1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: As you would have heard last week, Labour's member Filling 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Yari last week made headlines after saying that youth justice 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: laws need to stop treating criminal miners as little angels 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: and start applying tough love to lawless children now. In 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: what was considered quite an extraordinary intervention against Labour's handling 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: off the Northern Territory youth crime crisis, Marian's Grimjaw said 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: that authorities need to stop pussy footing around on juveniles 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: and that the decision to raise the age of criminal 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: responsibilities not working and that it's time for parents to 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: be held accountable for their children's actions. So is the 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: Northern Territory government pussy footing around on youth crime? Well, 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister, Evia Laula joins me in the studio. 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: Good morning to your chief Monaster, Chief Minister. Even more 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: crime Unfortunately overnight this time for youths have been arrested 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: following a stolen car chase through Darwin. Police called off 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: two pursuits in Palmeston and Darwin City before the vehicle 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: was brought to a standstill using spikes in Casarina in 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: the early hours of the small. Charges are yet to 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: be laid. Meantime, police are investigating a link to another 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: incident in Casarina early this morning where a Domino's worker 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: was held up with a team demanding the keys to 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: their vehicle and striking the employee with a steel bar 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: when they refuse to hand them over. Now that work 24 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: has been taken to Royal Dalen Hospital with minor injuries 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: while the offender fled, Chief Minister, is the government doing 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: enough to tackle this issue which is plaguing the Northern territory? 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 2: Absolutely shocking incidents as just yeah, nobody wants to see 28 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 2: those or hear about those incidents. It's a terrible situation 29 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 2: when you hear about those on a Monday morning and 30 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: I'm like everybody else thinking that, absolutely, we don't want that, 31 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: and we really do need to make sure that these 32 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: people who are perpetrating these crimes understand that there is 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: consequences and there will be consequences for their actions. And yeah, 34 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: we don't want people doing that. We want territories to 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: be feel safe. We want somebody who's going about their 36 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: daily work to feel safe. 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, Chief Minister, is your government pussy footing around 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: this issue? As Marion Scrimgeorde said last week. 39 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: No, we're not pussy footing around it. I mean, obviously 40 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: we work very closely with Marion. You know, we work 41 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: and keep our federal counterparts informed. On the day that 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: Marion made those comments, I actually was in Alice Springs. 43 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: I was opening the new youth detention facility in Alice 44 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: Springs and the new youth just Detention facility in Darwin 45 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: will be opened in the middle of the year. And 46 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: you know, the message loud and clear when we're there 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: talking to the people on the ground at the youth 48 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: detention facility was around this is the end of the 49 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 2: line for these kids. This is when they're in considerable 50 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: trouble basically, but we also need to make sure then 51 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: that they don't become super criminals, that we get them 52 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: on the pathway to getting an education, pathway to employment. 53 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: Also to identify if they have fetal alcohol or any 54 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: of them those things to get them onto an NDIS 55 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: plan so that they can have a better life. So, no, 56 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 2: not pussy footing around. Will continue to work with marrying 57 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 2: one of those. 58 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: Last week, we did report on that situation in Alice 59 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: Springs where juveniles allegedly stole a car and then took 60 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: it on a joy ride through the streets. I mean, 61 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: we're hearing a similar situation now from over the weekend 62 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: in Alice. That incident was well reported in the Australian newspaper. 63 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: The police located and apprehended four youths aged between ten 64 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: and thirteen following that incident. The two eleven year olds 65 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: and the ten year old were conveyed to their homes 66 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: and reportedly handed over to a responsible adult. Does that 67 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: seem reasonable to you? 68 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: So, Lim Mendez the Australian journal I spoke to him 69 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: when I was in Alice Springs and he told me 70 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: the story of the family because he then met with 71 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: the family. That any child under twelve goes into our 72 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: on track program, so there will be support through territory 73 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: families getting that child back on track to education as well. 74 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, both of those children should not have been 75 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: on the street. But I think we need to make 76 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: sure that there is those wrap around services around them, 77 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: but to get them and turn their lives around so 78 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: that they then don't end up at the youth detention facility. 79 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: Look, and this is where a lot of people are 80 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: at at the moment. You know, last week, we also 81 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: reported on an incident in the Northern Suburbs which saw 82 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: a person allegedly ambushed by youths with a machete after 83 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: pulling over to remove a bike from the middle of 84 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: the road. The person's car was stolen when that group 85 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: of youths one eleven held them up at knife point. 86 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: The eleven year old again was taken home to a 87 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: responsible adult. The others were bailed. Now, police told me 88 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: they worked within the legislative framework that they're given to 89 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: make that decision. But do you think that that's in 90 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: line with the public's expectations. 