1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Get a. I'm lo La Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: presenter and professional overshare us. This podcast is all about 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: celebrating failure because I believe it's a chance for us 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: to learn, grow and face our blind spots. Each week 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: I'll interview a different guest about their highs as well 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: as their lows, all in a bid to inspire us 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: to fearlessly fail. Hello, Welcome to the Potterrooni. Today we 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: have Bron Lewis. She is a comedian, a writer and 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: a mother. She is currently touring Australia right now, all 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: the way up till May twelfth, so check out the 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: show notes after this, I'll have a link so you 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: can grab tickets depending on where you live. Also, just 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: strap yourself in. This is a really awesome chat with 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: Bron Lewis. She changed careers in her early thirties from 15 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: teach art to median, so it's very inspiring no matter 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: what your dreams or goals are, Bron just marches to 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: the beat of her own drum. And you're very very 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: very very lovely and it was an honored to have 19 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: you on the Podron. Thank you, Bron Lewis. Thanks for 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: jumping on the pod. 21 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, thanks for having me and thanks to 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: your beautiful manager. Oh yeah. So I was so blessed 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: that I found her. It was such. It was one 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: of those things like because I'm not a very woo 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: woo person, but it was when I was starting to 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: get signed, like my show went well, and so there 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: were some agencies who were like, hello, would you like to? 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: And then hello, would you like to? And I was like, oh, 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: I don't really know, but I'm I said to a 30 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: guy that I was working with at the project, I said, well, 31 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: who would you sign with? And I expected him to 32 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: just say one of the huge ones because everyone always 33 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: says this huge one yeah, and he didn't. He said 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: Jubilee Street. And I was like, I think you've made 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: that up. I've never heard of it, and he was like, 36 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: look it up. And then I looked up Jubilee Street 37 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: and it has the best of the best there. I 38 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: was like, holy moly, how have I never heard of 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: this woman? And so I was trying to make a 40 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: point to him. I was saying, if you want people 41 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: to come see your show, if you want people to 42 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: like consider, you actually have to reach Sometimes you have 43 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: to reach out first because they might not know you exist. 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: You're waiting for them to acknowledge you. You might be 45 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: waiting forever. So if you just wave at them, the 46 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: worst I can say is no thanks, and then you 47 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: just get on with your life, you know. And so 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: I said to him, well why do you email? And 49 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: he's like, doesn't work like that, and I was like, 50 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 2: well maybe it does, and so I said, I'll show you. 51 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: And so I was sitting across from him and I 52 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: was just emailing back. I was like, maynaiz bru and 53 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: I was and she replied and was like, oh, let's 54 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: have a chat. Holy moly. And then I spoke to 55 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: on the phone. And I did not think that she 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: would sign me. I just was interested to see hear 57 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: what she thought. She's a real straight shooter, and she 58 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: was saying, you know, like, don't go with these people. 59 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: If you are going to go between these people and 60 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: these people, go with these people, well, but you know 61 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: this is the stuff, this is what you should be doing. 62 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: And I did not think it was like a conversation 63 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 2: that was like for her to sign me. I thought 64 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: it was a conversation just a guy. Yeah, And so 65 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: I was like laying it all on the table I'm like, 66 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: I'm thirty sixty seven. Now, I thank you, but I 67 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: I'm thirty six years old. I don't want to waste 68 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: five years being with the wrong people, Like, I don't 69 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: want to get to a point where I'm like, oh, 70 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: I finally I signed with that person. So I was like, 71 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: so I just was super honest with her, and then 72 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: she was like, oh, great, well let's just have another 73 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: conversation and see if you want to be signed by me, 74 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: kind of like along that way, and I was I 75 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh. And every single person I've 76 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: ever spoken to, and in the comedy industry, everyone has 77 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: something nasty to say about someone, Yeah, for whatever reason. Yeah, 78 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: everyone feels very personally about a lot of things. And 79 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: so there's a lot of great people, but there's a 80 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: lot of very cranky people. And no one has ever 81 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: said a bad word about Backing ever. 82 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: And oh wow, testament to her just a good human being. 83 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: She just just just it's very direct, knows what she's doing, 84 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 2: excellent at a job. 85 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: Ah yeah, I love it. Yeah, I feel very lucky 86 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: to have her as a mate. And she straight away 87 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: was like, Bron wants to do the pod And I 88 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: was like, let's make it, let's happen. And you know 89 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: when I sent the guest list for today because you 90 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: were going to be on last time I recorded, and 91 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: they were like, what a funny lineup, What a great 92 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: line up you got brom there, it's. 93 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: Going to be a bag a lot. 94 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: And I think I had nas or something like that, 95 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: like this lineup is like comite and I had. 96 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: Alay beautiful. 97 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: I was really nervous for right for him or no 98 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: for me interviewing him, be because he's well, no, because 99 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: his humor is quite dry as well, and so I 100 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: was like, oh, what if there's like an awkward pause 101 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: or silence or something. He was made. The trick to 102 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: ray is bring him diet coke loves I had a 103 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: diet coke waiting. 104 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: For it is amazing. The way that you describe makes 105 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: him sound like the person version of e yor you 106 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: just have a biscuit for him and he'll come to 107 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: the table. 108 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: Here is not a bad analogy. 109 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: I know. 110 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: Okay, I got to talk about you. Oh my gosh, okay, 111 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: beautiful comedian sitting in front of me. 112 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: Should we acknowledge my eye loller? 113 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: Yeah it doesn't look I know it must feel like 114 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: it's on fire right now. Yeah, but it looks. 115 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: You look great. That is the nicest thing anyone's ever 116 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: said to me, that. 117 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: This was Ari's work. You're young, yes, two year old. 118 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 2: This morning, I would just set him on that and 119 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: I sat him on the stool in front of me. 120 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: This is about ten minutes before I had to leave. 121 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: Set him on the stool in front of me, and 122 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: I did a little dance and sang a song and 123 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: I thought he would like give me a round of applause, 124 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: and he whacked me so hard in the face, and 125 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: I think his little nail has scratched my actual eyeball 126 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: because it's excruciating. But I feel great to be here. 127 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: I just feel sad if you're like, we could use 128 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: some foot we can't. Can't use footage. 129 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: Gorgeous. You've got nothing to worry about, little Lari though. 130 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,239 Speaker 1: This is the thing I love about soaking up your content. 131 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: You your kids are a big part of your story. 