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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast.

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Speaker 2: We could not be where we are and we could

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Speaker 2: not have done what we've done without the extraordinary support

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Speaker 2: that you've offered, the selfless and sacrificial support that you've

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Speaker 2: provided across the last twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: It's because of you.

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Speaker 3: And now here's the stars of our show.

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Speaker 1: My mum and dad.

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Speaker 2: Hello, it's doctor Justin Colson on here with Kylie, my

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Speaker 2: wife of twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: Today, I was going to do exactly the same sound effect.

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Speaker 1: We're vibing together when again adversary. I love this.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Happy Families Podcast. We love that you've

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Speaker 2: joined us. Thank you so much for giving of your time.

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Speaker 2: We have decided that for today and probably tomorrow. I

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Speaker 2: don't think we're going to get through this in one

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Speaker 2: day because we're celebrating twenty five years of marriage today.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five years. I can't believe that we're that old.

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Speaker 2: We've actually been married to one another longer than we

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Speaker 2: were ever single. You were nineteen. You were nineteen when

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Speaker 2: you married me. I was twenty two. You said yes

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Speaker 2: to me. We had our first child when we were

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Speaker 2: I think I was twenty four, you were twenty one.

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Speaker 1: That's right, you were heavily pregnant. You were nine months

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Speaker 2: Your twenty first birthday, And here we are, twenty five

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Speaker 2: has just been the most amazing. I literally cannot imagine

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Speaker 2: having another twenty five years in any other way other

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Speaker 2: than with you.

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Speaker 1: Happy anniversary.

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Speaker 2: You're so sweet, So we thought we would bring you

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Speaker 2: into our marriage for today's podcast and probably tomorrow's as well.

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Speaker 2: We don't know what one another has written. I don't

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Speaker 2: know anything at all that Kylie has on her sheet

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Speaker 2: of paper, But we thought, for twenty five years of marriage,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't it be fun for the Happy Families podcast to

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Speaker 2: talk about twenty five lessons twenty five lessons that being

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Speaker 2: married for twenty five years has taught us. It's possible

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Speaker 2: that we've got exactly the same lists. I wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: surprised if there's at least a little bit of crossover,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of overlap. But because it's our winning anniversary,

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Speaker 2: and because I'm just dying to hear what you've got

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Speaker 2: to say, I reckon what we should do is go

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Speaker 2: through your list of have you got twelve or thirteen?

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Speaker 2: Because twenty five is not even numbers. So we've got

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Speaker 2: thirteen tomorrow. Let's see if in the next sort of

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Speaker 2: ten or twelve minutes we can work through your twelve

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Speaker 2: of twenty five ideas for making marriage magic for our

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Speaker 3: That's not what you asked me to write.

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Speaker 1: What did I ask you to do?

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Speaker 3: You asked me to write what I had learned.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five lessons. Well, that's fine, that's what I've got

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Speaker 3: Make any promises that following these will make your life magic?

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Speaker 2: Well that's well, the lessons mean life is better, I think. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So I didn't explain the brief very well. I've been traveling.

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Speaker 2: going on away. You go, let's hear your first one.

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Speaker 3: Ah. You know, over the years, we've heard just how

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Speaker 1: I know where you're going with. It's already.

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Speaker 3: And the thing that I've larned the most is that

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Speaker 2: You're not talking about skinned skin with your little babies.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about locking the door. Skinner skin doesn't have

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Speaker 2: that's right. Yeah, time together.

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Speaker 3: So well, if you like, when you walk past me,

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Speaker 2: When we were in our first year of marriage, we

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, there was a couple in

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Speaker 1: And they are borough, Oh, that's right, Barbara Swan, You're

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Speaker 2: Anyway, they said one of the secrets to their happy

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Speaker 2: We have a rule that whenever we walk past one another,

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Speaker 2: I'm not taking you for granted. You've gone a little

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Speaker 1: I did not say that lot at that, but I'm

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Speaker 3: No. But it's interesting because, like I started, we have

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Speaker 3: that those physical touches are hug like, it's what we

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Speaker 2: What's your second life lesson or thing that you've learned

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Speaker 3: A loving, thriving marriage is a choice, a consistent and

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Speaker 3: again and again and again.

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Speaker 2: And that's something that we say with sensitivity because we

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Speaker 3: So for me, seeing one another as equal counterparts in

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Speaker 3: and I, and if we want to have a good marriage,

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Speaker 3: It's just a question, how can I better support you today? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: you've always done so much to be supportive of me,

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Speaker 2: and I look at I had this radio career.

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Speaker 2: I've always acknowledged we could not be where we are

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Speaker 1: It's because of you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've had to go and get the degrees

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Speaker 2: you hadn't been this. I don't know how to say

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Speaker 2: How can I support you? But I'm so glad that

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Speaker 1: What's number five?

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Speaker 3: Growing up, family life didn't always feel safe for me

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Speaker 3: I've obviously carried probably some baggage in relation to that.

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Speaker 3: But one of the things that I'm still learning and

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Speaker 3: is just the reminder that we're on the same team,

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Speaker 3: and that any internal bickering and fighting actually weakens us.

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Speaker 3: That's something that you have to remind me a lot.

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Speaker 1: And there's a couple of lines that I use to

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Speaker 2: And I've been doing this even before I got my degrees.

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Speaker 2: So I remember once upon a time I started saying

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Speaker 2: like forever. That's a long long time. It's not in

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Speaker 1: We're on the same team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess along with that is just this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great stuff. What's number eleven? You know what what

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