91 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: No, I think the public wants to see that anybody 92 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: who commits any crime in the Northern Territory understands that 93 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: they've done something that is apparent. It's wrong that people 94 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: don't want to see them then repeating those crimes. But 95 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: you know, Katie, this is part of the work that 96 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: we're doing, A much bigger picture work that we have 97 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: to do around getting kids on pathways to employment. So 98 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: these kids, I bet their attendance figures would be low. 99 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: So that's the work of government around getting these kids 100 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: into education but then on a pathway to home. 101 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean some of them are eleven years old, Like 102 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: you just think to yourself, it's so young. I've got 103 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: kids that are that age, and I know you've got grandkids. 104 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: We've spoken about this before. We all understand it's a 105 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: really complex and difficult situation. But we also can't have 106 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: kids walking around on the streets holding people up with 107 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: a machete. And that's where the community's at at the moment, 108 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: where they're going, what do you have to do to 109 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: not be bailed? If you can hold someone up with 110 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: a machete, can still be bailed. 111 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: So that was the work that I announced, I think 112 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 2: last time I was on Katie around those residential youth 113 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: justice facilities because at the moment you've got the detention centers, 114 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: you've got bail accommodation. We need this bit, that's the 115 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 2: bit before that, which is these resident mental youth justice facilities. 116 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: So some of these children that you're talking about, and 117 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: these young kids that it will provide the judges with 118 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: a different option for them. They are an opportunity for 119 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: these kids then to learn right from wrong and to 120 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: get on a better pathway. You know, they will need 121 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: to be there, they will be accommodation there, they'll be 122 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: you know, they'll be well fed, but also then around education, 123 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: training those skills, and that's a way to keep these 124 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: kids then to turn their lives around and get them 125 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 2: on a better pathway and to get them Often these 126 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: young kids we see are being easily led, it's often 127 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: the ones that are under twelve. My understanding is often 128 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: there's an older child that's leading them astray, a brother 129 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: or sister, your cousin or somebody. We need to make 130 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: sure that those younger kids then get you know, learn 131 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: right from wrong and aren't getting that just. 132 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: The does to be Does it need to be a 133 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: closer look though at the legislative framework that the Northern 134 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: Territory Police are working within. If we are in a 135 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: situation where kids and hold up somebody with a machete 136 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: and still be bailed. 137 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,559 Speaker 2: So yes, and that's the work that we talked about 138 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: that youth Justice review. So we're doing a comprehensive review 139 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: of the whole youth justice. 140 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: System until the end of this year. 141 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I mean it needs to be done properly 142 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: around that because we need to not just have you know, 143 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: we need to actually look at the Bail Act and 144 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: maybe it is that there's a separate Youth Bail Act, 145 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: So that might be the way that government goes. 146 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: The Chief Minister. 147 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: People are looking at this right now and they're going, 148 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: why do we have to wait until the end of 149 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: the year. Labour's been in for seven years. Why are 150 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: you now looking at this? 151 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: Because Coatie, I think people also expect things to be 152 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: done comprehensively rather than just tinkering around the edges. You 153 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: need to actually look at the big picture around each 154 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: of these. So it may be as I just mentioned 155 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: that you need to have a look at the whole 156 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: Youth Bail Act and I mean the Bail Act, and 157 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: maybe we need a separate Youth Bail Act. So that's 158 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: comprehensive work that we'll need to be done rather than 159 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: just looking at one aspect that we do need to 160 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: look at across the system. You know, what we need 161 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: to what we're doing is around that. You know, some 162 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: of the things that I've talked about previously, those youth 163 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: justice facilities that correspond to model is one that's been 164 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: really positively received and seems to be working. Where you 165 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: have the police and territory family. So if a young 166 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: person's picked up on the street at night, they're then 167 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: going into a home where they've got some care. They're 168 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: also then in the morning, there's the services that wrap 169 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: around them. The police review also will provide direction around 170 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: whether we need more resources. But Katie, all of these 171 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: incidentss all that you talk about. You know, absolutely the 172 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: police are on top of all of these. These kids 173 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: have been arrested, These young people have been arrested. Some 174 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: of them aren't young people. 175 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: I think people feel like, yes, the police are on 176 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: top of it, but somewhere, the system's letting us down, 177 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, Somewhere the system continues to allow the fact 178 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: that we've got these youths that are out on this 179 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: street running a mark. I mean from over the weekend. 180 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: What we've seen is horrendous. You know, some of the 181 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: incidents that we've seen are absolutely horrendous. 