Speaker 1: In most true crime stories, the crime is a house
Speaker 1: of forest, the woods, the highway, shoulder. This one was
Speaker 1: a stage with costumes, choreography, microphones, and lawyers waiting in
Speaker 1: the wings. I love it already in August twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: In August twenty twenty two, a small church in McAllen, Texas,
Speaker 1: staged a musical. By the end of the week, it
Speaker 1: had triggered copyright law, cultural war outrage, international headlines, and
Speaker 1: illegal reckoning that would end with apologies, damages, and the
Speaker 1: digital equivalent of evidence destruction. Online. People gave it a
Speaker 1: name that sounded like a joke, Scammelton. What followed was
Speaker 1: less a prank than a case study in how performance
Speaker 1: can become a crime. This you Love is a story
Speaker 1: of Scamblington, Alexander Scramblton.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, when I when you say they're waiting
Speaker 2: in the wings, we are waiting in the wings. For
Speaker 2: that's from Hamilton. I didn't a story. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: habled the names episode. Guys, we're gonna pass out.
Speaker 1: Do you know about this story? If you don't know
Speaker 1: about the story, great, Oh my god. So to understand
Speaker 1: the scale of what happened, I.
Speaker 2: Must say sorry. If someone has come across this episode
Speaker 2: and they've not listened to our podcast before, I sound
Speaker 2: like a crazy person.
Speaker 3: Let me.
Speaker 1: My name is Georgia Love and your sorry.
Speaker 2: And I sound like crazy person, even if you have
Speaker 2: heard every episode. If you know me personally, my whole life,
Speaker 2: thank you. I am obsessed with Hamilton, my favorite show
Speaker 2: of all TIMEE musical theater is my favorite thing of
Speaker 2: all time, and Hamilton is my favorite travel time. I'm
Speaker 2: real damn excited.
Speaker 1: So when did you find Hamilton? Let's talk about this
Speaker 1: real quick before get into the story today. So it
Speaker 1: was the first time you actually saw it?
Speaker 2: The first time I saw it was the original Broadway
Speaker 2: cast filmed version on Disney Plus.
Speaker 1: Yes, on the fourth.
Speaker 2: Of July twenty twenty. Now that sounds like I'm real crazy,
Speaker 2: but I remember it because they released it on that
Speaker 2: It was meant it was filmed in twenty sixteen, oh
Speaker 2: that long ago. Yes, And it was for Disney and
Speaker 2: they were going to release later. It was going to
Speaker 2: be a subscriber and anything. No, no, no, no. In fact,
Speaker 2: it was frozen. He was frozen, Yes, Walt. Disney was
Speaker 2: Frozen Musical twenty sixteen. Yes, Walt Disney was in the
Speaker 2: musical Frozen, so he wasn't available to be in Hamilton
Speaker 2: that okay, yes, But they filmed it way back then,
Speaker 2: and it was going to be released as a subscriber
Speaker 2: thing or in cinemas. But when the whole world was
Speaker 2: in lockdown, Lynn Manuel Miranda the king that he is
Speaker 2: and my future husband said release it to the masses.
Speaker 2: And it came out on the fourth of July because
Speaker 2: it's the American holiday. That's why I remember the date.
Speaker 2: Actually that crazy, but I watched it for the first
Speaker 2: time then I went, I really like this. The music's
Speaker 2: really good. Got into it. It was very fast. I don't
Speaker 2: know how I understood all of it. So when I
Speaker 2: got home that night, I mean, I was definitely home
Speaker 2: because we're in lockdown. I definitely wasn't at my sister's
Speaker 2: house that I was a to be.
Speaker 1: It's another crime, okay, Boomer.
Speaker 2: I read all about it, like, got into bed, and
Speaker 2: I was like, right, I'm gonna deep dive. I wasn't
Speaker 2: quite sure what this song was about. So I'll read
Speaker 2: about the song and I'm like, oh, okay, yes, now
Speaker 2: I've got more contacts. Oh okay, And then I watched
Speaker 2: it again the next day, and by the end of it,
Speaker 2: my jewel was on the floor and I was bawling,
Speaker 2: and I was like, that is the best piece of
Speaker 2: artip I ever seen live. And now I've watched it
Speaker 2: on Disney plast minimum seventy times since then, and I've
Speaker 2: seen it live on stage.
Speaker 1: Ten ten times.
Speaker 2: Why, once on the West End and once on Broadway.
Speaker 1: Baby, Oh my goodness, ready for this.
Speaker 2: I'm so ready to send anybody you think.
Speaker 1: To understand the scale of what happened, you need to
Speaker 1: understand the target. The Broadway musical Hamilton was and remains
Speaker 1: one of the most protected pieces of theater in the world,
Speaker 1: and for good reasons.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm gonna be so annoying this episode.
Speaker 1: I it's created simple control performance rights and have not
Speaker 1: released licenses for amateur productions at all. No, that happens
Speaker 1: with a lot of musicals. Yes, but it's not. That's
Speaker 1: not uncommon for me.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, definitely not.
Speaker 1: That meant schools couldn't perform at community theater, couldn't perform it,
Speaker 1: even professional companies couldn't perform it without authorization. Now I
Speaker 1: understand that, and I think that is absolutely spot on
Speaker 1: because if you saw a production of Hamilton that was shy.
Speaker 1: Because I was watching Hamilton. I went the night after
Speaker 1: it dictated Dan in this goddamn country Dan Andrews, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I know. I love bloody love Dan Andrews.
Speaker 1: Dan Andrews went to Hamilton and got COVID and then
Speaker 1: I went the night after and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna get COVID or anything. Oh my god. My
Speaker 1: friend Adrian I went along and we just couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: We were just like, this.
