Speaker 1: This episode of Outspoken is brought to you by mind Tan,
Speaker 1: where channing meets cosmetics and skincare. This is Outspoken, the
Speaker 1: podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking.
Speaker 1: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torbor. We're identical triplets,
Speaker 1: but we often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things
Speaker 1: can get heated. Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment,
Speaker 1: and issues facing women. That is so thank you. Today
Speaker 1: we're joined by Lizzie from Married at First Sight to
Speaker 1: spill all the details about the popular show. Thanks so
Speaker 1: much for speaking to us with such short notice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to worry, guys.
Speaker 1: How have you been keeping yourself entertained during this sort
Speaker 1: of awful isolation period.
Speaker 2: Lots and lots of books.
Speaker 3: Lots of books, lots of tea candles, about two hours
Speaker 3: in the bath every afternoon.
Speaker 2: Like along, like zoning out kind of mood right there.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that sounds amazing. Is are there any
Speaker 1: books you'd recommend?
Speaker 3: I finished one yesterday and I remember the It's called
Speaker 3: The Devil Inside. I can't remember the author, but I
Speaker 3: just started, like literally about an hour and a half ago.
Speaker 2: The day the lies began, so I'm getting right in
Speaker 2: there with the drama.
Speaker 3: And I also finished a romantic novel the other day.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're making me feel guilty because I've just been
Speaker 1: watching Netflix and I was going to see if you
Speaker 1: had any Netflix or even podcasts recommendations.
Speaker 2: Do you know what? I'm actually not a TV person?
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: I know people kind of go away, They're just like,
Speaker 2: but no, I'm not a TV person. But I if
Speaker 2: i'm I mustn't mean. I can't believe I'm gonna admit this.
Speaker 3: I had been watching vander Punk Rules back to back.
Speaker 1: Oh, I used to love that back in the day.
Speaker 1: I probably should start watching it again.
Speaker 2: It's so trushy.
Speaker 1: I love it. So did you watch ma Did you
Speaker 1: watch Maths then before you went on? Or does that
Speaker 1: explain no reason for signing up?
Speaker 2: Never ever watched Masks beforehand.
Speaker 3: Knew about it obviously, because like when I was driving
Speaker 3: to work, I was about an hour while drive every morning,
Speaker 3: so you'd have the like the morning radio, and there
Speaker 3: was always like a masked person on there.
Speaker 2: But had never actually watched it.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So were you approached to go on
Speaker 1: it or were you Yes, I was I was approached,
Speaker 1: Oh wow, because it's so funny a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Because my sisters and I wear triplets. We actually got
Speaker 1: approached to go on it. And it was the series
Speaker 1: when they had the twins on it, so I think
Speaker 1: they were scouting out like multiple berths, but we yeah,
Speaker 1: we said no at the time. But but how did
Speaker 1: you were you found on Instagram or were you out
Speaker 1: in a bad I.
Speaker 3: Was literally at work and going on to the bathroom,
Speaker 3: so I was Michael Hill at that point, and I
Speaker 3: just walked to go to the bathroom and I heard
Speaker 3: this excuse me, excuse me, And I want to accomplised
Speaker 3: about to say this, but this is a salesperson technique.
Speaker 2: I want to lure them back to.
Speaker 3: And literally like, have you thought about being on reality
Speaker 3: TV before? And I was like, no, not really, but
Speaker 3: what show?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Like married? At first that I'm like, yeah, I heard
Speaker 2: of it, but I have never actually watched it.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, because it is kind of flattering when people
Speaker 1: ask you, were you flattered or did you initially think nah,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this. Ah.
Speaker 3: Look, it's not the first time I've been asked. I've
Speaker 3: been scattered to things. So when I was younger.
Speaker 2: I actually I talk about this quite a bit.
Speaker 3: On my Instagram, but I'm not sure how many people
Speaker 3: are actually aware of it that I was. I have
Speaker 3: a chronic illness and I actually was really sick for
Speaker 3: about a decade. So that year that I got scouted,
Speaker 3: I was literally six months into having a job, which
Speaker 3: I hadn't had a job for ten years.
Speaker 2: I literally started work that year.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so can you tell us more about your
Speaker 1: chronic illness?
Speaker 3: So basically I had a misdiagnosis and it was quite horrendous,
Speaker 3: and then they started to figure out that wasn't what
Speaker 3: the case was, and it's kind of like an ongoing thing.
Speaker 2: It is hard to manage. But yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I'd started work and done really well
Speaker 3: within six months. So I just decided I was going
Speaker 3: to go move to Sydney and live with my brother
Speaker 3: and his family and just get work. And I ended
Speaker 3: up getting a job the first job I applied for,
Speaker 3: which was a jury store managing business and made it
Speaker 3: as a managing jury store, and then made it manager
Speaker 3: on the third day.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then not having a job for ten years.
Speaker 1: Then you get scouted for a reality show, absolutely killing it.
Speaker 2: It was crazy.
Speaker 3: It was absolutely crazy that that is how it happened.
Speaker 1: We're talking about maths. Obviously, you and seb are doing
Speaker 1: the whole long distance thing. How is that all going?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Good?
Speaker 3: We contact each other like every hour on the hour,
Speaker 3: like constant text messages. He does not have an iPhone,
Speaker 3: so he we what's that do the video face callao?
