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Speaker 2: have two runners up and the fourth place contestants of
Speaker 2: Australian Survivor Blood Versus Water. It is special guests Chrissy,
Speaker 2: Shay and Josh. I have put the guys together because
Speaker 2: it would have been too repetitive to try and have
Speaker 2: them separately. But together they make a brilliant chat and
Speaker 2: I absolutely love spending this time with them. I had
Speaker 2: a chat with winner Mark Wales earlier this week, but
Speaker 2: I wanted to unpack the final moments with these guys.
Speaker 2: Chrissy is bloody hilarious, Shay was a challenge beast and
Speaker 2: Josh's gameplay was epic. Probably just as epic has his
Speaker 2: hair in my eyes. This chat's pretty long, so I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get into it pretty quickly. We will unpack some
Speaker 2: brutal moments from their gameplay and their candles has a
Speaker 2: lot about the type of people they are. Anyways, I
Speaker 2: hope you enjoy this episode. Let's welcome Chrissy, Shay and
Speaker 2: Josh to TV Reload.
Speaker 3: These guys are taking the game of survivor very seriously.
Speaker 4: I had to fight my way through, use my physical strength.
Speaker 4: I would have heard it for Josh and I might
Speaker 4: have been the other person butted for Josh.
Speaker 5: The last forty seven days have been the hardest forty
Speaker 5: seven days of my life. Chatter is villains and heroes, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Josh questions to you have someone bloody? Let it
Speaker 1: out when I'm Australian survivor blood versus water?
Speaker 4: To be honest, though, what you didn't see the day
Speaker 4: that I passed up?
Speaker 2: Hi Josh, how are you?
Speaker 1: Ben?
Speaker 3: I'm great? Thanks mate, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Good to have you on the podcast. Hi Chrissy, how
Speaker 2: I hello?
Speaker 5: Bennie Norris?
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 5: I'm good?
Speaker 2: I'm even better with you here. Hi Shay, how are
Speaker 2: you tired?
Speaker 4: And relieved that it's all over. I'm so spent from
Speaker 4: just watching the watching every episode and going what are
Speaker 4: they going to show today, Like, what's going to be
Speaker 4: in the edit? It'll be good, it'll be bad. Will
Speaker 4: I look like a fool?
Speaker 2: No, you were great. I think you were great. I
Speaker 2: think you can tick those boxes now and just be
Speaker 2: very happy with your survivor experience. You got the survivor's showbag,
Speaker 2: as I like to say, got the right to the
Speaker 2: very end.
Speaker 4: Thank you. It was tough. It was definitely not the
Speaker 4: same game as those in the majority, so it felt
Speaker 4: it felt like a rough ride pretty much from Merge onwards.
Speaker 2: Well, last night must have been surreal. You know, what
Speaker 2: was your reaction actually to watching the finale last night?
Speaker 4: I mean, I wasn't surprised. Christy and I looked at
Speaker 4: each other halfway through the coquestions during the final trouble
Speaker 4: and went, well, we are just being annihilated here. It
Speaker 4: was brutal, and I kind of went blank, honestly, and
Speaker 4: even I look back and I can't remember the words
Speaker 4: that were said. But it was more the emotion behind it.
Speaker 4: There was just so much coming from the final, you know,
Speaker 4: from the jury that Christy and I knew, okay, well
Speaker 4: we have been we have been absolutely crucified.
Speaker 2: And then they make you film your reaction as though
Speaker 2: you win. Can you give me that face? Now, this
Speaker 2: isn't good for a podcast, but can you give me
Speaker 2: your I've just won Survivor.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I don't know how I got here. I
Speaker 4: could not I could not fake it. I was like, guys,
Speaker 4: that is that is when I could have put money
Speaker 4: on that it was going to be ten yeal, I
Speaker 4: should have I should have put five hundred k on
Speaker 4: Mark winning and then I would have won as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you realize that's called inside training and then
Speaker 2: goes to jail.
Speaker 4: At less. It's good publicity, right, any publicens.
Speaker 2: Well, it's got to be better than purgatory. Chrissy, what
Speaker 2: about you? Are you happy with what was shown in
Speaker 2: the finale?
Speaker 5: You know what, I'm so happy with what I saw
Speaker 5: for the finale because it's not what I really remember
Speaker 5: being there that night. Obviously we've been out for a while,
Speaker 5: so that's been quite triggering for me because it was
Speaker 5: a lot, let's say that, and to watch it and
Speaker 5: see what Astraya saw, I'm so proud and I'm so
Speaker 5: happy how that came off. And yeah, I'm really happy
Speaker 5: for marking. Shay was really really good as well. And yeah,
Speaker 5: it is what it is. That's exactly what you saw
Speaker 5: is just what I wanted you to see.
Speaker 2: What about you, Josh? Coming out fourth was a brutal excent.
Speaker 2: How did that play out for you watching it?
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking forward to watching it, to be honest.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a hard pill to swallow knowing that
Speaker 1: you got that close. But it wasn't as bad as
Speaker 1: what I thought. It's yeah, and I knew that, you know,
Speaker 1: we had the like I'll put on a bit of
Speaker 1: an angry to try and make the guys squirm, but
Speaker 1: I knew I was worried about how that would come across, too,
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was just funny watching it back, But
Speaker 1: that wasn't It wasn't too bad.
Speaker 2: I was a little terrified.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I thought, you know, just make him earn it,
Speaker 1: but it was it was all good Spirits actually cut
Speaker 1: out me at the end when I got voted out.
Speaker 1: I said goodbye to everyone, and you know, I said,
Speaker 1: no hard feelings, guys, love is all and they just
Speaker 1: cut all that out. So I'm like, oh, here we go.
