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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was in the

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Speaker 1: the Minister for Police and Families, Good morning to you,

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Speaker 1: Good morning Katie. We've also got the independent member for

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Speaker 1: goid Kizi Apuric. Good morning to Eukezier.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie, Morning bush people.

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Speaker 1: And from Alice Springs we have got Bill Yan, the

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you back Katie, and morning to everybody

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Speaker 3: here in Darwen.

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Speaker 1: Now, unfortunately we start this morning on some pretty ordinary news.

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Speaker 1: It's going to take me a little while to get

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Speaker 1: through because police have arrested a man over a spate

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Speaker 1: of violent robberies.

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Speaker 4: Overnight.

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Speaker 1: So a man entered the BWS Palmerston, allegedly threatening staff

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Speaker 1: that he would slit their throats. That was at about

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Speaker 1: two forty yesterday afternoon. He then took a credit card

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Speaker 1: from an employee and left the bottle of the same

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Speaker 1: man then returned again at three point fifteen in the afternoon,

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Speaker 1: allegedly threatening staff that he was going to hurt them

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Speaker 1: with a knife before stealing alcohol and leaving. The man

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Speaker 1: returned once again later that afternoon with a kitchen knife

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Speaker 1: in his pocket, allegedly threatening to stab staff before stealing

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Speaker 1: more alcohol.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, later that evening, two other men visited the same

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Speaker 1: store in Palmerston, allegedly threatening staff members with an axe.

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Speaker 1: One of the men proceeded to steal alcohol. Police said

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Speaker 1: that the axe was not sighted, but the offender gave

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Speaker 1: The two men were located shortly after and were arrested.

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Speaker 4: Now, following that.

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Speaker 1: Incident, a man went into the BWS Palmerston store with

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Speaker 1: a twenty five centimeter steak knife. Police alleged the man

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Speaker 1: attacked a security guard who was at the bottle shop

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Speaker 1: at nine point thirty that night. The man then disarmed

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Speaker 1: and fled the scene. He's yet to be located. Police

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Speaker 1: are currently investigating. Then a separate incident where three men

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Speaker 1: had broken into the same store after hours. The group

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Speaker 1: with some members then entering the shop to steal alcohol

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Speaker 1: while the other held the door open. While this was happening,

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Speaker 1: another group of men attended the bottle shop and allegedly

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Speaker 1: proceeded to steal alcohol. Now Then, early this morning, a

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Speaker 1: BWS Palmerston employee had witnessed a man walking inside of

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Speaker 1: the premises. The employee reported this to police, where they

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Speaker 1: then attended the scene at about three twelve this morning,

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Speaker 1: but the man had already disappeared and investigations into that matter,

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, are ongoing now. That information there

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Speaker 1: thanks to Tanney Maxwell, who is our journalist in the mornings,

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Speaker 1: who'd spoken to the Watch commander much earlier today.

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Speaker 4: However, you look at it, that's.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody in this room would disagree that

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Speaker 1: that is a horrendous night.

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Speaker 5: You won't get any disagreement, I don't think from the

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Speaker 5: three of us today, Katie. There is no place for

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Speaker 5: violence in our community, absolutely no place for it at all,

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Speaker 5: and it has been an incredibly sad week and to

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Speaker 5: hear that happening overnight again is just absolutely not good enough.

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Speaker 2: And I would also make comment that we can see.

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Speaker 5: The real effects of alcohol that has on our community

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Speaker 5: through those crimes as well, so there's no place for it.

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Speaker 5: You won't get any disagreement for me, I don't think

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Speaker 5: you'll get it from any of our panel members this morning.

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Speaker 2: Katie.

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Speaker 6: What the biggest concern I have is for the well

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Speaker 6: being of the staff. It's sort of the living pissed

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Speaker 6: out of me if someone came into my business here

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Speaker 6: twenty five centimeter night, I'm just messing. That's roughly the

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Speaker 6: length of a ruler, you know, the old foot ruler,

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Speaker 6: and you know those stuff.

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Speaker 5: I'll be.

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Speaker 6: I go that bottleshop quite regularly because it's convenient and

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Speaker 6: they have a particular wine that I like. But and

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Speaker 6: I sort of know the staff a little bit, and

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Speaker 6: they're young people.

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Speaker 2: They're all young people.

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Speaker 6: Predominantly male, but there's a few females too, and they're

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Speaker 6: just trying to do their job.

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Speaker 2: They're trying. They're do the job like.

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Speaker 6: You and I do our jobs. And yet you know

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Speaker 6: they're being terrorized. That's no other word for it. It's

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Speaker 6: urban terrorism. And you know, I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 6: the poor buggers, you know, if they're full time, they'll

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Speaker 6: be on sick leave for some time or you know,

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Speaker 6: sit here. And I know the Endeavored Drinks who own

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Speaker 6: that establishment have been very good and they seem to

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Speaker 1: My understanding is that they are closed today. They're going

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Speaker 4: Look, My question though, is.

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Speaker 1: After and I understand that they go through these situations

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Speaker 1: quite often, but after those first couple of incidents did occur,

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Speaker 1: I do question why they didn't close. But then you know,

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Speaker 1: even once they did close, there's further incidents occurring.

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Speaker 2: They just we can't blame them.

