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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was and joining us

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Speaker 1: in the studio today. We have got Jared Mayley, the

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Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition Leader. Good morning to you, Jered.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: We've got Robin Lamley, the Independent Member for Ara lun

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Speaker 1: here from Alice Springs.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Robin, morning, Katie.

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Speaker 4: Great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: And we've also got Evil Alla, the Minister for Infrastructure,

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Speaker 1: the Treasurer, plenty.

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Speaker 4: Of other portfolios. Good morning to you, Eva, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, and no doubt going

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Speaker 1: to be a busy Friday morning, because we do know

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Speaker 1: that a report ordered by the Prime Minister has recommended

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Government urgently reinstate alcohol bands in Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: town camps around Alice Springs. Now the report, which has

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Speaker 1: been prepared by Central Australia Regional Controller Darrel Anderson, has

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Speaker 1: been handed to Anthony Albanezi and the Northern Territory Chief

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Speaker 1: Minister Natasha Files. Now it also indeed calls for needs

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Speaker 1: based funding. It's not been made public yet and the

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Speaker 1: government has now agreed to come back and well to

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Speaker 1: work things out, I guess and come back next week

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Speaker 1: with a plan. So my understanding is that both of

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Speaker 1: the consecutive governments are going to be sitting down with

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Speaker 1: their cabinets to work out where we go to from here. Now,

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Speaker 1: Robin Lamley, you've been out saying that the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: government need to apologize for the disastrous decision to allow

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Speaker 1: the rivers have grog to flow freely in Ella Springs

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Speaker 1: and overturn that decision. Today, by the sounds of things,

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Speaker 1: waiting and get into it immediately.

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Speaker 3: Yes, as soon as possible. Finally, some common sense from

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Speaker 3: Darrell Anderson, the Central Australia Controller. Look, these things have

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Speaker 3: to be reversed straight away. The damage that the lifting

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Speaker 3: particularly in Central Australia, has been an absolute disaster. So

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Speaker 3: now I'm absolutely bewildered as to why we have to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not one hundred percent sure about the thinking

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Chief Minister is sort of going, well, we're

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Speaker 1: not going to re implement this span until we have

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Speaker 1: a commitment from the federal government for the needs based

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Speaker 4: Do you have any insight into that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, Katie. Of course, it's you know, it

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Speaker 5: has we understand the issues in Alice Springs and it

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Speaker 5: not just about alcohol, and so they're the discussions that

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Speaker 5: have been taking place with the Prime Minister, between the

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Speaker 5: Chief Minister and Prime Minister, and there needs to be,

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Speaker 5: you know, other discussions around what the territory needs if

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Speaker 5: we're going to go back to that stronger futures legislation.

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Speaker 5: So in my portfolio, for an example I'll give is

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Speaker 5: have trauma, many many other complexities. But it is very

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Speaker 5: would like to see when we talk about needs based funding,

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Speaker 5: So how do you support them.

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Speaker 1: I get all of that, and I think that there's

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Speaker 1: and we keep hearing that. We keep hearing about the

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Speaker 1: generational change, and we keep hearing about the long term stuff,

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Speaker 4: She was on the show.

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Speaker 1: She is urging the Northern Territory government to legislate on

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Speaker 3: Thank God for Marion Scrimdaw, thank God for her sensible voice.

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Speaker 3: I mean, all this stuff about needs based funding, we

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Speaker 3: know that's that's true, but this is a distraction. But

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Speaker 3: the key problem here is alcohol. All the evidence suggests

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Speaker 3: that since the lifting of the Stronger future alcohol bans

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Speaker 3: It's a political decoy.

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Speaker 6: Let's talk about let's talk about the human cost to this.

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Speaker 6: You know, we know that they're almost every day there's

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Speaker 6: there's a delay, someone out there is becoming a victim.

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Speaker 6: So there's already been lots of delay, So let's forget

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Speaker 2: I could Sling Martin say.

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Speaker 6: Once you resign, but I'm angry because this labor government

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Speaker 6: So every day this is a delay. There's someone out

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Speaker 5: I'm just absolutely not true. So it is an opportunity

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Speaker 1: I have no doubt that it is, and I do

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Speaker 1: I mean, all you've got to do is look at

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Speaker 4: You know, it needed to happen last year.