Speaker 1: They're going to make me look like a real, real prick.
Speaker 1: But it's all good. I wasn't too.
Speaker 2: Salty, mate. When you look as handsome as you do,
Speaker 2: you can get away with a lot. In Australia's book,
Speaker 2: let me tell you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't read into the comments too much anyway, So
Speaker 1: you got to take the good with the bed.
Speaker 2: I suppose how hard was it to keep that result
Speaker 2: or should I say the outcome a secret?
Speaker 3: Someone bloody let it.
Speaker 1: Out because Mark was a dollar fifty on sports but
Speaker 1: from day one, so I don't know what was going
Speaker 1: on there. Everyone else is like fifty bucks and Mark
Speaker 1: was paying a dollar fifty from day one, so I
Speaker 1: don't know, but it was fine for me. I liked
Speaker 1: anyone who's asking me, all, how'd you go? Where'd your cama?
Speaker 3: I realized, like, just let him enjoy the show a
Speaker 3: bit more, you know, like that made the show interesting
Speaker 3: when no one knew the results, So it wasn't too bad.
Speaker 5: Because if you only came third and you were out
Speaker 5: there for eight and a half weeks, people are going
Speaker 5: to know you came third, second or first. It's very
Speaker 5: clever that the jury's there. I live in a little town,
Speaker 5: like a little state, Suntime coast, so everyone thinks it's
Speaker 5: okay to go. Who won. I'm like, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to tell you. I can't tell you, but I just,
Speaker 5: you know, I was able to say, obviously, I make
Speaker 5: the final ten. And they didn't know how long until
Speaker 5: each night when I was still on the show. Oh
Speaker 5: she's gone another week. Oh she's gone another week. Oh
Speaker 5: my god, she lasted another week. You know. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: I can keep a secret. I have a very bad
Speaker 5: poker face. But for something like that, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess for something like this, Shaye, what about you?
Speaker 2: Was it hard to keep your Survivor story a secret?
Speaker 4: Not that hard because I had kind of disassociated from it.
Speaker 4: I always head deep into my UNI and just not
Speaker 4: not really too much with the drama of the show.
Speaker 4: There was a lot going on, even socially with the majority.
Speaker 4: They were still the majority outside of the game, having
Speaker 4: lots of catchups and meetups, and I just wasn't really
Speaker 4: involved in that, And so for me it was pretty
Speaker 4: easy to not accidentally let it slip. My family sort
Speaker 4: of knew because they were there on the night and
Speaker 4: even when they give me big hugs, I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is just embarrassing. You know, I couldn't help but
Speaker 4: show how embarrassing was for them for the final tribal
Speaker 4: and so this whole time they've known. But the frustrating
Speaker 4: part was people saying, hold on Hope. I'm like, I
Speaker 4: really don't think I won, and they're like, nay, You've
Speaker 4: got to got a hold on hope. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is joining. It was so adjoining.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like a lot was going on for
Speaker 2: you guys in the waiting process. When did you find
Speaker 2: out who the winner was?
Speaker 5: We went to Sydney. They flew this into Sydney for
Speaker 5: Final four. Yeah, and we were all like wow, really.
Speaker 2: Really I always wondered whether or not they offer you
Speaker 2: a cash bonus if you, guys keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 3: They should.
Speaker 1: That'd be nice to help you swallow the bit of
Speaker 1: pill when you get voted out in the final hurdle.
Speaker 2: We're not better. You know, this might make you feel
Speaker 2: a little bit better. But if who Weekly still ran
Speaker 2: most Sexiest TV Star of twenty twenty two, I think
Speaker 2: you'd be in the running. Did your head nearly explode
Speaker 2: reading any of the comments that we're on social media
Speaker 2: because there was just a lot of love for you.
Speaker 3: Really, Oh that's good.
Speaker 1: I honestly don't read the comments because you know, you
Speaker 1: get the love and you get the hate too, And
Speaker 1: I just thought, can't be bothered.
Speaker 3: You can't get into the arguments with people watching saying oh, you.
Speaker 1: Should do this, you should do that. So no, I
Speaker 1: just try to keep grounded. And I actually didn't want
Speaker 1: to be known as the hair guy. I tried to
Speaker 1: wear my hat every challenge. They wouldn't let me. Jonathan
Speaker 1: one day goes, oh, Josh's hair somehow always perfect. I'm like, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: please don't start that up.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and I suppose if people are saying that,
Speaker 3: it's cool, but try and keep your level head and
Speaker 3: keep grounded.
Speaker 2: Hmm, Shaye, how hard is playing a strain and survivor
Speaker 2: with your partner? You know? Were you worried that the
Speaker 2: game you know, would or could change your relationship?
Speaker 4: Yeah, to be honest, like seeing him the first day
Speaker 4: after being well, not first day at the final tribal
Speaker 4: when he turned up, He's never held me so tight before.
Speaker 4: He was like, I'd never want to leave you like
Speaker 4: for that long again, So both good and bad things relationship,
Speaker 4: because obviously it's good being separated, you know you what
Speaker 4: is it.
Speaker 2: Makes the heart growth fonder?
Speaker 4: Isn't a distance? Yes, we definitely felt like we had
Speaker 4: had that time apart and we were just really happy
Speaker 4: together after. But watching it back, you know, watching people
Speaker 4: say certain things about your partner that can be quite challenging.
Speaker 4: So like some things came up when right before merge
Speaker 4: Chrissy and Khan and Sam around the camp saying that
Speaker 4: Jem's sorry, and jim Ben is quite aggressive in the
Speaker 4: way that he responds to things, you know, winning all
Speaker 4: he throws attention to me the way and I looked
Speaker 4: at him as we're watching the show and I said, oh,
Speaker 4: that's got a bit of merit to it, you know,
Speaker 4: like you get pretty fiery about things. And he definitely
Speaker 4: disagreed and said there was a bit of tension there
Speaker 4: and not who's right, but where do we stand on this?
