1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, Michael Gunner, Good morning, 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Good okadie. Now, Chief Minister, this issue of crime, it's 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: dominated the headlines for a long time now. The government 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: your government last month announcing changes to legislation, but the 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: big question has been when it's going to pass this 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: legislation now. The leader of the Opposition, Lea Fanocchiario is 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: this morning calling for Parliament to be urgently recalled to 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: deal with the ongoing issues that we're seeing in the 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: Northern Territory when it comes to crime, Chief, will you 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: recall parliament to get this legislation passed. 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: We'll have parliament in three weeks time, whilst you're not 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: looking at taking the advice of the lidary opposition here 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: last sittings, we will provide a notice of a bill 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: at eight o'clock the night before and ask to pass 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: on all stages and agency the next day. The lead 16 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: opposition has form unfortunately with getting details wrong. I do 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: agree with the leosition. I'm sure we all agree that 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: community safety is a priority and it or be a 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: priority for us during the next sittings, but we've got 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: to be very careful about making any mistakes in this 21 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: space around the detail when it comes to legislation, because 22 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: that's the only winner of that will be people doing 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: the wrong thing. 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: We've got to get it right. 25 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: Well, why don't we have another day of Parliament so 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: that you have got some more time to be able 27 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: to go through all of that. Everybody from both sides 28 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: of Parliament and the independents can obviously ask questions and 29 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: take a closer look at that legislation. 30 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: I believe that's possible in May. 31 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 4: Yes, But we. 32 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: Actually spoke you and I spoke about this last week 33 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: and you, I mean all the week before last, and 34 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: you actually said to me that that was your hope 35 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: that it would go through in May. But do you 36 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: do you feel as though you're going to be able 37 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: to get this legislation passed in May? 38 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: So for me, I believe May is the right sittings 39 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: both introduced it and pass it. 40 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: We'll make that decision between now and May. 41 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: But I completely support the idea of doing it on 42 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: urgency in the May sittings, which is going to what 43 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: you're saying. 44 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 4: All right. 45 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: The Opposition leader says that Territorians are suffering right now. 46 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: They can't can't wait until next month. To see what 47 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: your plan's going to look like. She says, let's recall 48 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: Parliament this week to deal with the territories crime crisis. 49 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: She reckons all we need is one sitting day to 50 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: get it done, Chief Minister. The community has been calling 51 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: for changes for so long. I mean, why not just 52 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: recall Parliament for a day. 53 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: You've got to always do the right thing by the 54 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: victim and by a community safety and that means not 55 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: making mistakes in this space. So we'll be looking at 56 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: the May sittings and doing this right and making sure 57 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: we keep the community safe. So for me, that is 58 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: the priority has to be about community safety and delivering 59 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: the best outcome for the community. 60 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: I just don't understand though, If that is your goal, 61 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: why what would be the issue with recalling for a day. 62 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: So Parliament's in three weeks time, will introduce it, We 63 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: allow it to sit there for people to look at, 64 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: look at the detail of it, and then you pass 65 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: it during that sitting fortnight. So that provides the right 66 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: level when you do things, e mergency level of scrutiny 67 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: as well as ability to deal in an urgent manner. 68 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: And that's obviously only three weeks away. 69 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 4: It's the legislation not ready. 70 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: Well, we're aiming for the May sittings. So for me, 71 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: that's the most important thing is getting into the May sittings, 72 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: introducing it, allowing us it there and then you do 73 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: the passage. 74 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: All right, I mean we've got it. We do have 75 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: an issue at the moment, there is no doubt about it. 76 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: We know the school holidays have begun. Their were concerns 77 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: raised last week that this may see an increase in 78 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: crime and anti social behavior. Obviously, as a result, the 79 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police launched an increased presence at Casurina, among 80 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: other things. 81 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 4: It is great that. 82 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: We're seeing that increased police patrol. I think they're doing 83 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: a phenomenal job to deal with this. But last week 84 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: alone we saw obviously the Fanny Bay supermarket broken into. 85 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: We spoke to Dollies in Leanna who had a terrible 86 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: incident with well with alcohol stolen and then bottles thrown 87 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: in the car park as people tried to get to 88 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: their cars. There was a fourteen year. 89 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 4: Old boy in a twelve year old girl's bedroom in Palmerston. 