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Speaker 5: We can't blame the venue. Sorry, Bill, but we can't

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Speaker 5: blame the venue. And I get your point, and I

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Speaker 5: guess there are decisions that a business makes along the way,

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Speaker 5: and I do think that we can't sit here and

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Speaker 5: blame the venue. We have to know, Look, I'm not

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Speaker 5: we have to blame the perpetrated and the police have

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Speaker 5: done a superb job overnight and picked up a number

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Speaker 5: of one of those offenders through that chain of events

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Speaker 5: that you've talked about.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, it's it's to be a picture here, though,

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Speaker 7: is this culture that has now been allowed to exist

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Speaker 7: where people can come into bottle shops, threatened staff with knives,

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Speaker 7: with blood instruments, not even that just walking and steal

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Speaker 7: our whole from our bottle shops, but not just bottle

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Speaker 3: This has been shop out at my life.

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Speaker 7: This has been happening in Central Australia for a long time.

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Speaker 7: It's now moved here to Darwin. I'm really sad to

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Speaker 7: have to say that, but it's now here in Darwin.

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Speaker 7: But it's a crime culture that's been allowed to grow

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Speaker 7: under Labor. We've seen soft policies from Labor on crime

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Speaker 7: and crime and anti social behavior and that the threatening

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Speaker 7: behavior has increased across the board and it.

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Speaker 3: Needs to be dealt with.

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Speaker 7: We need to address this otherwise it's going to continue

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Speaker 7: and it's going to get work.

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Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, it's not just threatening behavior anymore. And we

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Speaker 1: Sunday Night this week, we're in a situation where a

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Speaker 1: young Territorian's life was lost. I spoke to that young

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Speaker 1: I think that the whole of the Northern Territory felt

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: Knife Like.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I feel so upset about is thinking

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Speaker 4: Knives, and that's available too that's exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the things that is just so saying,

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Speaker 6: You can just go into any any supermarket anywhere and

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Speaker 5: The considerations we're making at the moment, Kadie. It is

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Speaker 5: something that's happened all over Australia and it has emerged

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Speaker 5: that violence but also that use of weapons. So we

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Speaker 5: do need to modernize and contemporize the sort of penalties.

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Speaker 2: Will that make a difference. We have to look at that.

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Speaker 5: We'll be working with police very closely to make sure

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Speaker 2: But it is a phenomenon that has occurred. We saw

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Speaker 5: And I think the Police Commissioner was on the other

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Speaker 2: The rise in this sort of crime and the national changes.

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Speaker 5: So I think there's things that we need to keep

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Speaker 5: and you know we need to put our foot down

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Speaker 5: on And you know politicians are no different. Kesier, myself

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Speaker 5: and Bill, we all live in the same community as

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Speaker 5: is heartbreaking. We've got our own kids going out. I've

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Speaker 5: certainly got a daughter working in a license venue and

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Speaker 2: Now, and we need to make sure that we do

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Speaker 7: This has been building like. This is not something that's

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Speaker 7: just happened. This has been building for quite some time.

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Speaker 7: If you look at Camart next to my office in

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Speaker 7: Ella Sprint, go and ask him how many state nives

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Speaker 7: I have style On the week the kids walk into

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Speaker 7: out the front door. Now the security guards have been told,

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Speaker 7: don't intercept, don't deal with them, just let them go.

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Speaker 7: Came out, are happy to deal with that theft sadly,

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Speaker 7: but this is happening.

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Speaker 3: It's been happening every day for months and months.

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Speaker 4: And the scary part about it is that ye came up.

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Speaker 1: It might be okay with dealing with that theft, but

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Speaker 4: Streets exactly and with a package.

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Speaker 2: This is a phenomenon, Katie.

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Speaker 5: We have seen it in bottle shops where you know,

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Speaker 2: Connections that we've got. But that doesn't deter people.

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Speaker 5: But the thing is, but it all comes back to

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Speaker 5: why are people trying to so desperately access alcohol?

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Speaker 4: That's part of it. That's part of a big ques.

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Speaker 1: There is a big question about alcohol and the way

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Speaker 1: big question as well about the issues that we've got

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Speaker 1: But earlier this week, earlier this week, we've had a

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Speaker 1: a situation, as we all know from Sunday night, where

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Speaker 1: three people were arrested following on from the terribly tragic

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Speaker 1: incident that that's a curb. One of those obviously in

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Speaker 1: relation to the murder of Declan Lavity. The other two

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Speaker 1: in relation to separate incidents that were teenagers.

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Speaker 2: Katie.

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Speaker 5: I take my role as police manister very very seriously

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Speaker 5: and it would be improper to talk about the details

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Speaker 5: of any of those matters. So if we could just

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Speaker 5: know one's asking you, so just saying you're you're now.

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Speaker 4: Talking, we're talking. I think you can get away with

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Speaker 4: that in parliament.

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Speaker 1: In the studio, you actually need to address the fact

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Speaker 1: that we've got a youth crime issue. We've got a

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Speaker 4: So let's we've got a sort of am out.

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Speaker 5: Let's park the issue that you've just raised, because I'd

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Speaker 5: We're now up to sixty eight. That is catching those

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Speaker 7: And what I found most interesting this week in parliament, Catie,

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Speaker 5: Absolutely incorrect. It was in my first speech department. You're

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Speaker 5: we're grandparents. Absolutely, it's not good enough. And you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm not pre emptying anything, but weapons are readily like

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Speaker 2: That's what we're currently.