Speaker 2: Is incredibly heard it or anything.
Speaker 1: Never. I'd never heard of anything before. The only thing
Speaker 1: I'd seen is Jonathan Groff. A friend kept sending me
Speaker 1: The King, going you would you would love the his character,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I do love this.
Speaker 2: Character, but it's also so much better when you have
Speaker 2: the context of the whole musical is R and B
Speaker 2: and rap and oh and then an English character comes
Speaker 2: out seeing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Ade and I were obsessed with one misstep
Speaker 1: and the whole thing would be over like it was.
Speaker 2: I thought, you're saying you're obsessed with a misstep that happened.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Dan Andrews falling down with COVID yes,
Speaker 1: the misstep down the stairs, down the stairs. We don't
Speaker 1: talk about this for our overseas listeners, but anyway, but
Speaker 1: what I was really interested in was it was so
Speaker 1: quick and imagine seeing a production that wasn't my mum
Speaker 1: once hit a production of what was Romeo and Juliet
Speaker 1: at Osha Titter Company off Shortitter Company is a very
Speaker 1: very very very very amateur got him in on Philip
Speaker 1: Island and there was once a It had to be
Speaker 1: in an Italian accent, and they got the most astrayed
Speaker 1: woman to go my balla bambino Mum will come and
Speaker 1: talk about on the pop one up. Okay, So every word, lyric,
Speaker 1: costume and choreography was protected intellectual property and again.
Speaker 2: Which it is for reason, Yeah, which it is for
Speaker 2: every professional show until and unless they release the rights.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And I think that Helpless is one of
Speaker 1: those songs you would hear on the radio.
Speaker 2: It is well so yeah yeah, and it's written that way.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so. When a small evangelical church, The Door Christian
Speaker 1: Fellowship in McAllen, Texas, announced a live production in August
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, theater fans noticed immediately they weren't supposed
Speaker 1: to be able to do that, but the show went
Speaker 1: on anyway. Opening night August five, twenty twenty two, the
Speaker 1: church staged its own version of the musical and live
Speaker 1: streamed it to a little known site called YouTube dot
Speaker 1: com with.
Speaker 2: Their Lives Dream.
Speaker 1: At first, viewers thought it was a parody and if
Speaker 1: you watch it, yes, and I will put in these
Speaker 1: show notes. Will put a best of version in there,
Speaker 1: because there's little clips of it, and it is I've
Speaker 1: watched it like ten times. Have you seen it? Yes,
Speaker 1: it is so your cat traits fuck, but it is
Speaker 1: so funny.
Speaker 2: I don't want to desecrate the actual show by putting
Speaker 2: the whole thing, but it's very funny.
Speaker 1: You do not watch the whole thing, will, I'll put
Speaker 1: the best of clips in there. The story had changed,
Speaker 1: songs were rewritten.
Speaker 2: Yes, because it's my Catholic church, so they didn't want
Speaker 2: it like the are bits are about like an affair?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got there's so many themes
Speaker 1: in there that they can't talk about. Characters were altered,
Speaker 1: scenes were removed entirely. A new dialogue appeared, religious sermons
Speaker 1: inserted directly into the plot. In one moment, a pastor
Speaker 1: told the protagonist to accept Jesus into your heart right.
Speaker 2: Now, to Hamilton, to Alexander Hamilton.
Speaker 1: The finale didn't end with applause. It ended with preaching.
Speaker 1: The sermon reportedly compared homosexuality to addiction and personal struggle.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 1: Within hours, clip spread across TikTok. There's a song called
Speaker 1: wait for It.
Speaker 2: Wait for It, Wait for It. I am the one
Speaker 2: thing and life I can't control. I am an animal,
Speaker 2: I am an original. I stumbled over the word that
Speaker 2: I have tattooed on myself, but.
Speaker 1: It's the cause of that song. And that is one
Speaker 1: of the best songs in there.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it is one of the best songs I
Speaker 2: ever written in the world. And even lin Maneuel Morada,
Speaker 2: who wrote it, said that. He said afterwards he was like,
Speaker 2: I wrote the two best songs I've ever written in
Speaker 2: my life. I gave to another character wait for It
Speaker 2: and rum where it happens Aaron Burr, who he didn't
Speaker 2: play well.
Speaker 1: Where the line from berg god damn it, I'm willing
Speaker 1: to wait for it was changed to gosh darn it,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to wait for it.
Speaker 2: Gosh done it. I'm willing to wait for it.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. The play is just Hamilton really until
Speaker 1: the forty two minute mark when Jesus comes in. Jesus
Speaker 1: is in it, not Jesus in it, but they talk
Speaker 1: about Jesus quite a lot. There were also hand fisted
Speaker 1: moments where they added g I.
Speaker 2: Don't think they would have been talking about it.
Speaker 1: With suggestions that Hamilton should just turn to Jesus when
Speaker 1: he flatten. Their refuses at the end where he turns
Speaker 1: to him. If you know the musical, there's also always
Speaker 1: an applause break after the words immigrants, they get.
Speaker 2: The job done, We get the job done.
Speaker 1: But in the church that night there was just silence.
Speaker 2: So they paused. Yeah because Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yuck. It's not only Texas, but I mean
Speaker 1: in that particular church, yeah, there was not. There was
Speaker 1: not an applause break. There are also audio problem throughout,
Speaker 1: plus lighting mishaps, people standing in the darkness singing awkwardly
Speaker 1: moving into the light to get themselves caught on in
Speaker 1: the light.
Speaker 2: That literally sounds like me just performing by myself in
Speaker 2: my apartment on a Saturday night with one lamp on.