90 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 4: A sixteen year. 91 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: Old girl was assaulted while on a bus. A taxi 92 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: driver was robbed and an elderly woman got off a 93 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: bus before well a group of teens attempted to steal 94 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: her bag. 95 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: In the Northern. 96 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: Suburbs, we also know that shops in Palmerston and Stuart 97 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: Park were broken into. Then over the weekend a man 98 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: was allegedly assaulted in an unlawful entry in Alice Springs. 99 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 4: I mean, do you concede. 100 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: That you've let this situation go on way too long 101 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: and you should have acted sooner. 102 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: Well, you've got to act every day, Katie. 103 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: Well, there's no doubt about that. But I mean, take 104 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: a listen to what I just read out. Is that 105 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: acceptable to you? 106 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: No crimes acceptable? Absolutely agree. 107 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: You keep saying that though, But then on the other hand, 108 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: you're not actually you know, why not have another day 109 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,559 Speaker 1: of parliament, Why not try to bring this legislation in sooner? 110 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: Why not listen to the community that's screaming out to you. 111 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: And we'll be doing that in the May sittings, which 112 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 2: is three weeks away, so just around the corner and 113 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: we'll be doing it. We'll be making decision about doing 114 00:04:59,040 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: it on urgency during the. 115 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: Cold comfort though, isn't it for the next three weeks 116 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: for anybody that gets broken into has crime committed against them. 117 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: I take it all responsibility from the moment we were 118 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: elected in twenty sixteen as Chief Minister to now to 119 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: what happens after May. It always sits with me, and 120 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 2: that's why we made a number of decisions, not just 121 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: one civil bullet. Unfortunately, you've got to do a lot 122 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: of things, and we are working every day on law 123 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: and order and making the community safe. 124 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: It's an everyday job. 125 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: Is this legislation, So basically you're ruling out recalling parliament 126 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: for a day. 127 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 4: You can rule that out this morning. 128 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: I see that as a stunt from the COLP. We'll 129 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: be doing it properly in the May sittings, as you 130 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: should do. 131 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: And you are confident then that in the May sittings 132 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: the legislation that's going to pass. You're telling me that 133 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: that legislation is going to pass. 134 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: Firstly, so I support it being done on urgency. We 135 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: haven't made that decision yet. I've got to do that 136 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: with my Cabinet and caucus. Obviously support it being dealt 137 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: with urgently. The one caveat there is you can ever 138 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: make mistakes with legislation like this because only when it 139 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: would be the people doing the wrong thing. So that's 140 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: an important caveat, I think. But for me, May sittings 141 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: are what's so May four is when we sit for 142 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 2: Parliament's when I introduce the budgets. It's a lot happening 143 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: in the May sitting. 144 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're still going to try and do that 145 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: even though the budget is being handed down, even though 146 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: you know one would suspect that our finances and our 147 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: budget are going to be a massive part of those 148 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: May sittings. You're going to try and jam really those 149 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: two most important issues to territories into that one block 150 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: of sittings. 151 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 3: It's a six day sitting period. 152 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: We can absolutely do both tasks, and I think people 153 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: expect us to be to do more than one thing. 154 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: And are you confident that that legislation that you're going 155 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: to introduce into those May sittings that it is going 156 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: to be what the territory needs so that we can 157 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: get past this issue of. 158 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: Crime, And that's what we talked about the other day. 159 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: I don't think it will be a civil bullet and 160 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: quick fix. We'll be very careful about that. I only 161 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: think's anything that any government could do where crime simply 162 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: just piers the next day. But these are things that 163 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: will make the community safer. I think common sense things 164 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: like if you commenced a version, you should complete diversion, 165 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: if you have a serious breach of bail, or that 166 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: bail gets revoked, that police have greater ability to be 167 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: able to apply electronic monitoring. 168 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: I think they're all sensible things. 169 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: If they are such sensible things, why is it taken 170 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: so long? 171 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think you'll keep working at this, and we 172 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: promised at the last election to strengthen bail monitoring and compliance. 173 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: Our the work or that these are things that we 174 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: identified as being needed to be done. Some of these 175 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: things have gone through many governments, both CLP and Labor, 176 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: and we're fixing them up this next sittings. 