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Speaker 6: I think it was the Chief Minister on your show

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Speaker 2: Well bloody late it's taken hold.

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Speaker 7: Go back that not that long ago, the Berry Springs

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Speaker 1: have a neutral stat like that it's neutral when it

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Speaker 1: comes to bail, because I don't think they do.

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Speaker 4: I think that people know.

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Speaker 1: Inspect that they're going to It should be neutral, Katie,

447
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Speaker 1: it should be they don't get that presumption in favor

448
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Speaker 1: of bilet, should not have that presumption.

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Speaker 7: It then should be up to presumption. It should be

450
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Speaker 7: then up to the legal people to argue that that

451
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Speaker 7: person should get bailed, because I think the community certainly

452
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Speaker 7: expects more than what they're getting for someone who commits

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Speaker 7: the all on offense. Our repeat offender to have that

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Speaker 7: immediate position in favor of bail does not commit not

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Speaker 7: what I said, It certainly doesn't meet the.

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Speaker 2: Safety but you're misleading there. So what I said is

457
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Speaker 2: that it's.

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Speaker 4: Not in favor of bail, so it's neutral.

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Speaker 1: So the parolice, So let's not pretend form police it's not.

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Speaker 5: Again, but Katie, the police would make that decision, and

461
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Speaker 5: they are the ones that know more about the particular

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Speaker 5: crime than others, so they then make that decision about

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Speaker 5: and it is the police commissioners said to me yesterday,

464
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Speaker 5: it's all about risk to the community. So they consider

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Speaker 5: that in terms of what the person has done. So

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Speaker 5: do you there is not going risk to the community?

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Speaker 5: Ask you this, you're the matter.

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Speaker 2: We're reviewing it because we need to make sure because

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Speaker 2: at the end of.

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Speaker 1: The day, our politicians are employed to listen to the community.

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Speaker 1: You guys have voted to listen to the community. The

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Speaker 1: police or the commissioner for you know, for public employment

473
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Speaker 1: or any other department is not employed by the community

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Speaker 1: and not voted in by the community to listen to them.

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Speaker 1: But you guys are, and at the moment the community

476
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Speaker 1: is screaming out and they have been for some time.

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Speaker 5: I would feel that a violent offense, including a weapon,

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Speaker 5: in my own personal opinion, should have some sort of

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Speaker 5: presumption against Baal, but I cannot.

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Speaker 2: I do not want to influence the work.

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Speaker 5: That's going ahead right now, because it's important that it

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Speaker 5: gets reviewed properly, that police get a say, and that

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Speaker 5: everybody working in this place has a say.

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Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of people are worried

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Speaker 1: that what's going to happen, though, is that you know,

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Speaker 1: we're going to have you know, we're going to have

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Speaker 1: other groups try to influence our politicians to not do that.

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Speaker 4: And you know, and while the communities.

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Speaker 5: We often get influenced from both sides, Katie, but we

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Speaker 5: do listen to our community and we know right now

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Speaker 5: that the community is hurting. We are hurting as individuals

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Speaker 5: as part of our community. So what we need to

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Speaker 5: do is let this work happen and make sure that

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Speaker 5: what we've got in law reflects what the community expects,

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Speaker 5: and that work is afoot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I've got two things to say, Kyle. One about the

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Speaker 6: capsican spray. They don't need to do too much work.

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Speaker 6: All I've got to do is go to anty police

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Speaker 6: who already have the guidelines in place for the use

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Speaker 6: of capskin strayed by police officers. So you just look

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Speaker 6: at those guidelines, pass them on refine them a livunit training.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's fine, but.

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Speaker 5: So we've saw them about our corrections are providing the

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Speaker 5: training for our transit officers. So we've got that well

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Speaker 5: and truly downpack. But the difference being the's transit officers

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Speaker 5: are members of a government employee whereas security officers and.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying control are not ready.

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Speaker 5: At least they've been done and the training package for

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Speaker 5: transit offices has been developed.

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Speaker 2: It's just a matter of now getting that.

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Speaker 4: Soon will it be implemented, So the transit offices.

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Speaker 5: Will be done with them with great urgency within weeks.

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Speaker 5: And already workers started on how that can be rolled

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Speaker 5: out for.

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Speaker 1: And how with that review? How quickly is that going

517
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Speaker 1: to happen? The review of the bail it's already underway.

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Speaker 1: But how soon will it be complete?

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Speaker 2: No one, No one's giving, noone's giving week.

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Speaker 7: On Thursday, we went to Parliamentary Council first and Thursday

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Speaker 7: morning and we gave them instructions as to what we'd

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Speaker 7: like to see as far as the Bible changes go.

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Speaker 7: And it's quite simple. And what we put to Parliamentary

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Speaker 7: Council to draft for us, which was for a person

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Speaker 7: who has committed a violent crime or is a repeat effective.

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Speaker 7: The weapon is The starting point is no bile and

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Speaker 7: and that's quite simple.

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Speaker 3: The starting point is that's.

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Speaker 2: What community expects.

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Speaker 6: Community that the resumption against is what you're saying, that's deicide.

