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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was. And in the

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Speaker 1: Marie Claire booth Be Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio. We've also got

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, Good morning, mass morning, and

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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs this morning. Hopefully he's warmed up a

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Speaker 1: bit yesterday from your run Duran Young, good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katy, and good morning for your listeners. And

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Speaker 3: that's what I finally thought out.

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Speaker 1: As it warmed up. Slightly made or not really.

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Speaker 3: Not really, I can't really make it the difference. Maybe

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Speaker 3: people down here it's cold.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet it is. Well. Look, there's plenty to

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Speaker 1: discuss this morning, and we see today that the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory government have indeed announced that they've well the details,

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Speaker 1: have changes to the Youth Justice Act, announcing new measures

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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs actually this morning which they say going

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Speaker 1: to ensure serious young offenders face real consequences now men

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Speaker 1: to the Youth Justice Regulations two thousand and six Act

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Speaker 1: will expand the list of serious offenses that are well

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Speaker 1: ineligible for youth diversion. So under these new changes, offenses

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Speaker 1: including serious harm offending, hit and runs, driving stolen vehicles,

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Speaker 1: assaults on frontline workers, and break ins will now have

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Speaker 1: a default position of proceeding to charge. Got to tell

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Speaker 1: surprised that they're not already a situation where you don't

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Speaker 1: get bailed if you are involved in a hit and

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Speaker 1: But Marie Claire, it seems as though it is going

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Speaker 1: to include a lot more offenses. Can you talk us

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Speaker 1: through exactly what the prescribed offenses are going to be?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, Katie, and your listeners would very well

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Speaker 4: know that youth crime has been out of control for

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Speaker 4: Realized through feedback from police was that through regulations there

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Speaker 4: we've heard the term drop home to a responsible adult.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you're a responsible at all if

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Speaker 4: so these new updated regulations will include a much broader

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Speaker 4: list of serious offenses, and you touched on a couple

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Speaker 4: of them, things like offenses relating to riots, violent acts

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Speaker 5: A violent act causing death was previously not on that list.

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Speaker 2: On the regulations list. Can you believe that?

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Speaker 5: So you could commit a violent act causing death and

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Speaker 5: It can't be right.

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Speaker 4: The Youth Justice Regulations, with the feedback from police, all

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Speaker 4: such a big step that the Chief Minister has taken today.

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Speaker 5: Surely that can't be right. Violent act causing death.

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Speaker 4: It's disgraceful that this could have been something where people

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Speaker 5: When did this change to what you're changing now? When

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Speaker 1: I mean, Duran listening to that, do you know, whether

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Speaker 1: think of the exact word. They're a dangerous act causing death.

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Speaker 3: H Look, I'm not aware of when that changed or

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Speaker 2: Under the Youth Justice Act calculation, that's what.

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Speaker 3: So I just again the Salpa government come out and

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Speaker 2: Assaults, on driving. During the writing and without.

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Speaker 3: Consent sittings, you came in lowd the age of criminal responsibility.

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Speaker 4: People who commit violent crime should not be out on

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Speaker 3: Second a detention center, seventy percent of young people come

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Speaker 1: Well, I think Unfortunately, the situation that we're in in

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Speaker 1: It may be different to what I'm anticipating, but I

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Speaker 4: That's right, Katie, and that's exactly what we're working towards.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we came to government, We immediately within a

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Speaker 4: Well, I think, Katie, those that want to be out

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Speaker 4: we have never said that crime has completely eradicated. We

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Speaker 2: We don't accept that in a community.

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Speaker 4: And we have to keep changing the laws to tighten

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Speaker 1: Be backed up quickly. In terms of the amendments to

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Speaker 4: Because it's regulations, we don't have to go to Parliament

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Speaker 1: Duran does labor support this change.

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Speaker 4: We have spoken at length about the different root causes

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Speaker 4: So, like I was explaining, the circuit Breaker program is

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Speaker 4: Then children are family's staff get involved with that family

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Speaker 1: Can I just go back to I do just want

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Speaker 1: Do you get why do you get why people are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that that we, like I said, we'd

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Speaker 3: And that's the difference between us and what's the people.

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Speaker 1: Do you hear the irony of that that you like

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Speaker 3: Like they said, We've been one hundred days. We understand

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Speaker 3: You know, this comes from people living in poverty, a

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Speaker 1: Can't continue to make excuses for really bad behavior. If

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Speaker 3: I'm not making excuses. I'm saying we need to tackle

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Speaker 2: Will support these changes.

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Speaker 3: Attention, But other was asked on the one element of that.

