1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Well, a very good morning to you. Thanks so much 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: for everybody tuning in this morning, and what a busy 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: morning we're a set to have because in the studio 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: for the week that was, we have got Jared Mayley, 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: the Deputy Chief Minister. Good morning to you. Better make 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: sure I've got the right microphone on the let's just 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: turn them all up just in case. Matt cunning Home 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: from Sky News, good morning to you. Hang on, I 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: don't think I'm hearing anybody at the moment. 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: That's gonna hold me here. 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: You're all here and Daran Young, thank you so much, 12 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: the deputy leader of the opposition. Got the two deputies 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: in here, and we are expecting Cat McNamara from the 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: Greens as well. Running a little bit late, a bit 15 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: of a mix up with the timing, but look I 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: do want to head straight to some news, some pretty 17 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: terrifying news I think from overnight. The Northern Territory Police 18 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: say that they've now arrested a nineteen year old woman 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: following a series of random attacks in perap yesterday evening. 20 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: At about six fifteen pm. Police received multiple reports of 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: the woman pursuing individuals with scissors and attacking them. Three 22 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: victims suffered injuries during the incident. A woman in her 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: sixties was taken to the Royal Darwin Hospital by Saint 24 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: John Ambulance with non life threatening injuries. A seventy year 25 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: old man and a twenty seven year old man suffered 26 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: injuries and were treated at the scene. Now CCTV operators 27 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: monitored the situation in real time, enabling police to quickly 28 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: locate and arrest the offender nearby. She was taken into 29 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: custody and transported to the Palmerston Watchhouse, where she's since 30 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: been charged with three counts of aggravated assault and one 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: count of going armed in public. She's been reminded to 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: appear in the Darwin Local Court today. It is horrifying stuff. 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: Yes, Katy, this is one of the reasons why the 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: COLP took the election, that we're going to reduce crime 35 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: across the Northern Territory not thinking about her. Imagine these 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: poor victims is randomly doing their every day to day 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 3: business getting stabbed by someone in the street. That is 38 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 3: just completely unacceptable and that's why the Sealpia government and 39 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: next week in Parliament which is our first innings, are 40 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: going to introduce those Jackline law amendments to make it 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: tougher for these criminals to be out on the street, 42 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: because we know that the territory needs to be a 43 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: safe place and you need to be safe, and it 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: right now is not happening. 45 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: It's horrifying. Like I think to myself, my mum often 46 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: comes into town from man and Greta, you know, and 47 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: works in parap Imagine if you're walking to your car 48 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: and someone comes at you with a pair of scissors, 49 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, I mean even just looking at that, a 50 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: woman in her sixties, a man in their seventies, you 51 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: would absolutely you'd be quite terrified someone coming at you 52 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: with some scissors. Right. 53 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 2: The whole thing was live streamed on the Mango Enquirer 54 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: and it's pretty frightening to watch. Well, certainly the aftermath 55 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: of it. I think it started on the bus from 56 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: what I can gather, and then Shannon from the Mango 57 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: Inquirer is actually following this woman around until the police 58 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: arrest her. And one of the victims is actually you know, 59 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: there in his video. So it's pretty confronting staff to 60 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: see it and to think that someone is just just 61 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: wandering around in a Darwin suburb doing that it's quite scary. 62 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know whether there are other issues 63 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: at play there, but you know, I think when when 64 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: there are random attacks like that, it's like the one 65 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: we saw outside the Nightcliff barber the other day a 66 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. You might have been away, Katie, 67 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: but there was a man there who was stabbed by 68 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: somebody's walking in to get his hair cut and he 69 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: got stabbed there. And there were other people who were 70 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: injured in that random attack as well, and then there 71 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: was you know, obviously worst case scenario. You saw what 72 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: happened at Bondi earlier this year, and I think just 73 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: those sort of you know, incidents where it's totally random, 74 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: where you know, people are running around stabbing people that 75 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: they don't even know, I think that's quite frightening for 76 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: the public. 77 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: Oh, it's absolutely horrifying, isn't it to run? I mean, 78 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: there's no other way to put it. 79 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. 80 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 5: You know, it's very unacceptable and it's pretty concerning. And 81 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 5: my thoughts so with the victims as well. Obviously that 82 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 5: would have been pretty scary moment for them themselves. But 83 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 5: I think too, you know, we don't know the details 84 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 5: of this yet it's obviously quite it's only just come 85 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 5: out as well, and obviously there's some underlining issues for 86 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 5: that young lady to actually have an episode like that, 87 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 5: and you know that that probably needs to be addressed 88 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 5: to you know, what's going on, what triggered that type 89 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 5: of behavior. It's quite concerning that. 90 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 4: Someone would be doing that. 91 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 5: And yeah, you know, I think that we don't have 92 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 5: the details of the whole incident yet. 93 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: Look, and you know, you very often do think and 94 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: you wonder sometimes when these types of incidents happen. And 95 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: we've seen over the years in different locations, not just 96 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: here in the Northern Territory, but sometimes mental health issues 97 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: are behind different different issues that do occur. Now, I'm 98 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: not saying that that's the case here. I've got absolutely 99 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: no idea, But what I can say is that over 100 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: the last couple of days, we've actually been contacted by 101 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: parents in the Northern Territory and people that are sort 102 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: of saying to me, look, my child does have mental 103 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: health issues or my loved one does have mental health issues, 104 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: and they're not able to receive the support that they 105 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: actually need in the Northern Territory right now. So, as 106 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: I say, I'm not trying to draw conclusions out of 107 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: something where I don't have that level of detail. But 108 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: what I do know is that we have got some 109 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: issues in the Northern Territory when it comes to making 110 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: sure that people are receiving the support and treatment that 111 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: they need. 112 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: Be worth talking to Robert Parker about it, I think, 113 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: because I know that that part of our health system 114 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: has been not just stretched, it's been stretched beyond breaking 115 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 2: point for a long time. You know, we've had what 116 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: they call them outliers, which are the ones who can't 117 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 2: be treated in the mental health dedicated mental health facility 118 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: who are then having to be treated in the emergency 119 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: department in the hospital. We've reported on this before, Katie, 120 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: and it's caused all sorts of grief, both of the 121 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: patients and in particularly for the staff who work in there, 122 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: who've been put in some pretty terrifying situations. So it 123 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: really is something that we haven't got a handle on 124 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,119 Speaker 2: at the moment. It's been an issue for quite a while, 125 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: and that's an issue I think that you know, it 126 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: needs to be addressed urgently by the government. 