Speaker 1: Or they just wait until the light finds them, so
Speaker 1: just keep singing. In the musical, there's also a song
Speaker 1: called Hurricane, which is about Alexander Hamilton realizing that only
Speaker 1: he will be able to get himself out of the situation,
Speaker 1: which is completely taken out because obviously God could help
Speaker 1: him with that. No worries.
Speaker 2: Well, God's the one that put the hurricane there if
Speaker 2: you believe in him, So answer that that guy of
Speaker 2: the hurricane. There is silence for just a moment yellow.
Speaker 1: Sky in the song say no to This.
Speaker 2: And People, which is a very sexy that's.
Speaker 1: About the affair Alexander Hamilton is going to have his affair,
Speaker 1: which is I believe very much. Tim Mentioned does this
Speaker 1: in a lot of his songs as well. He sings
Speaker 1: about not having an affair and so no, but Hamilton
Speaker 1: does have anything, Well he does, yeah, but I say
Speaker 1: no to this is there is a song how can
Speaker 1: I say this?
Speaker 2: Because Bardy looks so her body looks so helpless, But
Speaker 2: Mamanda is saying hell yes, oh.
Speaker 1: And it's very sexy to see Lynn Manuel Miranda having
Speaker 1: an affair. Very sexy stuff.
Speaker 2: Excuse me you say that? No that I will have
Speaker 2: an affair with him one day and he will run
Speaker 2: off with.
Speaker 1: Me, Alexander Hamilton is going to have his affair. The
Speaker 1: song is cut down to thirty seconds, and there is
Speaker 1: a booing yell of no, which is really loud, which
Speaker 1: is obviously just saying no to the affair. So no
Speaker 1: comes really loudly.
Speaker 2: Well, there isn't like there are nos in it, but
Speaker 2: it's not meant to be like a much big I wondered,
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, what words did they put in
Speaker 2: in place of She led me to her bed, let
Speaker 2: her legs spread and said stay. A lot of the
Speaker 2: time they just would have cut it out thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: It's only thirty seconds. Eventually, Hamilton's son gets into a duel. Yes, Philip,
Speaker 1: his son gets shot. The lyrics are changed to him finding.
Speaker 2: God, but he dies.
Speaker 1: That's story ones like Jesus.
Speaker 2: So it's not sad that he died because he went
Speaker 2: to heaven? Is that what you're trying to say.
Speaker 1: Us instead of Alexander Hamilton. In the end, reflecting on
Speaker 1: his legacy, he talks about finding Jesus. Then he dies
Speaker 1: and his wife sings about Aha, like how sad that
Speaker 1: she is that he died, but she's going to continue
Speaker 1: his legacy in history Alexander Hamilton's wife created the first
Speaker 1: real orphanage as private private Yeah in the United States,
Speaker 1: but in this version they decided to add that she
Speaker 1: introduced tons of the children to Jesus.
Speaker 2: Oh my God.
Speaker 1: Then the pastor comes out and delivers a fifteen minute
Speaker 1: sermon after saying he will only speak for five minutes.
Speaker 1: The Internet gave this show a nickname scamming the viral
Speaker 1: crime scene this is my next. The crime didn't unfold quietly,
Speaker 1: It unfolded publicly. Video spread faster than the church could
Speaker 1: control them. The singing, staging, and script changes were mocked online,
Speaker 1: but the real outrage wasn't quality. It was a legal issue.
Speaker 1: The production used the script without permission, altered the script,
Speaker 1: streamed the performance publicly, and claimed authorization it didn't have.
Speaker 2: Because this is the thing, right, I feel like, had
Speaker 2: the church just it for there?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, church didn't go online and nothing happened with
Speaker 1: it was advertised. Yeah, yeah, that's what I like.
Speaker 2: You know, if they'd done that, he great point. One
Speaker 2: would have known they did that. That's not really breaking
Speaker 2: IP laws in particular.
Speaker 1: Because we heard someone fade out in real time. That
Speaker 1: was quite nice. The way you did that all of
Speaker 1: those violated copyright law. Fans began tapping. Sorry, so tagging
Speaker 1: the crater.
Speaker 2: Like tapping number that happened. Happened, that's forty second street.
Speaker 1: Our fans began tagging the crater off Hamilton.
Speaker 2: Sorry, now I'm just picturing a bunch of Hamilton fans
Speaker 2: like protesting on the street outside this church.
Speaker 1: They're all homosexuals. Of course, within the days the production
Speaker 1: team knew, then came decease and desist. The response came quickly.
Speaker 1: Lewis the musical issued a cease and desist order demanding
Speaker 1: the church remove all material from the internet.
Speaker 2: I really hope they started the decease and cease and
Speaker 2: desist letter with the words, dear sir, I hope this
Speaker 2: letter finds you in good health and in a prosperous enough,
Speaker 2: prosperous enough position to put wealth into pockets of people
Speaker 2: like meat down and I look.
Speaker 1: Can I say the lawyers did not do that, but
Speaker 1: that would have been fun. What is really weird is
Speaker 1: that after the first performance, the pastor actually went to
Speaker 1: the congregation and so that the owners didn't like that
Speaker 1: it was released on YouTube, but that the owners approved
Speaker 1: of them continuing the play, so would all be going
Speaker 1: ahead soon?
Speaker 2: Who said that the pastor, So he got to cease
Speaker 2: and desist and took that back to the church and said,
Speaker 2: they're fine.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious to keep going fine. He said he
Speaker 1: wanted to give a big thank you to the producers
Speaker 1: of Hamilton for supporting what they do.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, So he's got a letter from the
Speaker 2: producers of Hamilton on Broadway and just assumed it was
Speaker 2: to congratulate them for supporting them.