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Speaker 2: So the list again does pretty serious charges.

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Speaker 5: Well, I do think it's like Durand's right about the rehabilitation.

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Speaker 5: There does need to be rehabilitating. I think I think

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Speaker 5: not able to charge them anymore. That the rehabilitation almost

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Speaker 5: You know the old saying, show me your child at seven,

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Speaker 5: That's that's step one. And then when you get to

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Speaker 1: But it cannot be at the risk of the community.

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Speaker 3: A Look, they actually didn't know she was down here yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Mary Claire. I mean, it is quite a long period

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Speaker 4: We do have two ministers who live in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 2: Listening to the community.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's something that we're actually really proud of

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we might take a very quick break. You

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Speaker 1: School of Silkwood in just a few moments time, so

440
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Speaker 1: stick around. Plenty more coming your way. You are listening

441
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Speaker 1: two three sixty the text I'm blowing up this morning.

442
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: I'll get to those messages a little bit later, but

443
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: if you've just joined us, Duran Young on the line

444
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: in Alice Springs, we've got Matt Cunningham from Sky News

445
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: and the Attorney General Murray Claire Boothby now. On Monday,

446
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Government announced the historic purchase of the

447
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: Silkwood property. It's a thirty thousand hectare parcel of land

448
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: equivalent they say, to around fifteen thousand TiO stadiums. The

449
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: landmark seven point five million dollar deal is going to

450
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Speaker 1: see Litchfield National Park expanded by twenty percent and is

451
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Speaker 1: the largest addition to the National Park estate in twenty

452
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Speaker 1: five years. The Chief Minister reckons it's a game changing

453
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Speaker 1: purchase which is going to open up a spectacular new

454
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Speaker 1: southern section of the park featuring untouched waterfalls, gorges, hot

455
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: springs and four wheel drive tracks. Got a message from

456
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Speaker 1: Mickey overnight and he said that the four will Driving

457
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: Association really wanted to see this happen. I also spoke

458
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: or I also had a tourism operator contact me a

459
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: little earlier in the week, guy who'd said, Wolfe, the

460
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: opportunities are absolutely endless when you look at what could

461
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 1: be done in this in this area of Litchfield National Park.

462
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: I mean, it does seem as though the opposite of

463
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: the opportunities, I should say, are endless. I guess you

464
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: just need some money for those opportunities as well, though.

465
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Speaker 2: Don't you, Katie.

466
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 4: This is very, very exciting for territorians. In fact, I

467
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 4: was at mine of my local community events last night

468
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 4: and people families are actually coming up to me saying,

469
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 4: I just want to say thank you for that expansion

470
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 4: to Litchfield. We can't wait to take our Campa van

471
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 4: there and find these new spots, and you know, they're

472
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 4: just really excited about it.

473
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Speaker 5: I mean.

474
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Speaker 2: And also, what.

475
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Speaker 4: You didn't mention was the hunting reserve, which is going

476
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 4: to happen because hunting is obviously a very big draw

477
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 4: card for the territories.

478
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Speaker 1: Did you catch up with bart when I talked about

479
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: that earlier in the week.

480
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So those that you know, all the different groups

481
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 4: that you could think of and all of the locals

482
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: that this is a part of our true territory lifestyle.

483
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 4: And other point that we heard on Monday from Sam

484
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 4: Bennett from Tourism Top End was what this part of

485
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 4: the new Lichfield will be is access in the wet

486
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 4: season and the low season, which is actually really important

487
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 4: for our tourism operators. Traditionally Litchfield, you know, like One

488
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 4: Guy and Bully Rock Hole, they kind of closed down

489
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 4: during the wet because it's crocodiles and other things. Yeah,

490
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 4: One Guy because of the rain of course, and not

491
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 4: of course crocodiles and even a little bit of access there.

492
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 4: What we want this one to be, and I think

493
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 4: it can be, is you can access it all year round,

494
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 4: which means that because of the escarpments and things, that's

495
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 4: much higher ground and so that's a really exciting opportunity

496
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 4: for our tourism operators to get in there.

497
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 5: Did we pay overs, No, So we've got advertised here

498
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 5: for five million bucks. Yeah.

499
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Speaker 4: Look, it has been on the market for a very

500
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 4: very long time. I know that the first prices that

501
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 4: were out there by and there's multiple real esst agents

502
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: that were involved with trying to sell this property for

503
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: a very long time, and I mean I think we

504
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 4: were talking up loads of tens of millions of dollars originally,

505
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 4: so we saw this as an opportunity that it was available.

