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Speaker 1: Tell you what busy morning in here as always, and

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Speaker 1: joining me live in the studio is the Federal Member

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Speaker 1: for Solomon, Luke Goslin. Good morning to you, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie. It feels like a Wednesday for something. It was.

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Speaker 2: The weekend was so busy.

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Speaker 1: I know, I wish it was, but it's Monday. It's

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Speaker 1: Monday morning. The whole week to get through. Yes, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a beautiful weather today. Everybody's feeling cool, but we're

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Speaker 1: all sort of feeling refreshed as well with the nice weather, Luke,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have a chat to you about this

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Speaker 1: situation with health Scope. Obviously you and I have discussed

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Speaker 1: the issue with the maternity services on a few occasions.

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Speaker 1: But what we know as well is it's being reported

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Speaker 1: by various national publications that health Scopes Board last week

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Speaker 1: have effectively pleaded for bankers to take control of the hospitals,

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Speaker 1: allowing its brook Field back directors to walk away. Now

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Speaker 1: we know that here in Darwin that Healthscope has obviously

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Speaker 1: got the Darwin private Hospital. Have you had discussions with

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Speaker 1: the Health Minister about this what this could potentially mean

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Speaker 1: for us here in Darwin at this point?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have but over a number of months. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think it's worthwhile just for people to remember that

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Speaker 2: this is absolute amateur hour from the CLP, given that

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Speaker 2: they knew the attorney services were going to be ceased

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Speaker 2: I reckon is pretty subpar solution with the hotels. I mean,

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Speaker 2: everyone knows who stays in hotels, right, travelers with all

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Speaker 2: any fluid that comes through, you got the air cons

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Speaker 2: and it's just not ideal. Right, But we've had to

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Speaker 2: of the incompetence of the ant health Minister, who the

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Speaker 2: We're right, we've got it covered. Yes. Then last week.

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Speaker 1: Quite unbelievable that they didn't reach out to the FEDS sooner.

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Speaker 1: I mean we asked this of the Health Minister just

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Speaker 2: So worse than that, not only was he not seeking assistance,

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Speaker 2: we were actively saying to him, how can we help,

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Speaker 2: even though there was a bit of reticence given that

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Speaker 2: But there's a couple of options. So last week post election,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe they didn't want to give federal labor

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Speaker 2: something that the CLP Health ministers to wrestle with himself.

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Speaker 2: But last week a letter has come saying, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: we need some assistance. There's a lower quantity being asked

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Speaker 2: for than ten million, and sorry that's ten million, and

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Speaker 2: then there's a thirty five million, so two options, but

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Speaker 2: of course no detail. It's just can we have this money?

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Speaker 2: So what the CLPNT government needs to do is do

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Speaker 2: government that says this is our plan for providing maternity

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Speaker 1: Why So, look, you're saying they've not done that. They've

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Speaker 2: As it's been explained to me. And I'm getting a

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Speaker 1: And what's going to happen now, because if we wind

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Speaker 2: Obviously, it would have been better to start last year

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Speaker 2: But of course we are standing by to assist. But

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Speaker 1: But we also know that a new location has been

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Speaker 2: Does anyone do any work in the anti government? I

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Speaker 2: they choose a different site. That's not what industry you want,

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Speaker 2: So just it boggles the mind. Where are the boot camps,

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Speaker 2: where are the youth diversion where? I mean, we've got

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Speaker 1: Think they need to get really serious about well, I mean, they've,

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Speaker 1: like I guess the problem is they've made that change

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Speaker 2: So let's get real about what's driving a lot of

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Speaker 2: Let's build the facilities that will keep kids going the

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Speaker 2: mind boggling. The lack of leadership in this current anti

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Speaker 2: It's about three quarters federal funding. Nine and every ten

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Speaker 2: to show some leadership.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks. I mean, there's definitely some strong words

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I am, because we've got no choice.

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Speaker 1: I mean, keep in mind that labor got absolutely smashed

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Speaker 2: No, they wanted action on crime. They didn't want higher

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Speaker 2: higher crime rates. Keep in mind, Katie, that the crime rates.

