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Speaker 1: But right now we know that the AAENTT is concerned

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Speaker 1: they're a decrease the fuel terminal gate price isn't being

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Speaker 1: passed on to consumers at the retail pump. So while

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Speaker 1: unletted and detail retail prices have stayed the same, indow

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Speaker 1: and that gap between those prices and the fuel's purchase

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Speaker 1: price has widened. Now we obviously fairly often take a

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Speaker 1: look at those terminal gate prices and indeed the price

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Speaker 1: at the bowser and it is something that I've been

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Speaker 1: keeping an eye on. Now joining us on the line

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Speaker 1: to talk more about it is the AANT CEO, Anthony Hill,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie Anthony.

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Speaker 1: What kind of gaps are we talking about here in

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Speaker 1: terms of what consumers are paying at the pump compared

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Speaker 1: to that terminal gate price.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well we've seen traditionally, I'll say over the last

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Speaker 2: couple of years it's averaged around about seven to eight

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Speaker 2: per cent, it's the margin. And throughout November we saw

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Speaker 2: that peak up to who are nearly twenty four twenty

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Speaker 2: four cents there and that was at the beginning of December.

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Speaker 2: Has come down slightly to eighteen point five, but certainly

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Speaker 2: nowhere knew where it traditionally has been for the last

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Speaker 2: couple of years.

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Speaker 1: And so why is that? I mean, have we got

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Speaker 1: a situation here where retailers are just thinking that they're

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Speaker 1: going to get away with that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you in Catherine, Catherine was that

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Speaker 2: period was about a dollar ninety eight for unleaved and

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Speaker 2: therefore stropped by fifteen since at the beginning of December

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Speaker 2: in Katherine, but we have seen no movement here in

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Speaker 2: Darwin has been around that one sixty nine point five

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Speaker 2: one sixty nine point nine consistently really since late October.

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Speaker 1: How are they able to get away with it? Anthony?

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Speaker 1: You know, you and I I know I've spoken about

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Speaker 1: this before where previously we've seen them sort of being

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Speaker 1: quite fair. I think you'd have to say, but at

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Speaker 1: the moment, you know, like you said that average around

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Speaker 1: eight cents, I think you said, and now it's at

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Speaker 1: about eighteen point five, Like, how are they able to

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Speaker 1: get away with it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's by now we should have seen

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Speaker 2: fuel that was purchased, you know, when the term will

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Speaker 2: Gay price did go up a bit flow through, So

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Speaker 2: that's probably a question you need to ask them. Yeahdie

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Speaker 2: I think there's why there isn't any movement, but you know,

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Speaker 2: monitoring it, it's just been flatlined since late October, as

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Speaker 2: I've said, and it's probably you know, we would have

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Speaker 2: expected by now that we would have seen some relief

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Speaker 2: at the pump.

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Speaker 1: And I know that you are calling for a reduction

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Speaker 1: in that gap. Ultimately it would mean a reduction in

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Speaker 1: fuel costs. Is this going to make any difference in

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Speaker 1: what the retailers choose to do coming into Christmas? Do

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Speaker 1: you think that they're going to listen?

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, I think given the time of year, it's

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't

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Speaker 2: think we're going to be seeing relief until early in

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Speaker 2: the new year of court to this peak period for

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Speaker 2: people driving. And at the moment there's the margin, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a lot higher than where it should be. So

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Speaker 2: it's from from our point of view, particularly with the

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Speaker 2: terminal gate price. You know, we saw the terminal gate

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Speaker 2: price come down from like a dollar sixty one down

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Speaker 2: more recently to a dollar forty five, so that really

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Speaker 2: should have flowed through.

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Speaker 1: I know that you said that, you know, they probably

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Speaker 1: won't change what they're doing, but what should they be

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Speaker 1: doing here, should they actually be taking it back down

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Speaker 1: to that average of eight sense?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think so. Again, if you look for the

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Speaker 2: last two years, that that's where it's at. So they've

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Speaker 2: been able to operate at that level for the last

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Speaker 2: two years, and this spike is yes, you know, we

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Speaker 2: did see a terminal gate prists go up slightly in

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Speaker 2: kind of mid October, but it has come back down,

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Speaker 2: so there's there's really no excuse for it. So we

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Speaker 2: are calling for it to be to be fair and

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Speaker 2: reasonable at a time when our motors are most likely

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Speaker 2: going to be on the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: we all understand that they are businesses and that businesses

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Speaker 1: need to make money, but you know, be fair, like,

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Speaker 1: be fair with the consumers and be fair with those

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Speaker 1: territories that are loyal to them.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, Well the case they've seen it, we've seen

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Speaker 2: it dropping Catherine and by nearly fifteen cents so in

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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. So there's no reason why

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Speaker 2: it shouldn't be happening in Darwent either. Hey, Anthony, I.

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Speaker 1: Know there's been lots of discussions sort of nationally as well.

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Speaker 1: At the moment about this ad blue shortage. Is that

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Speaker 1: having much of an impact for us in the territory

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Speaker 1: right now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more than I've seen the trucking sector, So

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Speaker 2: you know, I have heard a lot about it, but

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Speaker 2: I'm probably not one to comment on it at this stage.

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Speaker 2: I yeah, that's sure of the effect it, that's all right.

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Speaker 1: I thought i'll ask while I've had you on the line,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know a huge amount about it either.

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Speaker 1: I know it's something that I've seen quite a bit

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Speaker 1: of reporting on, so I will make sure that we

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Speaker 1: try and have a bit further discussion about it point

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Speaker 1: throughout the coming weeks. I know that we've done a

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Speaker 1: bit of work online as well. Our news director Crystal

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Speaker 1: has done a quite an extensive sort of report about

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Speaker 1: it online, so we'll take a bit of a closer

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Speaker 1: look from that perspective. But I really appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you very much for having a chat

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Speaker 1: to us about these petrol prices, and I'll try my

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Speaker 1: best to keep the pressure on. I'm going to go

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Speaker 1: through those diesel and unleaded prices very shortly and see

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Speaker 1: what we might be able to do.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you support Chatie, Thank you and the road.

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Speaker 1: This Christmas absolutely thank you. Have a good Christmas, Anthony,