Speaker 3: Is that is the video face school? So like what's
Speaker 3: that FaceTime?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And then we talked like like first thing in the morning,
Speaker 3: that last thing at night, like just constantly talking.
Speaker 2: But he's going to try and get here next week.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. That's so exciting because he's in Adelaide
Speaker 1: and we're from Adelaide. And I did sort of watch
Speaker 1: with interest your first impressions of Adelaide and it does
Speaker 1: get a bad rap sometimes. But can you tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit more, how you know what you think
Speaker 1: about Adelaide? Now you've been a few times.
Speaker 2: I've been a few times now.
Speaker 3: It was more the first because I was sick for
Speaker 3: so long and I came from I was Sydney, but
Speaker 3: then Newcastle while I was sick, and then I just
Speaker 3: wanted more fast paced I didn't want to go back
Speaker 3: into a more slow.
Speaker 2: Lifestyle, and that was the perception I did have of Adelaide.
Speaker 2: But I love it.
Speaker 3: It's actually really chill, and I love the fact there's
Speaker 3: a church in every corner.
Speaker 2: Now I'm a.
Speaker 3: Little bit like my flavor. It was like a little
Speaker 3: bit Gothic. So I like the fact there's a church
Speaker 3: in every corner. But I also found out there's like
Speaker 3: a Hungry Jacks on every corner as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's very We actually used to live like
Speaker 1: right down the road from a Hungry Jacks and our
Speaker 1: cousins were so impressed because you could do the shake
Speaker 1: and win thing from our house, and they were like,
Speaker 1: this should be a selling feature of this property. Just
Speaker 1: back to maths. So once you get scouted, what sort
Speaker 1: of the process from there. I'm assuming there's lots of
Speaker 1: interviews and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, but my process was a little bit different.
Speaker 2: I managed to make an impression.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I guess because I'm quite like a
Speaker 3: lot of people, quite reserved, and when you first meet me,
Speaker 3: even even the first chat that you know we're having,
Speaker 3: I'm quite open, Like I'm an open book. I'm actually,
Speaker 3: so I got a phone call the next day and
Speaker 3: within two weeks.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, you're.
Speaker 1: On the show within two weeks.
Speaker 3: Literally the next day. The next day, I had a
Speaker 3: phone call. They wanted a skype interview. They had a
Speaker 3: Skype interview. I filled out like one form and then
Speaker 3: I had an interview on a panel with one person
Speaker 3: and then basically had it. Wow, a lot of people
Speaker 3: went through I know people went through a bit more
Speaker 3: like more through more of a process.
Speaker 2: I actually just got it quite instantly.
Speaker 3: Wow. Cool.
Speaker 1: They always show the experts going and sniffing all the
Speaker 1: shirts and showing people photos. That's real, that is real.
Speaker 3: I had to wear a shirt overnight, so they don't
Speaker 3: want your wearing perfume or anything like that.
Speaker 2: You literally they want your own doorphins. And I thought,
Speaker 2: I was like laughing my head off, going what the
Speaker 2: hell have I even find? Because I read but I
Speaker 2: had not watched the show.
Speaker 3: Now producers on like people behind the scenes had told
Speaker 3: me to watch the show, and I refuse to do
Speaker 3: it because I don't like having a preconceived notion of
Speaker 3: what something is, so I don't like.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I was going to say, do you think you
Speaker 1: would have done it if you had watched the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm about because my life has already been
Speaker 3: so different then, I mean, everyone's life is quite different,
Speaker 3: but the fact that I was, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I was, I've just had a.
Speaker 3: Really different life with my illness and things I've done
Speaker 3: prior to my illness and everything like that that.
Speaker 2: I just wanted. My life's just been different, So I thought,
Speaker 2: why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, had you've had such a big TV transformation
Speaker 1: from your first being on Maths And then again, what
Speaker 1: do you think is behind that? Are you a bit
Speaker 1: of a chameleon and are usually changing things up? Or
Speaker 1: was your experience life?
Speaker 3: I constantly look different, and it's so funny because it's
Speaker 3: literally like because I only filmed for less than a
Speaker 3: month around a month last year, and I was only
Speaker 3: actually on the show for about three weeks, so people
Speaker 3: only saw me for about three weeks, and so I'm always.
Speaker 2: I love fashion. I absolutely love fashion, and I'm not just.
Speaker 3: I feel like so many people are focused on trying
Speaker 3: to improve their appearance, whereas I like to just dabble
Speaker 3: in everything. Like I'm talking like seventies Americana, to like
Speaker 3: goth to like to all of it, and then I
Speaker 3: know a lot of people go all about the weight loss.
Speaker 2: I actually and.
Speaker 3: This is where I feel bad because people always go,
Speaker 3: watch your Secret, blah blah blah. I actually, before I
Speaker 3: got Secret underweight. So my body tends to go underweight.
Speaker 3: So with the condition that I have, it's recommended to
Speaker 3: have a high club diet, and that's what I was following.
Speaker 3: So I was managing a store without having had a
Speaker 3: job for you know, and managed to do so well
Speaker 3: that I had to eat more to keep going because
Speaker 3: my body gives out on me and so.
Speaker 2: You need a high carb, high GI diet.
Speaker 3: So I was literally just throwing back as much food
Speaker 3: as possible, and so that's why I was curvier than
Speaker 3: what my average weight would actually be. So coming off
Speaker 3: the back of the show, I'm not working at the
Speaker 3: jury store back to back anymore.