177 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: So what would you say to any territory in listening 178 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: this morning, who's thinking, Come on, Chief Minister, why don't 179 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: we just recall Parliament for a day to try and 180 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: make sure that we can get this across the line 181 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: to hopefully, if you know, like you've said, if it's 182 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: going to make a difference and if it is going 183 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: to strengthen things in the territory. So we're not dealing 184 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: with this issue of crime. Why not do it sooner? 185 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 3: So May is three weeks away. 186 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: We'll do this properly and we'll get it right so 187 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: that you're safe and we won't make the mistakes. 188 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: All right, the text line is going berserk. I will 189 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: read some of those messages out in a little while, 190 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: but I want to talk about Karama. Labour's member for 191 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: Karama and Nari ra Kit was on the show last 192 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: week and see that there are hundreds upon hundreds of 193 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: visitors who've arrived in the electorate since the beginning of 194 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: the year. There has been serious crime issues reported. Photos 195 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: have been sent to us here at three sixty people 196 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: drinking at the kids playground in the morning. Your local 197 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: member told us as well of serious issues with chroming. 198 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: What are you doing to return people to country if 199 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: they're not contributing to the community. 200 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 2: So in the territory in the first part of this year, 201 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: we've seen an increase in mobility and an increase in money. 202 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: And late last year as well, we've had a thirty 203 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: percent increase in people using return to country. So we've 204 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 2: got about fifteen hundred people back home so far in January, 205 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: February and March. That compares favorably of January February last year. 206 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: March last year was a bit of anomally. We've got 207 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: a thousand people back to community alone in March last year. 208 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 2: That was within the COVID restrictions first came in the 209 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: biosecurity zones. 210 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: People have a right to travel. 211 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: We can't compel people to travel, but we have got 212 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: that return to country program there and more people are 213 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: using it. Larakia, though, are reporting a significant increase in 214 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: their workload. So apologies, Robert, if you're out there listening, 215 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: I get this wrong. It's around two thousand interactions I 216 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: think they had February last year and around four and 217 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: a half thousand interactions in February this year. That's a 218 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: significant increase in the amount of work that Larakia Nation 219 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: are doing. 220 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we caught up with Larikia Nation last week and 221 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: spoke quite a bit about this with Robert Cooper. 222 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 4: Can I ask is it legal to drink in public? 223 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: It depends where So for example, I suppose just on 224 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: that example in Karama where there are people drinking at 225 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: the playground there at the kids playground in the early 226 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: hours of the morning, is that legal? 227 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: You can't drink within two kilometers of a liquor license. 228 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: I presume that spot will be outside of that and 229 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 2: police have the power then to do tip out a 230 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: number of things depending on where you are drinking. 231 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 4: But as it. 232 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: Currently sits in so if there is somebody, if there's 233 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: people drinking in public and they're they're further away than 234 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: two kilometers from a licensed premises, then that's actually okay. 235 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: There's a large number of areas in Daralen where that 236 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 2: the two K law basically covers most of most of 237 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: most of Darlin. But just saying without knowing the exact part, 238 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: there is a there is a small chance, but it's 239 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: highly unlikely that's a legal spot. Obviously, No, my own 240 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: electorate better, and what isn't isn't a drinking area amone 241 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: electorate and some some parks. I've got parks in my electorate. 242 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: It's legal drink within certain hours and illegal drink after 243 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: certain hours. So it depends on what time of day 244 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 2: you're consuming the alcohol as well. So that's for the 245 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: Vests and east point in different spots. 246 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: So with the issue at the moment where we have 247 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: seemingly got a lot of visitors to the top end 248 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: or to Darwin, our larger town centers, Darwin, Alice Springs. 249 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure where the Catherine's in a similar situation. 250 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: I think all basically urban centers up and down the 251 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: track seeing an increase in people coming in. They've got 252 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: more money, they're happy to be mobile, and you know 253 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 2: Dart with Wren down obviously right now doing the interview. 254 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: Darwin's a much more interesting place for at this time 255 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: of ye particularly for many people. 256 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: So what's your message to those out there listening this 257 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: morning who are concerned with some visitors arriving in town, 258 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: drinking in public, doing the wrong thing. 