127 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 3: And ultimately, remember there seems to be this crime spread 128 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 3: right across the territory, doesn't matter where you are, and 129 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 3: it's just been going through the roof. And that's one 130 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 3: of the reasons why the colp are going to bring 131 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: in these type of bail laws to deal with these people. 132 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: There needs to be a consequence. 133 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 4: People in the. 134 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: Going about their day to day business need to be safe. 135 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: And what we want to do is we want to 136 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 3: send a message out there to territories. If you commit 137 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: a crime, you're going to face the manae committed sentence 138 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: lab that. 139 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 4: Absolutely this is a consequence. 140 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: I think most people, including me, would agree with that. 141 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 2: But there also needs to be the proper services in 142 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: place for if there are people who are mentally ill 143 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: who end up in the system, whether it be the 144 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: health system or the justice system for whatever reason, that 145 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 2: they are able to get the proper and adequate treatment 146 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: that they need, and in many cases at the moment 147 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 2: that they're unable to because that that service is just 148 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: stretched beyond breaking point, you know, like that there there 149 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: are I think there's been an increase in people who 150 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: have mental health issues for whatever reason, and I just 151 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: think at the moment our health system doesn't have the 152 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,559 Speaker 2: capacity to adequately deal with those people. 153 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 4: Look, I fully agree with you. 154 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 3: And you see, or Pea government have been in power 155 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: for some four or five weeks and we're looking at 156 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: these issues and it's just across the board it seems 157 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: to be that they've been let down year after year 158 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: after year, and now it's time for the Sealpe to 159 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: come in and fix it. And unfortunately the Labor government's 160 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: left was with eleven billion dollars worth of debts. We 161 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: don't have this huge bucket of money. So we need 162 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: to make sure that we're smart about this because those 163 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: people need to be protected. The innocent people in the 164 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: charity need to be protected, and we need to get 165 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: that balance right. 166 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: Look, we have just had a message come through from 167 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: Amy and she said, get Akatie. I'm very damn brave 168 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: of the Mango Inquirer Shannon on chasing the woman stabbing 169 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: people yesterday, avoh until the police got her. His warning's 170 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: probably saved lives. Many give him shit, but he got there, 171 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: but not this time. And yeah, look I agree, he's there, right, 172 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: he was there and he was brave enough to be 173 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: following her around of filming, so that if you. 174 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: Also warning other people to get out of the way. 175 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, so good. 176 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: On him. 177 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, look, I want to continue our discussion and 178 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: just sort of move it a little bit further, I 179 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: guess because we know that yesterday the Colp government unveiled 180 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: the penalties proposed for assaulting frontline workers. Now they were 181 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: being they're going to be introduced into parliament next week. 182 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: It was the same day, or twenty four hours later, 183 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: less than twenty four hours later, that a female paramedic 184 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: returning home in Alice Springs at the end of her 185 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: shift was set upon and assaulted. Saint John Director of 186 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: Ambulance Services Andrew Thomas said the female paramedic was returning home, 187 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: as I said, after her shift and was punched a 188 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: number of times to the head. She suffered a concussion 189 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: and soft tissue ish injuries as I understand it. He 190 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: has said that the Saint John team in Central Australia 191 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: had been shaken by that incident. As they got well, 192 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: they got out of their vehicle and was attacked by 193 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: someone there. It's again, it's it is really horrible behavior 194 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: that I don't think anybody thinks is acceptable, right, Like 195 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: it's someone returning home from work, but I just it's 196 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: a whole other level when you're somebody who's going out 197 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: there to help other people and you're returning home from 198 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: what was, no doubt a busy shift, and that happens. 199 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: I was going to make it very clear the COLP 200 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: government wanted to support workers, whether you're frontline worker, whether 201 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 3: you're working in the in your backyard business. But this 202 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 3: type of behavior and this attacking these people, especially the 203 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 3: front line there they're protecting you, they're they're protecting territories, 204 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: and yet this serious assault happens on a paramedic whose 205 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: job is to try and save people. It's just completely unacceptable. 206 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: And I know that the CELP government in the last 207 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 3: term tried to bring in laws about protecting the workers, 208 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: and I know the Labor government voted them down and 209 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: rejected them. But the COLP now have committed to making 210 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 3: the law stronger and we're going to protect these territorians, 211 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: protecting frontline workers. And we want to send the message 212 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: out there if you assault or attack a frontline worker, 213 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: there's going to be a consequence. How long will they 214 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 3: get well, there's going to be a management It depends 215 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 3: on the injury. So if you spit on someone three months, 216 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: if you physical harm which agains a medical term three months. 217 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: So it just really depends on what the injury is. 218 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: But what we want to see the clear messages that 219 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: if you assault at frontline worker, managem miniment seems going 220 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,599 Speaker 3: to attach to it and it's going to be a consequence. 221 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think that we have seen time 222 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: and time again frontline worker is being assaulted. There's no 223 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: doubt about that. How broad ranging is it as well? Though, 224 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: dur it is it just is it sort of just 225 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: your police officers and your paramedics. Is it also those 226 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: working in corrections? Is it like people working at the hospital. 227 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: How wide ranging is that? 228 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 4: Well, it's going to be a worker. 229 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: So if you're a worker, and we're going to focus 230 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 3: on the frontline workers because they're the ones out there 231 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: protecting territories. But if you're a worker going about your 232 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: lawful business and you're attacked at work, that's when those 233 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 3: managem miniitfum is going to come into play. And again, 234 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: it depends on the injury you receive, but we want 235 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: to clip send a clear message out there to territory. 236 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: It is not safe, it's not good, and we will 237 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 3: not tolerate you attacking emergency workers. 238 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: So it's emergency workers. So we're all workers, so service 239 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: station attendant for instance, I know that they put up 240 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: with a lot as well. I think it's concerning. Like 241 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: just reading camp Smith's story on this incident, one hundred 242 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: and forty paramedics experienced serious physical or sexual violence in 243 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: the territory in the past twelve months. So that is 244 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: absolutely terrible. 245 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 4: It's just unaccepted. 246 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: You know, that's sort of one every three days. And 247 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, they do an amazing job, those paramedics. 248 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: They shouldn't have to put up with that sort of treatment. 249 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 2: I can only imagine what it's like for them. 250 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 4: You know, I totally agree. 