132 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: And I have one of my favorites bits is where 133 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: you're like, I've left it, eight year old at home, 134 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: I've left and you go through the three kids, You're like, 135 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: not mine? 136 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: What none of them in mine? 137 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: And the next bit is like, oh, three kids, water slut. 138 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, people love that word. It's such who like 139 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: that used that. That was in my first show and 140 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: the second show I just referred to my said my 141 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: sister's got four kids water slut. And then the raw 142 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: of people people just people don't expect that word to 143 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: come out of a mother, I think. And it's obviously 144 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: I'm joking. Yeah, you know obviously why I don't know 145 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: for kids. So it's so it is, it's one of 146 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: the funnest words to just drop and run, you know 147 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 2: what it's like, then carry on, and people like I 148 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: think we're I think we've come along and way in 149 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: feminism to be like to not see that words like 150 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: that's the biggest insult. 151 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah you can call someone Yeah, yeah, totally, I hope. 152 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: So anyway, I said, when I was researching you, I 153 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: wrote to Beck and I was like, I love the 154 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: way you use that like awkward silence. So you'll say 155 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: something and then you just like sit in there, uncome. 156 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: And I imagine when you're on stage and that is 157 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: your gig and your bit, you've got to sit in 158 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: that like window of time and then and then like 159 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: break the silence as well, and knowing when to do 160 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: that I imagine as a bit of an art form, 161 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: and you just nail it. 162 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: Ah, thank you. Yeah, that's one of my favorite bits 163 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: is is working with we're out with the rhythm, and 164 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: also the pause of just letting them try and guess 165 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: what we're what I'm going to do next. It's so 166 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: much fun and it's really it's ironic because I'm a 167 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: real rusher as a person. I will rush everything. I 168 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: rush The dance I did this morning probably why I 169 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: got hit it is so I rush and I rush everything, 170 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: and so when it comes to comedy, you actually can't 171 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: rush a lot of it because people need to know, 172 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, you need to look like you're in control, 173 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: and when you're rushing, no one looks that in control 174 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: and they're rushing. 175 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: And I think also like the audience is like with comedy, 176 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: I feel like we're with you, but because we don't 177 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: know what's about to happen, you're kind of like taking 178 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: us along for the story, and so if that goes 179 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: too quick, we're not going to stay up with the store. 180 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: Like yes, so you need you're kind of like looking 181 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: after us. 182 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: And when we're in the. 183 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: Audience, so so fascinating. I've got to ask. So you're 184 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: a high school teacher, right, and then at thirty two 185 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: you're like, if this you can swear as much as 186 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,479 Speaker 1: you want, by the way, I'm going to stand up comedy. 187 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: Can you talk me through absolutely some of that? 188 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely. So, yeah, I was a high school teacher for yeah, 189 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: which was about ten years, and that starts to get 190 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: old after a while. And it's not I know that is. 191 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's ever said that before. Pretty groundbreaking stuff. 192 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: It's it's really it's really hard that students are. Students 193 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: are way less hard to deal with them. Teachers Okay, 194 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 2: like teachers are. They work very hard, but a lot 195 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: of them, a lot of them are very crank, like 196 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: very miserable people. So if you go into starroom, yeah, 197 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: because it's hard and like you have this narrativen though, 198 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: I think they get paid pretty well these days. It's 199 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: they are constantly told by everyone, oh the pay scramp. 200 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: You guys work really hard. You even bring it up 201 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: at like a restaurant, you know, someone someone you don't 202 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: know very well at the table will be like, oh, 203 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: what do you do again? Your old teacher like, oh god, 204 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: never do that. You're like cool, I do, yeah, thanks, 205 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: thank you. What's your job? Your motherfucker? 206 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: You know. 207 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: But it's amazing. So you just have all of these 208 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: ways of the world kind of either feeling sorry for 209 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: you and like kind of masking that pity with praise, like, wow, 210 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: I could never. I would never. I died doing that. 211 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, cool. 212 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: And then and then so the starfroom was full of 213 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: quite miserable people, and a lot of them don't like 214 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: kids because they have just get sworn at a lot 215 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: by kids and then disrespected, and so that kind of 216 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: wears them down. And so they're all just humans and 217 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: they have So after a while, I was like, I 218 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: can't be in this area anymore. But at the same time, 219 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: it's a bit of a trap, because what else are 220 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: you going to do. If you're done something for ten 221 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: years and you've got like super and long service leave 222 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: and all of these things kind of waiting for you, You're like, well, 223 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: just stay in it till I die then, and so 224 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: that's another reason and miserable. But I knew that there 225 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: was something missing. I knew that there had to be 226 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: something more. So a friend of mine at school. She 227 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: was trying for a baby and she'd gone and seen 228 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: a medium. 229 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, just had a medium on the podcast that morning. 230 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so. 231 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: Finn way more interesting than this. I'm so are you kidding? 232 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: A comedian and a media should have got you on together. 233 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: Oh my god. I would just been silent, just wiping 234 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 2: my eye in the corner. Just ignore that old ex teacher. 235 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: Can I say, was it hard teaching time because it 236 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: was year sevens and eight? 237 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: No? I well, I taught mostly year elevens and year 238 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: twelves by the end, and they are a little bit 239 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: more I guess adulty. Yeah, and a little bit more 240 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: intellectually stimulating. But you have to because I just taught English. 241 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 2: You just teach the same books every year, so you'll 242 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: be like, all right, guys, to kill a Mockingbird, we're 243 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: back to cloud Street. Yeah. I love those books, but 244 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: they kill them like their kids will be like I 245 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: hate this book, or they'll or they won't read it, 246 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: and then they'll write an essay on it and you'll 247 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 2: just want to glass yourself. You're like, just don't bother, 248 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: just write nothing. Yeah, and I'd prefer to read that, 249 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, sorry, but anyway. Anyway, So so I 250 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: went saw a medium, and I went with a little 251 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 2: bit of doubt because I'd never seen one before, but 252 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: I was also so hopeful that she would have the answer. 253 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: So I get there and we sit down and she says, 254 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: you scot, sorry, we've just got something in your throat. 255 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: I was like, pattern, no, I don't, and she said, yeah, yeah, 256 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: you've just got and she just she kept coughing. I 257 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: was like, well, it's you mate, like we're not the 258 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: same person. And so instantly this doubt that I had 259 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: just amplified. Yeah. I was like, it isn't. I've got 260 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: nothing in my throat. And so she keeps goes, sorry, okay, cool, 261 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: and she keeps talking. Then she said sorry, are you 262 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: a singer? I was like, nah, idiot, you idiot, idiot, 263 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 2: wasted my money. So I'm just going over with my nose. 264 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. 265 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't be it's very easy to edit. 266 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: So don't even sweat. Don't even sweat. 