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Speaker 6: Second point I wanted to make because we talk about

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Speaker 6: community expectations and sometimes you know, and that's appropriate. You know,

533
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Speaker 6: that's how governments get elected and unelected. So an alleged

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Speaker 6: perpetrator on bail for a criminal serious offense of assault

535
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Speaker 6: with a weapon and harming someone is put on bail.

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Speaker 6: That doesn't meet it doesn't in the community whatsoever. I

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Speaker 6: don't care what anyone in the legal world says. That

538
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Speaker 6: person should not have been let out on bail.

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Speaker 2: That's what people are saying.

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Speaker 5: Presumption about particulars there that I'm not going to talk about.

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Speaker 2: I don't know them, but that's what the people.

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Speaker 6: Once that information came out into the public domain, people

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Speaker 6: are going, are you serious?

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Speaker 4: That does not meet the community's expectations.

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Speaker 2: We are looking at that with urgency.

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Speaker 5: Everybody that I've met over the last couple of days

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Speaker 5: understands that this needs to be done urgently.

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Speaker 2: We don't come back into Parliament.

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Speaker 5: We're into Parliament next week, but the Parliamentary Council, we're

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Speaker 5: not going to put on them an outcome. We're not

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Speaker 5: going to just tell them what to do. We need

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Speaker 5: to work through it to take sure.

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Speaker 1: Not I understand that there is certainly you know that

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Speaker 1: you want to be showing that level of respect to

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Speaker 1: everybody involved, but why not.

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Speaker 5: But we've committed to just look at bail and penalties

557
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Speaker 5: and we need to make sure that we get it

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Speaker 5: right the first time and that we don't have to

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Speaker 5: then come back and tinker at.

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Speaker 2: The engines edges because we didn't in parliament.

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Speaker 5: That's right, because we did something without actually thinking it through.

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Speaker 2: So it's all very well to walk into Parliamentary Council, Katie.

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Speaker 1: It's just at this point now the hear it's being

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Speaker 1: reviewed like because the community has been screaming out about

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Speaker 1: this for a lot longer than just this week.

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Speaker 7: We brought this in two years ago, Katie. Effectly, what

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Speaker 7: we're talking about now is that starting point of nobail

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Speaker 7: or the presumption against bif a violent repeat offenders, and

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Speaker 7: Labor voted it down and bought in new bail laws

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Speaker 7: which are weaker than what was there before so and

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Speaker 7: now look at the position that we're in and look

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Speaker 7: at the community expectations right now today after what's taken

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Speaker 7: place this week. The time for reviews over, Kate, I'm

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Speaker 7: sorry to say that the time for review was long

575
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Speaker 7: gone and passed. That the time is now for action

576
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Speaker 7: and the community.

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Speaker 2: Expects doing it, and we're doing it.

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Speaker 5: So there's no one into key consequences of legislation. It's actually,

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Speaker 5: as a legislator, you have to do it right. Keysy's

580
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Speaker 5: got plenty of experience in this space as a legislator,

581
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Speaker 5: you have to make sure and to make you want

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Speaker 5: to come back and tinker around the st.

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Speaker 1: Because I want to talk about some of the issues

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Speaker 1: that you know, obviously we've spoken about those the bail

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Speaker 1: and spoken about the Capsicum spay and a few of

586
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Speaker 1: those different things. But we've also now got a situation

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Speaker 1: obviously where we're looking at having increased security.

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Speaker 4: On bottle shops.

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Speaker 1: You know, are we in a situation here where we

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Speaker 1: actually need to look at the opening hours, the opening days,

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Speaker 1: some restrictions on bottle shops as well. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just thinking out loud here whether that

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Speaker 1: needs to be part of the distuss.

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Speaker 2: To quite a lot of things.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, it's a workplace now that we can very clearly

596
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Speaker 5: see is not as straightforward as you know, perhaps working

597
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Speaker 5: as a checkout those sorts of work. So we do

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Speaker 5: need to work with the industry, and I know that

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Speaker 5: we have been today as mentioned earlier, Devor have been

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Speaker 5: amazing in this space.

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Speaker 2: We need to work with them to make sure if

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Speaker 2: you can improve.

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Speaker 5: I know that in my local bottle store, what they've

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Speaker 5: done is they've actually taken all of the the spirits

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Speaker 5: and locked them all back at the back of the

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Speaker 5: shop to improve that. They've stopped putting things right out

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Speaker 5: the front. I known our springs. They've been incredibly proactive.

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Speaker 5: They're recognizing this. But you know, people getting alcohol and

609
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Speaker 5: being this desperate for alcohol means that we do need

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Speaker 5: to look at those those settings around alcohol, Cadie, And

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Speaker 5: you know, you sort of got to get this balance

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Speaker 5: because we all know, and we say it regularly, prohibition

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Speaker 5: doesn't work in itself, but you still need to have

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Speaker 5: levers to pull, and we need to get people that

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Speaker 5: have got an alcohol addiction treated.

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Speaker 4: Then have we got enough spaces for all that we do?

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Speaker 4: And so what's happening. They're just not going so you can't.

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Speaker 2: So you can't absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Get forces anybody.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to This isn't said badly, but the

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Speaker 5: CLP had mandatory alcohol treatment and I think they had

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Speaker 5: one person go through.

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Speaker 2: We've had a much much.