Speaker 2: So that's why my weight has subsided. Oh wow, Well,
Speaker 2: so it's hard.
Speaker 3: It's hard because people always want like they go, oh,
Speaker 3: what's the secret, Like there's no secret.
Speaker 2: And like I wish I could, you know, give you something.
Speaker 3: I mean, I do occasionally follow the five two diet
Speaker 3: and occasionally do intermitive fasting. It's not really the best
Speaker 3: thing for my what I manage, but I occasionally do
Speaker 3: do it, but it's also like a meditation thing.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, now that you're in I, so,
Speaker 1: have you got any new looks that you're going to
Speaker 1: be testing out?
Speaker 2: I mean, tesse and you looks like every day.
Speaker 3: I love to have a play and I think it's
Speaker 3: a great thing to show everyone that you don't have
Speaker 3: to always look the same and you can think outside
Speaker 3: the box and.
Speaker 2: You can have fun with it. Just play with it.
Speaker 2: Who really keeps a crap what other people think? Just
Speaker 2: play with it.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of guys that have been shaving
Speaker 1: their heads during IO. What would you do if Seb
Speaker 1: decided to do that because I've already warned my boyfriend
Speaker 1: not to do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I really like Sebi short hair.
Speaker 3: He kind of goes like he he likes his hair
Speaker 3: a bit longer and always like cut cut it, so
Speaker 3: he's been cutting it more recently. He's so hot when
Speaker 3: he cuts it, and then like I'm like I want
Speaker 3: him to get a fade. He's like, I'm not going
Speaker 3: that far, but I'm like, I think it'd be freaking hot.
Speaker 3: As Like, I like him with really short hair.
Speaker 1: Will you convince you convinced him to get the tattoo,
Speaker 1: so I feel like you could push for the haircut.
Speaker 3: No, he really loves his hair. I was just like,
Speaker 3: I love it short, so it goes shorter and short.
Speaker 3: And I haven't seen him for about three weeks, so
Speaker 3: I know that he had a haircut right before I left,
Speaker 3: and he had a haircut in between some like I'm
Speaker 3: thinking the short thing, he's you know, he's he's coming
Speaker 3: to terms with it.
Speaker 1: Well, just back to maths. And I suppose the experts,
Speaker 1: I mean they've divided opinion and there's talk of Kyle
Speaker 1: Sandaland's potentially being an expert. What what are your view
Speaker 1: on the judges and do you think Kyle would make
Speaker 1: a good or sorry not judges even though they seem
Speaker 1: judge on the experts, Sorry.
Speaker 3: They're actually really lovely people. Yeah, they're just this is
Speaker 3: what they're doing. It's just part of their job. I
Speaker 3: think they're lovely as individuals. With Kyle Sandalians, I have
Speaker 3: met him that a couple of times. The first time
Speaker 3: I did married at first sight, and he's actually like
Speaker 3: so lovely, like he is really really nice.
Speaker 1: Really he seems lovey, he seems hilarious. I'm surprised.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think I think that's obviously there's some
Speaker 3: people have more of a persona, but him behind the
Speaker 3: scenes is so fucking love like so lovely. So my sworry, No,
Speaker 3: he's actually so. I can't get over how lovely he
Speaker 3: actually is.
Speaker 1: So he might make a good expert then, because he
Speaker 1: might be able to sort of be kind, but then
Speaker 1: also a bit cruel when he needs some truthful you.
Speaker 2: Know what, I'm going to say something.
Speaker 3: I feel like the experts need to call out a
Speaker 3: few of those people in they're bullshit anyway.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, it's so true. All they seem to
Speaker 1: do is focus on everyone's sex lives. Like that seems
Speaker 1: to be I mean, obviously it's.
Speaker 2: I kind of go with this is Look at guys,
Speaker 2: won't you start me? Like I will not shut up.
Speaker 1: I don't never love it. Literally.
Speaker 3: The thing is, it's a relationship show, and that's part
Speaker 3: of that's part of a relationship, whether you're doing it
Speaker 3: or not. If you you know, for instance, I know
Speaker 3: those people out there who stay celibate to the marriage,
Speaker 3: like actually you know married, so of course the marriages
Speaker 3: aren't legal marriages, right, So if someone was wanting to
Speaker 3: be celibate while during that time, they should talk about
Speaker 3: it and make other people feel okay about.
Speaker 2: It instead of kind of point you know what I mean, because.
Speaker 3: There are people out there who don't want it and
Speaker 3: they don't feel comfortable, and the should turn around and say, look,
Speaker 3: I want to stay celibate. And you know, when you
Speaker 3: get on that show, you have a platform, so use
Speaker 3: your voice for good.
Speaker 1: Well, we've got to ask what really goes on at
Speaker 1: the dinner parties? Is there any inside goss you can
Speaker 1: give us, because sometimes it looks like the contestants are
Speaker 1: like sweating. I'm assuming there's lots of lighting and you're
Speaker 1: there for hours, but that's just a guess. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'd love to know what goes on.
Speaker 2: People look like they're sweating. That's in New One.
Speaker 4: I loved the dinner Parties and it's basically you're not
Speaker 4: meant to see each other while filming, right mm hm,
Speaker 4: you're not, because like what happens is the dinner parties
Speaker 4: and the commitment ceremonies or the time to catch up
Speaker 4: on everything.