506
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 4: We struck the deal for seven point five million dollars.

507
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: What that does is secure this land if we had it,

508
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 4: if that had.

509
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Speaker 5: Been over to a private sale for office, office over

510
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 5: five million can sometimes mean a bit more than five million.

511
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 5: But if office over five million and they hadn't been

512
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 5: able to sell it for a long time, should we

513
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 5: not have been able to get it for close to

514
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 5: five million dollars rather than seven point five million dollars.

515
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Speaker 4: I think this is a really good deal for territorians.

516
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 4: Like we've got a debt of eleven billion dollars, we

517
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 4: had labor spending millions and millions on things we didn't

518
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 4: need and what territorians didn't want. Now we have seven

519
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 4: point five million dollars of investment of territorians with the.

520
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Speaker 1: Yesterday as well. In terms of the cost Durana, it

521
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: was something that you were concerned with, and I like,

522
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Speaker 1: I actually did a bit of investigating into this yesterday too,

523
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: because i'd been sent the link where it was offers

524
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: over five million dollars. But then I also found a

525
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: report by Alex Tracy from last year in May two

526
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: thousand and twenty four that said a Sydney general practitioner,

527
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: well he wanted eighteen million plus. I think that included well,

528
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: it was an enormous slice of silk wood. I don't

529
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: know if it's all the same area. I can only

530
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: assume it is. It was thirty five thousand hectares of

531
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Speaker 1: spectacular wilderness.

532
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 5: Someone else tells me that three blocks of land purchased.

533
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 5: It was seventeen million. The lobbying started the three blocks

534
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 5: and now advertised for nine million.

535
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: Oh there you go. So, Duran, do you think it's

536
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: money well spent investment? Have we got Duran there? Can

537
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: you hear us? Duran? Sorry? Mate, can you hear us?

538
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: Do you think it's money well spent? I'm having some difficulty,

539
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: so we might just will continue on. Hopefully we're able

540
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: to get him back on the line.

541
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Speaker 4: But yeah, look to me, I I think he'll be

542
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 4: pretty happy about this. Look.

543
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 5: I don't want to be the way I think it's

544
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: I actually do think it's a great thing, you know what,

545
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 5: I think it's really good. Highlight if Litchfield is and

546
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 5: will be expanded and has all of these things. Is

547
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 5: the growing difference between Lichfield and Kackadoo. And I think

548
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 5: there's real issues with Kakadoo because for some of the

549
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 5: things that Mary Clare was talking about before, the accessibility

550
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 5: at Kakadoo seems to be just becoming less and less

551
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 5: and less. It seems that there's now a two month

552
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 5: window where you can access things at Kakadoo. And as

553
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 5: Mary Clair, I mean at the moment, as you know,

554
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 5: you can access things at Lichfield all around. You can

555
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 5: go to Florence, you can go to Bully. There's a

556
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 5: sealed road all the way around now, you know, and

557
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 5: to have more access more of the year round. But

558
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 5: also at Kakado we've seen like this week Gunlan Falls

559
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 5: reopened after six years. Six years. That is the jewel

560
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 5: in the crown of Kackadoo and it's been shut for

561
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 5: six years because of a dispute between Parks Australia. And

562
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 5: I know people in this jurisdiction always say, oh, we

563
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 5: should get the federal government to come in and take

564
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 5: over because the Northern Territory government's so incompetent. Well if

565
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 5: you and sometimes there's an argument for that. I'm not

566
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 5: saying that the Northern Territory government doesn't have its moments

567
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 5: of incompetence, but if you look at the difference between

568
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 5: Kakadu and Lichfield, you know, it's almost like one is

569
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 5: saying we want to do everything we can to get

570
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 5: as many people to come here all the time, as

571
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 5: often as they can and do as many things as

572
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 5: they can, and the other place is saying, oh, I

573
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 5: don't know, you know, maybe we'll let you come here

574
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 5: just this little.

575
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Speaker 4: You make a pro really good point about the difference

576
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 4: between the two parks, Like one is a national park

577
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: Parks Australia with the federal government and they can be

578
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 4: very difficult to work with, as we all know. And

579
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 4: of course Lichfield is the Northern Territory Government the Parks

580
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 4: and Wildlife people who.

581
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: Do a phenomenal job.

582
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 4: And I think people will definitely understand that that's the case.

583
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 4: And so we know that Litchfield has about two hundred

584
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: and fifty thousand visitors each year, which is phenomenal and

585
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 4: I think that that is just set to grow even

586
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: further with this expansion.