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Speaker 5: I can't give you the number today, but that's quite

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Speaker 5: high figures comparatively. Mandatory doesn't work either. It's a bit

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Speaker 5: like prohibition. So you've got to really work through that

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Speaker 5: health And if people don't want to help, get the help, Katie,

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Speaker 5: you can't force them because they just won't get we got.

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Speaker 4: We have to do something.

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Speaker 1: So this is the thing we have to, like, we've

631
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Speaker 1: got to change this tact of you know, we're reviewing stuff,

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Speaker 1: we're looking at these different things. It's going to take time.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to get it wrong. We all understand

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Speaker 1: it's going to take time.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to but we all understand that.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is this is not the first week

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Speaker 1: that we've been worried about these issues.

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Speaker 4: We've talked how.

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Speaker 1: Many times have we been talking about these issues on

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Speaker 1: the week that was.

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Speaker 6: For example, and getting more brazen and it has and

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Speaker 6: ever since I've been coming on week that was now okay.

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Speaker 3: For two years that we're here.

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Speaker 7: Talking about talking about it again, it's like I call

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Speaker 7: it grand hole days.

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Speaker 4: The time for review is over.

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Speaker 7: The same discussions every time without any change, and.

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Speaker 4: When the community is frustrating.

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Speaker 6: I think the businesses themselves obviously will be doing their

650
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Speaker 6: own risk assessment, their own we're working with procedures where

651
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Speaker 6: they change them. And you know, it's not just the

652
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Speaker 6: drive through bottle shops. It's the bottle shops to stand alone,

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Speaker 6: like the one next to my officers, so just to

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Speaker 6: walk in one. It may be that the businesses have

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Speaker 6: to look at doing something similar to what happens in

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Speaker 6: Bunnings when they have those with the spray paints. You know,

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Speaker 6: you have your have your cages, and you might it's

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Speaker 6: going to cost money. It's going to cost businesses more money.

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Speaker 1: This problem the thing I worried about, though, Even if

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Speaker 1: you end up with those cages and things up.

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Speaker 2: You'll still get people threatening stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, and so then you worry about the

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Speaker 1: danger that is sort of That's like these.

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Speaker 6: These dumb asses have to soon realize that if they

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Speaker 6: do this and get caught by police, the consequences will

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Speaker 6: be severe.

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Speaker 2: I get it. They're addicted to alcohol and that's a

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Speaker 2: health issue.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't give you a right to break the law.

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Speaker 1: To break them absolutely, and that's where we're at as

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Speaker 1: a community.

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Speaker 4: I think right now where I'm glad.

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Speaker 1: That we can all agree on this because I tell

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Speaker 1: you what, it didn't sound like it during Parliament this week.

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Speaker 1: It sounded like a shit show and it made me

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Speaker 1: feel really quite upset thinking what direction is the Northern

677
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: Territory going in, you know, when we're still yelling out

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Speaker 1: things like don't talk the territory down and yeah at

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Speaker 1: each other.

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Speaker 4: We have from this, and.

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Speaker 2: I agree they have.

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Speaker 6: A couple of the ministers did that and I won't

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Speaker 6: name them because I think it was.

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Speaker 1: Just I will it was the Chief Minister and the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General and it was disgraceful behavior.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was embarrassing at this I was embarrassed.

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Speaker 7: About a member of our Legislative Assembly at a number

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Speaker 7: of times.

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Speaker 1: Point for me is that I understand that you guys

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Speaker 1: are all on different sides of the fence when it

691
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Speaker 1: comes to politics, but the Northern Territory is a wonderful

692
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Speaker 1: place and it should be a wonderful place.

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Speaker 4: But at the moment it's not well. The way that

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Speaker 4: things are going, it is not a great place.

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Speaker 2: Both there's only two such the fence by the way.

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Speaker 4: Too, and you're in the middle. There a sort of.

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00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: There's two sides of the fence and is on top.

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Speaker 5: Though she only ever votes with the CLP so and

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Speaker 5: she actually is louder than the CLP at times.

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Speaker 2: So some of their policies he.

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Speaker 5: Warks up quicker and if we have to go to

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00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 5: the CLP, you guarantee that.

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Speaker 3: Keys is.

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Speaker 6: That's because you keep picking on the poor poniest parliament, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I know you've been around it long enough.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of back and forth, but I tell

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Speaker 5: you this week it's long hours and we've done three

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Speaker 5: long days and there was a really somber tone about it. Yes,

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Speaker 5: Question Time has an element of theater to it. There

710
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 5: is a back and forth that's been that's been like

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00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 5: that forever.

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning when it opened, okay, after what had going on,

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Speaker 1: it was it didn't seem like there was not even

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00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: use didn't seem very nice.

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00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: It's not even useful back and forth.

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00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 7: It was time for some humility and time for some

717
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Speaker 7: understanding and we and we did not see that from.

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Speaker 2: I disagree with you.

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Speaker 5: There was not one member of our government that was

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Speaker 5: not absolutely shaken to the core about what had happened.

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Speaker 2: The time was somber.

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Speaker 6: Well, no, that's analogy smart us and saying about you know,

723
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Speaker 6: three presents of seal.

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Speaker 3: That is so boring, That is so boring.

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Speaker 4: And look, I.