Speaker 2: Right now, there's a lot of cheeky BUCkies.
Speaker 3: Who hang out afterwards, like who hang out when they're
Speaker 3: not meant to be And that's when they cause a
Speaker 3: lot of the drama. And then that's when I feel
Speaker 3: like a lot of people and their kind of go oh,
Speaker 3: you don't know what actually happens.
Speaker 2: Well, you were doing that when there's no camera. Random
Speaker 2: part of being on the.
Speaker 3: TV show is that you know you have to film
Speaker 3: the relationship dynamic.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like I think they're great fun.
Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes I can't help myself and be a
Speaker 3: little bit of a ship stirer, Like I get out
Speaker 3: the spoon and just want to stir it a little bit,
Speaker 3: like provoke a bit of conversation.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I.
Speaker 1: Love that you mentioned the point about some people, you know,
Speaker 1: ca noodling off camera, because there's been so much drama
Speaker 1: that's come out since Math's actually finished airing. Of course,
Speaker 1: there's Casey's relationship with Michael. Did that surprise you or
Speaker 1: did you sort of think there was something going on
Speaker 1: during filming?
Speaker 2: Oh god, there was the jury filming. There was definitely nothing.
Speaker 2: No good. No.
Speaker 3: I am Raly going to say one thing about this?
Speaker 3: What two things about this? First of all, you know,
Speaker 3: if they're happy, they're happy, good luck to it, do you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, I genuinely feel that because you never know who
Speaker 3: you're going to meet in that you know, that space.
Speaker 2: But then it's also unfortunate because I felt like there
Speaker 2: was a friendship with there with Stacy. So that's where
Speaker 2: I get a little bit like because I'm very much
Speaker 2: girl code.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm really that really is me and I
Speaker 3: kind of I would never go for someone else who
Speaker 3: was actually with someone else. And yeah, so that's why
Speaker 3: it's a bit messy. But if they're actually happy, you know,
Speaker 3: good good luck to them. And I hope they you know,
Speaker 3: I hope they make some you know, goodness with it.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, a lot of contestants come off
Speaker 1: the show and one of the first things.
Speaker 3: Look, the thing is, I can't speak for everyone's experience
Speaker 3: is different, right, but that's just everyone in life. I
Speaker 3: think that two things go on. It is a TV
Speaker 3: show and then and everyone's aware of that. And then secondly,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, you have a camera in your
Speaker 3: face twenty four to seven, right, and then try you
Speaker 3: have to condense it down.
Speaker 2: So they did all those things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying when they grow about the edits like, no,
Speaker 3: you did do that and you are aware of the
Speaker 3: process of how this works, So no tears there.
Speaker 1: We're talking about people who clearly did the wrong thing
Speaker 1: and we're edited to look like complete assholes. Let's go
Speaker 1: back to Sam and oh my gosh, we felt so
Speaker 1: sorry for you watching that, as did most of Australia.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it took a lot of
Speaker 1: guts to then return for the second series. Did it
Speaker 1: sort of make you not trust the process or potentially
Speaker 1: the producers when you were going the second time round?
Speaker 3: During the interviews afterwards, right, a lot of people have
Speaker 3: said to me, oh, did you feel the pressure how
Speaker 3: you had to make it work?
Speaker 2: And I was like, I literally thought I'd get another asshole.
Speaker 3: I was talking to the producers going you make sure
Speaker 3: like he's someone gives me like, yeah, sure is he?
Speaker 2: But yeah, so it was I was really expecting another asshole.
Speaker 1: Well thank god I didn't get one, because se seems
Speaker 1: amazing and I think everyone was so happy when you
Speaker 1: got paired with him.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I kept saying, I'm going, why
Speaker 3: why are you on reality TV? Like what's the real
Speaker 3: just here, Like I was like, why you here?
Speaker 2: And I's just like, you know, because I am. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, hmmm, So I've.
Speaker 1: Got to tell you a fun story that you might
Speaker 1: be able to tell remind Seb of this. So Kate
Speaker 1: and I were journalists, so I used to work out,
Speaker 1: you know the show today tonight the techy. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so I remember we were in Adelaide. We were doing
Speaker 1: a story about the party girls and party boys about
Speaker 1: and yeah, we got Seb into it, but he I
Speaker 1: think his football coach tipped him off that it might
Speaker 1: not be a good idea to be in it. So
Speaker 1: he was in. I think there were shots of him
Speaker 1: getting a spray tand but that was about it. He
Speaker 1: didn't go on the night out. And I feel so
Speaker 1: bad because I think I've seen it dragged up on
Speaker 1: Daily Mail. But it was. Yeah, it was quite a
Speaker 1: hilarious story that ended up going viral. And they went
Speaker 1: to LA in the end, didn't they. No, Seb didn't
Speaker 1: get to go.
Speaker 2: I knew about that. He showed me.
Speaker 3: He laughed, he laughed about it. He's like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, you were You're a party girl?
Speaker 4: Were you?
Speaker 2: He's like you, I'm the party girl.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's laughing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't I know all about Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought it was a good sport for being
Speaker 1: on camera getting a spray tend, because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of men who probably should be getting spray tends that aren't.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but he looks so hot with it.
Speaker 2: He got So here's the thing.