259 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: So doing a lot of work in this space, so 260 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: personally having regular conversations Larakia, Nation Police and others about 261 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: how we work in with them. We cent a link 262 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: as well about making sure that they can access that 263 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 2: return to Country program, find out why they're in town. 264 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: Sometimes it has been off the back of a reasonable 265 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: thing patients assistant, travel scheme, health visit, etc. 266 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: And then you break it down. 267 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: We've also created the Baton Road Center, which is a 268 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: transitional housing spot. So some of it is how do 269 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: you get them into the right or better correct accommodation. 270 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: Some of us, how do you get them back back 271 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 2: into community. Some of it are you actually meant to 272 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: be at the hospital. So there's a lot of reasons 273 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: that you need to unpick for why someone is in town. 274 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 4: For a wet camp. 275 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 3: I'm very, very, very supportive of a wet camp. 276 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: It's difficult to find a location and difficult to find 277 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: an operator Baton Road. 278 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 4: Are you looking for them though, yes. 279 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: So we've been having that conversation for a while Baton Road, 280 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: So that was part of the conversations building into Baton Road, 281 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: which is not a wet camp, but we don't turn 282 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: people away. They've had a couple or so it's not 283 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: a dry camp either. The problem, obviously is there's a 284 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: significant complexity to having a legal license with a wet 285 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: camp and someone who wants to operate that, and obviously 286 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 2: the location of where that will go is much more 287 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: difficult to nail down as a post to Baton Road. 288 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: So that's a much more difficult solution, but it's one 289 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: I think will be a good result. I think another 290 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: solution that be even better, because a lot of people 291 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: do want to drink and legally allowed to drink, but 292 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: can't drink back in their home community is if their 293 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: support within that local community, it's done the right way 294 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: with local decision making, et cetera. I know there's some 295 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: communities interested in that they actually have a proper community 296 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: club back in their community. We get that decision making power. 297 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 3: Back this year. 298 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: Having said that, Minister ken Whytt is actually very supportive 299 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: of this as well, I think that will make a 300 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: big difference. 301 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: How far off are we, do you think from that happening, 302 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: because I know that that's something you and I have 303 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: spoken about before. I've spoken to the Health Minister, I've 304 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: spoken to former senators about it as well. 305 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: So we're doing the work parallel to asking that power back. 306 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: And there's a number of communities have expressed interest and 307 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 2: there at different different stages again their applications organized, So 308 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: obviously it has to come from the community. 309 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 3: We can't do the application for them. 310 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: So like I know what Air has been interested out 311 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: Brunker Preswick Way that there's interest. So it just depends 312 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: on what the work the community does around consultation and 313 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 2: decision making, and then we obviously go through the liqu 314 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: Commission process. We can just give them support through that. 315 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: We can't do the application for them. 316 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 4: All right, Chief finister. Let's talk about the vaccine rollout. 317 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: Obviously, we learned last week that there's a massive hurdle 318 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: really with the changes that are coming into play when 319 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: it comes to that vaccine. How is it going to 320 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: impact us here in the Northern Territory, especially given the 321 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: fact that the phiso jab as I understand it, doesn't 322 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: it need to be kept at a very low temperature. 323 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, so how will you roll that out to community? 324 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: So there's no easy answer here today. Going to be 325 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 2: doing a lot of work on that. We've have been 326 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: doing a lot of work over the weekend. Going to 327 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: be doing a lot of work today. I'll have another 328 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: sempse today to discuss them. We'll be meeting a number 329 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: of times this week. So probably a couple of things 330 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: I can say today. First, I am under fifty, I've 331 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: have had the issues a Eger shot and I will 332 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: be getting the second shot. That's well, that's probably exclusive 333 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: for you KP and said that anyone, Yeah, will definitely 334 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: be getting the second shot. So that's tick with Fiser. 335 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 2: Something that I think people don't know well yet is 336 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: it must be stored at that. 337 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 3: Incredibly low temperature. 338 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: But when you transport and open it you can have 339 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: around five days of keeping it at a normal vaccine temperature, 340 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: so that that does allow for some transport of pizer. 