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Speaker 1: Guess my point is I'm not trying to be I'm

727
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Speaker 1: not the judge, jury and executor of everything. But what

728
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Speaker 1: i will tell you all is that you know, from

729
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Speaker 1: what I'm hearing on the phone lines, and from what

730
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing on the text line, and from what I'm

731
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Speaker 1: getting in really extensive emails from territorians right now, is

732
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Speaker 1: that people just.

733
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Speaker 4: We just want the place to thrive.

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Speaker 1: We just want the place to be the wonderful, you know,

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Speaker 1: wonderful place to live. Would have seen day community Safety

736
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Speaker 1: early power amount.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday I passed the trespass law and that's something the

738
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Speaker 5: community had been asking for and it will help shop

739
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Speaker 5: owners make sure that people can't you know, the point

740
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Speaker 5: was made by the Member for Maki yesterday, what about

741
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 5: people sheltering? And you know, we're not demonizing people that

742
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 5: are homeless and are genuinely sheltering under shops. It's where

743
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 5: behavior is poor. And I made this point to him yesterday.

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Speaker 5: If you're just sheltering under a shop, I don't think

745
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Speaker 5: shopkeepers at no time would worry about that.

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Speaker 1: They have been at the shopping center and seeing people

747
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Speaker 1: with bucket balls of my children, my children, well I

748
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Speaker 1: won't say because it's terrible. Well it is bloody terrible.

749
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Speaker 1: But the point is that stuff that your children are.

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Speaker 5: Correct soul and the Trespus Act is streamlined and it

751
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Speaker 5: will help shop owners because they've been We've been talking

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Speaker 5: to them.

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Speaker 3: The police have juris that look.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, any legislation we bring in, and this comes back

755
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Speaker 5: to sittings, any legislation we bring in, the oppositions not happy.

756
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 5: That's just the nature of them. That's the nature of Parliament.

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Speaker 5: And I'm sure if we were in opposition we would

758
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Speaker 5: behave the same way.

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Speaker 7: Yesterday the judge came out and said the laws that

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Speaker 7: are created and being implemented.

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Speaker 3: Are allowing a crime culture.

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Speaker 4: To I degree with that.

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Speaker 7: In section eighteen of the Trespassed Act, it says if

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Speaker 7: someone's got hardship, if they come in and effectively take

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Speaker 7: something because of hardship.

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Speaker 2: So what it says it does the tress bus is

767
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: not about taking that fieving. That's theft bills and your.

768
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Speaker 3: Can use that note, they can use that position. It

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Speaker 3: says a legislation that if it's for hardship, if someone's

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Speaker 3: hungry they come in and take food.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't say that.

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Speaker 5: What it says is if you're trespassed from the Social

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Speaker 5: Security office, which is where you get your Center Link payments,

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Speaker 5: and you have to go in, then that might be

775
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Speaker 5: considered hardship. It doesn't say anything about walking in and

776
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Speaker 5: stealing food around the hardship you are.

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Speaker 2: It's leading look as usual.

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Speaker 1: Look, we will take a very short break when we

779
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Speaker 1: come back. I do want to just talk about the

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Speaker 1: police resourcing side of things, because we have obviously discussed

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week about overt and covert operations happening.

782
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Speaker 1: So we'll talk a little bit more about that and

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Speaker 1: what exactly it means. In just a couple of moments,

784
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Speaker 1: you are listening to Mix one oh four mines three sixty,

785
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: you are listening to Mix one oh four nine the

786
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Speaker 1: hour is absolutely flying by and joining me in the

787
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Speaker 1: studio is of course, Kate Worden, Keesy Epuric and Bill Yan. Now,

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Speaker 1: part of the announcement that was made throughout the week

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Speaker 1: was the fact that there will be an increased police presence,

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Speaker 1: overt and covert operations to try to deal with what

791
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Speaker 1: we have been seeing when it comes to not only

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Speaker 1: I guess the incidents at the bottle shops.

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Speaker 4: But also that knife crime. I'm assuming, but.

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Speaker 1: Look, the big question has been where exactly are those

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Speaker 1: police going to come from? And we did speak to

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Speaker 1: the Police Commissioner, Jamie Chalker on the show yesterday and

797
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Speaker 1: he said, Katie, there will be a situation where he

798
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Speaker 1: will be talking to his.

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Speaker 4: Supervisors and they will be getting moved from different areas.

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Speaker 1: Now, one of the areas that I did here was

801
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Speaker 1: flagged with Strikeforce Trident and I thought to myself, goodness,

802
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Speaker 1: may they do such a phenomenal job with the property

803
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Speaker 1: crime and with some of the youth crime and offending

804
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Speaker 1: that we see. Can we afford to have, you know,

805
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: police officers like that taken off those jobs and moved.

806
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Speaker 4: To other areas.

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Speaker 5: This is being I think it's a bit of a

808
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 5: football that keeps getting kicked around about numbers for police.

809
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 5: But I mean, Alice Springs aren't complaining. They've got extra

810
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 5: police down there, and we've continued with that and we've.

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Speaker 2: Rotated through people through.

812
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Speaker 5: But we've also got new recruits that are going into

813
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Speaker 5: that have gone into Alice, and I've caught up with

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Speaker 5: a few of them lately. They're just absolutely loving their

815
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 5: job down there. So that's a good thing. So from

816
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 5: time to time, and this is an operational thing for police.