Speaker 1: Lying.
Speaker 2: Lying is against the God's will.
Speaker 1: Yes, but if you actually are.
Speaker 2: No hei Mary's oh, I thought, if you're doing it
Speaker 2: for the answer.
Speaker 1: This was also a video which went viral on TikTok.
Speaker 1: So the church was ensued for damages. This is insane.
Speaker 1: A second performance at this stage was already scheduled. In
Speaker 1: a very unusual move, and I do find this bizarre,
Speaker 1: the right holders allowed the final showing to proceed under
Speaker 1: strict conditions, no streaming, no publication, damages to be negotiated.
Speaker 2: I suppose. I mean the reason I went is going
Speaker 2: to say is that potentially a little bit not entrapmany,
Speaker 2: but a little bit dodgy. So then they could say, well,
Speaker 2: there were two performances, so now we want more, but
Speaker 2: I would like to think not. And maybe they were like, look,
Speaker 2: people have bought tickets in this tiny, little town church,
Speaker 2: but like, we're still suing you for the first time.
Speaker 2: But you can do it this one time and then
Speaker 2: shut it down.
Speaker 1: You've got to watch these clips below. You got to
Speaker 1: watch these clips. I was obsessed with it. I just
Speaker 1: kept watching it.
Speaker 2: I was just watching it.
Speaker 1: The conditions were meant to contain the situation. They failed.
Speaker 1: Clips leaked online. The internet had already archived the evidence.
Speaker 2: Because also people would have gone to that second performance.
Speaker 2: Now it's insta famous. Yeah, wanted to do like, wanted
Speaker 2: to go and film it.
Speaker 1: And this was, you know, obviously the first time that
Speaker 1: this church had done something like this, or was it
Speaker 1: oh died. They also wrote in their Easter play a
Speaker 1: song which was just a rewrite of the opening song
Speaker 1: to Hamilton, but the words were change from my name
Speaker 1: is Alexander Hamilton too. His name was Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Speaker 1: His name was Jesus Christ of Narazareth. I've got a
Speaker 1: million souls I've got to save. Just you wait, just
Speaker 1: you wait, come on, sing it for me, Go on,
Speaker 1: sing it. His name was Jesus Christ of Nazareth. His
Speaker 1: name was Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I've got a million souls.
Speaker 1: I've got to say save. But just you, wid just you.
Speaker 1: They also did in the Beast, in which the entire
Speaker 1: play was based around ball, showing to the beast that
Speaker 1: he had had he just had to find Jesus in
Speaker 1: his life, and he would turn back to a real
Speaker 1: human genuine question.
Speaker 2: Is there anything in the Bible about beast reality?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that show's fine. Okay.
Speaker 1: There's one of the funniest routines I've ever seen is
Speaker 1: Whoopie Goldberg's old stand up where she goes, you know,
Speaker 1: if you lay with a sheep, you should be put
Speaker 1: to death, and so shell the sheep, and she goes,
Speaker 1: what the fuck did the sheep do? Jesus Christ exactly, So, Jesus,
Speaker 1: I know there's good in the beast. Help me see
Speaker 1: the good in him, just as you see the good
Speaker 1: in me. Balon the Beast also both bond that they
Speaker 1: both read the Bible. So when they go the library
Speaker 1: for the I read that when the Beast finds God,
Speaker 1: he says, I thought this was all a fairytale. Jesus,
Speaker 1: I understand it now. You also sacrificed your life. You
Speaker 1: were able to look past my sin and sacrifice your
Speaker 1: life for even a beast like me. I will say that.
Speaker 2: He's not a beast. He was a brince that was
Speaker 2: turned into looking.
Speaker 1: But if you found his behavior, he'd be fine.
Speaker 2: I think that this true. A long Bow has missed
Speaker 2: the point of the factual non fiction story Beauty and
Speaker 2: the Beast.
Speaker 1: Well, they also did toy story, but it's absolutely.
Speaker 2: I need to know more about that.
Speaker 1: I think that the toys found Jesus and they'll turn
Speaker 1: into real people. I think that's what it's about, which
Speaker 1: is not in toy story.
Speaker 2: I saw a headline the other day and I didn't
Speaker 2: read any further into it, but it said a new
Speaker 2: Toy Story movie is coming out. It's like years into
Speaker 2: the future and Woody has a receding hairline. That doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense to me.
Speaker 1: Sense toy, Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. You're probably
Speaker 1: also now wondering about the motive. Yes, I am, why
Speaker 1: risk it? The church believe religious exemptions might protect the
Speaker 1: off Us law allows houses of worship to perform certain
Speaker 1: religious works during services religious work, but Hamilton is not
Speaker 1: a religious work, and altering it makes a derivative work,
Speaker 1: which is still protected.
Speaker 2: I will say it is my religion. It is my religion.
Speaker 2: I pray to live around every now, pray that he
Speaker 2: will come and find me in my bedden, carry me.
Speaker 1: The production also marketed tickets and broadcasts online actions outside
Speaker 1: the exemption. In legal terms, this fucking mated. They hadn't
Speaker 1: just performed the show, they reproduced it and modified it publicly.
Speaker 1: With every religious event comes the confession. Once confronted, the
Speaker 1: church changed its stories.
Speaker 2: And Hamilton did confess to the affair in the end,
Speaker 2: Rah because he said, bo, how do I know that
Speaker 2: this won't I can't think of the exact words I am,
Speaker 2: but he's saying, how does I know this won't come out?