251 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 5: You know, any attack on frontline workers is unacceptable. I 252 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 5: understand there's already penalties in place for that type of 253 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 5: behavior and incidents as well, but you know, I think 254 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 5: to looking at the bigger picture, putting people in the 255 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 5: prison system, it only results to a revolving door people 256 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 5: coming in and out of jail. You know, we want 257 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 5: to look at solutions that actually work, Programs that actually 258 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 5: work to rehabilitate people, to ensure that we have safer communities. 259 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 5: So when people if unfortunately they're in touch with the 260 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 5: justice system, we want them to come out and be 261 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 5: rehabilitated to make the community. 262 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: Safer, which I'm certainly hearing at the moment's not necessarily 263 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: the case in the sense that we have got you 264 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: a prison system that's absolutely overflowing. I think we all 265 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: understand that I've been given some background detail by some 266 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: correctional officers and I won't be able to go into 267 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: too much detail until next week, but we're they're essentially 268 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: saying that some really bad stuff is happening at our 269 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: correctional facilities at the moment. I'm talking assaults on workers 270 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: like we've just touched on, I'm talking assaults on other prisoners. 271 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: And then when this kind of thing's happening, and they're 272 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: also telling me that the prison is absolutely overflowing as 273 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: we know, But how like are any services, there are 274 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: any programs actually then being delivered when the place is 275 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: so busy. 276 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 3: That's the problem, because I am the correction of misses. 277 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: I've receive and briefings about how the prison is, and 278 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: it's just completely links back to the labor guvernment over 279 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: the last eight years failed to put the infrastructure in. 280 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: They knew the numbers are going up, they had all 281 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 3: the information and I'm surprised how much information you get 282 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 3: because now actually see what the labor government have been 283 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: able to get for the last eight years, and they 284 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: chose not to do think about it. They left it 285 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: how it was and soid it'll be right, but it's 286 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: not right. So now the seal Pa guvernment's coming in 287 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: to clean up the mess. We've briefed the Corrections Commissioner 288 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 3: with myself and the chief on many occasions to come 289 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: up with a plan to fix it. 290 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 4: So we're working out right. 291 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 3: Now and we think we've come up with a plan, 292 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: but we need to fine tune it, we need to 293 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 3: cost it because unfortunately, we're not going to fix this 294 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 3: labor mess after eight years in one week or two weeks. 295 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: So we're going to get on top of it. 296 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 3: And we know that there's ninety six beds coming on 297 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 3: in our springs soon because there's those cottages which are 298 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 3: there which seem to be installed incorrectly. So they're trying 299 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: to fix that at the moment, and so we're working 300 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: on it. We've got a plan and it's a really 301 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: high priority of our government to make sure that the 302 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: prison numbers are dealt with properly because we want to 303 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 3: offer those rehabilitation programs which the Labor government forgot to do. 304 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 4: We want to talk about the mandatory. 305 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 3: Alcohol rehabilitation is part of our commitments because a lot 306 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 3: of these issues we talk about our drag and our 307 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: cohore writers. So we want to make sure that this 308 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 3: becomes a health issue like you spoke about earlier, and 309 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: we want to make sure that those see will get 310 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: that treatment so they don't go back into jail into 311 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: the future. 312 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 4: So what's the plan. Well, I can't. I'm not going 313 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 4: to tell you. 314 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: Like the plane, you've got a plan, you may as 315 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: well tell us what we're working on a plan plan. 316 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: The Labor government used to say, oh, we're going on 317 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: a plan. 318 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 4: The planning we will, we will end? 319 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: Are you going to repurpose the don Dale and the. 320 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 4: As facility? 321 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: All I'm going to say is everything is on the table. 322 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: We are going to make sure that we may. 323 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: Well beyond everything's on the table. You've got a plan. 324 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: So we're working on a plan, I said, and we 325 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: were ready to. 326 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 4: Go, and we've got to step backwards already. 327 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: We are going to announce this in due course. But 328 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: what we're going to do is we're going to make 329 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 3: sure that we spend the tax payers money wisely, because again, 330 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: eleven billion dollars get through the labor gumment, so we 331 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: don't have this huge bucket of money to fix it. 332 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 3: And we also know you can't just build a prison overnight, 333 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 3: so it takes a lot of time to build. 334 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 4: A prison and a lot of money to build a prison. 335 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: And we want to focus on the rehabilitation of those 336 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: prisoners that going back in there. 337 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: That's what we're going to focus to our listeners. Kat 338 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: Magnamara from the Greens has just joined us in the 339 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: studio as well. Get akat, thank you for your time. 340 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: What do you make of this whole situation? 341 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 6: Well, I want to know particularly any plans about alternatives 342 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 6: to custody. So if we're talking about the prisons being 343 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 6: full and overflowing and the pressure on staff, is that 344 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 6: one of the alternatives where people are looking at the 345 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 6: fact that we can fill our prisons to the brim, 346 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 6: it doesn't appear to be working, and we're talking about 347 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 6: the lack of programs or things in there. I just 348 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 6: was looking and reading this morning about an alternative to 349 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 6: custody program in our Springs for women and because we know, 350 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 6: we have the highest recidivism rates in the country right 351 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 6: it's like over sixty percent of people offend again. And 352 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 6: this program in our Springs, I think they had eighty 353 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 6: percent of the women that went through this alternative custy 354 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 6: program didn't reoffend afterwards. 355 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: Everybody you reckon. 356 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 3: Look, we are definitely looking at that because that's what 357 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 3: we want to try and do. We want to stop 358 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 3: these people going back into the prison. We want to 359 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: be able to give them an opportunity to change their 360 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: lives around so they can get back and be a 361 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: member of the community who's actually going to be productive 362 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: and pay the taxes and get a job. So we're 363 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: going to work hard on that. We've committed to the 364 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: mandatory treatment of alcohol because a lot of these people 365 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: are alcoholics and they don't want to get treatment, so 366 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: we want to make sure that they get the treatment 367 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: to be able to turn their life around. 368 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: Look, we are going to talk alcohol very shortly. We're 369 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: going to have to take a very quick break. There 370 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: are so many messages coming through on the text signe, 371 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: so I might have to read a couple of those 372 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: out as well. This morning, you are listening to Mix 373 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: one oh four nine's three sixty It is the week 374 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: that was. You are listening to three sixties week that was, 375 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: And if you've just joined us in the studio today, 376 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: we've got the Deputy Chief Minister Jared Mayley, We've got 377 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: the Deputy Opposition Leader Daran Young, we've got Kat mac 378 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: namara for the Greens and Matt Cunningham from Sky News. Now, 379 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: there has been a lot of announcements over recent days 380 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: about the legislation that's going to be introduced into Parliament 381 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: for next week. It's a lot of legislation that the 382 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: Opposition and is pushing forwards with and one of those 383 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: pieces of legislation is around the changes to public drinking. 