267 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: So you've got something in your throat? I said, I 268 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: don't have anything in my throat. I'm so do we 269 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 2: And I started to get frustrated with her because it 270 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: was a waste of my time and her time, and 271 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: she said, well, are you You must be a performer 272 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 2: because you've got something stuck in your throat that needs 273 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: to come out. And I was like, oh, she's just 274 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: thinking about me being a teacher. I was like, oh, 275 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: I'm teacher. She was like, it's not it, but okay. 276 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: And then we went along with the session and she 277 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: just kept referring to her throat and she was like, 278 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: there's just something wrong with your shark, your throat, shark 279 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: righth She just kept saying that, and so I drove 280 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: home afterwards just thinking I just wasted one hundred and 281 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: fifty dollars or something. I'm not a singer. She just 282 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: talked about me being a teacher. How dull. And then 283 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: the penny dropped just before I got home, and I 284 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: was like, I think I want to try. I think 285 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: I just want to try a stand. 286 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: Up which is can I say? That's quite the choice. 287 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: It's a bold. 288 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: I've done improv classes in our a mate and I 289 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: was like, oh, could not pay me. You could not 290 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: pay me to do see any more of that and 291 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: stand up because they were all kids wanting to go 292 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: into stand up and I was like, this is like constant, 293 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: the constant feeling of free falling and failure to me, 294 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: to me. 295 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I know. So I went into because I love story. 296 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 2: I love stories so much. Started with this storytelling competition 297 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 2: called the Moth. So I did that a few times 298 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 2: and I loved it, and I loved again, when you 299 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: tell a story, you need to have these pauses and 300 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 2: you need like you know, and I had some funny 301 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: stories in there, but I also had some serious stories 302 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 2: and I loved playing with those. And then the host 303 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: of the show was cal Wilson, and she said to me, 304 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: I think you should try a stand up and I 305 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, that is incredible. A mom 306 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: from the school my daughter was in prep and mom 307 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: that I'd met at the school gate was Claire Hooper 308 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: and I and she said to me, oh, let me know. 309 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: I helped it with a joke once and she said, oh, 310 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: just let me know when you want to start your 311 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: stand up comedy career. And I went she just texted 312 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: that to me, and I was walking down my hallway 313 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: and it like winded me. I like actually buckled and 314 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: went into a ball and I was like, oh my god, 315 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: I think that is what I want to do, and 316 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: so she I went to a She was like, let's 317 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: just work out what you like, what some jokes could be, 318 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: and we worked out a really quick set and I 319 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: went it was all about teaching, and I went to 320 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: this open mic comedy night and I went with her. 321 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: So it was this like pretty seedy comedy room. But 322 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: because I walked in with Claire Hooper, all the people 323 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: who were like working on the door were like, oh 324 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: my god, oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god, and. 325 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: Then credits straight awup. 326 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I had invited anyone I'd ever met, 327 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: and I so and Claire Hooper, she's so sweet. She 328 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: was like, you don't, maybe just don't invite everyone just 329 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: in case, yeah it's really bad. 330 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 331 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: I was like, how could it be? This is there's 332 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: something in my throat remember Anyway, Anyway, thankfully it went 333 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: really well. But one of the reasons why I went 334 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: really well is because like my brother who was there, 335 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: has a very nervous, very loud laugh, and so he 336 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: kind of carried the audience, so he laughed at it loud, 337 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: so everyone was laughing. It was funny. An audience is 338 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: he kind of decided as a group or someone decigns 339 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: for you and the whole the whole thing just just 340 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: follows the collect Yeah. Yeah, it's like, okay, it's this 341 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: person's good. And so I had a really great first 342 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: set and at the end of the set, I was like, oh, yeah, 343 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: this is it, Like this is There's nothing that's gonna 344 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: beat this. It can't there's nothing. And I was like, 345 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: it's and also it's easy. I just crushed and then 346 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: I went and then I went the next night by 347 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: myself to a gig, thinking this is also like what 348 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: could go wrong. I did the exact same set and 349 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: didn't get much. I got a little bit of laughter, 350 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: but it was a really pretty ordinary room. And then 351 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: only six gigs. I had some ordinary ones. On my 352 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: six gig, I bombed so hard in front of three 353 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: hundred people, including a colleague from work. He'd come along 354 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: with his wife. They'd organized a babysitter. He was like, 355 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: I'm interested, I'm fascinated doing stand up. I'll come along 356 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: and I was like yeah, I like great. So if 357 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: I could go back in time and just say do not, 358 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: do not come to this, I were but I did it, 359 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: and so I got up thinking it would just be 360 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: easy because it was three hundred people, and I did 361 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 2: a brand new set because I also thought that you 362 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: turn on material way quicker than you actually do. You 363 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: sit on it like people do jokes for years. Yeah, 364 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: but I was like, oh, I've done those jokes twice, 365 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 2: so that's it there in the bin now. And then 366 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: I went I did a brand new set and it 367 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: just was a cricket like crickets for five very long minutes. 368 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: How long sets about that long start? 369 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: Five minutes? Yeah, five minutes or unless it was one 370 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: gig where in this in North Melbourne, where it's four 371 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: minutes and if you go a second over four minutes, 372 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 2: they turned the microphone off off and turn the music 373 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 2: on so you could be And this happened to me once. 374 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: On your last line, I said, I'll finish on this, 375 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: and I started the joke and then I went to 376 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: the punchline, and then he turned the mic off and 377 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: the music up. And then I did not know I 378 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: was capable of doing this. I thought that I would 379 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: just be quite grace gracious and just you know, sheepishly 380 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 2: kind of like smile and be like oh the daisy 381 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 2: and walk off. But instead I started yelling my punchline, 382 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: which is mortifying as I reflect on that, or courageous. 383 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: Oh my god, just the desperation in this woman to 384 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: tell the joke that's not even that good, that we're 385 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: not even listening to anymore. 386 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: Sit down, you know, four minutes feels very quick, though. 387 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: I think, but four minutes of someone dying is I 388 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: got it got very long? So that was that wasn't 389 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: That's a place in North Melbourne where anyone who signs 390 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: up for the night that gets on. And so it 391 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: goes for hours and hours, and now I think goes 392 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: from like seven till eleven thirty. I go the petty 393 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: So sorry, no, no, I'm so sorry. 394 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: Don't be, don't be, don't be, don't be. This is 395 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: do you know My boyfriend is the editor, so don't 396 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: even worry. It's me and Matt, so. 397 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: You don't give. 398 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're such a good speaker, you're such a good talker. 399 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: Just wipe under here because it's just got a bit 400 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: of miscar What do you mean. 401 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: Oh god, it's okay. I'll drive home, my head out 402 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: the window. Couldn't get eddies unsafer. Okay, Yeah, look that's okay, 403 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: that's okay. Every now and then it goes, oh, it's. 404 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: Fine, like right now, and just got that just in 405 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: case we use that. What if I ruin it, lot, 406 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: just go a pinch lower and it won't do it. 407 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: There you go, you got the spot. Yeah done, Now 408 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: you look gorgeous. Okay, I'll give you a leading question. Okay, actually, no, 409 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: go for me because I feel like the story. 