Speaker 3: When we first started filming, because you know, you live
Speaker 3: with that person, right, he was like, oh, he was
Speaker 3: trying to actoor coy.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, what's this? What's this you're using?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Do you think I should give it a go?
Speaker 3: And it was only later did I realize that he
Speaker 3: was like known amongst his friends and family for always tanning.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and like people giving him stick about it.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, oh my god. But he
Speaker 2: was so coy. He's just like, oh, oh, and how
Speaker 2: do you put it on? And oh? And I was
Speaker 2: just like, you knew all along.
Speaker 1: I love that. Do you know what's hilarious?
Speaker 2: Our dad?
Speaker 1: So when we were living at home, we used to
Speaker 1: have all the fake han in the cupboard and he
Speaker 1: actually thought it was like a spray on one and
Speaker 1: he got it out of the cupboard, thinking it was
Speaker 1: deodorant and sprayed it under his arms. And then the
Speaker 1: next day he went to our mum and he thought
Speaker 1: he was dying because he had like orange on to
Speaker 1: his arms. He didn't understand. I mean, that was legitimate.
Speaker 1: He was being a closet sort of Tanner is like,
Speaker 1: let's say, maybe he wanted it evened out or something.
Speaker 2: But do you know what though, like, I feel like
Speaker 2: talk about it more.
Speaker 3: And that's what I really think is great about Sev
Speaker 3: is that he talks about emotions and he talks about things,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like, yeah, he's so open,
Speaker 3: Whereas you know, I feel like there's that stigma with
Speaker 3: men that you have to be a certain way and
Speaker 3: you can't talk about your emotions and how exactly you're feeling.
Speaker 3: So that to me was an attractive quality about him.
Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, ten, what about it?
Speaker 1: Why can't boys tan? I mean we're all trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, stop sun baking and you know, burning our
Speaker 1: skin and potentially getting melanoma. Why can't men do that too?
Speaker 1: Because they want a tan? Like men look better with
Speaker 1: a tan. I don't know why they can't embrace the
Speaker 1: fake Tan. Maybe that's the new thing that we'll have
Speaker 1: to happen. Maybe sim should release a fake Tan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get on.
Speaker 2: To him about it. I'm going to get onto about it.
Speaker 3: I think like we should also when he's here next week,
Speaker 3: like for Instagram, like actually film is putting ten on.
Speaker 1: Yes, that would be great. I would watch that.
Speaker 2: I'll tag you guys in it.
Speaker 1: Remind me, yeah, we'll share it, We'll spread the word.
Speaker 2: I love it well.
Speaker 1: Obviously, Sadly, trolling seems to be a big part of
Speaker 1: the experience of going on maths and any sort of
Speaker 1: reality TV show. What has your experience been with trolling?
Speaker 2: I have a.
Speaker 3: Very thick skin, extremely so, almost to the point where
Speaker 3: some people can't believe how I sort of let it
Speaker 3: roll off my shoulders, right, And I think that explains itself,
Speaker 3: even the fact I came back for a second time, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: especially when I got put like everything that had happened
Speaker 3: the first time around. I would not wish that on anybody.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that it happened to me, specifically that because
Speaker 3: I was able to handle it.
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of myself for doing so.
Speaker 3: I had no I knew nothing about it also, so
Speaker 3: when I sat down there in the reunion everything, I
Speaker 3: knew nothing about it. So I'm very proud of the
Speaker 3: way that I handled myself. Unfortunately, now it's stuck with
Speaker 3: it like I could people, you know, they still go
Speaker 3: on about my weight as a constant, like every time, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've googled myself, I'm going to put it out there
Speaker 3: like it's always about It's always about like Lizzy's weight loss,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my god, guys, it was literally
Speaker 3: for three weeks.
Speaker 2: It's like a month.
Speaker 3: They give me a break. And it's hard though, because
Speaker 3: like my dms are clogged with tell us a secret
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my god, Like I was sick,
Speaker 3: I had to have more calories. And then I've always
Speaker 3: I had a problem with being underweight when I was
Speaker 3: in my teen years.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like, you know.
Speaker 1: It's so frustrating because to me, you were a normal,
Speaker 1: pretty normal size when you were on there, like the
Speaker 1: first series, and then obviously, as you said, you've had
Speaker 1: this history of you know, being underweight or being a
Speaker 1: slim and build. It's just frustrating because girls will look
Speaker 1: at that and that have a normal you know, size
Speaker 1: ten or eight or whatever it was, and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: is that considered big when it's normal?
Speaker 3: That's what I hate about it as well, that's what
Speaker 3: I hate about it. So people I was actually we
Speaker 3: said the other day like, well, you know about a
Speaker 3: month ago. I can't belie it's nearly been that long.
Speaker 3: And I was saying to him like, the clothes I
Speaker 3: was wearing with him were the same clothes that I
Speaker 3: wore on the first series that I was on maps.
Speaker 3: Now it's just the size ten, but you know I
Speaker 3: always had stretchy size tens.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So literally though, although I've lost about ten kilos,
Speaker 3: I'm still wearing some of the clothes I was wearing there.
Speaker 3: And it's so weird because people are just like as
Speaker 3: if it's like, like I know it has it's quite
Speaker 3: it is different, Like it is quite different, but it's
Speaker 3: still me.
Speaker 2: So it's just weird that it's such.