Speaker 2: The next time we go toe to toe and ursas Alexander,
Speaker 2: rumors only grow and if you don't know, you know
Speaker 2: I faded out.
Speaker 1: It was really nice again. Initially leaders suggested permission existed.
Speaker 1: Soon after they admitted the truth, they had never requested
Speaker 1: or received a license. They agreed to apologize publicly, never
Speaker 1: staged again, destroy recordings, and pay damages, but the payment account. Sorry,
Speaker 1: the payment amount was never disclosed. Also the payment account.
Speaker 1: The right holders donated the money, which I think is
Speaker 1: amazing to lgbt QIA plus charity in Texas, and I
Speaker 1: think that is just beautiful.
Speaker 2: And of course they would have because they weren't suing
Speaker 2: them for the money. It was to make a point
Speaker 2: that you can't take someone's IP and reproduce.
Speaker 1: And wedging in a sermon that they didn't. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just wild. The aftermath, the church's reputation collapsed overnight.
Speaker 1: Online the event became folklore, part legal cautionary tail, part
Speaker 1: internet spectacle. Theater professionals pointed out the deeper implication. If
Speaker 1: the production had gone unchallenged, it would have been it
Speaker 1: would have established a precedent anyone could rewrite a protected
Speaker 1: work and distributed under a religious banner. Instead, the case
Speaker 1: reinforced a clear legal line. Art cannot be repurposed without permission,
Speaker 1: even by institutions claiming moral authority. There was no weapon, nobody,
Speaker 1: no bloodstain in this crime g love, but there was evidence, recordings,
Speaker 1: altered scripts, public statements and admissions. The stage lights dimmed,
Speaker 1: the costumes were packed away. Now I feel sad and
Speaker 1: the files were deleted all supposed to be. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: most modern crimes, the real crime scene was digital. And
Speaker 1: once the Internet witnesses, and once the internet witness is something,
Speaker 1: it never truly closes. The show ended, but the record didn't.
Speaker 1: I will put a link in the show notes below
Speaker 1: to some of the best of clips, So you didn't
Speaker 1: need to watch the whole thing, and you never have
Speaker 1: to watch the whole thing, But that G Love is
Speaker 1: a very brief overview of Scamblton.
Speaker 2: And now, as a special treat I will perform the
Speaker 2: entire three Hound musical for you, from top to bottom.
Speaker 1: Can I say that one of the first times that
Speaker 1: G Love and I hung out, It wasn't one of
Speaker 1: the first times Bills one of the first times I
Speaker 1: saw you perform What was it? I think you did
Speaker 1: define gravity?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hang on that. I thought we were going
Speaker 2: to talk Aboutmilton.
Speaker 1: No, and you did the whole thing and ordered people
Speaker 1: around for upcoming props. So you were shouting in a
Speaker 1: kitchen and wait, wait, you're doing a lot of that.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 2: It's not yet. You should have known when the broom
Speaker 2: was coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have known that it was a beautiful
Speaker 1: moment now, Okay, So Alexander Hamilton in the famous production
Speaker 1: Hamilton the Musical American Musical. So they bring this to Texas,
Speaker 1: they think it's all going to be fine. There must
Speaker 1: be so many instances of this that exist in the world,
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of the time a religious
Speaker 1: exemption is what people think they can actually get away with,
Speaker 1: you know, taxes. There's bits and pieces of something where
Speaker 1: it's like, well, if it's for religion, we should be fine.
Speaker 1: If we're not making money, if we're you know, like they.
Speaker 2: Are making money from this, whether they say they.
Speaker 1: Are exactly exactly, and it's the whole.
Speaker 2: Thing about it is that they've put it on the internet,
Speaker 2: so they've made it viewable for other people, which means
Speaker 2: they're reproducing it.
Speaker 1: Well make internet or if lots of other people he
Speaker 1: said it was live streamed. Oh so so I mean
Speaker 1: all of the other recordings as well were.
Speaker 2: No, but a live streaming yes, yeah, means put on
Speaker 2: the Internet, which means it can lead to making money
Speaker 2: from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, which is wild as well that you know,
Speaker 1: that was a part of it that if they did
Speaker 1: this a long time ago, wouldn't have even been an issue.
Speaker 1: They're just hoping that it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Every exactly, if it wasn't live streamed, it.
Speaker 1: Was just for the church that it never got to them.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's just so funny, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: do a shep production of it if you want. Don't
Speaker 2: live stream I mean, like, don't that's literally, but I'm saying,
Speaker 2: I don't care so much if you do that, but
Speaker 2: don't change it to make it about the church when
Speaker 2: it's not about that, and then.
Speaker 1: Put on the internet if I yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I'm glad they did because it means me.
Speaker 1: If that was me as the pastor, I would go,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe I got this letter.
Speaker 1: What did they think we do? They like it? Don't
Speaker 1: say anyone was a standout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the pastor clearly was worrying about We're wondering about
Speaker 2: that because I pretend they didn't say don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I will give you Greece. I will always
Speaker 1: give you Greece. I think you want to put on
Speaker 1: Greece if you don't put on grease in your town, whatever,
Speaker 1: go for it.
Speaker 2: One of the best lives I've ever.
Speaker 1: Said about Greece.
Speaker 2: Let me finish. I want you to wait for it.
Speaker 1: Wait for It.
Speaker 2: One of the best live musicals I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Don't Say Greece was a performance.