410 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so yeah, so the four minutes of dying 411 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: on stage is a long it's a long time. Yeah. 412 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: And then and so this my sixth they have a 413 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: gig where I bombed in front of three hundred people, 414 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: including comedians. I was quite you know, I was quite 415 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: intimidated by and excited to meet and my colleagues. And 416 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 2: at the end of this dreadful, dreadful gig, because people 417 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: were looking at each other like as if they felt sorry. 418 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: You know when you watch someone, you know when you 419 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: watch a little kid on the stage and they've got 420 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: all the dance moves wrong and everyone else has got 421 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: it right, and everyone looks at that kid, and then 422 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: they look at each other and have this knowing look 423 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: of oh, she's given it a best shot. You know, 424 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: that's what they were doing. I was the girl fucking 425 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: up the dance now and I could see it with 426 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: my eyes watching like in real time, people feel sorry 427 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 2: for me. And I was like, oh, please, just can 428 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 2: someone just laugh at one joke? And they couldn't. And 429 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: then the end of it, I got off stage, and 430 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 2: then poor Claire Poop had to come up on when 431 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: she was the host to try and clean up the 432 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: mess that I had just made. And I went into 433 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: the back room and I was like, oh no, and 434 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: one comedian came out and she said, that wasn't a bomb. 435 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 2: Don't worry, like I've seen a bomb. That's not a bomb. 436 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I feel like that was 437 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: a bomb. And then another lady who was from New 438 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: York came in, another comedian, and she said, wow, huge bomb, mate, 439 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: but don't worry about it. It's okay. You just weren't 440 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: ready for this gig, which hurt me at the time, 441 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 2: like it really hurt my feelings. I was like, oh no, 442 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: I've done six that's my sixth gig, like I'm ready 443 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: for three hundred people, which is so dumb. And she 444 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: said and but like upon reflection, like she was absolutely right. 445 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: It was really good thing for her to say. But 446 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: it was a hard truth to hear. Yeah, and then yeah, 447 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 2: so I've that afterwards, Like I was like, I just 448 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 2: need to do another gig after that, when I was 449 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: driving home, was like, I just need to do another 450 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: gig really quickly to try and wash that one off. Yeah, 451 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: And honestly, I've never washed that one off, but I've 452 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: but like bombing, and that is the worst bottom I've 453 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: ever had, bomb I've ever experienced. But I am grateful 454 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: that I had it to understand just how bad totally 455 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: it could be. 456 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: I've interviewed a fair few, When I say fair few 457 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: standup plants, I reckon about over half a dozen stand 458 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: up opinions on this spot, and nearly every single one 459 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: talks about the importance of bombing. Yeah, like and it 460 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: being like such a brilliant lesson and a lesson in 461 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: like also be like an ego check so many different 462 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: things that come from bombing. Even though in the moment, 463 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: like the way you described now you look like such 464 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: a vibe, do I look? Yeah, this is a vine. 465 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 2: This God, That's all I wanted. 466 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: But I've heard I've heard a lot of people say, like, 467 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: bombing is such an important part of the process. Yeah, 468 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: here's my question for you though, like obviously stand up 469 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: being a stand up comic is fearful enough, Like you 470 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: do have to have that courage because you might bomb, 471 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: Like that is a scary feeling, you might fail, but 472 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: to then go. And this is where I'm also selfishly 473 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: asking this question for me. At thirty one, I decided 474 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: I was a wellness author of nutritionness. I was like, 475 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to drama school and I'm going 476 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: to train me an actor. Yeah, And so like there's 477 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: in you see people's faces when you tell them that 478 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: being in your early thirties, being like something, I'm changing 479 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: my career and they're like, what, You've got this great career, 480 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: You've got so much safety, you've got like you should 481 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: be really grateful for you achieve Now it's time to 482 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: settle down and have kiddo's all that kind of thing. 483 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: And I mean, you've done the bambino thing as well 484 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: as at all, But like was there a little moment 485 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: of like going from Okay, well I've been I've been 486 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: a really great teacher. I've been in that industry for 487 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: over a decade, you know what I mean, Like you've 488 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: got to have had some courage or some balls to 489 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: go fuck it. Here we go. I'm going to do 490 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: this thing that is making you feel like you're alive, 491 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. 492 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think with kids, a lot of 493 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: people look at like Ray O'Leary says to me, quite 494 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 2: almost every time I've seen me, says, I don't know 495 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: how you doing this, Like I don't know how you're 496 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: raising kids and doing comedy because because I just do 497 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: comedy and it's too much. I'm always exhausted. But I 498 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: think I don't know. I don't know if I would 499 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 2: have started comedy if I didn't have the kids, because 500 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: they they are like, Okay, it's really hard. I found, 501 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: especially in the early years, found it really really hard 502 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: to have kids. And then and then so nothing else 503 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: seemed as hard. I was like, oh no, no, no, 504 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 2: I've I've got I've hit rock bottom with someone needing me. Yeah, yeah, 505 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,959 Speaker 2: like I've faced some pretty scary things, so this is 506 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: like that's okay. I'll just go home and it's a 507 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: nice distraction. Like I would I would hate to bomb 508 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: on stage and then go home to silence. Yeah, like 509 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: I if I have a dreadful night, I'll go home 510 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,239 Speaker 2: and in the morning, I'll wake up and there's no 511 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 2: room or there's no there's no room for like, oh god, 512 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: that was bad. It's because it's someone going wearing my 513 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: shoes and are you like I don't know, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. 514 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: And I listened to an interview did where a psych 515 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: was there as well, and you talked about like how 516 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: hard all it was at the very beginning, and like 517 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: that would have been really confront because she was like 518 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: always crying, Yeah, angry. 519 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, she was really really really hard. And so when 520 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: you say when you're thirty one year go, I'm going 521 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 2: to be an actor and having to see I think 522 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: this is what we do as humans is we make 523 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: decisions and one of the first things that our brains 524 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: does is what are people going to say about that? 525 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: What are people going to do with that information? Yeah? Yeah, 526 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: So with comedy I had that, but even with so 527 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 2: like saying to people, I'm going I'm going to try 528 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: to stand up, because what you were essentially saying is 529 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 2: I think I'm going to be good at this. I 530 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: think I'm funny enough to be this, and as an actor, 531 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: I think I'm good enough to be like for people 532 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: to pay money to come and see me, or to 533 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 2: pay money to have me on their stage whatever. And 534 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: it takes a lot of guts to be in Australia 535 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 2: as well, like to be like I think I'm good 536 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: enough for this, whereas I don't think that's really in 537 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 2: our culture because you just look so up yourself. 538 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, tall poppy, Yeah, we hate it. 539 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: And so when I had my daughters similar to this. 540 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: When I had my first I it was really rush, 541 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: like I had only been with Lucas for six months. Yeah, 542 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: and then we decided, and then we had to deal 543 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: with people being like, oh, are you like you've only 544 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: just met each other. 