587
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: Zarahan, what do you reckon, mate? Money well spent? I

588
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: know you and I spoke yesterday about the actual cost.

589
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: It seems like there's a few varying numbers floating around,

590
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: But do you reckon that it is a good purchase.

591
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I fully support the expansion of Litchfield National Park.

592
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: You know, as I said yesterday, it sits right in

593
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: the heart of my elector itself, and we know that

594
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: many visitors and many territories use Lichfield National Park to

595
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: show off the territory in a lot of ways because

596
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: it is so close to some of the most spectacular

597
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: waterfalls we have in Australia. That yeah, look, I think

598
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: it was fair to ask the question why it was

599
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: paid fifty percent more than what the asking price originally

600
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: was at five million dollars. And if you go back

601
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: and look at what the actual land itself was worth,

602
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: I think it was at three and a half million dollars.

603
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: Like usually before you buy property, you'll check what it's worth.

604
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: The land valuation.

605
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 5: I do research on the run here. Then the announcement

606
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 5: was for thirty thousand hectares and the link I have

607
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 5: to this five million dollar price is for twenty eight

608
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 5: thou two hundred and fifty eight hectares, which I presume

609
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 5: is the same parcel parcel of land. So I don't know.

610
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: So you reckon we have gone too much.

611
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm just saying there isn't.

612
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: I give you, like, this is an amazing asset for

613
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 4: seven point five million dollars, an incredible asset that is

614
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 4: going to serve territories for generations, for generations. And this

615
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: is what people love about the territory that ruggedge Champion driver.

616
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: And the thing that I want to see is like

617
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: you go to other parts of Australia and this point

618
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: was made to me earlier in the week about Far

619
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: North Queensland, right and the four wheel driving tracks and

620
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: the way in which they've capitalized on those four wiel

621
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: driving tracks and some of the different things you can

622
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: do in Far North Queensland. I go to Queenstown sometimes

623
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Speaker 1: on family holidays. You look at what they've done in

624
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: a place like that. In terms of innovation. There's a

625
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: chairlift so that then you can go up, you can lose,

626
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: you can mountain bike down hills. You know, we seem

627
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: to have lost that innovation in some ways in the

628
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Northern territory and that spirit of let's have a crack

629
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: but let's try something different to get people here instead

630
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: of like everybody knocking.

631
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 5: Everything down in the great boundless possible creed.

632
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: You know.

633
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 5: Part of that said, you know it's a place where

634
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 5: if you have a go, you'll get a go. And

635
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 5: I reckon for the last ten years, it's felt like

636
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 5: it's a place where you try to have a go,

637
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 5: you'll get shut down before you even try.

638
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: And that's why this week that all stops.

639
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: Right. This is an absolute investment in our future. I mean,

640
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 4: you talk about full driving, Katie, we should be the

641
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 4: world's number one destination for for well driving, and this

642
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: part of Lichfield will be that. And Mickey, like you

643
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 4: mentioned from the full Drive Club, he's already out there

644
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 4: getting people to come to the territory for this well.

645
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 5: He reliably informs me that this was a bargain. And

646
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 5: I've known Mickey for a long time and he's never

647
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 5: told me your life, so I'm going to take him

648
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 5: at at his word.

649
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: All right, if you could have anything in this parcel

650
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: of land, what would it be? Want some mountain biking,

651
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: some for wearll driving, some hunting. What do you reckon? Duran? Oh?

652
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 3: For myself, I'm someone that just likes to. I mean,

653
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: I love hiking, but I also love just getting away,

654
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: you know, speaking off on a Saturday night and just

655
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: being able to park your car and set up at

656
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: a camp site, a water hole. I think a lot

657
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Speaker 3: of territories enjoy that. Just just an easy way to

658
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Speaker 3: quick in and out from close to home. So for me,

659
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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, I'm just just out

660
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Speaker 3: of interest. When does it open up?

661
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Speaker 2: It's already open. It's already open.

662
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Speaker 5: We can go there this weekend.

663
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Speaker 3: You can go there.

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Speaker 1: You've got somewhere to go.

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Speaker 2: You'll see Mickey from the Full Drive Club down there.

666
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Speaker 2: He's out there checking it all out.

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Speaker 1: What do you guys reckon? I mean, if you like,

668
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Speaker 1: if you could, if you had any bucket of money,

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Speaker 1: that you could actually see something set up in this

670
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Speaker 1: area of the National Park. What do you think should happen?