384 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: So we know that stronger laws is what the Corp 385 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: government said to deal with nuisance public drinking and problem 386 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: drunks will be introduced, debated and passed. The Chief Minister 387 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: saying the new Nuisance Public Drinking Offense is going to 388 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: give police powers to fine, charge and arrest people in 389 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: public places where alcohol is prohibited, as well as issuing 390 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: those same people a seven day band drinker order. Look, 391 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: the issues around public drunkeness are something that's been very 392 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: well documented on this show. We've had numerous discussions about 393 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: people drinking in those public places and it then turning 394 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: to bad behavior. I mean, Matt, you and I had 395 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: spoken a bit before the election about an instance outside 396 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory News and Sky News studio where there 397 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: had been people that were drinking there for a couple 398 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: of days and it then turned into quite a bad 399 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: role in the. 400 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: Car park, someone chasing another guy around with a machete. 401 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 2: It was quite confronting, and they've been camped there for days, 402 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: if not weeks, I think, I mean, and I mean 403 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: it's yeah, there's a little sort of grass area there 404 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 2: and go through there, and I was walking through there 405 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 2: just the day before yesterday when this announcement was made. 406 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: I didn't have to wander far from the office to 407 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: get some footage because there's just cast wine casts and 408 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: Bundy rum bottles and VB cans just strewn everywhere. So 409 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: I think, you know, it does become a problem when 410 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 2: it goes beyond someone just having a drink in the 411 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: park to you know, some pretty unruly behavior that impacts 412 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: you know, other people who are just trying to go 413 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 2: about their business. 414 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 3: This will give the police the opportunity to be proactive 415 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 3: and go and stop that behavior before it starts, because 416 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: you're right, Katie talks about, it leads to those problem 417 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 3: drinks later it's either domestic violence or they go and 418 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 3: break into a place to get some more alcohol, or 419 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 3: it's just actulutely violent between themselves. And people see that, 420 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 3: and you know, we're a lot of a big count 421 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 3: of tourist that come up here and the last thing 422 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 3: we want to be able to do is portray ourselves 423 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 3: as a place for people sitting in the parks drinking, 424 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: fighting and then it commits to crime. So we've listened 425 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 3: to the territories, we've listened to the police. This will 426 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 3: give the police some power to be proactive and go 427 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 3: and deal with those problems at the very beginning. And 428 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 3: they're also be about to ask their names and say 429 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 3: is there a breach of Baylor, Is there a breach 430 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: of prole Are there any breaches of domestic violence orders? 431 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 3: Because we know you can have domestic violence orders where 432 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 3: you can be together as long as. 433 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 4: You're not drinking. 434 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: And what the history is is that people be in 435 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: a relationship, they're fine when they're not drunk, but when 436 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 3: they start drinking, they cause some dramas later, so the 437 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 3: police recognize that, and domestic violence orders allow for that 438 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 3: to happen. So it gives the police the power to 439 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: be proactive and also makes our streets safer because there's 440 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 3: not going to be that crime happening later on into 441 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: the future. 442 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: I know they'd previously been concerns that or the reason 443 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: I suppose that the two kilometer rule had been abolished 444 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: in the first place was to decriminalize that drinking in public, 445 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: is my understanding. I mean, Jeran, what do you make 446 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: of the legislative change that's being proposed. 447 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I'm very concerned about this new change to 448 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 5: the legislation. Criminalizing people who have substance abuse is not 449 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 5: the way to go. We know that people need to 450 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 5: be again put into programs to support and it's quite 451 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 5: concerning around the press release and the language that Jared's 452 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 5: using to just assume that people are already criminals, that 453 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 5: people are you know, may have domestic violence orders or 454 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 5: breach of bail's orders. Like you know, you can't just 455 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 5: assume that because people are drinking in the park. But 456 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 5: this will put a lot of pressure on our justice system. 457 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 5: We've already got a justice system that has those pressures 458 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 5: in place. So yeah, I'm pretty concerned about it. 459 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 6: Kat, What do you, Mike, Well, I mean, we're looking 460 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 6: at a situation when we just don't have like well funded, 461 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 6: accessible rehabs and things like that, you know, So I 462 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 6: think you know, when you talk to people who are 463 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 6: like workers in this space, they say that most people 464 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 6: know they know if they need help, and they know 465 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 6: they want to get it. But you know, if you've 466 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 6: got really long waitless and things like that, you know, 467 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 6: if people can't access the help they need, what's going 468 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 6: to spill out over onto the streets. So then we're 469 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 6: just going to criminalize them instead of actually offering the 470 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 6: help that they need. 471 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 2: I just wonder if the government's mandatory alcohol rehabilitation program, Jared, 472 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 2: I mean, is it a case where if police come 473 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 2: across people who are nuisance public drinking, will they then 474 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 2: be referred to mandatory alcohol rehabilitation. What's the process when 475 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 2: it comes to taking someone who is on the street 476 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: drinking potentially causing problems to getting to the mandatory alcohol 477 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: rehabilitation that the government's proposing. 478 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: Well, look, ultimately, if the detail exactly how you get 479 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: from the street into the rehabilitation program hasn't been worked. 480 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 4: Out yet, but we are. What we want to try 481 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 4: to plan. What we want to join is make the 482 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 4: streets safer. 483 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: And we understand that these people have been drinking for 484 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: a while and they've got a problem, and we want 485 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: to deal with those people. And I disagree with what 486 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: you're saying that people cat that people who know they've 487 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 3: got to and they want to go and get help. 488 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: These people don't want to get help. That's the problem 489 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 3: that we face at the moment. They go into the 490 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: hospital and they just walk out. And I've seen it. 491 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 3: They go in there and the nurses say, were trying 492 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 3: to treat these people and they just walk off. 493 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 4: They don't want to be there. So we need to 494 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 4: make sure that these people get. 495 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: The help they need through manatory rehabilitation of alcohol and drugs, 496 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: because they're the people out there who causing crime as 497 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: it rolls on, and we want to make them have 498 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,239 Speaker 3: a better life, to give them an opportunity to make 499 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 3: better decision. So we want to try and help them 500 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 3: when we can, and know we's not going to help everyone, 501 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: but if we can say fifty or sixty seventy percent 502 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 3: of these people and get their lives back on track. Well, 503 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 3: that's going to be a win for the territory and 504 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 3: it's going to reduce crime. 