545 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: Did you not have loads of family support either? 546 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: Correct? Yeah, so my family's in Cambra, he's in Brisbane, 547 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 2: and I was in my I was like twenty seven. Yeah, 548 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 2: so I had much better at saying I don't know 549 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 2: what I'm doing now. But then I was like, yes, 550 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: of course I know what I'm doing. I've made all 551 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: of these decisions and there are all been real thoughts 552 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: through and please just like give me some space and 553 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: I'll work it out. But I didn't know what I 554 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: was doing, and I was really scared, and I was 555 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: really tired, and I had i wasn't doing good job 556 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: of anything, but I but I didn't want to tell 557 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: anyone that I didn't know what I was doing. 558 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: You don't want to admit your stuffing up, Like. 559 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: Oh why I was like, I know what I'm I 560 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: went to school once. Yeah. 561 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: So the fact that that was like such a challenging experience. Yeah, 562 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: because the fact that was such a challenging experience, did 563 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: that then does that then make it easy for you 564 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, I'm doing this really scary thing 565 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: because you've been, like you said, you mentioned rock bottom 566 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: to have had that moment of like holy shit, like 567 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: I can't I don't know whether I'm turning left or right, 568 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: and I don't know if I'm a good mum. And 569 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure like they would be like all the time, 570 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: the doubt of all of that coming coming in. But 571 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 1: then I do I have to say, like, it is 572 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: so beautiful to watch your pieces and you talk I 573 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: love them when you do about Olive and you're like, yeah, 574 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: my daughter she already knows what she wants to be. 575 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh gosh, you have watched a lot of my 576 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 2: stuff that's so good. 577 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: And is it the professional bitch? 578 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, she wants to be a massive bitch. 579 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: So and so like I feel like the mum content 580 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: like it fits you, so beautiful. But when the reason 581 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: why I learned about you was I was in LA 582 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: and I was saying to Beck, Oh my god, our 583 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: beautiful mutual friend, I've got so much doubt, like I 584 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,479 Speaker 1: keep doing I did. I remember I got to La, 585 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: I'd signed with an agent and I was like, oh 586 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: made it. First audition comes in Kristen Bell type. I 587 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, I've got a bit of funny 588 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: chops in me. It's an ad for vagina deodorant, right, 589 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: And there was a line I had to barrel the 590 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: camera and say hey, I'm your fanny godmother, and then 591 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: and then I had to say this is a whole 592 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: body yodor and you had to have a fairy wand 593 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: and go safe to use on your pits. And you 594 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: have to point to your armpits, yes, feet, point to 595 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: your feet and privates and point to your vagina. And 596 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: I did all an American accent, and I was like, 597 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: this is too good not doing an Australian accent, because 598 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: obviously like our accent, saying like oh, I'm your fanny 599 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: godmother is just like too good. Didn't even get a callback, 600 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: nothing came from but I just remember I would call. 601 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: He can be like, oh my god, it's just failure 602 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: after failure, rejection after rejection. I'm like, and I'm afraid 603 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: that I'm aging out of the industry. At the same time, 604 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: and like you are going to love bron who became 605 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: a stand up comedian at thirty two, Like it's so 606 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: inspiring that. And I know you've said like because you 607 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: had that, like that toughness with like the mum stuff 608 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: and the bambinos and also having three I imagine as 609 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: like having a little like. 610 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 2: There's too many at times, too many. There's no doubt 611 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: about it. I've made a mistake. 612 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: My boyfriend, I often joke because his sisters he's Italian. Yes, 613 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 1: because this has got like three kids and we're like 614 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: too too many. 615 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Oh my god, I think it's yeah, it's 616 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: too there. It's all there are too many, especially now 617 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: that I'm sitting here with like a scratch dieball, I've 618 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: had too many children. 619 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: No, but do you still did you get was there 620 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: any moment, like apart from that sixth gig where you 621 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: felt like you bombed? 622 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: Yes? Oh no, I did bomb, there's no doubt about it. 623 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 1: But apart from that moment, is there any moment like 624 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: in that like building or stuff like now, like you know, 625 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: like like I said, as soon as I sent the 626 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: guest list in for recording, they're like, oh, Bron, we 627 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: love Bron. It's gonna be so funny. Da da da da. 628 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: But and obviously you're on have you been paying attention? 629 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: You've got a lot of success and you've won all 630 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But in that introim of kind 631 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: of like deciding to take the plunge after seeing the 632 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: medium and after like that that beautiful text that like 633 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: winded you along the way building where you're like, oh, fuck, 634 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: am I gonna make it? 635 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 2: It was It's a great question. I don't I reckon. 636 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 2: It's gone quite quickly for me and I I've just 637 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: I've never worked harder at anything than comedy. With teaching 638 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 2: was I was always looking for a shortcut, always a uni. 639 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: It was just like I'm always astounded when people take 640 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 2: longer than the time to finish teaching you. I'm like, 641 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: you don't even have to go to the classes. It's 642 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: just kind of like handing stuff. They're not going to 643 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: read it. They're teaching, they're not going to read. 644 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: It, you know. 645 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,719 Speaker 2: So it was like all of these ways that I 646 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: was like, Oh, and because I'm a rusher, I'm always 647 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: trying to find ways to do things more efficiently. But 648 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: with with comedy, I just was like, Oh, nothing's ever 649 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: kind of tickled my fancy this march. And I've not 650 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: tried to take a short cut. I've done extra gigs, 651 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: like I'll fit more gigs in a week than most 652 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: people to make to get to the end faster. But 653 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, I'm happy to do all the steps, 654 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: but just in a fast, in a speedier way, so 655 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: I will. When I started, I was doing as many 656 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: gigs as I could get, and they were hard to 657 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: get at the start. And then when I got moved 658 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: to Brisbane. I moved to Brisbane shortly after I started, 659 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: and I was pregnant again, and I just went into 660 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: a club and I said, oh, can I have a spot? 661 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 2: And because I was pregnant and I was from Melbourne 662 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: and I was in my thirties, they all they just 663 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 2: assumed that I was established. So they're like, oh, I've 664 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: never heard of her before, but obviously she's not new 665 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: a look at the age on her, and so I 666 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: just got good, good gigs pretty quickly. So it's kind 667 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: of skipped the open mic stuff I did. A lot 668 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: of the stuff I was doing was for free. Yeah, 669 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: but you have to do that in comedy. You just 670 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: work for free for ages until you don't. And so 671 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: but every gig I was learning something, even the crab gigs, 672 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, it's because you know, there could 673 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 2: be a room with four people in it and people 674 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: in the back corner playing pool, so you're like trying 675 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: to talk over their game and you're and the MIC's 676 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: kind of cutting out, and there's like something and the 677 