Speaker 4: Like is it an aggression thing or is it okay?
Speaker 4: So he said that he sees it as passion, and
Speaker 4: I a little bit disagreed. So then yeah, there's definitely
Speaker 4: like things you start to pick a part about each
Speaker 4: other just from seeing the edited version of your game.
Speaker 4: All right, Josh, what questions do you have?
Speaker 1: Pritty right, we had it from the start, the bond
Speaker 1: that we built. You're calling me family, you know, and
Speaker 1: we say we're going to look out for each other
Speaker 1: the whole way through the whole game. You pitch loyalty, family,
Speaker 1: you're talking about my new incoming baby. We're family together.
Speaker 3: He just threw me under that.
Speaker 5: Pose.
Speaker 3: My question is it was just you.
Speaker 5: Know why, I've been looking into your blue eyes the
Speaker 5: whole time. You are absolutely my number one, and my
Speaker 5: social cues picked up that you had changed yesterday, and
Speaker 5: for the first time ever, we talked strap and I
Speaker 5: didn't want to.
Speaker 3: Talk to strat with you.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to talk to you. You were different
Speaker 5: and I knew you were coming for me, so I
Speaker 5: had to be super brave.
Speaker 2: Josh, I need to ask you about that water cooler
Speaker 2: moment post finale. Did you somehow forget that you'd voted
Speaker 2: for Christy too? There was a lot of questions online
Speaker 2: surrounding that double standard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, I think again, it come across the
Speaker 1: wrong way. I understand I was going for Christy I
Speaker 1: wasn't upset at Christy for voting for me. I think
Speaker 1: it was just the fact that she said were one
Speaker 1: and two the whole way, and then I sense I
Speaker 1: was slipping her, so like I didn't go. I feel
Speaker 1: she went for me first by doing the Mark votes.
Speaker 1: You voted for Jordi when I was trying to protect
Speaker 1: both of us in the day vote. So there was
Speaker 1: like steps to leading to that. Again, you just say,
Speaker 1: there's so much going on out there that you just
Speaker 1: you know, your game just crumbles and you're just upset,
Speaker 1: and we're all human, we have like emotions and so
Speaker 1: you're just trying to process it all.
Speaker 3: But there was definitely.
Speaker 1: No yeah, I understand that comment, but I was more
Speaker 1: upset that all of a sudden, you know, we were
Speaker 1: together the whole way and then at the last minute
Speaker 1: she thought she had a shot against Mark, and so
Speaker 1: they go and take Mark to the end and then
Speaker 1: Mark wipes some ten nil. Because I knew that, you know,
Speaker 1: the jury, they didn't respect Chrisy's game that much. They
Speaker 1: didn't respect Shay. So I was like, well, you say
Speaker 1: that we're tight one and two and then you you know,
Speaker 1: you'd go and give it to Mark sort of things.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's a lot to take in.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I get that double standard called I don't
Speaker 1: mean it. It's just your emotional We were humans, Chrissy.
Speaker 2: I want to stay on this. You threw Josh under
Speaker 2: the bus, made it to the final three, which was
Speaker 2: in my mind, out of the cannon for you. Do
Speaker 2: you wish that you hadn't felt the pressure to make
Speaker 2: a big move?
Speaker 5: No, because what was my resume? You know, I'd done
Speaker 5: a few things and I'd been part of lots of votes.
Speaker 5: But I just thought he was my big move, you know,
Speaker 5: like if I executed how I thought it was going
Speaker 5: to happen, Mark was my move. I was going to
Speaker 5: take the soldier out the night before, but the girls
Speaker 5: didn't do it. The girls flipped and went Josh. So
Speaker 5: when they flipped and didn't have me, I was like,
Speaker 5: this is what happens. You go one time for strategy
Speaker 5: in your whole game. I'd ditch out on Marquee and
Speaker 5: now I got to go back to camp and look
Speaker 5: at those two and go keep me around, you know, Sorry,
Speaker 5: my bad. So I was like, nap, You'll go on kJ.
Speaker 5: So many people have said to me this morning. If
Speaker 5: you had ten seconds to think when you got up there,
Speaker 5: because I was up, I was all high mighty, you
Speaker 5: bloody girls. You didn't have my back, right, You're going
Speaker 5: to pay for that cage, you know, because she had
Speaker 5: to stay. You can go and then everyone's like Chrissy.
Speaker 5: If you just thought for ten seconds, Josh Mark, sorry, Josh,
Speaker 5: could have been that move. Mike would have been neck.
Speaker 5: Would I have gone Final three with the girls, Could
Speaker 5: I have won? Blah blah blah, It doesn't matter. I
Speaker 5: was loyal to the end, Joshua for me as much
Speaker 5: as I went for him, So.
Speaker 4: Showing myself that I am a physical threat. I'm an
Speaker 4: absolute beast and could have gone for an extra half
Speaker 4: an hour, hour and that final challenge. This whole time,
Speaker 4: I've been at the bottom, actually fighting for my life.
Speaker 4: That is why I'm deserving a sal survived.
Speaker 2: One of the biggest things in Survivor is your final pitch. Shay.
Speaker 2: I have to ask, were you happy with that final
Speaker 2: pitch that we saw go to wear?
Speaker 4: My pitch was? I mean, obviously only seen and edited
Speaker 4: part of it, but I struggled because I'm not a
Speaker 4: salesy person. I don't know how to talk myself up.