182 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: Agree, Katie, And you know, the system is, as we know, 183 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 2: families who are dysfunctional, families who are you know, on alcohol, 184 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: on drugs, alcohol, who aren't looking after their children, who 185 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: aren't bringing up their young people in the right way. 186 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: Territory Families continue to work with those families, take those 187 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 2: if they're you know, if they need to to take 188 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: those children away from those families. That's where it starts. 189 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 2: You know, we agree with marrying around family responsibilities. Families 190 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 2: do need to be responsible for these children. But to me, 191 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: we need to change. Then the big picture is getting adults, 192 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 2: getting people working, because there's too many Territorians who aren't working. 193 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: They get up in the morning and there you know, 194 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: sitting around not working. We need to get people to work, 195 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: which gets kids to school. So there's big picture work 196 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: that needs to be done, right Chief. 197 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: I'm very mindful of your time because I know you've 198 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: got to be out of here by nine point thirty. 199 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 3: But there's a few things I want to get through. 200 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: It's been a couple of weeks since you and I 201 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: last spoke, but I've really not had the opportunity to 202 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: ask you questions about the situation with Chancey Paik and 203 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: the Shares fiasco. There's been some well discrepancy around whether 204 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: he declared a conflict of interest before cabinet discussions around 205 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: the ceasing of stronger Futures legislation. I asked him about 206 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: this a number of times. He wouldn't directly answer the question, 207 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: and he did say that the stronger Futures legislation is 208 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: federal legislation. We all understand that, but did he declare 209 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: the conflict before discussions on this? 210 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: So, Katie I said, at the time, I wasn't aware 211 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: of whether he did or not. I mean, I probably 212 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: could not tell you. I wasn't the chair of Cabinet 213 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: at the time. I couldn't tell you whether Selena or 214 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: Nari or Kate or anybody at any given time has 215 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: declared a conflict around specific things. 216 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 3: It's on the minute. 217 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: Surely it's on some kind of minutes that you'd be 218 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: able to go back and have a look at that. 219 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: There is a record of cabinet discussions, but I haven't 220 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: gone back and had a look at those. 221 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: But Katie, is. 222 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: He assured because it's a question of whether Territorians can 223 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: trust him or not. 224 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: Well, so he has always disclosed those shares. There was 225 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: no decision made, so the Stronger Futures legislation was decisions 226 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: that were made by the federal government, So there was 227 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 2: no you know, that was what he He. 228 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: Did advocate very strongly though, for those for the Stronger 229 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: Futures legislation not to stay in place, and he advocated 230 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: very strongly saying that it was race based politics. So 231 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: what people are trying to get to the bottom of 232 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: is whether they can trust him. 233 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: Well, kat Katie, I mean their conversations with Chancey and 234 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: I know you've had those, but you know I trust 235 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: Chancey absolutely. I trust Chancey. 236 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 3: But you know we. 237 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: All have we all have had disclosures. Those are done 238 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: every and where they're about to be updated. Kathleen Robinson, 239 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: I've said is going to do a review of is 240 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: going to do a review of all the conflicts of 241 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: interest because and I think Selena used the word it 242 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: is clunky, so it needs to be clear around that. 243 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: But you know that's what happens in cabinet. People do 244 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 2: make their conflicts known and that's part of than the 245 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: discussions during it. 246 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: So you don't feel that, you know, you don't feel 247 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: that there is any issue now for. 248 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: Your government in terms of. 249 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: That trust issue with Chancey Paig as the Attorney General. 250 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: No, I don't feel there is, Katie. You know Chancey 251 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: has then since then sold those shares and I think 252 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: I think everybody sold chairs, even Robin Lamley I think 253 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: said she sold her shares. So I think that you know, 254 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: we've all moved on from that shares issue. Yeah, it's 255 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: been really difficult for everybody. We do want the best 256 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: people in Parliament and I think in the past you're 257 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 2: having shares was seen as something that you could manage, 258 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 2: but obviously from the perceptions of the public it's something 259 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: that people don't want to see. They don't want to 260 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: see politicians with shares, so I think it's a better 261 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: position now. Kathleen Robinson will provide that review, which I 262 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 2: don't know what it'll say, but I do know that 263 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: we need to be able to update our register a 264 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: lot more often, so it's not just every twelve months, 265 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: particularly for ministers. So there's two separate parts to the shares. 266 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 2: There's the front facing one around conflicts that the public sees, 267 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: but then ministers have additional ones which are only updated 268 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: every twelve months. So we do need to improve the 269 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 2: way that we report conflicts. 270 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: All right, Chief Minister. 271 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: The Coronial inquest gets back under way today into the 272 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: death of. 273 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 3: Kumen Ji Walker. 