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Speaker 1: It needed to happen six months ago.

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Speaker 3: Urgent action to come about. May I bring back to

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Speaker 3: the center of this discussion. I mean, this is the

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Speaker 3: problems in Alice Springs have been deteriorating for years, and

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Speaker 3: You've been dragged screaming and kicking. The people of Alice

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Speaker 6: They can fix it. They could fix this in one day.

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Speaker 6: They put on this band and get it sorted and

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Speaker 6: then go and look at the review. Because this is

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Speaker 6: you right now, this is coming to Darling. The stuff

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Speaker 6: it makes me angry.

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Speaker 2: I've been here my whole life.

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Speaker 6: I've got my family here and I don't want my

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Speaker 6: go down the Googler because the Labor government have just

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Speaker 2: They're trying to do is save themselves.

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Speaker 6: They're trying to work out speed, trying to make sure

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Speaker 6: US failed Alice Springs and they're going to fail all

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Speaker 5: Let's just remember that the Northern Territory government, a third

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Speaker 5: This is why we're in this position because obviously they're

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Speaker 4: To take you to a point.

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Speaker 1: So on Monday, I interviewed the Chief Minister and I

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Speaker 1: Now I understand that there needs to be obviously with them,

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Speaker 4: Few layers here.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about you know the situation that we've got

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Speaker 1: with crime. You're talking about kids rohaming the streets, but

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Speaker 1: and if the safety of women and children is in jeopardy,

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Speaker 1: I do not understand why they're not being spoken to

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Speaker 5: So that is hersh o Katie. We're in government, so

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Speaker 5: you have know people like Derel. You have a large

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Speaker 5: number of agencies who are in Central Australia and of

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Speaker 5: course they're talking to people. So Marian doesn't have necessarily

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Speaker 5: the past, she's spoken to people on the ground, but

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Speaker 5: there's said Torell Anderson, the team of people that she's

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Speaker 3: But you know which, Abson doesn't agree with you either,

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Speaker 3: though she's come out saying exact opposite to your political

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Speaker 3: been born and bred in Central Australia. She's been listening

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Speaker 5: So first of all, Katie, absolutely, we're on the ground

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Speaker 5: But I think one of the things that we people

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Speaker 5: that was the decision around making sure that we didn't

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Speaker 4: We're going to make.

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Speaker 1: Sure I might just have to manage these microphones. But look,

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Speaker 1: You've got, You've got am sand who have said that

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Speaker 4: There's just a few.

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Speaker 6: Getting the balance these people's choice to be able to

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Speaker 4: Have a back to that point.

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Speaker 1: And so you have actually got these really strong voices

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Speaker 4: Why did we put the cart before the harnment lied?

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Speaker 3: They said that they did consultations with all these living

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Speaker 5: It just did not happen.

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Speaker 3: And I dispute whether even the consultation proper consultation occurred

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Speaker 4: It's just so I want to just ask.

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Speaker 5: So this is this is why let's this is why

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Speaker 1: Does the cabinet agree the caucus agree with that?

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Speaker 5: Well, it is about because we're in this situation where

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Speaker 5: Having a vote then you can.

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Speaker 3: Get waste of time and make.

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Speaker 1: So looking back on things now, was ending the strongest

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Speaker 4: The right thing for the government to do.

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Speaker 5: You'd have to ask the Federal the Federal Coalition who

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Speaker 1: The Northern Ertary government though it didn't have the opportunity

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Speaker 3: It was the biggest mistake you've ever made. It's probably

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Speaker 6: Just remember the week after Stronger Futures there was like

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Speaker 6: It's just an absolute mistake, and you've got to remember

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Speaker 2: They do not have a choice.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: There is a lot to discuss and when we come back,

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Speaker 1: You are listening to mix What four nine, three sixty

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Speaker 1: this morning, is the Treasurer of the Northern Territory, Eva Laula.

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Speaker 1: We've got the Independent member Farara lun Robin Lamley and

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Speaker 4: If you missed it, take a listen.

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Speaker 7: One of the tasks of the Central Australian Regional Controller

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Speaker 7: I have contacted the Police Commissioner to say I expect

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Speaker 1: So that was the Chief Minister on the show earlier

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Speaker 4: But it was clunky.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the Labor government blaming everyone else but themselves.