Speaker 4: I've never been like that. I'm not overly confident, so
Speaker 4: to I knew my heart why I felt like why
Speaker 4: I felt deserving of the Soul Survivor title. But to
Speaker 4: portray that with the right words under so much duress
Speaker 4: and sleepiness and no foo or my brain, I really struggled.
Speaker 4: And I think that Mark is if Mark was as
Speaker 4: skinny as us girls, maybe he would have struggled to
Speaker 4: find the right words. I mean he's a wordsmith, like
Speaker 4: he's written a book, he's been in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like public speaker.
Speaker 4: Well he's the public exactly. It's built in his DNA
Speaker 4: to be able to pick the right words. My brain
Speaker 4: was spaghetti. There was just slop in there that I
Speaker 4: had no words. People would ask me questions and I
Speaker 4: was like stair at the fire and hope to God
Speaker 4: that words enter my brain. Like there was not enough
Speaker 4: calories in me to work. I just didn't work. I
Speaker 4: didn't function as a human. So having said that, my
Speaker 4: greatest downfall was my pitch. For sure, I couldn't get
Speaker 4: it across the jury.
Speaker 2: People liked it, you know. There was a lot of
Speaker 2: people on Twitter and not the Twitter is the vox
Speaker 2: pop of the world, but there was a lot of
Speaker 2: people that really liked you, pitch. You're a very smart, intelligent,
Speaker 2: beautiful woman, and I think that sometimes self can be
Speaker 2: really hard. I mean, I'm I think I'm a very
Speaker 2: social person, but once self doubt comes in, it's really
Speaker 2: hard for me to get rid of it. So I
Speaker 2: have to do a bit of self talk. It's not about,
Speaker 2: you know, loving yourself, but I think I just had
Speaker 2: to learn to back myself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, thank you. I do think if I
Speaker 4: got the opportunity to go again, I would, but I
Speaker 4: would definitely take a couple of acting classes and just learn.
Speaker 4: That's what I think it needs. I think you just
Speaker 4: need that, like what you said, you learn to give
Speaker 4: you a little bit of a partner back and not
Speaker 4: be afraid to boast about your game and to put
Speaker 4: it on show. I think I was afraid to come
Speaker 4: across silly. I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: You're still stepping out of your comfort zone. You still,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the thing I think on television,
Speaker 2: regardless of what show you're on, you need to be authentic,
Speaker 2: you know, and if it means you're a bit villainous,
Speaker 2: I say to people, well, that's just who If that's
Speaker 2: who you are, then people will still love that, you know,
Speaker 2: and if you are the comedian whatever it is, you know,
Speaker 2: I think that you do need to lean into it.
Speaker 2: So I think you acting lessons might work well in
Speaker 2: convincing people with probably getting them to come with you
Speaker 2: in the strat talk, but overall, the audience is still
Speaker 2: who you want to be playing up to. And I
Speaker 2: think that you know, you walked away authentically being yourself
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of people that love you for that.
Speaker 4: Oh that's really nice to hear. I've been trying to
Speaker 4: say offline and not read the comments, so it's good
Speaker 4: to get that summary. And I'll take the positive spin
Speaker 4: on the comments. I'll leave it there.
Speaker 2: So do you think because this was a lock like
Speaker 2: Mark took the competition out? You know? And I don't imagine,
Speaker 2: and I haven't watched every Survivor, but I imagine that's
Speaker 2: probably one of the first times it's ever happened. But
Speaker 2: do you think that if Chrissy or Sha had better
Speaker 2: pictures the result could have been different?
Speaker 1: Ah?
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think so. I think Chrissy may
Speaker 3: Well Christie's pitch is pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very good.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was good.
Speaker 1: So no, I think it was just that's that was
Speaker 1: part of where my frustration stemmed from, is that I
Speaker 1: actually felt like I had better relationships with Christy and
Speaker 1: Sha and then they just went and gave it to Mark,
Speaker 1: Like I think it was it was too late to
Speaker 1: try and do a big move, like it's not going
Speaker 1: to get done like that.
Speaker 3: When like your player's loyalty.
Speaker 1: Then going against the loyalty at the last one is
Speaker 1: probably not going to get the job done. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's where part of the frustration came from.
Speaker 1: But Mark just played a great game and the jury
Speaker 1: knew it. The jury respected there were players in there
Speaker 1: when I didn't get much time in the jury Villa.
Speaker 1: But the day of that final trouble, everyone was practicing
Speaker 1: their questions like they all had notebooks in there, Like
Speaker 1: it was intense, Like these guys are taking the game
Speaker 1: of Survivor very seriously. And Chrissy copped quite a bit,
Speaker 1: you know, in the trible that didn't you know, people
Speaker 1: were pretty ruthless to her. So it was everyone walked
Speaker 1: out of there knowing that it was pretty you know,
Speaker 1: pretty much going to Mark.
Speaker 2: Are you surprised with the choices of what questions were
Speaker 2: recorded and then played for television? There's a time constraint
Speaker 2: and obviously we cannot play you know, the Godfather Special
Speaker 2: Edition Special Edition and have Survivor go for three hours.
Speaker 2: But were you surprised to see who went to Aaron
Speaker 2: who didn't? No?
Speaker 4: Not really.
Speaker 1: I think again we all knew that, like it captured enough,
Speaker 1: you know, like it made Chris's pitch look or right.
Speaker 1: Actually had that, but there wasn't much else in there.
Speaker 1: I don't think that would have given a different pitcher Mark.