Speaker 2: Of Greece I Don't think so at a high school
Speaker 2: in a low associore economic suburb of Melbourne. I was
Speaker 2: invited along to see it. It was the most beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: This school was putting on a production of Greece. And
Speaker 2: they the money they were raising from, like the ticket sales,
Speaker 2: they were going to donate to pan Care, which is
Speaker 2: the foundation in Australia of which I'm the ambassador for
Speaker 2: which I'm the ambassador. And they invited me along to
Speaker 2: see the production and then present me with the check
Speaker 2: for Pancare afterwards. A beautiful, beautiful thing to do. Was No,
Speaker 2: I spent it all on myself. I got macas on
Speaker 2: my home.
Speaker 4: Hey, I will get every film now now.
Speaker 2: It was one of those big novelty checks to do
Speaker 2: you take check surname care. It was genuinely one of
Speaker 2: the most enjoyable experiences ever pard at the theater because
Speaker 2: it was all of the cliches of like a really
Speaker 2: bad high school musical, but they were loving. They were
Speaker 2: I was loving being on stage. The second that the
Speaker 2: curtain went down, you could hear them whooping and cheering
Speaker 2: and like high fiving. It was genuinely the most like
Speaker 2: one of the most enjoyed live theater experiences I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. The girl playing pat Patsy, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm blanking the cheerleader. Oh my god. Fuck, it's not Patsy.
Speaker 2: But oh no, it's going to annoy me. Okay, they
Speaker 2: will message me straight away. The girl playing the head cheerleader,
Speaker 2: Patty sim Cox. Oh, thank god. That feels so good
Speaker 2: when you remember something like that. Anyway, the girl playing Cox,
Speaker 2: who was the head's cheerleader, that is their entire role
Speaker 2: in the show, was in a moon boot the Freddie
Speaker 2: My Love scene where they're like dancing on the bed.
Speaker 2: The bed broke and the girl playing Marty fell through it,
Speaker 2: but just kept seeing. They kept performing.
Speaker 1: That's actually became amazing.
Speaker 2: The clear thing that happens in every high school musical
Speaker 2: is where there is one person and the if the
Speaker 2: performances of Greece, it's always the guy playing Kiniki, who
Speaker 2: looks at least twenty five years old. Amazing. I loved
Speaker 2: it so much. Was I was just so happy the
Speaker 2: one they did in Australia, like it was like fifteen
Speaker 2: years ago or something was great, right. The game that
Speaker 2: was here recently was not a great.
Speaker 1: Well. This was the one where Marcia Heinz. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: she came out on stage and I don't think she
Speaker 1: knew that she was part of Greece.
Speaker 2: She just thought she was doing just singing beauty school
Speaker 2: dropout on stage every night.
Speaker 1: Because she came out for the one song and just
Speaker 1: kept going sing along if you know the words. She
Speaker 1: really broke the fourth wall.
Speaker 2: And really did it as marsha.
Speaker 1: He it was just marcha h is great, but it
Speaker 1: was just it was just very funny to watch that
Speaker 1: guy I know about this musical no more very funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but anyway, Scramblton. So I've been interested in this and
Speaker 1: we had a beautiful listener amii is amily. I think Emily,
Speaker 1: please at me if I didn't pronounce your name right,
Speaker 1: but actually messaged me about this because I didn't know
Speaker 1: about this, send it to me, which sent me on
Speaker 1: a spiral of not researching, just watch straight away. I
Speaker 1: watched all of that and I couldn't stop watching it.
Speaker 2: I know we call these episodes Thursday treats because it
Speaker 2: is a treat for the listener that they get something different.
Speaker 2: This has been a treat I thought it would be.
Speaker 2: You are a very good friend to me because you
Speaker 2: knew I would have been just disgustingly annoying during that episode.
Speaker 1: No, but it did for me. It would be a
Speaker 1: fun episode because when I heard the name Scambillton, I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't not do that. I thought it'd
Speaker 1: be a really good one to do. And we always
Speaker 1: love suggestions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, Yeah, we do love suggestions. And I
Speaker 2: would like your suggestions of some Thursday treats you want
Speaker 2: me to do, because Sammy is really good at doing
Speaker 2: the treats and because of that, I've, you know, just
Speaker 2: without discussions, sat back and put my feet up and
Speaker 2: let him do all the treats. But if there's any
Speaker 2: of that you guys think I would would be good
Speaker 2: ones for me to tell Sammy, like Fist.
Speaker 1: To remember that was one of my favorite episodes, Fist
Speaker 1: Operation Fist, just really fun ones. We love doing Thursday
Speaker 1: treats as well because it is so fun and when
Speaker 1: we don't have guests on, it is just so fun
Speaker 1: to just sit back and do something short episode, and
Speaker 1: usually at some sort of scandal, some sort of crime.
Speaker 1: I love that because of this, the LGTP LGBTQI plus cool. No,
Speaker 1: the lgbt qia A plus our community got some money
Speaker 1: out of this. I think that's great because you know,
Speaker 1: they were so they're kind of discarded in this production,
Speaker 1: and I just think it's so great that and also
Speaker 1: because it's a Broadway musical, you know, which is eighty
Speaker 1: nine point nine maybe ninety nine point nine percent the
Speaker 1: homosexual community, the queer community, so I think me, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And Jonathan Groff, he's part of the queer community, I
Speaker 2: must say, unfortunately for me, because he would be my
Speaker 2: number one husband choice. Mister Carl, who's mister Carl? And
Speaker 2: I forgot you forgot.
Speaker 1: Call him Andrew Carl and I felt really weird calling
Speaker 1: him Andrew.
Speaker 2: I felt weirder you call him, call him doctor Carl.
Speaker 2: And Carl is engaged to my friend to marry him.
Speaker 1: This has not been about you marrying someone.
Speaker 2: I've just said to let me talk about who I'm
Speaker 2: going to marry. I thought you were saying.