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Speaker 6: They're the ones that the policy is. They're the ones

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Speaker 6: I'm talking about the crime. I'm talking about the human

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Speaker 3: Simple and the only person who should be stepping up

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Speaker 4: Well look she did obviously apologize.

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Speaker 5: weeks for Natasha and you know at times it's is

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Speaker 5: stressful when you're on media and you know, she said

441
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Speaker 5: that it wasn't the right thing to say, and I

442
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Speaker 5: think you know misconstrued what she was trying to say,

443
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Speaker 5: and which was we all need to get out there

444
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Speaker 5: and do what we need to do. So yeah, we

445
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Speaker 5: said we analyze every word that anybody ever says. I

446
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Speaker 5: think we've all been.

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Speaker 3: You know that.

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Speaker 1: In addition, it really did sort of get the traction

449
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Speaker 1: and the attention was because of the fact that then

450
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Speaker 1: the Police Minister, Kate Warden, was photographed from over her

451
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Speaker 1: shoulder reading a document titled Frontline Staff Reductions to meet

452
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Government savings targets. So it was a snippet

453
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Speaker 1: from that document appeared to show potential budget cuts of

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Speaker 1: sixteen million dollars to the Northern Territory Police Foreign Emergency

455
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Speaker 1: Services over the next two years, and another thirty one

456
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Speaker 1: million dollars cut to funding was proposed for the services

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Speaker 1: over twenty twenty seven and twenty eight. You know, I've

458
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Speaker 1: got to say that, you know there it would be

459
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Speaker 1: a lot of people questioning how we could cut, you know,

460
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Speaker 1: our resourcing to the Northern Territory Police at this point

461
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Speaker 1: when they are doing an unbelievable amount of work to

462
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Speaker 1: try and keep territory in safe.

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Speaker 2: How embarrassing for the Labor government.

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Speaker 6: And like anyone with any sense would read the first

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Speaker 6: line that document and ShredIt you won't even consider it,

466
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Speaker 6: look at the problem of having and that this is

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Speaker 6: a document and I know that the ministers come out

468
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Speaker 6: and said, oh, it's the government department, telling us, well,

469
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Speaker 6: do you read that it's to the cabinet from the minister.

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Speaker 6: So it's not from the department, it's from her to

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Speaker 6: the cabinet. So she tried to use this excuse that ultimately, oh,

472
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Speaker 6: it's just the government department. She would have requested it.

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Speaker 6: She had the document from her to the cap So,

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Speaker 6: like I said, anyone of any sense, would you shred

475
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Speaker 6: that document?

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Speaker 5: You've got no idea how government works. So as treasury though,

477
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Speaker 5: we can all read you got caught out, you got

478
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Speaker 5: caught you got caught no way, Jared. So let's explain.

479
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Speaker 5: So the budget. So this is the budget process. So

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Speaker 5: of course I'm treasurer. I've asked and so it wasn't

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Speaker 5: Katie or I mean, wasn't Kate or anybody else asking

482
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Speaker 5: when we start and was starting the budget process. I

483
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Speaker 5: think that memo was from late last year. So I

484
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Speaker 5: go to every agency as Treasurer and work with the

485
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Speaker 5: under treasurer and say in the budget preparation time, because

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Speaker 5: at the same time you're getting lots of budget bids

487
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Speaker 5: from agencies. You then say to the agencies, as a treasurer,

488
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Speaker 5: I want you to find any efficiencies I want you

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Speaker 5: to find. Are there any ways that you can introduce

490
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Speaker 5: technology to make savings? Are there any additional revenue measures?

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Speaker 5: Are there any external funds that you can access a

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Speaker 5: i e. Going to the federal government. So we asked

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Speaker 5: that of every agency, because of course, as a treasurer,

494
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Speaker 5: I want to see, you know, agencies to be fiscal responsible.

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Speaker 5: So that's then a paper that was produced by police

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Speaker 5: and that went to Kate. It didn't I haven't seen

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Speaker 5: that document. Kate didn't agree with that and that and

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Speaker 5: you know, let's face it, it's great that she's actually

499
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Speaker 5: working while she's in the quats club. Plenty of other

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Speaker 5: people drink alcohol and things.