Speaker 1: Mark had a great pitch, He played the jury really well,
Speaker 1: and everyone respected his gameplay as a Survivor player. And
Speaker 1: what people don't get Marks, He's got this presence about
Speaker 1: him that, like, you know, when people talked to him,
Speaker 1: you sort of sitting in awe. And even my MAT's
Speaker 1: message be like Mark's the man, you know, like people
Speaker 1: love Mark. And I think that just showed and that's
Speaker 1: why I got a ten nil. It was his edit
Speaker 1: was a bit strange as well. I thought it made
Speaker 1: him look quite ruthless. But Mark was He was very
Speaker 1: social out there as well. He was very empathetic and
Speaker 1: he definitely had more of an emotional inside that it
Speaker 1: sort of didn't come across until late episode. So no,
Speaker 1: he played a great game, and and he got me
Speaker 1: right at the very end.
Speaker 2: Chrissy, what about you? You had a fairly dramatic but
Speaker 2: very powerful final pitch were you Were you happy with
Speaker 2: how that played out?
Speaker 5: It's the best I had. The last forty seven days
Speaker 5: have been the hardest forty seven days of my life.
Speaker 5: But if you think for one minute that I left
Speaker 5: my three babies at home with no idea where I
Speaker 5: was going, what I was doing, how long I was
Speaker 5: going to be, you are sorely mistaken. I'm not here
Speaker 5: as an accident. I made my way here on purpose,
Speaker 5: and I guess let's start at the beginning. I have
Speaker 5: to say that I didn't leave anything out. I was
Speaker 5: so nervous so to get it all out till the
Speaker 5: last bit when I had a little bit of a tear.
Speaker 5: Mark is a paid professional speaker, so he was always
Speaker 5: going to be phenomenal. Shane and I were ratley. You know,
Speaker 5: she probably should have said a lot more as well,
Speaker 5: given what she did. She really cut herself short there,
Speaker 5: and I pumped myself up because I thought, this is
Speaker 5: one chance have a crack for God's sake, you know.
Speaker 5: So Shae could have gone way harder, it wouldn't have
Speaker 5: got us any boats. It didn't matter how hard she
Speaker 5: went she could have. We were dead mate to them,
Speaker 5: you know. But for me personally, that was a big thing,
Speaker 5: because it's hard to speak, let alone speak to people that.
Speaker 5: I actually walked down that plank track to get to that.
Speaker 5: I thought, everyone loved me if it we're all getting
Speaker 5: best friend necklaces, and we were going to live happily
Speaker 5: around in the castle. And they walked in and they
Speaker 5: were living. So I was behind the eight ball before
Speaker 5: I even started. I got it out. I got it out.
Speaker 2: I thought it was brilliant. And I thought, for a second,
Speaker 2: even though I knew Mark was going to win, like
Speaker 2: my Heart of hearts and all the editing and all
Speaker 2: the tricks and all the bells and all the whistles,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, she's going to win.
Speaker 2: This is the best speech ever. And I said, we
Speaker 2: got my little bum along the along the couch to
Speaker 2: the edge of the screen. I was thinking, oh maybe,
Speaker 2: and then I realized, you know, as soon as the
Speaker 2: as soon as Jonathan read out Mark. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: everyone's going to write Mark, but I did for that
Speaker 2: split second and you talk.
Speaker 5: So maybe the next time we'll do we'll do the
Speaker 5: people vote. An immediate reaction, one vote quickly, Chrissy.
Speaker 2: The people vote on Twitter last night from the Survivor
Speaker 2: account was whose pitch was the best? And you were
Speaker 2: at the very end just before the announcement forty seven
Speaker 2: percent and Mark was at thirty percent and Shay was
Speaker 2: at eighteen percent, which means that they aren't the correct
Speaker 2: percentages because that's not good maths. But around those.
Speaker 5: Areas didn't matter. Yeah, okay, it.
Speaker 2: Did not add up at all, so great, but they
Speaker 2: were in that. They were so teens for Shay, twenties
Speaker 2: for Mark, and you highs. Anyway, I'm so Twitter was
Speaker 2: really on board, but who Twitter? Come on, you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't hang out on Twitter.
Speaker 5: Please, we're not going to Twitter.
Speaker 2: Hell no. Anyway, Mark got the majority vote, which was epic.
Speaker 2: Do you think that Sam being on the jury allowed
Speaker 2: for some massive campaigns?
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course it did. I would have loved to
Speaker 5: have Krok in there. Imagine what he would have been saying.
Speaker 5: Because it's personal. You know said he got to be
Speaker 5: in there for a long time, reminding everyone, reminding you know,
Speaker 5: how good he was and what he did and what
Speaker 5: they did. I dumb, dumb. I went in thinking they've
Speaker 5: done too much damage. You know, I'm going to be
Speaker 5: the nice one. So I was convinced that if I
Speaker 5: go through with Mark, you know, I was more social
Speaker 5: than Shay, and I had better relationships than say Shay,
Speaker 5: and they'd be cranky at Mark. I got it in
Speaker 5: the bag. How embarrassing.
Speaker 2: I just think it's funny because imagine that Sam's there
Speaker 2: at nighttime and before everyone's going to bed. She's like,
Speaker 2: you know, does anyone want to hear a story about
Speaker 2: Mark when he saved the word? You know, anyone who'd.
Speaker 5: Like to hear about our survivor baby?
Speaker 2: Every day you have the opportunity.
Speaker 5: He saved Australia, he went to the war war, It's exactly.
Speaker 2: How it is, well, Josh. The other thing that I
Speaker 2: thought was interesting was Sam going across to the jury
Speaker 2: so early. You know, do you think that that was
Speaker 2: a conscious decision from the two of them.
Speaker 1: No, I think they would have planned for that contingency.