Speaker 3: A topic and it's one of the first things that
Speaker 3: people ask me about when they're going guys, there needs
Speaker 3: to be more of a shift. It's like, why is
Speaker 3: that the most noticing about me coming back.
Speaker 1: On And it's like all women can talk about is oh,
Speaker 1: their weight, or that they've changed their hair color or you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's just like, oh my god, back and I
Speaker 3: think so me naturally, always changing up my appearance and everything.
Speaker 2: I hope that females or.
Speaker 3: In males, I hope that anyone can look at that
Speaker 3: and go, oh, it's okay, what you know. Our body's
Speaker 3: all change, you know, even women with pregnancy, Like I
Speaker 3: know a lot of my girlfriends, you know, some of
Speaker 3: them just had babies and that, and so their body
Speaker 3: changes as well, and there's so much pressure for them
Speaker 3: to get back into shape. It's like your body changes
Speaker 3: throughout your life, and that should be an okay thing, exactly.
Speaker 1: Just back to the trolling, I was quite surprised. Well
Speaker 1: actually I shouldn't be that surprised, but I did see
Speaker 1: a few of your former math's friends from your previous
Speaker 1: series or friends, yeah, commenting about you appearing again. I mean,
Speaker 1: Cyrel was quite vocal. She's had a few nasty things
Speaker 1: to say, which which surprised me. Were you a little
Speaker 1: bit taken aback by the comments?
Speaker 2: Oh god, no, not with her.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, you gotta remember I know I
Speaker 3: know these well, actually some of them I don't know
Speaker 3: but I knew her, so nothing surprises me that like nothing,
Speaker 3: like I think people would be shocked, but I won't
Speaker 3: ever go down that avenue.
Speaker 2: But people be very shocked to see how far people go.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, she she's had a baby with someone from
Speaker 1: Love Island.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm not gonna even comment on that, like honestly,
Speaker 3: because like I know the ins and outs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't worry about commenting.
Speaker 3: I'm not even like but no, but honestly, good luck
Speaker 3: to them, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Again, like I can't.
Speaker 3: I don't feel comfortable like people you know, they bag
Speaker 3: other people out.
Speaker 2: But again I knew her, and but I wish her
Speaker 2: good luck, do you know what I mean? And I actually
Speaker 2: I hope they're all happy.
Speaker 3: It's the same as because I know a lot of
Speaker 3: people go on about the Casey and Michael because I
Speaker 3: said something I'm talking marriage. I genuinely hope that, like
Speaker 3: they're good, Like I hope everyone is happy in their life.
Speaker 3: And why would I want to ever wash negative, wish
Speaker 3: negativity on someone, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I know a few other people had to
Speaker 2: say a few things.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, it's like, first of all, yell
Speaker 3: jealous exactly just.
Speaker 2: Saying because why else.
Speaker 3: And second of all, like I know a few of them,
Speaker 3: like you know, they they wanted more, you know, they
Speaker 3: wanted people to take notice of them.
Speaker 2: So they were just talking about anyone on the show
Speaker 2: this year as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think that's what we loved about you. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you tell it how it is, but you have that
Speaker 1: girl code and you're not trying to just stirs. Well
Speaker 1: you did say you were trying to stir stuff up
Speaker 1: at the dinner, but you know you're not going out
Speaker 1: there like Sorell and trying to pull you down to.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: So that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Like obviously, you know you asked about, you know, doing
Speaker 3: stuff like this, and you asked about the media and
Speaker 3: even those dinner parties.
Speaker 2: Like I say, I say it like it is, I
Speaker 2: mean the dinner parties.
Speaker 3: When I say I was causing like storing the pot
Speaker 3: of bit, I was just calling out things that people
Speaker 3: won't talk about. Well, you are on a TV show
Speaker 3: as well, so like we've got to understand it's entertainment.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. But I basically a lot of people try
Speaker 2: to sweet things under the rugs and I'll be.
Speaker 3: Like, well didn't you say this? And you said that,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, please inform me of how that works.
Speaker 3: But I would never ever be malicious about someone. In fact,
Speaker 3: even other people who were quite horrendous about me last year,
Speaker 3: like when when like the after media from last year,
Speaker 3: I always gave people a way out and they some
Speaker 3: people still came to me Sam so but I gave
Speaker 3: him a way out saying, you know.
Speaker 2: This is you know, it's part and part of it.
Speaker 3: But then I kept getting you know, thrown about in
Speaker 3: the media negatively, and I actually never said anything. I
Speaker 3: will comment about people's actions on the show, aren't comment
Speaker 3: about them as people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, just you know, just touching on Sam. I
Speaker 1: saw a few articles pop up yesterday about how different
Speaker 1: he looks now. I mean, I know you probably have
Speaker 1: no interest in looking at his Instagram, but you check
Speaker 1: it out. It's quite shocking. He's I don't want to though,
Speaker 1: and it will make you feel bloody fantastic as we
Speaker 1: know you're winning out of the situation, but you have one.
Speaker 1: I mean, if there was a winner and a loser.
Speaker 3: Honest you guys, really, honestly, it's hard because, like I
Speaker 3: talk about the slandering and stuff that happened in the
Speaker 3: media and all those things said about me that I
Speaker 3: had no idea about, and I was kind of just
Speaker 3: left there to defend myself, right.
Speaker 5: I didn't like have any there was no I didn't
Speaker 5: know him, So I feel really fucking bad about talking
Speaker 5: about him freely because I don't know him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. I don't know him.
