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Speaker 1: Now, as you've heard, over the last couple of days,

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Speaker 1: there have been quite a few issues bubbling along around

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Speaker 1: the Casarina area, and on the weekend we learned about

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Speaker 1: youths allegedly assaulting other youths and running a mark really

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Speaker 1: in that Casarina area. Now it is a concern that

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Speaker 1: the new owners of Casarina Square are spending a lot

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Speaker 1: of time and a lot of money trying to combat.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line right now is Sentinel

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Speaker 1: Property Groups Development Director Greg Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Greg. Morning Katie, how are you

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Speaker 2: really well?

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time this morning, Greg. There has been

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Speaker 1: a lot happening at Casarina Square lately when it comes

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Speaker 1: to some of those issues with crime.

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Speaker 2: What's been Sentinel's response to all of this, Well.

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Speaker 3: The two fronts, really, Katie. Is one is on the

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Speaker 3: security side. We've leafed up with security with more security

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Speaker 3: personnel and the introduction of the dog patrol. And then

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Speaker 3: the other avenue is working with the local community and

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Speaker 3: the police and other statutory authorities at a social level.

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Speaker 1: And so just talk us through when it comes to,

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Speaker 1: you know, to beefing up security and also those dog patrols.

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Speaker 1: What measures have been implemented or what have you had

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Speaker 3: Well, the dog patrols have been a huge success. All

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Speaker 3: all they really do is just walk around and at

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Speaker 3: the sight of the side of the dogs, anybody that's

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Speaker 3: causing trouble just tends to walk away, whereas previously they

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Speaker 3: might confront a security guarden that could lead to violence.

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Speaker 3: We've had examples of that, and then the security guards

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Speaker 3: has gone back and another guards walk around with the

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Speaker 3: dogs and the trouble makers have just cleared off without

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Speaker 3: any further incident. So yeah, it's working a treat. Ninety

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Speaker 3: nine percent of the people love it, and I guess

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Speaker 3: if you're the one percent that's causing the problem, then

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Speaker 3: you don't like it.

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Speaker 2: No, well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And Greg, you know, it sounds like it's been a

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Speaker 1: good thing to implement at the center.

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Speaker 2: Is it a costly measure.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure, it's all increase in security. Is

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Speaker 3: it additional cost which we have to bear and the

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Speaker 3: tenants there have to bear. Cleaning the car park underneath

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Speaker 3: costs ten thousand dollars a month, just all the experiments

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Speaker 1: Wow, ten thousand dollars a month just on cleaning in

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Speaker 1: those car parks. Yes, Greg, that must be I mean

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Speaker 1: that's a huge impult on any business.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, That's why we've got to deal with the problem.

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Speaker 3: As I say, it's on two fronts. One is through

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Speaker 1: I mean, it must be a concern to you guys

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Speaker 3: Of course, there's well violence of any levels of concern.

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Speaker 3: The fact that they're doing it to each other is

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Speaker 3: a problem. Perhaps they'll grow up with that attitude, but

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Speaker 3: they're also doing it to other customers, you know, elderly

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Speaker 3: just something we won't tolerate. The safety of families, it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg, when you talk about, you know, the work

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Speaker 2: How are things tracking along in that space?

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Speaker 3: Oh, very good. The reception we've had up here in

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Speaker 3: Darlan has just been outstanding compared to other states and territories.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's wanting to work with us. We're very proactive company.

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Speaker 3: So we're up here every three weeks. And when I

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And the response has been very, very good.

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Speaker 1: Now, when it comes to those discussions then that you

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Speaker 3: Well, what they say to us is that it's intolerable

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Speaker 1: And where is where are things that when it comes to,

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Speaker 3: Well, we've got just two weeks ago, got approval and

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Speaker 3: By moving it out to the front, we put some

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Speaker 3: distance between any that may occur from the from the interchange,

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Speaker 3: it gives us time to intercept that and deal with

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Speaker 2: And Greg, you said, where we're at now?

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Speaker 3: Where at that we've got that approval of principle and

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Speaker 3: then that goes through. It's still going to go through

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Speaker 3: the development application procedure and public exhibition and the normal

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Speaker 3: statutory process you go through.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so still quite an arduous process by the sounds

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Speaker 3: It's from the Department of Infrastructure and Planning. So it's

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Speaker 3: been worked out with them, the bus companies so that

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Speaker 3: you know, we're not lodging an application trying to guess

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Speaker 3: what's going to work and what people want. We've spent

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Speaker 3: five months meeting with the various agencies and council as well,

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Speaker 3: as well. It affects them because they're down that end.

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Speaker 3: They're about to on the basis of this, they're going

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Speaker 3: a lot hangs on relocating the interchange.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if that, if that interchange does relocate, we're

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Speaker 1: going to see a full redevelopment of Woolworth Supermarket by

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Speaker 1: through where exactly it will be relocated to, because I

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Speaker 1: you know, exactly what the movement would mean or where

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to go out onto trail road of

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Speaker 3: the car park, so it'll run parallel to the main

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Speaker 1: And how long do you anticipate that it's going to

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Speaker 3: The development application process is expected to take about six

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Speaker 3: traffic impact assessments, so that'll take quite a few weeks.

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Speaker 3: And then we launched the full application and then it

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Speaker 3: goes through the statutory process, it gets lodged, the Development

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And from your perspective, how big a difference do

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Speaker 1: the center is experiencing.

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Speaker 3: It'll make a big difference. It takes any trouble away

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Speaker 3: it actually gets into the center and the text customers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you reckon that there'll be much of an

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. Dipple and counsel everybody, the police,

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Speaker 3: everybody's very conscious of what the problem is. And when

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Speaker 3: we do relocate it, we'll be building it in a

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Speaker 3: You know, they'll be fences up and things like that

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Speaker 2: Greg, we really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: We are going to be catching up with the Lord

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Speaker 1: Mayor of Darwin convat Scalas a little bit later this morning,

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Speaker 1: so we'll ask him as well about that that that

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Speaker 1: move to the Casuarina bus exchange. I really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: having a chat with us today. Thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for your time.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome, Katie, thank you you too.