671
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Speaker 5: Well, do you know what I reckon? We need? Like

672
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Speaker 5: I love going out to Litchfield and there's some great

673
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Speaker 5: places to stay there. You know, the outback resort at Bachelor,

674
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Speaker 5: which we've stayed at a few times, is terrific. I

675
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Speaker 5: reckon it would be good in twenty twenty five to

676
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Speaker 5: have some really quality accommodation at a place like Lichfield.

677
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Speaker 5: Like remember when they built the Crocodile Hotel all those

678
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 5: years ago, must be forty years ago at Kakadoo, and

679
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Speaker 5: you know it was a deluxe hotel. To say, I

680
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Speaker 5: don't know, there's a lot of people who love camping

681
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 5: and who love roughing it and who love you know,

682
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Speaker 5: staying in some You know.

683
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Speaker 1: There's lots of people like me that hotel.

684
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Speaker 5: And it would you up to a whole a whole

685
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Speaker 5: nother market when it comes to tourism, because at the moment,

686
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Speaker 5: you know, there are a lot of poshturists out there

687
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Speaker 5: and at the mo moment we're saying to them, come

688
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 5: to Lichfield Park, but you know you can camp. I

689
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 5: think it'd be good if there was, you.

690
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Speaker 4: Know, especially with Adelaide River right on the doorstep there.

691
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: I mean, imagine what you can do for that town.

692
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Speaker 4: We all we need some private investors to see the

693
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Speaker 4: opportunity go. Well, you know what, we're going to build

694
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Speaker 4: some accommodation here and instead of just you know, the

695
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Speaker 4: campground at the show grounds there, maybe there will be

696
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Speaker 4: a nice hotel one day.

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Speaker 2: How good would that be.

698
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Speaker 1: Let's wait and see. We are going to have to

699
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Speaker 1: take a very quick break. You're listening to Mix one

700
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Speaker 1: oh four nine's three sixty. It is the week that was.

701
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Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was if you've

702
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Speaker 1: just joined us Murray Claire boothby, Matt Cunningham and Duran

703
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Speaker 1: Young on the show today. Now, one of the issues

704
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Speaker 1: that got people pretty fired up throughout the week is

705
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: the changes when it comes to power prices. Now we

706
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Speaker 1: know that from the first of January, well, I mean

707
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Speaker 1: first of July, I should say you weren't just allowed

708
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Speaker 1: to let off fireworks, but unfortunately your prices went up

709
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Speaker 1: three percent as well. Now that part people seem to

710
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Speaker 1: sort of, you know, they certainly don't want their power

711
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: prices going up, but they seem to be able to

712
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Speaker 1: pallett that to some degree. But the roll out then

713
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: comes in three stages, and there is this tiered pricing system.

714
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Speaker 1: So from January, the first fifty five killow hours per

715
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Speaker 1: day are going to be charged at a normal household rate.

716
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Speaker 1: Usage above that is going to be charged at a

717
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Speaker 1: higher rate equal to the rate applied to small businesses. Now,

718
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Speaker 1: we spoke to Jacana's CEO about this yesterday and he

719
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Speaker 1: talked us through some of how this is going to work.

720
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Speaker 1: But we have had a lot of people messaging in going,

721
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Speaker 1: we use more than fifty five killer what hours a day,

722
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Speaker 1: and we're really worried about, you know, the way in

723
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Speaker 1: which this is going to impact us, and how much

724
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Speaker 1: extra it's going to mean to our bill. Now he said,

725
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Speaker 1: it's not going to be a significant amount extra, but

726
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Speaker 1: a lot of our rural users, for example, saying, well,

727
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Speaker 1: we've got a bore. You know, we run the air

728
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: conditioner because we work hard and we want to be

729
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Speaker 1: able to do that, and it is going to make

730
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Speaker 1: things significantly more expensive. I mean that the last time

731
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Speaker 1: power prices went up, it didn't go well for the

732
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Speaker 1: COLP government, terry mills, but that was a significant amount

733
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Speaker 1: more we know, well, you know.

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Speaker 5: And I think they'd be aware of that. And it's interesting.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure what happens beyond July one next year,

736
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Speaker 5: but it doesn't seem that there is any guarantee from

737
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Speaker 5: the government. Power prices are going to be capped. They

738
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Speaker 5: were previously capped at CPI. This one's at three percent

739
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Speaker 5: from January one. As you say, for higher users, it

740
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Speaker 5: goes up again and then I don't know what happens

741
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Speaker 5: beyond that. I mean, the government is clearly aware that

742
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Speaker 5: they have a rapidly growing problem when it comes to

743
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Speaker 5: the cost of generating power, and just to illustrate that,

744
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Speaker 5: you know, and part of it has been caused, a

745
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Speaker 5: large part of it has been caused by the crazy

746
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Speaker 5: renewable energy policies. You go back, you remember the famous

747
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Speaker 5: report that we got under FOI wherever the page was

748
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Speaker 5: blacked out. I got an unredacted copy of that report

749
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Speaker 5: a bit later, and the government subsequently tabled it in parliament.