Speaker 1: You know that one of them is not going to
Speaker 1: make it to the top three. But you could see
Speaker 1: it in Sammy's face when you know, I flipped on
Speaker 1: them and she actually went home like they were still shocked.
Speaker 1: You know, it's good to talk about it, and you know,
Speaker 1: like Mark said, they left the idols back, so that
Speaker 1: they did do that, but when you go home, it's
Speaker 1: still a shot. But having sam in the jury definitely
Speaker 1: would have been Again, I think it would have been
Speaker 1: more important for her to be in there if it
Speaker 1: was me and Market at the final three, whereas I
Speaker 1: think I definitely would have got some votes, whereas the
Speaker 1: other two girls there. It was you know, the whitewash
Speaker 1: that we saw, so I don't think it came into
Speaker 1: play it as much there. But Sammy definitely was working
Speaker 1: hard against She was in there when I got in Sawy,
Speaker 1: she had no books on. She was she didn't stop working.
Speaker 1: She never does well.
Speaker 2: She probably deserves the money then, But I also believe
Speaker 2: that you know, this vote did one hundred percent go
Speaker 2: to fifty to fifty. I think that people were voting
Speaker 2: for Sam and Mark. I think it was evenly split,
Speaker 2: or do you think that's unfair of me to think
Speaker 2: that it's evenly split.
Speaker 1: To be honest, man, yeah, I actually think you know,
Speaker 1: Mark played the best game, Like you know, I'm great
Speaker 1: friends with Sammy, but I think her style was quite
Speaker 1: you know, it was aggressive, It was in your face,
Speaker 1: and I think that rubbed people the wrong way, like
Speaker 1: you saw it on the Juryville episode, like she had
Speaker 1: a frosty reception when we went in there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think Mark Mark's game needs to be highlighted more. To
Speaker 1: be honest, I think he Yeah, a lot of that
Speaker 1: was was Mark. He was a great social guy, the
Speaker 1: big gentle giant, played a great game and had that
Speaker 1: he just had a Yeah, he played a brilliant game.
Speaker 3: So more credit to Mark.
Speaker 2: I think, Shay, had you been on the jury and
Speaker 2: Josh would have been in the final three, who would
Speaker 2: you have voted for Josh?
Speaker 4: Yep, I would have read it for Josh and I
Speaker 4: might have been the other person verted for Josh. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that. I think that I resonated with his
Speaker 4: game more. I think that even though Mark was pulling
Speaker 4: the strings and there's lots of lives and whatnot, I
Speaker 4: probably would have brought a social element into it. Mark
Speaker 4: was not as socially friendly, I guess or approachable or
Speaker 4: warm as Josh and Josh had some great banter around
Speaker 4: the fire. He always had interesting stories about being a pilot.
Speaker 4: He brought people in from all different areas, incredible also
Speaker 4: a winning challenges, his puzzle ability. Like I for some reason,
Speaker 4: I just maybe it was just the way that Mark
Speaker 4: treated me. He was pretty nice to most people, but
Speaker 4: I think to him and I just didn't quite get along,
Speaker 4: and that would have gotten the way of my vote.
Speaker 4: I just felt like, Yeah, I felt like Josha's a sweetheart,
Speaker 4: and I think him and Jordan played an epic game,
Speaker 4: and I just loved their passion and fire in all
Speaker 4: of the challenges, even pre merge all of those fighting challenges.
Speaker 4: They put their bodies on the line and they weren't
Speaker 4: afraid to be in the limelight. Whereas Mark knew he
Speaker 4: was such a big personality, big broad man, that he
Speaker 4: had to sit down a little bit so that he
Speaker 4: wasn't seen as a threat, Whereas Josh knew that he
Speaker 4: couldn't be seen as a threat but went for it anyway.
Speaker 2: Well, Chrissy, same question to you. Had you been on
Speaker 2: the jury instead of Josh and Josh was in the
Speaker 2: final three, who would you have voted for.
Speaker 5: Oh jeez, So that means that I would have gone
Speaker 5: home and I'd be sitting there looking at them. Oh,
Speaker 5: you know, I actually can't say it because it wasn't
Speaker 5: untill we went back for that four when I felt
Speaker 5: Josh pull away. So had that had been me, I
Speaker 5: probably wouldn't say Josh because I'd probably would have said
Speaker 5: Joshi for the wind because I didn't feel that he
Speaker 5: hadn't pulled away by then.
Speaker 2: You could still have said Shaye, Like there's so many
Speaker 2: options there for you. I mean, it was the question.
Speaker 5: I wasn't close to Shaye. No, I wasn't close to shape.
Speaker 5: We've spoken about it since. We actually have a bit
Speaker 5: of a giggle coming out because we weren't close because
Speaker 5: I didn't throth any in there, you know, like he
Speaker 5: dogged Croc and I couldn't get over it. No, I don't.
Speaker 5: I mean I could probably look down the jury now
Speaker 5: and there wouldn't have been many people that I probably
Speaker 5: would have taken to be fair over Mark. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I think jos should have got that one.
Speaker 2: Well, a slightly different question for you, Josh. What secured
Speaker 2: your vote for Mark to win? And at what point
Speaker 2: did you decide to do that.
Speaker 1: I think I knew, like in the afternoon, I was
Speaker 1: sort of going to go that way again.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 1: You have a huge date, like you don't get back
Speaker 1: to jury villa until like eleven thirty, and you know,
Speaker 1: you have a couple of beers, you're trying to just
Speaker 1: wrap your head around everything going on. Then the next
Speaker 1: day you go back and you've got to do some
Speaker 1: other obligations, filming and stuff like that. So I actually
Speaker 1: didn't have any time to think about what questions I
Speaker 1: was going to ask.
Speaker 3: It was just go, go, go.