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 2: lighting's bad or you know, you're busting or like there's 678 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: so many things that could but I think this is 679 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: the only thing that I've ever looked at with a 680 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: growth mindset rather than a fixed mindset, because everything else 681 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 2: in my life I'm like, just can someone just give 682 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: me the answer and I'll move on, Like I don't 683 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: really care about learning about it. But with comedy, it's 684 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: just been fascinating to me. It's this thing of like 685 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: you and when you said before, you don't know, you 686 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 2: don't know when it's going to be a bad gig, 687 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 2: like I will turn up to an excellent gig and 688 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: everyone's having a good one. But I always think before 689 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 2: I go on, this could be the worst gig of 690 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: my life. And that's like as like it's just as 691 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: a humbling thing because you don't want to go out 692 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: and you don't want to be complacent. Yah, Whereas I 693 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: think a lot of things in my life I have 694 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 2: been complacent, Like I've been like that's okay, that's like, 695 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: you know, peace will get degrees. That's a whole way. 696 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 2: It's been my life mentality until comedy. So I think 697 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: the trajection, my trajection has been quite quite fast for 698 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: me to go from the start to where I am. 699 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 2: And I've been really lucky. A lot of things have 700 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: worked in my favor, Like you know, have you been 701 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: paying attention? Because the producers, from having been paying attention 702 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: came to see my show. They didn't have to see 703 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: my show. There was only probably a bunch of shows 704 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 2: that they they would have seen a lot, but you know, 705 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 2: I was lucky enough for them to consider coming to mine. 706 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: And I don't know why they chose mine. I don't 707 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 2: know if someone told them to come and see mine, 708 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: but they came and saw mine and they said, oh, 709 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: we think he'd be great on the show. So if 710 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: they just these little moments that have worked in my favor, 711 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 2: I mean, they could have come and seen my show 712 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 2: and they could have said no thanks, that was dreadful. 713 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: So I understand that I've had to come to the 714 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 2: table for this success for me to be as successful 715 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 2: as I am so far. But there have been things 716 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 2: that have worked in that have worked that I've been 717 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: so lucky, so lucky that at work that way. 718 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: But it sounds like you've been doing the hard work 719 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: along the way completely. And there's an interviewed an incredible 720 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: actor last week and he said, he said, I go, 721 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: what's your advice And he said, not quite Hamlet, but 722 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: readiness at all. And he's like, so, if you can 723 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: handle this knockbacks for long enough and you're ready when 724 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: the chance comes. For example, your chance was those producers 725 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: sitting in the audience of your show, and you've done 726 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: all that hard work in the lead up, so by 727 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: the time that chance was there, you were so ready, 728 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: as ready as you could have possibly been in that moment. 729 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: And so yes, the luck of them and the chance 730 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: of them being there sure, but like because of you 731 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: being an open mics and you know what I mean, 732 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: doing those out, getting those hours under your belt and 733 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: like honing and refining and trying things on and seeing 734 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: how things you know what I mean. Like that's a 735 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: testament to you and your work ethic. And that's why 736 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: I think it's so fascinating to hear your story. I've 737 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: got to ask about your style because obviously you're a storyteller. 738 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 2: I feel like that's kind of love a story. Oh 739 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: I love it so much, so satisfying. It's so satisfying 740 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: to take one a jay. It's also like you can 741 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 2: get an hour so quickly if you're like, I'm just 742 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 2: gonna like, I'll have a bunch of jokes in there, 743 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: but I will also have I also have us a 744 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 2: big story at start, a big story at the end, 745 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 2: and then there's jokes throughout it. It's so satisfying to 746 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 2: take someone on an audience on a journey with that. 747 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 2: I love stories so much as an audience members, Well, 748 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh god, please, Like, you know, all my 749 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 2: favorite comedians tell stories. Yeah you know, I'm like, yes. 750 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like I love that. But the other 751 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: thing that I've noticed about you, is there's something quite 752 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: physical about you, Like as soon as you get on 753 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: you're like, Mike's too tall and pull it out. Like 754 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: you you're very comfortable, Like there's a lot of movement 755 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: to the way that you are on stage, Like some 756 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: comics are almost quite like we'll just stay in one spot. Yeah, 757 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: and it really suits what they do as well. 758 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 2: It would be weird if I moved around. 759 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're like, you'll move, you'll and you articulate 760 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: a lot of what you're saying with your body. Is 761 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: that a deliberate thing or is it just feel natural 762 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: for you? 763 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 2: It feels natural, but didn't It didn't own start like that, 764 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: because when you're on stage and everyone is looking at 765 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 2: you and you are nervous, the one thing you want 766 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 2: to do is you want to get smaller. And if 767 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 2: you it's kind of yeah, like when you're hide and seek, 768 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 2: if you stay perfectly still, maybe they won't see you. 769 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 2: And at the start, when I didn't realize how as 770 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 2: how nervous I was, I think it was I think 771 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 2: when I realized just how bad bombs felt, just how 772 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 2: much they wounded you, I think I didn't move on 773 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: stage very much after that for a short time, and 774 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 2: then I and then I realized after a while, I 775 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 2: took it took a while. I just realized that the 776 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 2: more I moved, the more comfortable I felt, which is 777 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 2: so strange to be, Like, if you move heaps, you 778 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 2: feel good, you know. I don't guess that's why people exercise. 779 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: But I was just moving a lot on stage, and 780 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 2: I get so caught up in it, and I love 781 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 2: acting things out, like I'm doing a lot of stuff 782 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 2: talking about how my mummy is at the moment, which 783 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 2: is super fun, and I just I can't do it 784 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 2: standing still anymore. I cannot do it standing still. And 785 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 2: if I feel like once I stand still, unless you know, 786 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 2: for a long period of time, my energy kind of 787 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 2: just starts to fall away. I'm just, you know, what, 788 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 2: is this just autopilot just saying the jokes and I 789 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 2: don't feel them and I can't. Yeah, but when I move, 790 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 2: I feel like I feel the whole thing, and it's 791 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 2: so much fun. 792 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: It seems like you've got acting chops too, because like 793 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: even when there was a bit you were re enacting 794 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: your partner's mum making soup for him, and she was 795 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: just like sitting opposite him, just watching with like glee enjoy, 796 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, and you're like, oh and then the tips 797 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: down there, like but your body position for that, like 798 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: I still remember. And I think as an audienceman, if 799 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: you're telling the story, it helps us visualize it better anyway. Yeah, 800 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: but I also, like I when I was in LA recently, 801 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: I was at the Hollywood Bowl, which is like humong 802 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 1: this audience to see Ricky Gervais. But he moves loads, yeah, 803 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: like he'll and levels as well. I know, as you 804 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: do that too, like sometimes we're staying up but then 805 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: we let lower down to play a small car like 806 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: it's almost like interplay of characters as well, and you 807 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: do it beautifully. 