaker 1: own I had nothing to do with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you do follow SpaceX and a fan of
Speaker 3: rockets and stuff, send us a d M or an
Speaker 3: email and let us know how wrong I am.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it was something like launch pad related
Speaker 2: rocket like rockets and stuff, quote Paul engineer.
Speaker 3: So, yes, we're hoping to be in the studio again
Speaker 3: together actual show.
Speaker 2: That is all TV to the sea. Yeah, but in the.
Speaker 1: We'll get that be positive. Well there and I won't
Speaker 1: be going to your bloody officers with your friggin' ea.
Speaker 2: I am going to get that sorted. Next time.
Speaker 3: We're going to have sign writing and stuff on the
Speaker 3: walls here, which I haven't asked permission for, but I
Speaker 3: don't really care, so that should be great.
Speaker 1: You own the freaking joint. You don't need to ask
Speaker 1: for any permission. You don't need to ask for anything.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? You could put that, I mean,
Speaker 1: you've already one of your walls has a big mural
Speaker 1: of you wearing nothing but a pair of wife fronts.
Speaker 1: Funny heart up, I can see.
Speaker 2: Thank you everyone for tuning in.
Speaker 3: Hopefully this wasn't absolutely terrible to listen to see you seen,
Speaker 3: little Pavli