341 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: The problem will be obviously, and this is what we're 342 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: going to get. 343 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: Some work on over this week, is information around supply, 344 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: certainty of supply and leg logistic issues with this. We 345 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: have gone obligation to always have available someone's second shot, 346 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: so you can't go down the path of giving someone 347 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: their first shot and not be able to guarantee you 348 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: the second with fires so that's within three weeks of 349 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: Astro's ak. It's within twelve weeks, so I won't take 350 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: my second shot on easy until about late June. So 351 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,119 Speaker 2: you've got to get you've got to have a significant 352 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: amount of certainty if that makes sense you, I think 353 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: peop can understand what we'realking about. Now, go to be 354 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: guarantee that second shot within three weeks or you can 355 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: only use half of the supply that you have and 356 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: hold back half for that for three weeks time. So 357 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: you've got to get We've got to get some certainty 358 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: around the details. 359 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: We'll do that work. 360 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: There's right now today no easy answers, but there is 361 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: a significant amount of significant amount of planning we're going 362 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: to have to do to recalibrate our plans. 363 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 4: Are you anticipating massive delays here? 364 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: The way that the Prime Minister has described it is 365 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: it's going to be a bit more like a bell 366 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: curve exponential now. So obviously we know again those twenty 367 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: million fires of vaccines last quarter this year, so you're 368 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: going to see essentially I probably pursue still these tranches 369 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: in small numbers and then really bring home a large 370 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: amount of vaccines towards the end of the year. But 371 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: the strength also I think as of today or yesterday 372 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: scrapped all the targets for the year. Yes, I'm not 373 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: sure they're going to give us new targets or not. 374 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: So it's half for me in the absence of that 375 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: information about give you a real guarantee about what we 376 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: think will be able to do even within this calendar year. 377 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: I had been planning for a long time. I think 378 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: we've had this chat when even when it first started 379 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: eating and we're looking through those border shutdowns you know, 380 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: and came out in May. I thought by end of 381 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one was always my planning, thinking it through, 382 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: all through of everything I knew even way back then 383 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: that we'll get ended twenty twenty one and be sort 384 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: of out that does require the vaccine. So it's hard 385 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: for me now to plan beyond ender twenty one, but 386 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: I definitely think we'll be able to do a lot 387 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: in twenty one. It's a question now whether we get 388 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: the herd immunity up to enough or not. 389 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: Chief Minister, I have got another question here the planet. 390 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: The bowling Alley. We spid extensively about this last week 391 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: with well with the owner of the bowling Alley, but 392 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: also with some of the clubs that utilize that bowling alley, 393 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: and there in a situation where they need basically they 394 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: either need financial assistance or they need a loan to 395 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: be able to keep that bowling ali in moving to 396 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: another location, but to keep it running. Should they receive 397 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: a loan guarantee by the Northern Territory government similar to 398 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: what was underpinned or what underpinned Silks at the Turf Club. 399 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: So loan guarantees are available, and we've set up now 400 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: the local Jobs funds through which you can apply for 401 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 2: and government can consider a guarantee. It means obviously borrowing 402 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 2: the money from potentially to the local Jobs fundal but 403 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: maybe from a bank, and the government provides a guarantee, 404 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: so there is a process that you can go through. 405 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: We've qualified people to sit through. 406 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: That and make sure making the right scision of territory 407 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 2: tax payer money. But I see guarantees as a space 408 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: that government should, with caution, should get into to. 409 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 3: Help help people out. And this is this beer. 410 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: They're more than welcome to go through that process. If 411 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 2: they're not aware of that, I can get someone to 412 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: be in touch with them. I do know Minister Warden 413 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: has been working closely with them about how we may 414 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: manage it. 415 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. I really hope that we're able to come to 416 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: some kind of solution here for the planet. Because the 417 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: service that they also provide to those various clubs. I mean, 418 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: if we have a situation where we've got these fantastic 419 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: young bowlers, those with disabilities and plenty of others who 420 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: are there not able to travel away and not able 421 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: to actually train, I think that'd be a real shame. Ye. 422 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 2: No, I agree, And I'll reach out to double check 423 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: that they aware of the local Jobs fun path. 424 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 4: Chief Minister. 425 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: We've got lots of text messages, but I'm going to 426 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: have to read those out once you're not in the 427 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: studio because there's too many to get through. Thank you 428 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: very much for your time this morning, Chief Minister Michael Gunner. 429 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: There eight nine four one one Oho four nine is 430 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: the number if you'd like to call through. 431 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 4: You can also send us a message.