817
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 5: Police don't operate under the same as a public service.

818
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 5: They've got their own act which gives the Police Commissioner

819
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 5: the autonomy to make those operational moves as it should

820
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Speaker 5: be because I'm not a police off myself, but what

821
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Speaker 5: we've committed to and maybe this can put this to

822
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Speaker 5: better around police numbers and everyone's saying, you know, I mean,

823
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Speaker 5: I'm not an expert around and people have been saying, oh,

824
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 5: you know, we've asked government for three hundred.

825
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Speaker 2: But I can be really clear.

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Speaker 5: We are working through a submission to the Commonwealth government

827
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Speaker 5: moment and.

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Speaker 2: That's where those figures are coming from. Around remote.

829
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Speaker 5: So we've got remote stations that are left over from

830
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Speaker 5: the intervention, and those leftovers are not good enough. They

831
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 5: are like they're shipping containers and we know they've got

832
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 5: to be replaced, So the figures being quoted are around

833
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 5: making sure they're replaced and we can get a bigger

834
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Speaker 5: footprint in remote.

835
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Speaker 1: And so for our remote areas, that's where we're looking

836
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Speaker 1: at three and we've got a plan for that three

837
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Speaker 1: and infrastructure for that.

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Speaker 5: I've never seen the figure three hundred, so I've asked

839
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 5: a number of times about where that page.

840
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Speaker 2: That and he's gave them.

841
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 5: To the Colonial But those figures around five hundred million,

842
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 5: that's around what we're asking the federal government to come

843
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 5: in over a number of years.

844
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Speaker 2: Around staffing.

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Speaker 5: We are instituting electronic rostering hopefully that will be in

846
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Speaker 5: sort of mid mid to mid later this year, not

847
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 5: end of the year, and once that comes in, that

848
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 5: will give us a really good data set around where

849
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 5: perhaps the holes are in rostering and what numbers we

850
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Speaker 5: might need.

851
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Speaker 2: And we have committed through the NTPA.

852
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 5: And we've worked this through with them that once we

853
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 5: do get that data, we'll have an independent look at

854
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 5: the staffing of numbers for.

855
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 4: Problems will be an independent look at it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you can't do this internally.

857
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 4: Because it needs to do it independent. That was something

858
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Speaker 4: that I had asked.

859
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 5: No, No, I'm giving I'm telling you right now that

860
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 5: I've said this publicly earlier this week. It will be

861
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Speaker 5: an independent review of staffing numbers.

862
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: So when do you anticipate that, I need to.

863
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 5: String to come in and I need the data out

864
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Speaker 5: of the rostering. So by the end of this year

865
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Speaker 5: we should start to see some rostering, that roster data

866
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 5: coming through and then we'll do it from there and

867
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Speaker 5: Kate and We've made that commitment as part of the

868
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Speaker 5: process working with the NTPA this year through the EBA.

869
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Speaker 5: So I'm really happy that we've landed and they're very

870
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Speaker 5: supportive of that position.

871
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Speaker 1: And I have spoken about that before. I have seen

872
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Speaker 1: some of the paperwork that had indicated that that would

873
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: be the case. Will you commit, though, to that happening

874
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: before the next general election?

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Speaker 6: Yes, excellent, because Katie's that it's comforting to hear that

876
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 6: it's a independent review, which I take to be independent

877
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 6: of the police force, because if you have act, if

878
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 6: you have the police hierarchy reviewing it, you'll get a

879
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 6: predetermined outcome.

880
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: We are committed to it. I said it here. So

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Speaker 2: obviously there was a letter that.

882
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Speaker 5: Came out from the NTPA. I think was taken a

883
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Speaker 5: little out of context.

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Speaker 1: That sort of indicated that I was the only one

885
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Speaker 1: who had it, Kate, So is that me taking it

886
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Speaker 1: out of contact?

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Speaker 2: I think you were taking it out of context.

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Speaker 5: So the agreement has been and there has been correspondence

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Speaker 5: around it as well.

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Speaker 2: It's formal.

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Speaker 5: Paul's very happy, Paul mceue, NTPA. We've made that commitment.

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Speaker 5: And when I did hear that happening, I rang him

893
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Speaker 5: up and said, hey, that's not quite right.

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Speaker 1: Well I'm never going to reveal my sources, but it

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Speaker 1: wasn't from them.

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Speaker 2: No, But he's very happy now and we've definitely agreed

897
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Speaker 2: on it. What kind of person's going to do this

898
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Speaker 2: independent review? Well?

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Speaker 5: Can I get to the electronic roostering and get the

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Speaker 5: data first? And what we'll do is we'll to be

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Speaker 5: thinking of someone to do the review already. You just

902
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Speaker 5: don't get to there, get to the end of roster. Oh,

903
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Speaker 5: by the way, we're now we don't.

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Speaker 2: Set that up.

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Speaker 1: No, will it be made public the staffing the independent review?

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Speaker 2: I can't commit to that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, don't know what this stage the stage

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Speaker 4: step by.

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Speaker 5: Step right now we have committed to it. That's where

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Speaker 5: we're at. I need the electronic rostering to be in

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Speaker 5: place so we've got good data.

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Speaker 1: Was that a sticking point though when it came to

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Speaker 1: the EBA. No, so it wasn't that.