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Speaker 3: Thet you're contemplating cuts to frontline public means, so then

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Speaker 3: you can, however you want.

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Speaker 5: Just let's just see the rest of us. So then

504
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Speaker 5: Kate obviously read that document. She then didn't agree with that.

505
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Speaker 5: She passed it back to the police. But as treasurer,

506
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Speaker 5: we then gather As treasure we then gather all that

507
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Speaker 5: information that comes from agencies around you know, efficiencies or

508
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Speaker 5: any suggestions that around things that they can do, programs

509
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Speaker 5: or that may not have an evidence space that may

510
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Speaker 5: not need to continue. Can we meet at budget Cabinet

511
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Speaker 5: which will be happening in March, and that's when those

512
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Speaker 5: decisions are made around those, you know, whatever measures they are.

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Speaker 1: Can we rule out cuts of sixteen million dollars to

514
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Speaker 1: the Northern Terrantory Police Foreign Emergency Services?

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Speaker 5: So the police, Let's be really clear. Police have had

516
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Speaker 5: about one hundred million, and people can go back and

517
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Speaker 5: have a look at the budget papers. Police have had

518
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Speaker 5: an increase of about one hundred million. Their budgets since

519
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Speaker 5: we've been in government. See budget's about five hundred and

520
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Speaker 5: ten million, five hundred and ten million dollars, so they

521
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Speaker 5: have a substantial budget. But you know, they're the discussions

522
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Speaker 5: and there that's what happens in budget cabinet. You make

523
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Speaker 5: those decisions around that. But those figures sixteen and thirty

524
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Speaker 5: one or whatever it was, I've never seen those figures,

525
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Speaker 5: never had those ass of those of the agency at all.

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Speaker 5: It was something that was generated from the agency. Said

527
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Speaker 5: it wasn't approvedrocess. She said it wasn't approved, So he's

528
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Speaker 5: not telling the truth. It wasn't approved by Kate's to

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Speaker 5: come to bud It never got to go any further.

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Speaker 3: Mists are contemplating cutting frontline services in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 3: public service. And that's the message from that leaps document

532
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Speaker 3: the way you want.

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Speaker 5: It's a fact as treasurer considering cauestions reasons around them,

534
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Speaker 5: and you know the frontline may be in the administration area. Well, look,

535
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Speaker 5: it's a fiscally responsible government does that every agency where

536
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Speaker 5: they can make savings.

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Speaker 1: So it's at the same time that we're asking the

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Speaker 1: federal government for more, you know, for more money to

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Speaker 1: deal with the issues that we've got ahol with alcohol

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Speaker 1: and other issues in Alice Springs. And I think that

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Speaker 1: first and foremost a lot of people can see that

542
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police are dealing with the ramifications right now.

543
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Speaker 1: Have some pretty bad policy settings, to be blunt about it,

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Speaker 1: from the Northern Territory government when it comes to alcohol.

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Speaker 3: Hosted so much money either over the last six and

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Speaker 3: a half years on things that have delivered nothing to territorians.

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Speaker 3: And now you're in a position we've never seen before.

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Speaker 3: We have so much dared, your deficit is out of control,

549
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Speaker 3: and so you're looking at cutting frontline services.

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Speaker 5: That is the true picture. You just have to wait

551
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Speaker 5: till the budget comes down and you'll see that what

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Speaker 5: the decisions. But as I said, trust to the treasure

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Speaker 5: Well that's what a treasurer does. You were treasurer for

554
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Speaker 5: six months. Treasure you absolutely as agencies where they can

555
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Speaker 5: make savings because on one hand you'll have every agency

556
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Speaker 5: asking you for new things. Things that for the new

557
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Speaker 5: then whether that's a new suit blown, it's it's more

558
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Speaker 5: you have to make. So you always have asks that

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Speaker 5: come in from agencies and of course you ask them

560
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Speaker 5: what efficiencies, where is the evidence around some of the programs.

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Speaker 5: Can you seek external funding? That's what.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 6: What you're saying, it's a load of rubbish. Why don't

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Speaker 6: you just release the document released?

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Speaker 2: We are doing to take a break.