Speaker 1: No, they weren't for you. I weren't offering these people
Speaker 1: up for you. I was just saying that aren't that
Speaker 1: many street straight people. So I'm glad this week to
Speaker 1: theater in theater.
Speaker 2: Have they meant to go to go to No, I'm
Speaker 2: not in theater. I just included myself.
Speaker 1: No, I've never seen any of this. You've just made
Speaker 1: up this whole thing in your head. Sweet girl, good
Speaker 1: only girl friend. You've done such a wonderful job.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite line from Hamilton, Sammy? I?
Speaker 1: I like the immigrants line a lot, and that is
Speaker 1: just such a powerful That is such a powerful line.
Speaker 2: And you know a little tippit about that is they
Speaker 2: never So there's just a bar. There's four notes after
Speaker 2: that because it gets such big applause and cheers every night.
Speaker 2: When it was first written, there was no because they
Speaker 2: go immigrants, we get the job done and then the
Speaker 2: music goes just for four beats. That was never in there,
Speaker 2: but they had to put that in because every night
Speaker 2: there were so many cheers that you couldn't hear the
Speaker 2: next line.
Speaker 1: We love in this production that they didn't get us.
Speaker 1: So there was just the bar. What's your favorite line
Speaker 1: in there of all time? And I also love I
Speaker 1: love the entire You'll be back so and I think,
Speaker 1: fight the Fighter, Win the War. I there is no
Speaker 1: one comparable ever to Jonathan Crawford. And so when I
Speaker 1: watched that, I ended up watching the Disney Plus version
Speaker 1: because I was like, after I saw the Australian version
Speaker 1: and I saw the lips of Jonathan Craft, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I want to just watch this version because
Speaker 1: the king in that was like, it's it's on another level.
Speaker 2: He's on stage four and I can't remember the exact
Speaker 2: amount of time, but it's something like six and a
Speaker 2: half minutes or I think he's singing for six and
Speaker 2: half stage for nine minutes of a three hour show,
Speaker 2: and he steals the show.
Speaker 1: It's the equivalent for me of Steve Martin as the
Speaker 1: dentist in the film version of Forest Like it is
Speaker 1: such a powerful moment where you go, oh, there's no
Speaker 1: one else I could have ever imagine doing this, And
Speaker 1: so when you watch that version, you go, that is
Speaker 1: absolutely incredible, and yeah, fight the fight and win the war.
Speaker 1: You'll be back like before. Yeah. I just think that.
Speaker 2: I think the bestline from that song is and when
Speaker 2: push comes to shove, I will do remind you of
Speaker 2: my love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. So what's your favorite line in the production.
Speaker 2: I think my favorite line will be excuse me, miss,
Speaker 2: I know it's not funny, but your perfume smells like
Speaker 2: your dad. He's got money. That's really funny. But I
Speaker 2: think the most clever line that I think is so
Speaker 2: overlooked and people don't realize how clever it is because
Speaker 2: again it's like there are so many words in it
Speaker 2: just kind of gets overlooked. But he says. Burr says
Speaker 2: to Hamilton at one point that did you hear that
Speaker 2: someone called Mercer had died? And then he says, Madison
Speaker 2: and Jefferson are merciless, hate the city of merciless merciless
Speaker 2: mercerless because Mercer died. Fuck, that's clever. Miranda's mind is brilliant.
Speaker 2: And there are so many little lines in like in
Speaker 2: it like that that are a play on words or
Speaker 2: really clever little ode or nod to something that people
Speaker 2: don't pick up. It just sounds like a line. They're like, oh,
Speaker 2: Madison and Jefferson mercier less.
Speaker 1: Watch Hairspray, you hate his bro I actually quite like
Speaker 1: the film.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the film is the only.
Speaker 1: Like the production, but I love I think the film
Speaker 1: is so brilliant for.
Speaker 2: Walking Chicago, Yes, and Wicked. The films are better than
Speaker 2: the shows, yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Edna, You're timeless to me. Hairlines
Speaker 1: get shorter, whatever me cheese, Babe, you're.
Speaker 4: Just getting better with a you lack a fatal disease.
Speaker 1: Babe, there's no cue, so let this fever rade. It's
Speaker 1: so good, Like it's brilliant that that film version is.
Speaker 2: I know, Oh my god, I've just forgotten all about
Speaker 2: Lin Manuel and Jonathan Groff because I just remembered Zach
Speaker 2: Efron in Hairspray. That is when he was just peak beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's so beautiful him as lean And and James Marsden
Speaker 2: as Corny Collins in the one movie. Holy shit, I'm
Speaker 2: surprised I didn't get pregnant wanting that movie. Can I says,
Speaker 2: choose myself?
Speaker 1: Can I say James Marsden as well? So our good
Speaker 1: friend Taylor messaged me recently and said to me. She
Speaker 1: said to me, I should be so lucky.
Speaker 2: She said to me, she maybe once a day will
Speaker 2: send me a screenshot or show me on her phone
Speaker 2: a conversation you guys have had on Instagram. She's like,
Speaker 2: he's just so funny.
Speaker 1: The funniest like me the other day and the name
Speaker 1: of it was throat Girl eighty seven or something, and
Speaker 1: I just said to her, they used to call me
Speaker 1: throat girl ladies seven.
Speaker 2: I know she showed me that today. She literally showed
Speaker 2: me that.
Speaker 1: So funny. I'm just texting in her like a corporate
Speaker 1: office lad but high school to call tha anyway, So
Speaker 1: oh ship I was talking about just then link As
Speaker 1: Taylor said, have you seen The Jury Jury Duty, ju Judy,
Speaker 1: which is one of the funniest shows you will ever see.