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Speaker 1: deny the fact that the former government seemed to stop listening.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of Territorians would argue that

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Speaker 2: if there was a change in direction, because towards the

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Speaker 2: end of NT labor there was a change in direction,

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Speaker 2: there was a hardening of policies. I don't I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of your listeners would say that. But they

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Speaker 2: certainly sent the people certainly sent a very strong message. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's consider my election, where it was crime, crime, crime,

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Speaker 2: that's what it was basically fought on. But I think

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Speaker 2: one's it's a testament of the intelligence of Territorians that

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Speaker 2: The territory always does better under federal labor. We fund

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Speaker 2: the territory more, we understand the issues better, and that

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Speaker 2: got us the result that it did. But it's not

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Speaker 2: something I take for granted. But if you consider Caddie,

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Speaker 2: that that mandate that the Chief Minister got last August,

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Speaker 2: it was to take action and to fix crime, drivers

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Speaker 2: of crime, and it wasn't just about bail laws and

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Speaker 2: fiddling around the edges. It was to take action around crime.

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Speaker 2: And if you consider that in my electorate of Solomon,

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Speaker 2: there is not one Labor MLA, There are twelve COLP,

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Speaker 2: if you can sit that all of those people, all

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Speaker 2: of those CLP people campaigned against me on crime. If

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Speaker 2: there was a message here, it's that they want real

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Speaker 2: to take responsibility.

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Speaker 1: Look, the text line is going off. People are saying

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Speaker 1: that you're playing politics, you're swinging votes, going to go

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Speaker 1: against him at the next election, reckons Paul. Somebody else

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Speaker 1: has said Luke is gaslighting you to your face, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Someone else saying, where's Aldi and where was Luke last year?

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Speaker 1: They're all from different people. Look, and the thing is

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Speaker 1: for me is I'm actually not really interested in getting

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Speaker 1: into a slanging match, like I want to work constructively

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Speaker 1: in my job, which is bringing the voice of everyday

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Speaker 1: territorians to you guys to make sure that you're aware

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Speaker 1: of the issues. But I suppose what I want to

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Speaker 2: Do you think your listeners believe that there should be

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Speaker 2: more accountability than the Chief Minister coming onto your show

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Speaker 2: and you asking her a whole heap of questions which

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Speaker 2: and I listened they were good questions, I don't think

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Speaker 2: they were honest answers sometimes to be honest, and I

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Speaker 2: think your listeners would have heard the voice quake a

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Speaker 2: couple of times when perhaps less than the full truth

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Speaker 2: was told. But at the end of the day, do

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Speaker 2: I have a responsibility when there is not one single

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Speaker 2: MLA from labor in Darwen and Palmerston you do it

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Speaker 2: because crime affects people in Darwen and Palmerston and when

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Speaker 2: there's more that can be done. I'm just going to

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Speaker 2: point out where more can be done, but doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: that I'm going to do like I am in Canberra

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Speaker 2: on Friday getting updates on where the funding is coming

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Speaker 2: next for the builds, the defense build the fourteen to

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Speaker 2: eighteen billion over the decade ahead, eighteen billion being the floor.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we need that funding to come because

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Speaker 2: it's important for jobs. We need people in the communities

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Speaker 2: to be working. And that's MELANDERI McCarthy, that's Marian Scrimgaw

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Speaker 2: getting to work, doing the hard work required to make

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Speaker 2: sure that people think there's some hope. The best they

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Speaker 2: can hope for is not going into Catherine drinking a

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Speaker 2: heap of yellow tail, getting blind, domestic violence, assaults on

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Speaker 2: the street, you know, breaking into properties that needs to

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Speaker 2: be worked through.

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Speaker 1: There is no doubt that that needs to be worked through. Luke,

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Speaker 1: I am going to have to leave it there because

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Speaker 1: speaking of hard working people, well, the Territory Response Manager

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Speaker 1: from Saint John is about to join me. As always

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time today.

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Speaker 2: He will tell you how busy is thank you.

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Speaker 1: He definitely is good on your thanks Louke