Speaker 1: But when I was sort of in the you know,
Speaker 1: driving to the tribal from the villa, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, out of a Survivor game play,
Speaker 1: Mark had all three aspects, whereas like you had a
Speaker 1: brilliant social game and it got her all the way.
Speaker 1: But Mark had the social, he definitely had the strategy,
Speaker 1: and he also had the physical. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I was Mark pretty early on.
Speaker 2: But do you think it was a little unfair for
Speaker 2: you to be on the jury or was it a
Speaker 2: little too soon to be there? Was it harder to
Speaker 2: make a clear decision having such limited time to put
Speaker 2: such a blindside behind you.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, definitely, and it was that.
Speaker 1: It was it's just the emotion of getting that close,
Speaker 1: being told that, man, you're you're a huge street you
Speaker 1: had a really good shot at winning this. If you
Speaker 1: got there, it all burns, you know. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: you're just you're piecing it all together. You're so tired still,
Speaker 1: you're just trying to adapt to what's just happened, and
Speaker 1: it's a blur, and so you just throw your best
Speaker 1: and yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, Chrissy, what did you think about Josh leaving the
Speaker 2: competition and not saying goodbye to you?
Speaker 5: That's an edit, Bennie.
Speaker 2: He said, Okay, he said goodbye.
Speaker 5: He's got a hunk. It wasn't very heartfelt.
Speaker 2: Well, good to know. Good to know.
Speaker 5: Shaye.
Speaker 2: What did you think about the conditions of Survivor? Did
Speaker 2: you think that the conditions this year were too harsh?
Speaker 4: No, because I think that clon Curry was harsher. I
Speaker 4: think they had more heat in the day and more
Speaker 4: coolness at night. I'm pretty sure I saw single digits
Speaker 4: in the nighttime temperature in clon Curry, and I reckon
Speaker 4: we only got that a few times were there was
Speaker 4: a couple of nights where we were shivering around the fire.
Speaker 4: I just had an argument with kJ so she wasn't
Speaker 4: spooning me like she normal would. She was about twenty
Speaker 4: centimeters away, and that made me so cold that I
Speaker 4: shivered and cried myself to sleep. But that was only
Speaker 4: a number of days or weeks that it stayed cold.
Speaker 4: We didn't get that much rain, so it was nothing
Speaker 4: like Samoa where they were soaking wet for almost the
Speaker 4: entire game, like nine percent of the game. So I
Speaker 4: actually think we had it lucky. Like sure, it was
Speaker 4: forty five degrees on some days and there was not
Speaker 4: many places to hide from the sun, but I think
Speaker 4: it was beautiful. I think we had some gorgeous I
Speaker 4: love the heat though, like I'm a freak for heat,
Speaker 4: Like give me one hundred community forty degree days. I
Speaker 4: think it's beautiful, like sweater out of the toxins. But
Speaker 4: when you do combine that with not much food that
Speaker 4: it does get a little bit dangerous. For sure. We
Speaker 4: had a couple of passing out episodes. To be honest, though,
Speaker 4: what you didn't see the day that I passed out
Speaker 4: the night before, Chrissy was like, yeah, I've been counting
Speaker 4: the rations with calm this whole time. I've got it.
Speaker 4: I know how to do the rations, and we get
Speaker 4: we'll get a ration supply overnight. And I said, no,
Speaker 4: that's never how it works. It's always at the middle
Speaker 4: of the day when we go out to a challenge,
Speaker 4: we come back, the rations are there. It keeps like
Speaker 4: the questioning in the game, like, oh where do the
Speaker 4: rations come from? You know, it keeps that fourth wall there.
Speaker 4: But she said, no, no, no, no, it doesn't seem right.
Speaker 4: I think this is the last set of rations. We'll
Speaker 4: just cook it all up and have a huge dinner
Speaker 4: and hope that very Godmother comes in off some rations.
Speaker 4: And the next morning we wake up and there's no imprations,
Speaker 4: obviously because we never get them over and she sounds
Speaker 4: so sorry. There is no breakfast. And there was like
Speaker 4: if you scrape the bottom of the cast iron role,
Speaker 4: there was a little bit of rice, a little bit
Speaker 4: of beans, and you could get like a bliss ball
Speaker 4: sized amount of scrap. And I ate that with all
Speaker 4: my heart. And then that was the day I passed out.
Speaker 4: I was so hungry.
Speaker 2: Then you never spoke to Chrissy again, because.
Speaker 5: She did.
Speaker 4: And the thing is everything. I was trying it off
Speaker 4: the Christmas leave for sure.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: I was trying to say, like Christy, please just listen
Speaker 4: to me, like I understand the rations. I did the
Speaker 4: rations when we were at the Red Tribe. It will
Speaker 4: not come overnight. And but but kJ and Josh were
Speaker 4: holding me back. They were like, don't do it. She's
Speaker 4: get she already doesn't like you. She's gonna hate you
Speaker 4: more for having to chime in about your nutrition facts.
Speaker 4: And then because I was like the nutrition nerd out there,
Speaker 4: and they were like, shut up with your science. We
Speaker 4: don't want to hear it. And it's all I have
Speaker 4: going for me is my science. And so I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I just want to step in and say something. Again,
Speaker 4: I couldn't because it would jeopardize my game. So instead
Speaker 4: I passed do.
Speaker 2: You know getting away from the last night? Instead of
Speaker 2: talking about Survivor and your experience in general, Josh, there
Speaker 2: was a lot of conversations about editing this year. Was
Speaker 2: there anything ever Frankin grabbed. I think that's the term
Speaker 2: that didn't sit well with you that you went, oh.
Speaker 1: What there were like I could hear it massively in
Speaker 1: my voice, like I never really noticed it too much.