Speaker 1: There's a second series coming out soon, Yes, but it's
Speaker 1: trailer no, and it's going to be amazing. It's like
Speaker 1: a holiday camp or something, and it looks amazing. It's
Speaker 1: going to be fantastic. But basically, if you don't know,
Speaker 1: and it's so worth watching vaguely related to crime because
Speaker 1: the jury, but god, it is funny, and I tell
Speaker 1: anyone that hasn't watched it yet to watch it because
Speaker 1: the guy in it comes out as the most beautiful
Speaker 1: person ever. Because basically, I'm going to sorry, basically.
Speaker 2: I've had a good night. We're talking about how much
Speaker 2: I've you'll let me sing. You've got to sew back,
Speaker 2: But I don't care about that right now, because I'm talking.
Speaker 1: About Okay, my neck, my pussy, and my crack are fine.
Speaker 1: But all I want to say was that Jury Duty
Speaker 1: it's about basically what they do. It's a hidden camera show,
Speaker 1: like an old hidden camera show, but it's so updated
Speaker 1: with modern times because the only person that thinks it's
Speaker 1: real is the main character that they've got from a
Speaker 1: casting agency. There's somehow made him, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the technicalities are, there's somehow made him feel No, it's not.
Speaker 2: A casting agency, so what it was?
Speaker 1: He knows that he's being filmed.
Speaker 2: Yes, so he has got like, got to, you know,
Speaker 2: call up for jury duty, as people do. So his thought, yes,
Speaker 2: and it's fake, but he believes he's going for jury duty.
Speaker 2: And the morning of selection they have said they're filming
Speaker 2: a documentary about jud jury. Yes, so if you get
Speaker 2: picked for this jury, would you consent to be part
Speaker 2: of the documentary? Consented to that? But every single other
Speaker 2: person that appears on camera for this whole show is
Speaker 2: an actor and knows that it's all fake, and he's
Speaker 2: the only one being pranked, and it is just fucking
Speaker 2: brilliant and we talk often on this podcast about how
Speaker 2: pranks are not funny at all.
Speaker 1: This it's phenomenal. So it's so good, and the behind
Speaker 1: the scenes of it when they actually reveal everything at
Speaker 1: the end, it is so brilliant to watch all that
Speaker 1: as well. But Taylor sent me that, and James Marsden
Speaker 1: is in that. He is one of the funniest actors
Speaker 1: you've ever seen, because he's in scenes that would make
Speaker 1: anyone laugh, like he has to keep a straight face,
Speaker 1: and because.
Speaker 2: He's playing himself because obviously he's a recognizable actor, so
Speaker 2: everyone else is like they're just playing people in the community.
Speaker 2: But he's playing James Marsden.
Speaker 1: He's playing James Marsden. And he is so brilliant because
Speaker 1: he buys into it like I'm a big star and everything.
Speaker 1: Even hires paparazzi to come to the courthouse to take
Speaker 1: photos of him, and it is so funny. But here's
Speaker 1: one of those people that I go, why aren't you
Speaker 1: the biggest star in the world, Like he is big,
Speaker 1: but he's not one of those people as the biggest
Speaker 1: star in the world. We go, even Marsden, he's so
Speaker 1: fucking good.
Speaker 2: Not even everyone recognizes his name, and that's the thing
Speaker 2: they make fun of in the show as well. The
Speaker 2: people all know his face and know the movies he's
Speaker 2: been in, but can't don't know his name. Since the Notebook,
Speaker 2: he's been my number one, like fate, sorry number two.
Speaker 2: Notebook God, Sammy. If you love James Marsden, now wait,
Speaker 2: do you see him in the Notebook? He so you
Speaker 2: haven't seen it, but I'm sure you know the storyline.
Speaker 2: The whole thing is two people fall in love when
Speaker 2: they're young. Her parents don't.
Speaker 1: Want them to rom and Juliet.
Speaker 2: Yes, her parents don't want them to be together. She
Speaker 2: moves away, they don't see each other again. She ends
Speaker 2: up getting engaged to this beautiful, very rich from a
Speaker 2: gorgeous family. Her family loves him, she loves them everything.
Speaker 2: Then she comes into contact with their first love again, James.
Speaker 2: James Marsden is the beautiful man who's just come back
Speaker 2: from war with all the money and beautiful family and
Speaker 2: the family loves and everything. My bringerscribe with the Notebook.
Speaker 2: I love it. It is one of the most beautiful
Speaker 2: love stories of all time. But I think it is
Speaker 2: false because I don't I don't know anyone that wouldn't
Speaker 2: choose James Marsden in that white army outfit. Holy fuck. Anyway,
Speaker 2: it's my take on the I don't like I'm not
Speaker 2: consciously horny today, but I'm sound.
Speaker 1: And also, you only mentioned being horny in the last
Speaker 1: episode recorded, so it's has come out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: It hasn't come out of nowhere. I've been talking about
Speaker 2: marrying Jonathan Groffin.
Speaker 1: That's true. I was winning the last weird Anyway, everybody,
Speaker 1: I thought you'd like Scammellton this week.
Speaker 2: I loved it. It's made me, honey.
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Speaker 2: Why why you plug your thing? Let me plug my thing.
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Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, and one day I'll have lin Manuel Miranda on
Speaker 3: Everyone has an Ex talking about his ex, his beautiful
Speaker 3: current life Vanessa, who seems loved and unfortunately she's not me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's married to VanNess.
Speaker 1: Okay, I hope that one day we get to be.
Speaker 2: And my mind is trying to go, but her hand
Speaker 2: is on mine and I don't say no, say no
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