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Speaker 4: We're going to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three

568
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Speaker 1: sixty are of course listening to the week that was

569
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Speaker 1: right here on Mix one O four nine. But we

570
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Speaker 1: did here earlier in the week that it was a

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Speaker 1: situation where the motocross the Australian Junior Motocross Championships had

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Speaker 1: to be moved from Alice Springs due to safety concerns.

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Speaker 1: In some good news that is now going to be

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Speaker 1: happening up here in the top end, so not lost

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Speaker 1: from the northern territory. But we did catch up with

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Speaker 1: well with the crew from down there a little earlier

577
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Speaker 1: in the week, and they had spoken about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the fact that it was really difficult, a really really

579
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Speaker 1: difficult decision to be made, but fundamentally they had to

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Speaker 1: make sure that people traveling from into state that it

581
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Speaker 1: was that they were safe, that people were safe and

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Speaker 1: able to take part. I've no doubt that it would

583
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Speaker 1: have been a hit to the community of Katie.

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Speaker 3: It was a blow. I mean trying to convince people,

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Speaker 3: particularly for me, to stay, to come to Alice Springs

586
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Speaker 3: after what's been exposed over the line us a couple

587
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Speaker 3: of weeks nationally in terms of crime and problems in

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Speaker 3: the town is going to be a real challenge. And

589
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Speaker 3: as Jared said earlier in the program, our tourism industry

590
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Speaker 3: will suffer. It is suffering, and this is the first

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Speaker 3: big blow we've had since the recent attention.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we're going to wind up in a

593
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Speaker 1: situation either where things like Pachama or things like the

594
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Speaker 1: Fink or other major events could end up in jeopardy

595
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Speaker 1: if we like if we can't get into a situation

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Speaker 1: where where people are feeling safe and they're feeling safe

597
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Speaker 1: to travel back here.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, that's not what government wants. You know, of course,

599
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Speaker 5: going to happen a few years ago.

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Speaker 2: You've got the leaders to fix it.

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Speaker 5: Just to assure listeners, the government works every single day

602
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Speaker 5: to make sure that, you know, there is no crime.

603
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Speaker 5: A good day is when there's no crime across the territory.

604
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Speaker 5: So absolutely it's hard work and it's constant work for

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Speaker 5: the government to do that. We you know, I lived

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Speaker 5: in Alice. Alice is a fantastic town, of beautiful town.

607
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Speaker 5: It's a lovely place. People who live there just you know,

608
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Speaker 5: adore the landscape and enjoy that living there. So of

609
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 5: course we want to make sure that we have those

610
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Speaker 5: amazing events happening in Alice Springs, that tourism's you know,

611
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Speaker 5: really thriving, and I mean we've seen that, We've put

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Speaker 5: in money for the Marine Loop, a new tourist information center.

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Speaker 5: They're the things that we want to see in Alis.

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Speaker 5: So of course we'll work.

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Speaker 4: I understand about it.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 1: Even towards the end of last year, we had Daniel Rochford,

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Speaker 1: the CEO of Tourism Central Australia on the show, and

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Speaker 1: he was really distressed and had said, you know, Katie, we.

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Speaker 4: Are in a state of emergency. And that was towards

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Speaker 4: the end of last year, and.

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Speaker 1: I feel as though his concerns were really not listened

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Speaker 1: to in the way that they should have been. And

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Speaker 1: now we've wound up in a situation where this has

625
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Speaker 1: become a national embarrassment and it has become a national

626
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Speaker 1: shame for us.

627
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Speaker 4: Where it is it like it is.

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Speaker 1: It's a very real problem that it's impacting tourism right now.

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Speaker 5: Katie's concerned will listened to. So there was additional police

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Speaker 5: operations put in Alice Springs fever. Okay, forty police.

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Speaker 3: Isn't I told you it wasn't enough. But I'm just

632
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Speaker 3: going to say platitudes we Springs. It's a great to

633
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Speaker 3: hear it from you all. You've neglected the town for years.

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Speaker 5: Just saying there were things that your programs put in,

635
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Speaker 5: so there were additional.

636
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Speaker 4: Resources in time.

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Speaker 1: We don't feel as though the government doesn't feel as

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Speaker 1: though it's a very real possibility that any of those

639
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Speaker 1: events are going to be uh, you know that they're

640
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Speaker 1: going to be a struggle to put on.