274 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: Zachary Rolf, who was charged with mister Walker's murder but 275 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: later acquitted by a Supreme Court jury, is expected to 276 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: answer questions. Last week, though one police sergeant, Lee Bowen's 277 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: faced questions about racist text message that will text messages 278 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: that he'd exchanged with former Constable Zachary Rolf. On Friday, 279 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: it was revealed that he'd sent a text describing Aboriginal 280 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: people as well. Bush, I won't say the word. Do 281 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: you think an officer who you u says that kind 282 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: of language should keep their job? Oh? 283 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: Look, I'll leave that to the coronial, because it is 284 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: obviously one that is you know, it is very very 285 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: difficult situation to be in and I can see, you know, 286 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: the difficulty for Elizabeth Armitage around this. I think our 287 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: police do cross cultural training, and I think the vast 288 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:27,479 Speaker 2: majority of our police force people who have a comprehensive 289 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: understanding of Obriiginal people because they work with them every day. 290 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: We know the facts are that I think eighty five 291 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: percent of people in our in our detention centers are 292 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: Aboriginal people. So I think our police force comes in 293 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: contact with Aboriginal people. That may be one of the 294 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: recommendations from the Coronial is that there might be great 295 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: cross cultural understandings. 296 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: But I think the police. 297 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: Are pretty well known that you just don't say things 298 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: like that though, And I guess it's probably quite shocking 299 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: for people to realize, you know, to think that a 300 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: serving member has. 301 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is. Of course, it's shocking. It's 302 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: shocking language. And you know, I'm not going to, as said, 303 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: buy into all of that. I'll leave Elizabeth Armitage to 304 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: do her job. She's got probably one of the most 305 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: difficult jobs in the Northern Territory. 306 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: But it is. 307 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a parent language. It's not language that we 308 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: want to see in the Northern Territory. But again, as 309 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: I said, our police force work under tough conditions as. 310 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: Well, Chief Minister. One last quick one Tourism Central Australia. 311 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: They've written to you, as I understand it, asking for 312 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: a relaxation on alcohol restrictions in Alice Springs. 313 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 3: Have you received that letter? 314 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have apparently got it. It's come through my office. 315 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: I haven't read it myself, but apparently it's come in 316 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: through my mailing system. I spoke to somebody this morning 317 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: about it. I can understand where Tourism Central Australia are 318 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: coming from, but you know, we do need to have 319 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: a really good look to see how it's working in 320 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: Central Australia because I know Congress have been very happy 321 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: with the changes around Monday and Tuesday, not having alcohol, 322 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: takeaway alcohol. You know there are still alcohol and alice springs. 323 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: You can buy alcohol at a at a bar, but 324 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: you know, at a restaurant, all of those sorts of things. 325 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: So what do you make of them? 326 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: Sort of saying that that that after that relaxation of 327 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: alcohol restrictions, sorry, after they you know, the restrictions came 328 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: into place, the letter says that those laws have resulted 329 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: in fifty percent of like a fifty percent decrease for 330 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: some of those for some of those tourism businesses. 331 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, as I said, I would, I need to 332 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: have a look at that data around that. I mean, 333 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: we're putting in the territory tourism discount scheme, so we're, 334 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: you know, which is about a million dollars trying to 335 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: stimulate the economy. Those restrictions were put in place as 336 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: a result of the issues that we saw in Central Australia. 337 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: So if Congress are telling me things are better with 338 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: their admissions to hospital or you know, all of those angles, 339 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: we have to weigh up all of those things. So, yes, 340 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: can they be wound back? Maybe they can be wound 341 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: back partially. They're the things that Brent potterill you know 342 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: bring to bring to our discussions around that. But this 343 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: stage Monday and Tuesday you can't buy takeaway. Yes, if 344 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: you're a tourist coming through, are you a gray nomad? 345 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: Do you know you have to buy your our call 346 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: it before you get Talis Springs or is there some 347 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 2: other way of doing that? But you know, we will 348 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 2: continue to work with tourism Central Australia. We do want 349 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: a strong tourist industry in Central Australia. 350 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: It's a tough jugle right now between that and then 351 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: the social issues that you obviously are seeing there. Like 352 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: it's tough to weigh those two things up. 353 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, And I mean not all tourists drink 354 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: and a lot of them may be able to purchase 355 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: their alcohol before they get Talis Springs. So they're the 356 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: things that you work through. But I mean you need 357 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: to make decisions based on evidence and that's important around that. 358 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 2: But we'll continue to work around We know that how 359 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: just how difficult the issue is around olcohol in the 360 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: Northern Territory, but you know it underpins a lot of 361 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 2: these things that we're seeing. 362 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: Chief Minister evil Ala, we better leave it there. I 363 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: know you've got to get to a meeting. Thanks so 364 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.