505 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 6: And I just like say, that's not just my opinion 506 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 6: that these people want help. These workers have directly told 507 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 6: in that time time again they've got people languishing on 508 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 6: waitlists who desperately want help and they can't get it. 509 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: Now. Look still on the discussion about alcohol, I know 510 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: that the Association of Alcohol and Other Drug Agencies Northern 511 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: Territory is called on the new Northern Territory government to 512 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: retain minimum unit pricing as a major, evidence based and 513 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: cost effective policy to reduce alcohol related crime, and him 514 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: the Executive Officer, Stephanie Holmes, has said alcohol attributed death 515 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: rates for Indigenous Territorians are ten times higher than the 516 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: national average and two times higher for non Indigenous Territorians 517 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: and that it's critical that the new government invests in 518 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: effective alcohol policy reforms in the Northern Territory. Jared, what's 519 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: going to happen with this minimum unit pricing? Is it 520 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: going to be scrapped? 521 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 4: It is going to be scrapped. 522 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: We've committed to that and we've heard from various sources 523 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,479 Speaker 3: across the territory that what it's doing is driving these 524 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: people to drink the heavier drinks. And Matt has said 525 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: earlier he went just next door into all run bottles. 526 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: I ride my pushbike around and the chief rive and 527 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 3: we see people drinking. Evidence of these people drinking in 528 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: the morning off the gym, bean bottles and run bottles. 529 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 3: So what we're being told is what is doing is 530 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 3: forcing these people onto the heavier types of spirits and 531 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 3: they're becoming more intoxicated and more causing more crimes. So 532 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 3: we want to make sure that we get rid of 533 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 3: that because there's no evidence that has worked. The money 534 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: is raised and that goes to the public and doesn't 535 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: go into the taxpayers to pay for these managory health 536 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 3: programs that we want to want to get in place, 537 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: because that's the second part of the question. 538 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 4: We're not just going to do that. We're going to re. 539 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 3: Visit and look at these managment programs and make sure 540 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 3: these people are available or sorry, programs are available for 541 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 3: these people to get help when they need it. 542 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: Well, Jared, look, they say the ADAENT, so the Alcohol 543 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: and Other Drugs Association say that there's been a fourteen 544 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: percent decline in alcohol related assaults in Darwin as a 545 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: result of that minimum flaw pricing. I mean you said 546 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: there's not evidence to support that. Do you think they're 547 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: making it up. 548 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 3: No, that's just one party and we hear what they 549 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: have to say. But we're looking at the big picture here. 550 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 3: We want to make the charity a safer place and 551 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 3: we think and we went out there to the election 552 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: in this commitment, and we won the election, and we've 553 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: got to mandate to make the charitory a safer place 554 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 3: and that's part of our electoral commitments and we're going 555 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 3: to press on with that because we want to make 556 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: sure the teritory and territories are safe. 557 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 4: And this is a good place. I was born here. 558 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 3: This place is worth fighting for. I want to make 559 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 3: it a land of opportunity what it. 560 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 4: Used to be. 561 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 6: I'd just like to say that. I think when you 562 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 6: talk about saying that the evidence isn't there. The big 563 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 6: elephant in the room, and the question is who's saying that. 564 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 6: And the elephant in the room is the alcohol lobby 565 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 6: and their influence on this, because that hurts that bottom 566 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 6: line because when you talk to alcohol policy researchers, right, 567 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 6: people who have that's just their job. 568 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 7: They live and breathe. 569 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 6: Looking at the results in the data, they say that 570 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 6: the evidence is crystal clear that the lowering the price 571 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 6: is going to cause more harm. 572 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: So do you reckon the government's being held to ransom 573 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: by the alcohol lobbyists. 574 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 6: We have a really big problem here in the territory 575 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 6: with the influence of lobbyists, that includes your alcohol lobby 576 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 6: and they've had a lot to do with this and 577 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 6: the dialogue around this. So I'd be asking what do 578 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 6: people have to gain about this when they're saying there's 579 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 6: no evidence, when the researchers say there absolutely is evidence. 580 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: I think that the problem with that argument, and I 581 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 2: saw one of the people in the release you were 582 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 2: quoting in the news saying the same thing is that 583 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 2: when it comes to the floor price, the extra money 584 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: that's charged goes to the retailer, So the retail is 585 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 2: actually profiting from the increased price under the floor price. 586 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: Actually think the alcohol industry is such as has a 587 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: big gain from the floor price when it comes to 588 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 2: the data that you told. I'd love to see the 589 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 2: raw data because I've previously done my own analysis and 590 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 2: I don't have a horse in this race, Katie. I 591 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: remember when the previous government, the Gunner government, first brought 592 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: in the floor price. I said good on them, because 593 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: what previously had been done had not worked. But the 594 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 2: data that I have looked at when it comes to 595 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: the floor price doesn't show evidence of things improving. I 596 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: think we talked about this last week. When it was 597 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: first introduced, we saw a decrease in alice springs at 598 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 2: the time, but it coincided with the introduction of the 599 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: palis on the bottle shops. That is one measure that 600 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 2: has proven time and time again to be effective when 601 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: it is used and when it is taken away. We've 602 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 2: consistently seen alcohol fueled harm increase, and yet at the 603 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 2: same time, over the same time period in Darwen and Palmerston, 604 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: where there were no palis, we didn't see alcohol issues 605 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 2: come down. In fact, we saw a slight increase in 606 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: them in Darwen and Parmesan. So I'm not sure that 607 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 2: what data they're relying on there. I see they're saying 608 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 2: a fourteen percent. 609 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 4: Decrease. 610 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 2: I'd love to see the raw data because I've seen 611 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: other reports that show that the floor price has not 612 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 2: really had any impact, and other reports that have even 613 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 2: said that there is evidence that the floor price is 614 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 2: pushing people off cask wine and onto hardest spirits like 615 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: Bundy rum, and that we are seeing then increase violence 616 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 2: as a result of the shift from one alcohol product 617 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: to the other. 618 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 7: And I'd just like to I would love to see 619 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 7: the evidence. 620 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: Of who is putting those reports forward. 621 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 6: Because from what I understand, it's not that people are 622 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 6: going and drinking rum and spirits. 