Speaker 3: And even when they look like I was, you know,
Speaker 3: having four backs and just memory remember when them to this,
Speaker 3: you know, in this season, that was just part of
Speaker 3: people to remember that, like yeah last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, didn't you only see him at the
Speaker 1: wedding and then he kind of pissed off.
Speaker 3: Like then we did live together for about three days
Speaker 3: and I'm like it was like we just cleaned and
Speaker 3: cooked and then basically like I actually fled. So I
Speaker 3: got sick though, and I hadn't told him that about
Speaker 3: my illness and stuff.
Speaker 2: I covered everything up.
Speaker 3: So even the second time going on, I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: to bit come clean with you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so well, and I know that producers would have
Speaker 1: had a huge part to play in you know, both series.
Speaker 1: Can you explain to people who might not understand the
Speaker 1: producer contestant relationship because from what I understand, you've got
Speaker 1: a producer that's with you the whole time or with
Speaker 1: the couple.
Speaker 2: There's a huge duty of care.
Speaker 3: They're lovely people, and when people kind of go, all right,
Speaker 3: so you film me for you know, sort of every day, right,
Speaker 3: and you filming every day, and then it is also
Speaker 3: a TV show, so they have to take the significant
Speaker 3: parts out so they kind of rap up the situation
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: But that's it.
Speaker 1: Well, that is really interesting because I think there's so
Speaker 1: many people who don't know the role of the producer.
Speaker 1: I did see that Michelle recently put up on okay,
Speaker 1: which you put on her Instagram. Oh gosh, I don't
Speaker 1: if you heard that.
Speaker 2: I did hear that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's normally our cat crying in the background, thunderstorm there.
Speaker 2: Do you have? I love cats?
Speaker 6: Oh really?
Speaker 1: Oh, we've got two rag dolls Bentley and.
Speaker 2: A rag Do have two rag dolls? Yeah? But I
Speaker 2: have now just Coco does.
Speaker 1: Yours shed fur constantly.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Now he's close to sixteen now because they last to
Speaker 2: about twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh, there's the most gorgeous cats.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would never probably get another cat besides
Speaker 3: the rag dog. Because they've also got that dog like nature. Yeah,
Speaker 3: did you play fetch?
Speaker 2: When?
Speaker 1: Because we had Bentley, we call him Lord Bentley. We
Speaker 1: had him first and before he had his sister Gig,
Speaker 1: he did used to play fetch. But yeah, does Coco fetch?
Speaker 3: Coco didn't, but his brother who passedwayed about two years go,
Speaker 3: Malick did.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so cool. I love them. I just they're
Speaker 1: just the best, Like they follow you around, as you said,
Speaker 1: like a dog and just I mean you can't even
Speaker 1: have a shower or anything without them being.
Speaker 2: I know, I love Oh, I love them, I love them.
Speaker 1: We'll segueing back to Michelle's post. She mentioned that there
Speaker 1: was some form of relationship at least between her and
Speaker 1: the paparazzi and that you guys are basically warned by
Speaker 1: producers not to talk to them. What's the reality there?
Speaker 1: Do you guys have a relationship with the paparazzi or
Speaker 1: is that all.
Speaker 2: Most most of the people do the contestants do?
Speaker 3: I do not, so I if you kind of even
Speaker 3: do a googling like sort of search, you right, you
Speaker 3: know how like a lot of them there's a pap
Speaker 3: shot with something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they normally always pull.
Speaker 3: The images from my Instagram because I so what that
Speaker 3: means is the relationship they're getting paid for pap posts.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, when Casey and Michel came out, it
Speaker 1: was so obvious that those pap shots have been set
Speaker 1: up with them using their little hand sanitizers. So that
Speaker 1: does not surprise me or did it kind of annoy
Speaker 1: you though, that some people would do that.
Speaker 2: What annoys me about it is the fact that.
Speaker 3: Look, you gonna be like, look, these people are putting
Speaker 3: themselves out there, and if they're getting paid a bit
Speaker 3: of money to do that, good on them.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? It's not my style.
Speaker 3: Annoys me is when people assume that I have a
Speaker 3: paid part person. Yeah, so I've been sort of people
Speaker 3: have ever said that about me? No, I think I've
Speaker 3: done one one one of the first time around, but
Speaker 3: that was it and I decided never to do it
Speaker 3: again because I just thought I can't like people might
Speaker 3: also be surprised that, you know, you get invited invited
Speaker 3: to a lot of events go while appearing on a
Speaker 3: reality TV.
Speaker 2: I basically don't go to any of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got no interest whatsoever into being in that life.
Speaker 1: M hm, well, how much how much would people get
Speaker 1: paid for, you know, like a roundabout figure for setting
Speaker 1: up a photo opportunity.
Speaker 3: I I'm not going to go into the complete room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's much trouble.
Speaker 3: I can get in for saying that sort of thing,
Speaker 3: but it's not much unless it's kind of like.
Speaker 1: It's not really worth it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So basically like people will get.
Speaker 6: Money if they are made to look like they're with
Speaker 6: someone else, which will normally be organized. Oh yeah, so
Speaker 6: I've seen so much of that, so it's not genuine relationships.
Speaker 2: So they're just paid to be with a person.