750
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Speaker 5: But that at the time, the community service obligation, which

751
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Speaker 5: is the amount of money that tax payers pay to

752
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Speaker 5: basically prop up power and water, was eighty million dollars

753
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 5: a year, and that report, which was done in twenty eighteen, said,

754
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Speaker 5: under this fifty percent renewables model, the community service obligation

755
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Speaker 5: will increase by between twenty five and twenty nine million

756
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Speaker 5: dollars by twenty thirty, you know, depending on the path

757
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 5: we take, but between twenty five and twenty nine, so

758
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Speaker 5: that would have taken it to just over one hundred

759
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 5: million dollars. Right now, it's one hundred and ninety two

760
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Speaker 5: million dollars. That cost has blown out like you would

761
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Speaker 5: not believe.

762
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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 5: Part of that is because we've had issues with the

764
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Speaker 5: gas running out at e Andi and we've had to

765
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Speaker 5: go and find emergency supplies from elsewhere, and part of

766
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Speaker 5: it is because of the renewables. So much money's been

767
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 5: spent and invested on this renewables policy and someone's got

768
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Speaker 5: to pay for it at the end of the day.

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Speaker 5: And consumers have been shielded from that until now because

770
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Speaker 5: the previous government was happy to just let that cost

771
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Speaker 5: basically go on to the bottom line for the debt

772
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Speaker 5: to keep increasing. And at some point someone the government

773
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 5: now is saying, well, that can't go on forever, and realistically,

774
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Speaker 5: until we get the gas from the Beterloo, either from

775
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Speaker 5: Tambor or from Bedloo Energy, you know, we're still going

776
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Speaker 5: to see that cost increase. And I don't think the

777
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Speaker 5: proper planning was done to look for that next source

778
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Speaker 5: of gas supply because people had been convinced or kidted

779
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Speaker 5: or whatever it was that you know, by twenty twenty

780
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Speaker 5: five we'd be able to run our electricity system off

781
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Speaker 5: solar panels, which was the case never going to happen.

782
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Speaker 1: No, that's exactly right. I mean, look, it's a tough

783
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Speaker 1: one and I feel for the you know, those people

784
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Speaker 1: who are concerned about their power prices going up. But

785
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Speaker 1: it does sound as though it's something that's you know,

786
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Speaker 1: the reality of it is that it sort of needs

787
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Speaker 1: to happen.

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Speaker 4: I guess, Katie, if you look at it from an

789
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Speaker 4: average household perspective, I'm just going to use a figure

790
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Speaker 4: of maybe seven hundred dollars a quarter for maybe the

791
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Speaker 4: average up to one thousand.

792
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Speaker 1: I guess in some PA, how hard your kids run

793
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Speaker 1: their air Yeah, I've got.

794
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Speaker 4: Those kids too that run their airc on pretty hard.

795
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Speaker 4: And yeah, it does add up. But I think if

796
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Speaker 4: you let's just use seven hundred because you can give

797
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Speaker 4: and take. Of course, like three percent increases as about

798
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 4: twenty one thirty one dollars a quarter, So it is

799
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Speaker 4: an increase, and of course for some that will probably

800
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Speaker 4: hurt them, but you know, for most, I think they

801
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Speaker 4: should be able to absorb it. And it's a balance

802
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 4: we had to take. We had to make sure that

803
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Speaker 4: we could continue to afford to have this the power

804
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Speaker 4: and everyone contribute. But of course, you know, we don't

805
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Speaker 4: want to go and make it exorbitant either, because that

806
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Speaker 4: doesn't solve anyone's I'd.

807
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Speaker 5: Be interested to see though, from January one, for the

808
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Speaker 5: users who use over the fifty five kill what hours

809
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Speaker 5: how much what the actual increase for that power is,

810
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Speaker 5: because that will tell you exactly how much your power

811
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Speaker 5: is being subsidized at the time. I think. I think

812
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Speaker 5: that what the government's announcing is that everything you use

813
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 5: over and above fifty or five killer what hours a

814
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Speaker 5: day is going to be charged at the unsubsidized rate.