623 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 7: It's actually that they're drinking less. 624 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 6: There is this evidence to say that you put the 625 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 6: price up, they will drink a less amount, and so 626 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 6: that's where they get. 627 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: I just don't know if I believe it, you know, 628 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: like just anecdotally, Yeah, well, this is the thing, Like 629 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: just anecdotally, I mean when you do go around the place, 630 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: and I know, for a while there there was like 631 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: you'd walk along the Stuart Highway there near Parap and 632 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: there was just rum bottles littered around, you know, like 633 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: around the place. And it's it's a serious issue. We all, like, 634 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: we all understand that, and I'm all for anything that 635 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: we can do to try to minimize the terrible issues 636 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: that we've got in the Northern Territory when it comes 637 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: to alcohol related harm because I think we see so 638 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: much of it right, you know, when you talk about 639 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: domestic violence, when you talk about assaults, just crime more generally, 640 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: but even in terms of people's well being. But I 641 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: do think that there needs to be We'd love to 642 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: see what. 643 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: Measure they're using, because I don't think anyone who lives 644 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory would say that between twenty eighteen, 645 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: I think when the floor price was introduced in twenty 646 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 2: twenty four, we've had a decrease in alcohol fueled violence. 647 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 4: We saw things absolutely absolutely. 648 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: Spiral out of control in our springs and we know 649 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 2: that was largely because alcohol was allowed back into town camps, 650 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 2: but even in Darwin, across the board. I mean, if 651 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: we've seen a fourteen percent decrease over the last eight years, 652 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: I must be living in a different city. 653 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 7: But no one thing is going to solve the problem. No, 654 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 7: I agree. 655 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: I agree with you. 656 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: I agree that no one thing's going to solve the problem. 657 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: But I don't think we should use things if they 658 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: don't work. I have the same view and I've had 659 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: it for a long time. On the band Drinker Register, 660 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: it was born in under the Henderson government for one 661 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: year it had no impact alcohol related assaults and alcohol 662 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: department emergency department presentations increased over that twelve months, and 663 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: yet for the next however long, it was held up 664 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 2: as the great holy grail of ending our alcohol issues. 665 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: Like I think we need to if something doesn't work, 666 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: As I was saying last week, we need to have 667 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: an absolutely independent, objective assessment. And I get what you're 668 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: saying about the alcohol industry and its influence, but I 669 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: think that there are those in the industry that's I'm 670 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: totally opposed to alcohol that bring their own bias to 671 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: this argument. At times, I would love to just see 672 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 2: the raw data and have a totally independent and objective 673 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: assessment of where the numbers are and what's happening and 674 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 2: go so that we can make a decision about what 675 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: works and what doesn't, because I don't I don't think 676 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: the full prices work. 677 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: Look, we're going to take a really quick break. You 678 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: are listening to mix one O four nine's three sixty. 679 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: What is the week that was? Now with all this 680 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: new legislation that is being introduced, I mean we've got 681 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: the ram raaid legislation as well, that's set to be 682 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: introduced next week. We have got the the age of 683 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: criminal responsibility changing, We've got the changes to public drinking, 684 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: we've got the minimum mandatory sentencing when it comes to 685 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: assaulting frontline workers. Now, Kat, you joined me on the 686 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: show a little earlier in the week and really called 687 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: for some further scrutiny on some of the legislation. I 688 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: know that Jerry Wood, the former Independent member from many 689 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: years ago, had also been in contact with me to 690 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: sort of question whether we do need scrutiny committees back 691 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: in place to further look at some of this legislation 692 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: and to make sure that it's not going to have 693 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: unintended consequences. Yeah. 694 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 6: I mean, look, I think that they just seen they're 695 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 6: therefore the purposes it's cross party government, opposition, crossband to 696 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 6: come together, go through things with a fine toothcomb and 697 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 6: make sure that the laws that we're making are going 698 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 6: to do what we want them to do. And I 699 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 6: just think that, you know, scrutiny is a good thing. 700 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 6: If you're going to put for a proposal and you 701 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 6: stand by it, then you should be okay with the 702 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 6: being scrutinized. So I think they should be brought back absolutely. 703 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: I guess the hard part is. And you know, some 704 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: would argue that you know that the election proved that 705 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: people want. 706 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 3: Some actually just going to say that the biggest scrutiny 707 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: committee that's just been is the election, and we come 708 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 3: out as hard and faster, we're going to reduce crime. 709 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 3: And we told people before the election that we're going 710 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 3: to do these laws about the bail, the drinking, and 711 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 3: look at the result of the election. So I don't 712 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 3: think you could get a bigger committee and bigger cross 713 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 3: section of people to review these laws. It's clear that 714 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: that's what territorians want. They've given us a job to 715 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 3: do and we are holding fast and we're going to 716 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 3: get it done. We're going to reduce crime across the territory. 717 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have a situation like our unicameral parliament 718 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: means that there's not the scrutiny that exists in other 719 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: parts of the country. Right, And it was the previous 720 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: Labor government that actually scrapped the scrutiny committees and that 721 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: was a massive backflip on what they promised to do 722 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: when they came to power, restoring integrity to government, et cetera, 723 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: et cetera. I mean, the most effective I've seen the 724 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 2: Northern Territory Parliament operate and a Northern Territory government. Work 725 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: was between two thousand and nine and twenty twelve where Henderson, 726 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: Paul Henderson, lost his majority when Alison Anderson quit and 727 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: relied on Jerry Wood, and Jerry Wood became like a 728 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: one man scrutiny committee, like you know, he was the one, 729 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 2: you know, And we haven't had that since. And I 730 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: think one of the issues we've had is that we 731 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: have had such strong majorities and such weak oppositions. You 732 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: go back to twenty sixteen and it was eighteen to two, 733 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 2: we're in a situation now where at sixteen to four. 734 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: I agree with Kat. I think there should be scrutiny committees. 735 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: I think that legislation, legislation needs to be scrutinized. And 736 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 2: I don't understand why Labor, who was so keen to 737 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: have those scrutiny committees put in in twenty sixteen, got 738 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: rid of them after twenty twenty. 739 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: Douran, what do you reckon? Do they need to be reintroduced? 740 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, obviously, like I agree with having scrutiny committees. 741 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 5: When they were abandoned, that was before my time when 742 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 5: I was a member. No. No, well, look I wasn't 743 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 5: in government. 744 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 4: At that time. 745 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 5: That was before my time, but I've always been a 746 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 5: bit advocate to ensure that there is scrutiny over legislation. 747 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 4: I think it's important. 748 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 5: I think it's we need, you know, the public, we 749 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 5: need peak bodies to be able to put in submissions 750 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 5: to look at that legislation and look at actually what 751 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 5: impact that may have on a community. So I think 752 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 5: it's very important because, as Matt Rightley said, at the moment, 753 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 5: you know, we only have one house up here. We 754 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 5: don't have it's not a two house system, where in 755 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 5: other jurisdictions you would have to negotiate with the Senate 756 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 5: for example. So I think bringing back scrutiny committees is 757 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 5: a good thing for democracy and it will mean that 758 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 5: we'll get better legislation and the impact to the community 759 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 5: will be a lot better as well. 760 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: Jared, is it something that the government's planning on doing. 