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Speaker 3: Of course, what a load of rubbi. It's scared to

642
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Speaker 3: come to Alice Springs. Either I own it, take responsibility.

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Speaker 6: People bring these really expensive cars or motorbikes Fowler Springs

644
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Speaker 6: either have it stolen or vanalyze or destroyed. These things

645
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Speaker 6: are they're prime and enjoy it and they go in

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Speaker 6: the town.

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Speaker 3: Did Alice Springs for years you and your hopeless Darwin

648
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Speaker 3: centric government and he's talking the town then.

649
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Speaker 2: Actually, government an embarrassment.

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Speaker 4: I actually really disappointed to hear that.

651
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Speaker 1: I've got to say, I you know, I will I

652
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Speaker 1: will say that last year in Parliament there were questions

653
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Speaker 1: asked by Robin on the floor of Parliament about the

654
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Speaker 1: concerns in Alice Springs. There were things raised in Alice

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Speaker 1: Springs and it actually it was upsetting to hear the

656
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government say stop talking the territory down because

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Speaker 1: right now we're in a situation where it has become

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Speaker 1: a national shame job for us. The situation that is

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Speaker 1: unfolding and that continues to unfold in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 4: I think it's it is. It is absolutely terrible to me.

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Speaker 8: You're taking response every day, every day of delay having

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Speaker 8: an effect on somebody every day that a delay is

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Speaker 8: affecting people right across the territory and especially in Alice

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Speaker 8: Brow There is just so embarrassing would.

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Speaker 5: Work to the situation in Alice Springs, and it is

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Speaker 5: about making sure that events like the Fink, like Patchoma

667
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Speaker 5: can be safe for visitors and will constantly work to

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Speaker 5: make sure of that.

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Speaker 1: We've you know, just while we're talking, we've got people

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Speaker 1: who are messaging in saying, if you know, why didn't

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Speaker 1: the government just get some additional support from the Australian

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Speaker 1: Federal Police in Alice Springs. Why wasn't there any look

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Speaker 1: at things like a curfew? You'd had people on to

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Speaker 1: talk about the security with the canines.

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Speaker 4: Why wasn't that looked at?

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Speaker 1: You know, like there is, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in contact with us, and I've got to tell you

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Speaker 1: not many of them are happy with the response at

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Speaker 1: this point in time or don't feel as though, you know,

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Speaker 1: enough was done when it was raised critically towards the

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Speaker 1: end of last year.

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Speaker 4: So I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Either. I get that you were saying that the government's

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Speaker 1: done different little things or different things, not little things,

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Speaker 1: different things.

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Speaker 5: But for the additional police and parmesan would be a

687
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Speaker 5: great story for us.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, it'd be a good thing.

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Speaker 1: But you know, even with the alcohol situation, why were

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Speaker 1: we in a situation where it took you know, the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister traveling to Alice Springs before there wasn't some

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Speaker 1: serious action taken on alcohol.

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Speaker 5: Because Katie, as I said, the Stronger Futures legislation was

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Speaker 5: a federal legislation. It ended in July. The consultation, the

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Speaker 5: conversations with people was about how do we move away

696
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Speaker 5: from what was the intervention where we had a race

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Speaker 5: based policy.

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Speaker 1: How do we have.

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Speaker 5: Something else where families where people can drink in their homes.

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Speaker 5: How can we have normalized those town camps so that

701
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Speaker 5: we and that was our original goal of the Alice

702
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Speaker 5: Springs Transformation Plan which was twenty ten, twenty eleven, twenty twelve,

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Speaker 5: how do we make those town camps just like another

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Speaker 5: suburb in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 6: Do you accept that you failed that though? Do you

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Speaker 6: accepted that as failed and now Alice Springs is hurting?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, we do that, of course, we understand what these show.

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Speaker 6: You accept that you've made a mistake and you've failed

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Speaker 6: territory and you failed people Alice Springs and now native

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Speaker 6: opportunity to stick it, and you're delaying it.

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Speaker 5: Do you accept that we're not delaying that decision. We

712
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Speaker 5: are we have put in place actually, or even if

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Speaker 5: it was even if it was changed tomorrow, it still

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Speaker 5: needs to be a change of legislation. And whether that's federal.