808 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, it is. I love acting. I'm like you. 809 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 2: I've done a few auditions, at least recently. Beck's got 810 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 2: me a couple auditions and oh she's so good. But 811 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 2: I've been doing them with an acting coach because again, 812 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 2: I don't want doing I just need someone to be like, hey, 813 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 2: this is how you do it, how you learn myself. 814 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 2: But I also don't want to be like wasting everyone's time. 815 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 2: Bag and like, yes I will, I'll paint my face 816 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 2: green for this role and I'll be like why, I'll 817 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 2: be like I don't know. So so I've had in 818 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 2: this acting coach and she's great, she's walking me through it, 819 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 2: but I've just gone this last one. I had to 820 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 2: just play like a news reporter, but a silly news 821 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 2: reporter or something like that, and so I just went 822 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 2: all in and it was I was in the middle 823 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 2: of the day on Zoom with a lovely lady and 824 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 2: I only met once, and I just went so extreme 825 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 2: with this character. And then at the like I was 826 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 2: throwing things and at the end I had to kind 827 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 2: of just sit down and be like how is was 828 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 2: that it? Or And it was like it's like if 829 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 2: I had any shame left in my body, I've been embarrassed, 830 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 2: you know. 831 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: But that's such a good thing for acting too, like 832 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,879 Speaker 1: that that ability also as well the ability to play 833 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: which would come from like kiddos as well, because like 834 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: if you're self conscious, there's. 835 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 2: No I think that's one. Yeah, I've got none of 836 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 2: that left, which is which is really really fun and 837 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 2: it's really liberating. And the other thing that's helped me 838 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 2: is to not get too bogged down and what other 839 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 2: people are thinking. I don't actually have time to be 840 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 2: at the gig long enough to hear what people are thinking, 841 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 2: you know, like the green room can be really lovely 842 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 2: in supportive, and most of the time it is, but 843 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 2: also it can be quite mean, you know, like someone 844 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 2: will go on stage and someone be like, oh my god, 845 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 2: last time I saw hershey bomb so badly whatever, But 846 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,479 Speaker 2: it only it doesn't happen often, and usually the people 847 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 2: who are the meanest aren't successful, like they're. 848 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: Just jality and bitter and yeah, yeah. 849 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I will so usually I will, unless I'm 850 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 2: am seeing. I'll go and I'll do my spot and 851 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 2: then I will leave. But I'm seeing as hard. Yeah, 852 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 2: oh it's a good fun. 853 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: Oh you like it? 854 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 2: Oh? 855 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: No, thanks? 856 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 2: No. 857 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: I used to do it for the food and wine shows. 858 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: I struggled, mate, No, I much preferred to come on 859 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: because people also eating in the Yeah, so much for 860 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: her to come on, do my cooking segment and then 861 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 1: get the f off. Mcs hold a lot and they're 862 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 1: the glue. Yeah no, yeah, not for me, not for me, 863 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: not for me, but you. But this is the thing, 864 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 1: I think, because you have this ability to storytell and 865 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: to like, I think a party, you really enjoys the 866 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: play and the adventure that is, like, let's see where 867 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: this takes me tonight. 868 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you just don't know. You have no idea 869 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,439 Speaker 2: what the gig's going to be like, you have no 870 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 2: idea until you've it on sex you can get on 871 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 2: stage and have like I had this night one of 872 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 2: the most dreadful. I don't know. I can't tell what 873 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 2: was most dreadful or one of the greatest gigs I've 874 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 2: ever done. I went it was my show in Melbourne 875 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 2: International Comedy Festival. I was in quite a little room. 876 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,720 Speaker 2: It was my first ever solo for the Melbourne show. Melbourne, 877 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 2: a big deal I'd done. It's about halfway through the 878 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 2: run and so my room was only a forty four 879 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 2: seater but it was lovely and it was a good venue. 880 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,240 Speaker 2: So I had like great lighting, and so I couldn't 881 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 2: see anyone, and I think people assume that the comedian 882 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 2: because you can see the comedian, they can see you, 883 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 2: and we can't. 884 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: I can't see, especially. 885 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 2: If the light is as bright as it was. My 886 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 2: tech was off her face, so my light was like 887 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 2: a real flood light. I was right, you know, maybe 888 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 2: that's what's wrong with my I am legally blind now, 889 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 2: but I had so the front that everyone came Everyone 890 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 2: came in and it was full, and I had the 891 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 2: front row was full of people and I could vaguely 892 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 2: see them, like kind of see them. Anyway. This one 893 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 2: guy had come in and he sat on the end. 894 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 2: I came out and thanks so much for coming to 895 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,959 Speaker 2: see my show. And as I'm like saying this, he 896 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 2: has this coughing fit, but he doesn't cover his mouth 897 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 2: or a sip, like he just lets this coughing fit 898 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,399 Speaker 2: out like he is committed and he's like, just deal 899 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 2: with it. And people are still like yeffy about COVID still, 900 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 2: and so people are kind of like trying to get 901 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 2: away from him. And I don't know whether I should 902 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 2: address it because he's just the poor blok's having cough 903 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 2: It's okay, So I'm trying to talk through it. But 904 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 2: because he's done, he's not covered his mouth or taken 905 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 2: a sip, I'm like, oh, this is going to be 906 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 2: an interesting audience member. And then he started I said 907 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 2: in my first joke, and then he laughed so loudly, 908 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 2: but it was such a fake laugh that it was 909 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 2: like he was reading it like. 910 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 1: Ha ha ha. 911 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 2: Why is he reading laughter to me? And then and 912 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 2: it went for ages as well, so I had to 913 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 2: kind of like try and move on from that. Yeah, 914 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 2: I was like, this is going to be really He's 915 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 2: going to be a really hard yes, and to have 916 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 2: an audience for an entire hour, and then he's so 917 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 2: he's doing that, and then people started laughing at his laugh, 918 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 2: which I could see that he loved that. He was 919 00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 2: starting to take the attention, and I was like, well, 920 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 2: this is going to be problem. And then he started 921 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 2: laughing at this. People got used to his laugh and 922 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 2: didn't know one was laughing at anymore. But then he 923 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 2: started laughing at the setups. So just halfway through a 924 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:15,800 Speaker 2: story he would start laughing and he's good, changed okay, 925 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,760 Speaker 2: And so I think he was just desperate for people 926 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 2: to come back to him, and so I couldn't see him, 927 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,399 Speaker 2: so I wasn't sure what his situation was. And then 928 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 2: I had this joke about scams. I'm saying, there's two 929 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,760 Speaker 2: reasons why people get scammed or don't ever report their scams. 930 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 2: As one as if the scam is so good that 931 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 2: us as Australians like, oh, well done, Yeah, that's really 932 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,839 Speaker 2: well done. He put an effort that that's your money, 933 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 2: well done. And the second reason is if we're the 934 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 2: scams so bad that we're embarrassed, like we've just we're 935 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 2: an idiot, we are officially the idiot here. And I said, 936 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 2: has anyone been scammed? And he was like yeah, And 937 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,479 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I shouldn't have asked a question. 