761 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 3: No, Look, the territories has given us a job to do. 762 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: We're going to make the teritory safer place and we're 763 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 3: going to get it done. 764 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 5: So I remember, I do remember when they were gone 765 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 5: that Leophankiara was the one, you know, throwing her hands 766 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 5: up in the air and saying that, you know, we 767 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 5: we need these scrutiny committees. 768 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 4: So what's the backflip. 769 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 2: There's hypocrisy all over the place. As a CLP who 770 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: cried blue murder when they were when Laby got rid 771 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: of the scrutiny committees, it's not going to bring them back. 772 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 4: This Lavery got rid of the scrutiny. 773 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 7: Yeah. 774 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: But like I said, look, you do wonder though. I 775 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: do think to myself, you know, I can understand that 776 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: the government's really keen to get things moving and get 777 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: them moving quickly. I get that, and there was certainly 778 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: an election that you know, that showed that people want 779 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: to want that action. But I do wander down the track. 780 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: You know, from what we've seen under the last government, 781 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: we did have some real issues because there wasn't that 782 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: greater scrutiny put on different pieces of legislation, And and 783 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: I do sort of think to myself, is it something 784 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: that you know that he's going to be or could 785 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: potentially be a good thing longer term. 786 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 3: Well, look, it's certainly not on the table right now. 787 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 3: What we're doing right now is we're getting on with 788 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 3: the job of what territories elected us to do, which 789 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 3: is to make the chair if you're a safer place. 790 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 3: We've got four years to do this. We're going to 791 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 3: get it through now because the territories right now is 792 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 3: not a safe place. Yesterday in perhaps people getting stabbed. 793 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 3: You know, my wife was written with the knife at 794 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 3: Coward Springs, you know recently in the last week. This 795 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 3: is what's happening right across the territory. And we want 796 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 3: to make the Cherifiy a safer place. We're going to 797 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 3: do that, and we're going to get started next week 798 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 3: because we came out before the election and told territory 799 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 3: exactly what we're going to do, and now we're going 800 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 3: to get the job done. 801 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 5: Well. 802 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: Look, earlier in the week, Cat, you'd said tongues wagging 803 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: after you had said on the show, revealed on the 804 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: show that your husband is a contractor for Impects, some 805 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: people calling it quite hypocritical. As I say, it definitely 806 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: got people talking. There's no doubt about that. Are we 807 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: in trouble when you got home it was your rash No, 808 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: not all. 809 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 7: So first of all, a few things to clear up. 810 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 6: He doesn't actually work there anymore, Okay, okay, so it 811 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 6: was previously. 812 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 7: Also, secondly, it wasn't revealed. 813 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 6: I actually spoke about it on the campaign lots, so 814 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 6: especially I was out door knocking, right, You're talking to people. 815 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 7: From all walks of life. 816 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 6: I don knocked GUS workers and other tradees and you know, 817 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 6: had big, real chats with them about the future of 818 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 6: their work and the future of the industry. 819 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 7: So it's something that I'm very open about. 820 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: So just not revealed to the media prior, I guess. 821 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 7: So I hadn't really seen if the media had seen 822 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 7: it or not. 823 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think it's something you needed to 824 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: reveal to the media. I thought I thought it was 825 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 2: interesting though. The thing, like reading back your interview with Katie, 826 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 2: the thing that was curious to me was like, you say, 827 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 2: we want to you know, if he had a job 828 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 2: in if he could get a job in a different industry, 829 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 2: like a renewables industry, you know, that would be the goal, 830 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. I just don't understand the opposition 831 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 2: to middle Arm, which is essentially like trying to get 832 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: some of these green energy projects off the ground, green hydrogen, 833 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: et cetera. Like if we want to transition from some 834 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 2: of those jobs to some of these new industry jobs. 835 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 2: Wouldn't middle Arm be a good thing to help facilitate that. 836 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? 837 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 6: Sure, if middle Arm actually was about renewables and sustainability. 838 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,399 Speaker 6: The problem is is that they designed a gas hub 839 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 6: to facilitate fracking in the Bedloo and make a gas 840 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 6: export hub and then slack the word sustainable on it. 841 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 6: I mean, all the FLI documents from the initial business 842 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 6: case showed they literally said it was designed to facilitate 843 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 6: gas from the Bedloo. They're dredging the harbor to build 844 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 6: wharves to expook. It's not even for us to export 845 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 6: the gas overseas. 846 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 7: So I'm just not buying that middle Arm is going 847 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 7: to do it sustainble. 848 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 3: Is it going to be sustainable, Jared, It's going to 849 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 3: be a project that will boost the terroriftory economy and 850 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 3: will give territory in his jobs like your partner. It's 851 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 3: going to be out there to be able to a 852 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 3: place where people can come up here at Land of 853 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 3: Opportunity get a job. Middle Arm is not only about 854 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,959 Speaker 3: the gas, it's about the carbon captriin storage. It's about 855 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 3: a whole range of different things. The green hydrogen. I 856 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 3: think there's going to be talking about a solar farm 857 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 3: near there to get power into it. It's a big 858 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 3: project that's going to get the charity back on track. 859 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: Hey, one of the questions I keep getting asked every 860 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: day just about it's about the solar tariff and when 861 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: those changes are going to be reintroduced that the COLP 862 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: government has had promised. 863 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 3: Well, actually, this brief come across my desk yesterday and 864 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 3: we're just working on exactly how we're going to bring 865 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 3: it back in in relation to the twelve thousand dollars 866 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 3: battery package to work out how many killer what's our 867 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 3: per battery, and we're trying to get some technical information 868 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 3: about that. So that's going to be sooner than later. 869 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 3: The work is happening. I literally read it yesterday, so 870 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 3: that'll come as soon. 871 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 4: As we can. 872 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: What do we make of that, I mean, do you 873 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: think it's a good thing? 874 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 2: Well, no, I don't because the problem, the reason that 875 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 2: it had to be reduced in the first place, was 876 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 2: because the solar rooftop solar uptake was happening so quick 877 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 2: that it was endangering the stability of the grid. That's 878 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 2: why it was I know it upset a lot of 879 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 2: people that it was dropped from basically one to one 880 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: and cut to about a third of that overnight, So 881 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 2: it wasn't managed particularly well. But this is the issue, 882 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 2: like our electricity system just can't handle that kind of 883 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 2: solar power. It's the same reason that those three solar 884 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 2: farms are still sitting there basically doing almost nothing because 885 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 2: of the instability that it causes in our grid. And 886 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 2: that's why gas is such an important part but future energy. 