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Speaker 5: It's a very long line of things that we've been

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Speaker 5: working through very slowly and methodically with the NTPA that

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Speaker 5: we've landed on.

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Speaker 2: They are supportive of the offer that will be going out.

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Speaker 1: Do you think though, that it is going to help

919
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: to get police officers rank and file over the line

920
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: when it comes to the vote on the e BA,

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Speaker 1: knowing that the Northern Territory government are going to commit

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Speaker 1: to that independent doesn't that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't form part of the e BAY.

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Speaker 5: It's in an exchange of it's a communication that I've

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Speaker 5: made formally to the NTPA that that will be happening.

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Speaker 2: And they're very happy with that.

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Speaker 3: Step forward, four or five.

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Speaker 7: Select committees to look into police, police resourcing, police.

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Speaker 5: Management and police do not parliamentary what's going on to

930
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Speaker 5: try and get some of the root cause of what's

931
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Speaker 5: wrong in the police force.

932
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Speaker 7: And every time it's been knocked down and only again

933
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Speaker 7: knockdown this week and now we're going to see a

934
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Speaker 7: review on rostering and some other bits.

935
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Speaker 3: I'd like to go a little bit too little.

936
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Speaker 6: Too late telling police what to do if an independent

937
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Speaker 6: reviews conductor. That means they're going to contract someone to

938
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Speaker 6: undertake this independent room, empty based or elsewhere. I think

939
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Speaker 6: also it should be made known what the cost will be. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: for this Christmas or business person or academic, you know

941
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Speaker 6: what's it actually going.

942
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Speaker 2: To thank you for your advice in front of everything

943
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: that that's what people want to know.

944
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Speaker 1: It's obviously looking into staffing, is it looking into is

945
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Speaker 1: the reason for that?

946
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Speaker 5: Though?

947
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 4: That you know that there is.

948
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Speaker 2: Some sense looking into the toxic culture and look, I'll

949
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Speaker 2: get to talk about that already, but I will.

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Speaker 1: I just want to ask is there a like, is

951
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: there a sense right now because there is from the

952
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Speaker 1: community that we don't have enough police and that then

953
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: we saw in that survey that some of those results

954
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Speaker 1: were that the police felt as though there wasn't enough

955
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Speaker 1: of them to do what's being asked of.

956
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 5: The coming to you, can I say that you can

957
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 5: see and it will be clearly evidenced in the statistics

958
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Speaker 5: that will come out in a month's time that the

959
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 5: work that we've done around alcohol in our springs will show.

960
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Speaker 2: It was very very clear to me that domestic violence took.

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Speaker 5: Police off off the If you go out to a

962
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Speaker 5: job for DV can tie you up for four to

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00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 5: six hours, right so, and I think the police commissioner said,

964
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Speaker 5: you're never going to have enough when that occurs. We've

965
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Speaker 5: seen a huge spike in numbers of reporting and that's

966
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Speaker 5: because people are reporting.

967
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Speaker 2: There's been a really big.

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Speaker 5: Role out of mobile phones now that has contributed to

969
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Speaker 5: that recording that that.

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Speaker 2: Jump in numbers.

971
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Speaker 5: But we know that that if you have take two

972
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Speaker 5: people out, let's say, to work on a DV matter

973
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Speaker 5: for four to six hours, that is going to have

974
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Speaker 5: a significant impact. By taking the alcohol away. In Alice Springs,

975
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Speaker 5: that has reduce the number of DV incidents that have

976
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Speaker 5: been reported and police have been freed up. We're hearing

977
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Speaker 5: that and we're seeing it already and that makes them

978
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Speaker 5: more able to respond to those other jobs. So additional

979
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Speaker 5: numbers by itself doesn't necessarily get you the outcome. You

980
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Speaker 5: have to look at why are police off the road

981
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Speaker 5: for so long with those.

982
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Speaker 2: Matters and can we change that? And yes we can.

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Speaker 1: One very quick question because we are going to have

984
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Speaker 1: to go to break the police that are on sick leave.

985
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Speaker 4: Is that something that's that's playing a part here as well.

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Speaker 2: We are working on that hard.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that's fine thing to say you've got record police,

988
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Speaker 7: but it comes down the very very salient family on

989
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Speaker 7: the how many are available to roster? And I used

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Speaker 7: to roster over two hundred and forty staff. I know

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Speaker 7: exactly how rostering systems work. It's one thing to say

992
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Speaker 7: I've got this many staff, how many available to come?

993
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Speaker 5: So we need to make sure that the police force

994
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Speaker 5: want to come to work and that they're fit and able.

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Speaker 5: I'm very acutely aware of that and it's something that

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Speaker 5: we are working on.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. That is it for

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Speaker 1: us this morning. It's been a busy morning. Kate Warden,

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Speaker 1: the Minister for Police, Territory, Families and various other portfolios.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for your time this morning. Thank you, and

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Speaker 4: Keisei Epiric, the Independent member for going to Haiti.

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Speaker 1: Thank you as always, pleasure, Bill Yan, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for.

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Speaker 3: Your time always a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful to have you all in this very much.

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Speaker 3: Come up here for a little bit of humidity, No,

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Speaker 3: we know you come for the fishing.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate, appreciate all your time this morning, and are good too,