815
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Speaker 5: So we'll find out what the unsubsidized rate of power

816
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 5: will be, and I imagine it's going to be double

817
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 5: what we're paying at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a tiered pricing system, and maybe we could

819
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 4: get some calculations and some examples for the listeners about that,

820
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Speaker 4: because I don't actually have the examples of how that

821
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Speaker 4: tier it will work.

822
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Speaker 2: But we got a little.

823
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Speaker 1: Bit of detail on yesterday. Yeah, we did get a

824
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Speaker 1: little bit of detail on it yesterday and power Wold Sorry,

825
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: Jacana did say to us yesterday that most so there's

826
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Speaker 1: about ten thousand people that fall into the category of

827
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Speaker 1: what they've described what the Chief Minister described on the

828
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Speaker 1: show on Monday as super users is what they're called.

829
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Speaker 1: So about ten thousand territorians. Now, some of them continuously

830
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Speaker 1: sort of go over that fifty five killer what hours

831
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Speaker 1: a day. Others it might be a one off or

832
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Speaker 1: you might have family visiting or whatever and it goes up.

833
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: But nonetheless it is going to have an impact. I mean, Durm,

834
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Speaker 1: what do you make all the changes? It's you know,

835
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Speaker 1: I guess it's a tough one, however you.

836
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Speaker 5: Look at it.

837
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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely it is, Katie. I mean since we talked

838
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Speaker 3: about I think it was last week on the program Friday,

839
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Speaker 3: I've had a number of constituents coming to my electured

840
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Speaker 3: office and raise their concerns around it, especially our seniors

841
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 3: and people that are on pensions. But you know, during

842
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 3: the build up time, during that wet season time, they

843
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: do run their air cons for most of the day,

844
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 3: and I mean they don't really have a choice but

845
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Speaker 3: to run that because it can. The reality is it

846
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 3: is a lot hotter a little bit further south you go,

847
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: like in places and talking about Bachelor when you're off

848
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: the coastline, So people are using their air cons all

849
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: day and they're quite worried that this increase to pipe

850
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: power prices is actually going to impact their daily living

851
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: because you know a lot of our pensioners and old people,

852
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: they they do kind of account there their dollars and

853
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 3: then try to get by week by week as well.

854
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: So they're quite concerned. And I even had one of

855
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 3: a family member who said she kind of meets that cap.

856
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 3: They've got one daughter during the school holidays. They live

857
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: on a rural block, so they do a lot of

858
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 3: their activities at home on rural blocks that they're using

859
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 3: the pumps as the water pumps and they'll be at

860
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: home because they don't have the privilege of like people

861
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 3: do in Darwin and Palmerston, where they that you can

862
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: actually get out of the house. There's activities that you

863
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: can go and enjoy, so you're not using that power

864
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 3: back at home because you know, you might have youth

865
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: programs at Palmerston for example, or in Darwen, it's usually

866
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: many things. You can go to markets and festivals and things,

867
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Speaker 3: but in the rural area or places like Bachelor, you

868
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: just don't have those options. For a lot of difficult

869
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: that people do is on their actual their rural block,

870
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: which means they do use a lot more power, so

871
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 3: they feel like it's really going to hit them really hard,

872
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: and they're what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: Well, Look, it is something that will no doubt continue

874
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Speaker 1: to hear about. I'm sure as people get those bills,

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Speaker 1: we are going to take a really quick break. When

876
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Speaker 1: we come back, we might talk very briefly about who's

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Speaker 1: putting their hand up for local government ahead of those

878
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Speaker 1: elections coming your way in August. Well, it is just

879
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Speaker 1: about time to wrap up. But before we do, the

880
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: Lord Mayor obviously confirming that he is going to run again.

881
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Speaker 1: Convat Scala's putting his hand up for Lord Mayor. He

882
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: did tell us that on the show a couple of

883
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, but I think he's officially come out and confirmed.

884
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Speaker 1: No real word yet on who else is going to

885
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: put their hand up for the mayor of Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: We know that Matt Patterson has said that he will

887
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Speaker 1: not be running. Adam Palmerston. I'm not sure whether Athena

888
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: Pasco Bell is she is. Yep. It's always interesting, isn't it,

889
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: the race for mayor across the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't I think when it comes to our mayors of

891
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 4: our cities and regions, like it's someone that you can

892
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 4: work with, like either as a community and someone who

893
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 4: can go to but also you know from different layers

894
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Speaker 4: of government.

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Speaker 2: We all need to work together.