887 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 3: Main part of that program is about bringing batteries back 888 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 3: into these people so they can be able to have 889 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 3: their mini power station. I suppose you could start at 890 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 3: home so they can have their batteries. We could run 891 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 3: their home during the nighttime, the solar panels can charge 892 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 3: it up so you can effectively run off grid. 893 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 2: Well, it's going to take a long time before you 894 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 2: get enough battery uptake to be able to do that. 895 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 2: So I would imagine that the doubling of the feed 896 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 2: in Tariff is not. 897 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 4: Only a team soon. 898 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that we do that off peak time, which is 899 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 3: at night time and during that sort of the twilight zone. 900 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 3: But our main focus is on getting these batteries into 901 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 3: people's houses to give that grid the disability it needs 902 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 3: because you're right, so all the soul powers in and 903 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 3: goes up and down, cloud comes over and bang where 904 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 3: we have a power blackout. 905 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 7: I just want to say that that's the idea that 906 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 7: somehow like it's the soul of the problem. Is the 907 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 7: technology exists right. 908 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 6: So South Australia is just announced they're going to be 909 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 6: one hundred percent by twenty twenty. 910 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 2: Eight twenty with an interconnect to the news houthy where 911 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 2: they can they can back to. 912 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 6: Talk about we have such tiny, tiny rates of solar 913 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 6: renewables here like we could be doing. 914 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 3: So we're way over the top in relation to uptake 915 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 3: of solo on houses competed to the Southern study. 916 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 4: We're all over the top. 917 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 3: I was ready yesterday that we've got more solo on 918 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 3: roots and houses because we get so much good. 919 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 2: Well, the uptake with the one to one happened too 920 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 2: quickly and that's. 921 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 4: What caused the problem. 922 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 2: That's why I had to stop overnight. 923 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: Look anyway, well, look we're gonna have to take a 924 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: very quick break because we've got to pay some bills 925 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: and then when we come back, we are going to 926 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: finish off with well Luke Gosling can continuing on with 927 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: his discussion about Aldi and whether it's going to enter 928 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: the market here in the Northern Territory. More in a 929 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: few moments time, but before we wrap up for the morning, 930 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: we know that Luke Gosling is continuing his push to 931 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: try and bring Aldi to Darwin, hoping to meet with 932 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: the German bosses of the company after having no luck 933 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: with the Australian office. Now, he was on the show 934 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: yesterday and you know, we were trying to have a 935 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: pretty straightforward conversation about his plans. It became quite rude 936 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: and some of those simple questions asked about how he 937 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: planned to get them across the line given the tyranny 938 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: of distance from a warehouse and the fact that the 939 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: company has said that they've got no plans to open 940 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory. I mean, like some of it 941 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't sort of wrap my head around. But he 942 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: said that he sought a German contact for discussions with 943 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: the German console and any trip to Germany, if it 944 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: happens to meet with them, will be self funded. We've 945 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: heard a lot of these discussions over the years. I mean, 946 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: who else have who else has tried to enter the 947 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: market in the Northern Territory, or we've. 948 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,479 Speaker 4: Tried to team he's needed. 949 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 2: The Maya campaign, you know, we got people sitting their 950 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 2: little coupon to center Bernie Brooks. 951 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 4: Who was the boss of Myra. 952 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 3: So can we say one thing, is there an elect 953 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 3: coming up soon? Yeah? 954 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 2: Like I mean, I don't I wouldn't Begrudgey's campaign, and 955 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 2: I think he's pushing the proverbial uphill. But I think 956 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 2: if you're our elected federal labor member, as part of 957 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 2: a labor government, try and influence the things that your 958 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 2: government can control. And I wrote about flight prices in 959 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 2: the paper the other day. I mean, that'd be my 960 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 2: number one issue if I was Luke, and you I 961 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 2: know he has done some stuff in that space, but 962 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 2: I'd be campaigning on the cost of airfares in and 963 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 2: out of the Northern Territory. And it wouldn't be going 964 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 2: to Germany to lobby some bloke who's ahead of Aliti. 965 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 2: I'd be going to Canberra and lobbying the Prime Minister. 966 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: Because the other part of it is like there's a 967 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 1: lot of local businesses that are actually pretty pissed off 968 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: with the with the government and the former you know, 969 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: Labor when they were pushing Ferraldi, who were saying, well, 970 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: hang on a sick We've got these great local businesses 971 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: that sell groceries, that sell fruit and vegetables, you know, 972 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: like we you know, support us sort of thing. And 973 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: I understand that, and you want to support those locals, 974 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: but I agree, like the cost of airfares is astronomical, 975 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the cost of living in the Northern Territory 976 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: at the moment, it's quite astronomical. And there are different 977 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: levers that you would think would be able to be pulled. 978 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: I just don't know, Like I just wonder whether it's 979 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: a bit of a election. Yeah, you know, well it 980 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: happened like the like Duran, I know you weren't a minister, 981 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: but the Labor Party before the election as well was 982 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, was saying let's try and bring Aldi to town. 983 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: And then we had Warren Ebbertt from Sentinel Group come 984 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: on the show and said, Katie, you know, it's sort 985 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: of it annoys me when really educated people are sort 986 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 1: of you know, making these silly arguments because the numbers 987 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: don't add up. 988 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 2: I think, you know, there's polling clearly the polling's telling 989 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 2: politicians two things, right. It was telling before the anti election, 990 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,839 Speaker 2: it was telling them crime, cost of living, and every 991 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 2: poll everywhere in the country at the moment is saying 992 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 2: cost of living is a number one issue. We're going 993 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 2: to a federal election. I'm sure Luke's looking at that 994 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 2: polling going, oh my god, what am I going to do? 995 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,240 Speaker 1: Audi yea yeah, which you understand in some ways. But yeah, anyway, 996 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: it's just interesting. I suppose. I don't know if it's 997 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,839 Speaker 1: going to happen. We'll wait and see. 998 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 2: Well, we could all be proved wrong. We'll have to 999 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 2: eat humble pie and go an issue with rovelling apology. 1000 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:05,879 Speaker 1: I never mind. 1001 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:06,919 Speaker 4: I hope we are wrong. 1002 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, same here. Well, look that's just about it for 1003 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: us this morning. Thank you all so much for your time. 1004 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: Jered mainly, the Deputy Chief Minister, thank you for joining 1005 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: us as always. 1006 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 4: Thank you listeners. 1007 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you so much for 1008 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 1: your time. Thanks Katie the Member for Nightcliff for the 1009 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: Greens cat Bag Damara, thank you for your time. And 1010 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: Duran Young, the Deputy Opposition Leader and member for Daily, 1011 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: thank you for your time. 1012 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 5: Thank you Katie and thank you to your listeners,