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Speaker 1: Legilation, well, I guess at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: it's probably going to reach a point now where regardless

717
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Speaker 1: it is going to have to depending on exactly.

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Speaker 5: The Discrimination Act of some sort or a section of that.

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Speaker 5: That's sure. Okay, Well let's.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's say let's take actually, before we take a

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Speaker 1: bit of a break, I do just want to go

722
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Speaker 1: back to the Motocross Championships. So we're in a situation

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Speaker 1: now where they were indeed canceled from Alice Springs or

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Speaker 1: moved from Alice Springs. But in good news, the organizers

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Speaker 1: have been able to make sure that they're able to

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Speaker 1: happen up here in the top end. I do want

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Speaker 1: to say that if you are a motocross fan, if

728
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Speaker 1: you are somebody who wants to support a great junior

729
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Speaker 1: sport as well, they are indeed looking for sponsors and

730
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Speaker 1: they are looking for that support. So if you're out

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Speaker 1: there listening and you're a business owner and you think

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Speaker 1: that that's something that you might be able to get

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Speaker 1: in contact with us, we can point you in contact

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Speaker 1: with those with the crew to be able to make

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Speaker 1: that happen. But I'm really pleased that those kids that

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Speaker 1: are involved are still going to be able to take

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Speaker 1: part in that spook because I know it was going

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Speaker 1: to be tough. It hadn't been held in Alos since

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, so it is a good thing that

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Speaker 1: it's still able to happen in the Northern Territory, even

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Speaker 1: though it's a loss for Alice Springs. Well, take a

742
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Speaker 1: bit of a break. You are listening to Mix one

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Speaker 1: O four nine's three sixty. There has been so much

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Speaker 1: to discuss throughout the week, but I do want to

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Speaker 1: just talk about the fact that there has been an

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Speaker 1: awful lot of cancelations on the bus network. More than

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty top end services have been canceled

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Speaker 1: in a single day. It had raised doubts about whether

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Speaker 1: the kids were going to make it to the classroom.

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Speaker 1: I understand that there is a driver shortage at the

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Speaker 1: moment isn't.

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Speaker 5: There, so they did, you know, and that prioritize so's

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Speaker 5: you know, it is a private company CDC, lordn Terurchy,

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Speaker 5: Government DIP will have a contract with CDC which they're

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Speaker 5: managing very tightly because we've been highly concerned around the

756
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Speaker 5: cancer of routes. You know, it is not acceptable to

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Speaker 5: have that cancelation of routes. And but that said, there

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Speaker 5: is a bus driver shortage across Australia and you know

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Speaker 5: it does hark back to COVID as much as we

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Speaker 5: may not like you know, we've all moved on from COVID.

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Speaker 5: There was lack of migration for a couple of years

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Speaker 5: and some of the drivers that that was a lack

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Speaker 5: of numbers. So they are short of drivers. CDC have

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Speaker 5: assured Government that they have a recruitment campaign underway. They've

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Speaker 5: even actually been flying drivers up. But the other one,

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Speaker 5: I would just actually like to thank the drivers who

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Speaker 5: are there because some of them are volunteering doing extra

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Speaker 5: hours filling gap. So to all the drivers who are

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Speaker 5: really doing far more than their shifts, thank you very

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Speaker 5: much for doing that. But the priority was schools. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: it isn't a good situation.

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Speaker 7: To be in.

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Speaker 5: We want to see more more drivers. So again, if

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Speaker 5: you're someone out there looking, they're tackling into the gray

775
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Speaker 5: nomad market as well to see if they can get

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Speaker 5: people short term as well into bus driving. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: if you're interested in being a bus driver, I always.

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Speaker 1: Think, and I know this is a federal discussion, not

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Speaker 1: one really for us in here, but I always think,

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Speaker 1: you know, why don't you let people who are on

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Speaker 1: the pension, why don't they let them work a few

782
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Speaker 1: more hours and make a bit more money, because then

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Speaker 1: it might be that they could do a job like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, you might have a granddad who's a great

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Speaker 1: you know, brus driver and do the bus, you know.