Speaker 1: But there are a couple there that I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, like they're just completely chopped and changed, and
Speaker 1: I honestly can't remember back. Like they played on the
Speaker 1: gender roles a little bit, which was upsetting because you know,
Speaker 1: they asked you the same questions a million times, and
Speaker 1: what there was one where I was talking about my
Speaker 1: leadership style, whereas like I make everyone feel you know,
Speaker 1: I try not to just be like, hey, it's going
Speaker 1: like this. I ask everyone's opinion. I try and keep
Speaker 1: a balanced leadership stile and then we go with the
Speaker 1: decision from the group. But they sort of cut one
Speaker 1: in where I was like, you know, empowerment, and it
Speaker 1: made me look like.
Speaker 3: Like a real prick, to be honest.
Speaker 1: So that was probably one of them because our full
Speaker 1: playing into that boys club thing at that time as well,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, it's just a bit disappointing
Speaker 1: with that. But you know, again, people forget and move on,
Speaker 1: and I haven't copted too much from it. I don't
Speaker 1: read comments and stuff like that because of that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, so I just move on and yeah, we're.
Speaker 2: Not like that. Well, the interesting thing is that we
Speaker 2: are watching the game, and we can see that you
Speaker 2: have alliances and friendships with people like Chrissy, and I
Speaker 2: don't think that she would be your friend if you
Speaker 2: were some sort of male, chauvinistic pig.
Speaker 1: With Nina, Shay, Chrissy like kJ like all the girls
Speaker 1: like and it was always Yeah, it's just just the
Speaker 1: way that the show went, and it was unfortunate.
Speaker 3: But some people that.
Speaker 1: Watch it and see how tight I was with everyone.
Speaker 1: If I was a misogynist or whatever, the girls wouldn't
Speaker 1: hang out with me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So yeah, I do, and I think you make a
Speaker 2: very good point. Chrissy. Do you know anything about the
Speaker 2: next series? Because people are you know this time that
Speaker 2: I was talking to the the final three last year,
Speaker 2: we were already talking Blood versus Water. Do you know
Speaker 2: anything about another series?
Speaker 5: No, I didn't know about the one I was on.
Speaker 5: For God's sake, Ben, that's a ridiculous question. The chatter.
Speaker 5: The chatter is villain hero villains and heroes, fans, those favorites.
Speaker 5: That's what people are saying. But no, I don't know anything.
Speaker 5: I don't know anything. Shaye.
Speaker 2: What was the most outrageous thing that you read about yourself? Online.
Speaker 4: Someone on some fan page I don't know, someone called
Speaker 4: me flop l and I thought that was creative and
Speaker 4: insulting at the same time, and I was a couple
Speaker 4: of people started going, oh, flop El, like hasn't done
Speaker 4: anything or whatever. This is free furgetry days. And then
Speaker 4: that was when I stopped reading things. But my best
Speaker 4: friend went on to check that website to reassure me
Speaker 4: what was going on there, and she said, it's just
Speaker 4: like one really feisty girl. She was like a big
Speaker 4: shnee fan and she just my guts and wanted to
Speaker 4: just drive my name into the ground. So that was
Speaker 4: probably the most jarring experience on social media is to
Speaker 4: see flopel. But yeah, just the typical comments that sometimes
Speaker 4: pop up on Instagram, just saying I'm like, SHA's done nothing,
Speaker 4: and you just at the start it hurts, and then
Speaker 4: you start to realize that they're not seeing your whole game.
Speaker 4: They're seeing two minute grabs and of what the producers
Speaker 4: want you to be seen as. And you know, I
Speaker 4: don't mind. I don't mind at all. That's the way
Speaker 4: of reality TV. And if I want to do it again,
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to be prepared for that again.
Speaker 2: My last question is something that I ask everyone who
Speaker 2: joins the podcast, and Josh, I'm going to give the
Speaker 2: floor to you. What is something from behind the scenes
Speaker 2: that we as an audience didn't get a chance to
Speaker 2: see that we might appreciate from the makings of Survivor.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I don't know how far I can go.
Speaker 2: All the way, mate, all the way, And I didn't
Speaker 2: think i'd say that on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, behind the scenes, you spend a lot of time,
Speaker 1: like in sitting in silence, like you're not allowed to
Speaker 1: talk like game chat and stuff like that, and so
Speaker 1: a lot of one of the hardest parts about the game,
Speaker 1: besides the food, is sort of sitting around waiting for
Speaker 1: production to get set up and do that, and it
Speaker 1: is a lot of forced silence and that is super draining,
Speaker 1: and you're just sort of sitting there waiting all day
Speaker 1: and it's like it can be up to, you know,
Speaker 1: five to eight hours a day of just like sitting
Speaker 1: doing nothing, and that's where you're really and your brain
Speaker 1: doesn't switch off like mine didn't.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 3: I wish I could just go absolutely have.
Speaker 1: A nap, but I'd be laying there trying to sleep
Speaker 1: and all I'd get was just like, all right, if
Speaker 1: this does this, this and one mind would not stop.
Speaker 3: So that was a huge.
Speaker 1: Training part of it and one of the hardest parts
Speaker 1: of the game. All the just waiting around behind when
Speaker 1: the cameras are getting set up.
Speaker 2: Well, so many amazing insights into the game. So lucky
Speaker 2: to have this final chat with the three of you.
Speaker 2: You guys did so well. Pipped at the post at
Speaker 2: the last minute, but lovely people. I just want to
Speaker 2: say thank you so much for being on TV reload yay, thank.
Speaker 3: You so much, awesome, I really appreciate it. Thank you
Speaker 3: so much for me