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Speaker 4: And it's I guess it's the it's the grassroots of government,

897
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Speaker 4: isn't it Like as you put paths, it's your playgrounds

898
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Speaker 4: and yeah, you want you want them to be good, approachable,

899
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Speaker 4: able to work with everybody.

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Speaker 5: Well, it should be those things. It should be what

901
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 5: is it the three hours rates, roads and rubbish sometimes

902
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 5: councils and to Darwin Council's credit and Palmerston they there

903
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Speaker 5: hasn't been too much crazy veering into Wokhism South mad Yeah,

904
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Speaker 5: you see some of those. Look at that guy, Look

905
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Speaker 5: at that guy in Victoria who got sacked by the

906
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Speaker 5: Durban Council because.

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Speaker 1: He read that through didn't do the acknowledgment of.

908
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Speaker 5: The country at the beginning of the Safety Toolbox meeting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I read that through the week. Yeah, look, it's

910
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: all it's really interesting. Do you remember a few years

911
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: back there was there was about eighteen people that put

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Speaker 1: their hand up for me for Darwin. Do you recall that.

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Speaker 1: It was when I can't remember what the political party

914
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Speaker 1: was called, but it was like another political party had

915
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: set themselves up and it might be one territory. Yeah,

916
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Speaker 1: and they had a number of candidates running. There was

917
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Speaker 1: a number of other candidates and it was like this

918
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: massive race. Yeah, you know for mayor. It was a

919
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Speaker 1: very interesting time. I don't know whether that's going to

920
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Speaker 1: happen this year. I mean Deranda. You know, have you

921
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: heard anyone who's putting their hand up aside from con.

922
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Speaker 3: No, I'm not aware of anyone in the Dahn region

923
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Speaker 3: putting their hand run. But you know, I think it

924
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Speaker 3: is a great opportunity to you know, it's the first

925
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Speaker 3: layer of government here in the Northern territory of local government,

926
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Speaker 3: and it's a great opportunity for people to choose who

927
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Speaker 3: their mayor is. But what is concerning is there is

928
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Speaker 3: a discussion paper out at the moment around the Local

929
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Speaker 3: Government Act and looking at changing the way we elect

930
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Speaker 3: our mayors, taking it out of the hands of people. Yeah,

931
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Speaker 3: electing our councilors then to choose the mayor, which quite

932
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Speaker 3: dangerous and you know, it brings in the politics. I

933
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Speaker 3: agree with its works quite well right now because we

934
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Speaker 3: do see mayors that are able to work both sides

935
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Speaker 3: of the isle. I mean, an example of Spring so

936
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Speaker 3: I think that change is quite concerning.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I agree with that too. For that reason, the last

939
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Speaker 5: thing you would want to see is that one major

940
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Speaker 5: political party or the other trying to get the numbers

941
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Speaker 5: on the council.

942
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Speaker 1: So it'll end up being a fringe party that does that,

943
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Speaker 1: I reckon.

944
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well exactly, and that's what's concerning about. But what

945
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Speaker 3: I've been impressed with local government and the mayors. They're

946
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Speaker 3: being able to work both sides, and that's the community

947
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: expectation when they're elected.

948
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Speaker 1: In Look, someone's just messaged and said, do you remember

949
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Speaker 1: when Scrumpy the Dog ran for me? She got a

950
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Speaker 1: few votes. I do remember. I do remember.

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Speaker 5: And at nteen years we got Damo the Fixer to

952
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Speaker 5: run for Lord Mayor and you got seven percent. Oh

953
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Speaker 5: on that night.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap up. Matt Cunningham

955
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Speaker 1: from Sky News, thanks so much for your time this morning, Murray,

956
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: Claire boothby the Attorney General, thank you for your time

957
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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Katy, and can I just give a quick

959
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 4: shout out to Amber n t who deal with parents

960
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: have bereaved children. They're doing their walk to Remember this

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Speaker 4: weekend Sunday at Sanctuary Lakes.

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Speaker 2: So they do a wonderful job for a lot of time.

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Speaker 2: They do.

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Speaker 1: They truly do. Duran Young, good to catch up with

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Speaker 1: you from Alice Springs this morning. Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and thank you to all your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Katie, Oh, hey, I just got word in. Sam from

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Speaker 1: the Mad Snake is running for me? Is what Crystal's

969
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Speaker 1: just telling me. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was real going. We'll hang on.

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Speaker 1: Someone's text That in someone's texting, so it could just

972
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Speaker 1: be someone hoping that he.

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Speaker 5: Puts something up on. He puts something up on, his

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Speaker 5: socials

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Speaker 1: Will go well, so we can find out