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Speaker 6: And but you know, one of the big problems in

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Speaker 6: my view is that these bus drivers don't want to

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Speaker 6: work because they become victims of crime.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's just another result of the Labour's failed crime policy

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Speaker 6: right across the charity. Because you're in a bus and

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Speaker 6: we know that there's lots of antisocial behavior, and I

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Speaker 6: saw some videos and just this week one of my

794
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Speaker 6: constituents contacted me and I put.

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Speaker 2: The little child on the bus or on the bus stop.

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Speaker 2: The bus didn't come.

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Speaker 6: For twenty minutes and they got attacked by the neighbor's dog.

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Speaker 6: So there's there's a direct consequence of someone getting hurt.

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Speaker 6: Because the crime rate is there, the bus drivers don't

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Speaker 6: want to work because they become.

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Speaker 2: Victims of crime. It's just a flow on effect. It

802
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Speaker 2: just goes around and around and around.

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Speaker 5: It's yeah. So again, Jared, we've done a lot of

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Speaker 5: work around making sure our bus drivers are safe. So

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Speaker 5: you know, we're bought in as minister, I've brought in

806
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Speaker 5: the highest level, brought in more legislation. We have bought

807
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Speaker 5: in K ninees at bus stops, at bus interchanges as well,

808
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Speaker 5: so we'll yeah, constantly working to make sure our buses

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Speaker 5: are safe and we want to see more people on buses.

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Speaker 1: I did have a listener question, actually, a few listeners

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Speaker 1: got in contact with me during the week about those

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Speaker 1: fan dangle signs, those very big, expensive signs that went

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Speaker 1: up and the fact that they didn't have the detail

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Speaker 1: of a pretty significant crash that had happened earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week notifying people on those signs so that they

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Speaker 1: were aware of any delays.

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Speaker 4: Why was that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I asked that question too, because it was

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Speaker 5: coming in from Palmerston and it was the along McMillan's

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Speaker 5: road there, so it's a back entrance into Robinson Barracks.

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Speaker 5: So DIPPLE have advised me that there is no CCTV

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Speaker 5: in that area and so they weren't actually able to

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Speaker 5: get that information around the crash. So we'll work more

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Speaker 5: closely or DIPPLE will work more closely with police to

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Speaker 5: get police to notify so that they get the information

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Speaker 5: from other sources not just relying on And if you've

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Speaker 5: ever been into Highway House, there's a myriad of CCTVs there,

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Speaker 5: so pretty much every intersection Northern Territory. I've stood there.

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Speaker 5: I've seen the Larapintra intersection even from Darwin. So they

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Speaker 5: watch all the intersections and have that information. But there

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Speaker 5: there was no They were not getting a feed of information.

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Speaker 5: So we need to actually rely on just a phone

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Speaker 5: call from police literally around that to get to update

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Speaker 5: that information. So probably a bit of a glitch in

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Speaker 5: the communication around that.

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Speaker 4: But it is possible for them to have that detail. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: there is so.

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Speaker 5: Usually as I said, it's the guys that are people

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Speaker 5: that are in that operation area. So what they do

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Speaker 5: is they watch the traffic lights intersection. So if they

841
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Speaker 5: can see that there is an issue at any intersection,

842
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Speaker 5: they are able to get repair people out or whatever else.

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Speaker 5: But that information also feeds into the visual message boards.

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Speaker 5: But in this instance it was on that back road

845
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Speaker 5: or the McMillan's road and that back entrance and they

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Speaker 5: didn't get info. So we do need to access day

847
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Speaker 5: work and just have the old traditional send a message

848
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Speaker 5: or a phone from police to provide that information to

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Speaker 5: DIPPLE so they can update that.

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Speaker 6: I think the feeling is that those signed a complete

851
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Speaker 6: waste of money.

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Speaker 4: Well that's on the street.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Australia wide and it was initiative and pushed

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Speaker 5: from the federal government around road safety.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we are going to have to wrap

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Speaker 1: up for this morning. Thank you all so very much

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Speaker 1: for your time. Jared Mailey, the Deputy Opposition Later, thank

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Speaker 1: you for your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Katie, Thank you listeners.

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Speaker 1: Robin Lamley, the Independent member for our Lund, thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us from Alice Springs today, my pleasure. And

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Speaker 1: Eva Lula, the Treasurer of the Northern Territory, thank you

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Speaker 1: for your time today. Very much.

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Speaker 2: Katie