Speaker 3: Or if bikini shots, every single person that you see
Speaker 3: in the magazine, they go, oh, you know, that's such
Speaker 3: an unflattering thing.
Speaker 2: They got them in their bikinia. They got money for
Speaker 2: their honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so interesting. That happened all the time on The Bachelor.
Speaker 1: I remember there were all those there, I can't even
Speaker 1: remember their names, that there were two female contestants who
Speaker 1: were caught kissing outside a restaurant and it's like, really,
Speaker 1: how are the paparazzi going to know they're there at
Speaker 1: that time?
Speaker 3: What I want want to say, how the hell if
Speaker 3: you're just randomly at this little boutique randomly, Hell, they're
Speaker 3: going to know where you are.
Speaker 2: My god. I walk around.
Speaker 3: So there's a shopping center near my parents' house, right,
Speaker 3: So I walk around. There were ten on like no
Speaker 3: bra like no, like seven I went down there with
Speaker 3: no shoes on, right, And it's kind of like, wouldn't
Speaker 3: wouldn't there be a paparazzi fuel date? Are they going
Speaker 3: to know them?
Speaker 1: And you never see the peppara? Well, I mean we're
Speaker 1: in Adelaide, so okay, we'll take that with a grain
Speaker 1: of salt. Well, whenever I'm in Melbourne or Sydney, I
Speaker 1: never see just paparazzi out on the street. Like it's
Speaker 1: not like la, you know, they're not just around.
Speaker 2: I mean it's called for.
Speaker 3: And then like if you see them out like there's
Speaker 3: sometimes the one thing I will say though, if you
Speaker 3: have a friend in the media, right, and then you
Speaker 3: kind of like go to a party or something and
Speaker 3: that they might be lingering around, right, but you've got
Speaker 3: up and say hello to them, it's not you know,
Speaker 3: like I don't know, it's weird. It's just a paid relationship.
Speaker 3: You know, they're just trying to make an income as well.
Speaker 3: I mean some of them can be quite nasty, though.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what can we expect? I mean, it's it's sorry,
Speaker 1: I say, what can we expect to see from you
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty? Obviously it's been interrupted by COVID nineteen?
Speaker 1: But what can fans expect from you?
Speaker 3: I am in a kind of like a debate to
Speaker 3: kind of go under the raidar and basically disappear.
Speaker 2: Again. Like I enjoy seeing how everything works right, the
Speaker 2: whole aspects of the dynamic of a TV show.
Speaker 3: And you know, I can't believe I actually freaking met
Speaker 3: my boyfriend off married first, like obviously, like I wanted
Speaker 3: to find someone, but you're going to be skeptical. I'm
Speaker 3: going to be really real, honest, You're going to be
Speaker 3: skeptical if you're going to have a good time. And
Speaker 3: I can't believe I met my boyfriend, right, So it's
Speaker 3: kind of like I just I don't know, Like I
Speaker 3: might have a bit more fun with in the public eye,
Speaker 3: but I don't know if.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna continue down that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we can't wait to see you. Have been
Speaker 1: so amazing. Thank you so much for speaking with us.
Speaker 1: We haven't talk to you, I know, so can we
Speaker 1: and but I was like, oh, I feel bad. I
Speaker 1: don't want to like take up the rest of your time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, thank you so much. I'm so glad to
Speaker 1: hear your fellow rag doll lover as well. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know that was a new new thing, daily Mail. I'm
Speaker 1: just joking. Oh, thank you. It was so lovely to
Speaker 1: talk to you. And I hope you get to see
Speaker 1: seb with some short hair and tan soon, Like I.
Speaker 3: Just you tell me he's booking his flights today, so
Speaker 3: whether he gets hoored or not. But then I like,
Speaker 3: as soon as COVID's done, like I'm going to be
Speaker 3: an adelaide.
Speaker 1: Oh that's exciting. I was going to recommend some spots
Speaker 1: to go to, but you know, everything shuts.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll let you guys know. When I'm actually there,
Speaker 3: I'll be like, come take me out, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely you can come and cuddle our rag
Speaker 1: dolls as well. Sure they'd love to meet you.
Speaker 2: Leave though I leave.
Speaker 1: Amy's boyfriend would be happy about that because he's taken
Speaker 1: over the rag dolls, so he's always looking for people
Speaker 1: to take them. Yeah, anyway, we'll let you. But thank
Speaker 1: you so much. Your absolute legend. Thanks guys, Thank you bye.
Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your day.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: A quick word from today's sponsor. While stuck in Io,
Speaker 1: we've been working on our skin with constant zoom calls
Speaker 1: and nights in. We've been embracing the natural look with
Speaker 1: Mine Tan's tanning facial Miss. They're so good because they
Speaker 1: build up a natural looking tan and also hydrate the skin.
Speaker 1: It also gives you the confidence to wear no makeup.
Speaker 1: I'm also loving the tan milk. It's also great as
Speaker 1: part of your post tanning routine as it helps you
Speaker 1: prolong your tan. You can also use it to build
Speaker 1: up a gradual tan. We have tried our fair share
Speaker 1: of fake tans, and mind Tan is an absolute game changer.
Speaker 1: The Salon Professional Formula lets you customize your tan based
Speaker 1: on your skin type, tone, and desired skin finish. Outspoken
Speaker 1: listeners can receive twenty five percent off their order at
Speaker 1: the checkout using the discount code Outspoken