938 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,439 Speaker 2: And I said, well, I know which category you landed in, 939 00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 2: and there was a little bit of laughter, but then 940 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 2: people so to get nervous, and he didn't laugh, and 941 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 2: so my brain went, oh my god, he's disabled, and 942 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 2: I've just called a disabled person an idiot. But I 943 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 2: can't see him. So I was like, oh my god. 944 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,280 Speaker 2: And so my brain just goes to the worst possible 945 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 2: situation where I'm like, he's in a wheelchair, he's got 946 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 2: tubes coming out of him. Everyone understands that he's intellectually disabled. 947 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 2: His care is there. Everyone has turned against me. So 948 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 2: I went for the next forty minutes of my show 949 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 2: with so much energy because I was like, if I 950 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 2: just do this loudly and hugely, then I will distract 951 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 2: them from that time that I said a mean thing 952 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 2: to the disabled man. So I just went so so 953 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 2: fast and so loud and so much energy, and it 954 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 2: went really really well, but I could not feel any 955 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 2: of the good stuff because I was like, I have 956 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 2: to can the lights go up sooner? And eventually when 957 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 2: the lights went up, I looked at him and he 958 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 2: was just a He was just a little irregular guy, 959 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 2: was just a few screws loose, and I was like, 960 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 2: oh my god. People coming up and saying that they 961 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 2: really enjoyed it. I was like it was dreadful. I 962 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 2: was dreadful, right, just was remember the And they were like, no, no, 963 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 2: we had a great had a great time. But I 964 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,359 Speaker 2: had spent that entire time in panic mode. Just all 965 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 2: all the lights for me were like flashing red, and 966 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 2: I was like, I have just I've been canceled tonight. 967 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 2: This is the night I get canceled. And so I 968 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 2: don't know, like I could never have predicted that that 969 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 2: man was going to be in there. Yeah, I could 970 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 2: never have and I could never this. But I learned 971 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 2: so much from that, which is like, don't don't say 972 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 2: anything to someone nasty if you can't see them, because 973 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 2: you actually don't and you don't you know, you can 974 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 2: like the Heckler's like a drunk one. Yeah I can. 975 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 2: Like they're easy, like so easy. But if someone is 976 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 2: like you know, if it was someone with a disability, 977 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 2: and you would make fun of them, like you will 978 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 2: never recover from that, and the audience will constantly remember 979 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 2: the time that you believed someone with a vulnerable person. Yeah, 980 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 2: so you like yeah, yeah, so you don't know. You 981 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 2: do not know what the show is going to be 982 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,400 Speaker 2: when you walk out, which is thrilling, but also like 983 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,840 Speaker 2: that bit where you go, oh, I've aged a bit tonight, 984 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 2: haven't I? Yeah great? 985 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: What about what have you learned as a writer on 986 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: the project? Oh? 987 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 2: Not a lot? 988 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, but like that would be using are you doing bits? 989 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 2: Yeah? So you just so what so we just as 990 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,840 Speaker 2: the writers. There will be like six writers on each shift, 991 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 2: and you they were like, you know, Sam Thawnton's going 992 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 2: to be talking about you know how you know, like 993 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 2: there's a study of magpies and the magpies are getting 994 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 2: meaner but they're actually really smart. And then we talk 995 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 2: about and then he just talks about Magpie season and 996 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,800 Speaker 2: so we have to have we each have to write 997 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 2: six one line of gags on the back of that 998 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 2: segment which is about magpies being mean and smart, and 999 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 2: so there's and you will have maybe five or six 1000 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,919 Speaker 2: stories each time, so you just write. You just wrote 1001 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 2: one liners all day and it's and it's good for 1002 00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,359 Speaker 2: that part of your brain. But also it's like it's 1003 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,359 Speaker 2: very rarely that there'll ever be jokes that I would 1004 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 2: use myself because I'm not writing for my voice. I'm 1005 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 2: writing for Sam's voice. Yeah, and we have very different styles. Yeah, 1006 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 2: so I guess it's like it's good and it's a 1007 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 2: regular shift and it's but I it's I don't think 1008 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,400 Speaker 2: anyone watches the project to laugh it well. 1009 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 1: Some I mean sometimes if a guest comes on and 1010 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: throw like that'd be hard because how do you write 1011 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: around a guest? You just have those ready to go. 1012 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 2: They're like, can you have three can you write three 1013 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 2: funny questions? Yes? Yeah, and then you just google, like 1014 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 2: go on to their Wikipedia page and you're like, oh, 1015 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,440 Speaker 2: you're still with your wife. That's crazy, you know, like 1016 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 2: just like you know things, it's just like just like 1017 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 2: this naff thing to throw in there, or something like oh, 1018 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry we're not in blackface tonight, you know, 1019 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 2: or just something that it's yeah that they'll probably won't 1020 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 2: even say anyway, So I don't it's a job. It's 1021 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 2: a job. It's a job. 1022 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,359 Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting, Like to the viewer, I 1023 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 1: think they literally think that the hosts are coming out 1024 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 1: with those gags. Of course I do, like so like 1025 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: like how I do you know? And like obviously because 1026 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,720 Speaker 1: like Rove kind of taught us that wasn't the case 1027 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 1: when you got to meet his team of writers and 1028 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: things like that. But still, like I think, like if 1029 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: I told my dad that that was scripted, he'd be like, what, No, 1030 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: that was totally. 1031 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, because why would you hire a comedian if you 1032 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,680 Speaker 2: don't trust them to write a joke? 1033 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:30,919 Speaker 1: Right? 1034 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 2: And they can like Sam and Sam does, yeah, use 1035 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,359 Speaker 2: his own ones, but I think he's encouraged to use 1036 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,760 Speaker 2: our ones as well. I think it's like to justify 1037 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 2: while we're there. 1038 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,279 Speaker 1: But also you're getting often there's auto Q, so that 1039 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: the story they might not know until like right before 1040 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 1: the show. 1041 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, Like it's hard. 1042 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: It's a moving beast, you know what I mean. And 1043 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: it's it's the way that it's aired on TV is 1044 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,359 Speaker 1: it feels very live. It feels very live. 1045 00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 2: Look, it's not I don't know how many people actually 1046 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 2: watch it, do you when I'm visiting dad here and 1047 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 2: watches it. Oh that's good, that's what you found out. 1048 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 2: One watch it. 1049 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:10,319 Speaker 1: Then it's it's interesting because it does use your brain 1050 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,360 Speaker 1: and your skill set just in a whole different modality. 1051 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 1: Like and you know it's it's like my boyfriend is 1052 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 1: a composer, but he edits a lot of podcasts as well, 1053 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,399 Speaker 1: So it's just using this skill set that he has 1054 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,760 Speaker 1: in a different modality. Sure, he'd want to be composing 1055 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: Hans Zimmer scores all day long, but like he's really 1056 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 1: great at editing and sound engineering as well. Like so 1057 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 1: it's to me, it's like under the Umbrella and it 1058 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 1: uses a skill set really interestingly. But also like the 1059 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: dream for you is like I can just see you 1060 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 1: like going gangbusters with all of this. Like I'm so 1061 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 1: excited to see what's next for you. I have to 1062 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,200 Speaker 1: I know you're touring early twenty twenty four. I think 1063 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,760 Speaker 1: your first kid is like Jen thirty first or something 1064 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 1: in Perth. Yeah, and you're doing all over Australia. So 1065 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,879 Speaker 1: I'll put the link to your shows in the show 1066 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 1: notes and I'm going to try and get to one. 1067 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: I'd love to see you in person to win your thing. 1068 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for me on the pod. 1069 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,320 Speaker 2: You are wonderful. Thanks mate. 1070 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 1071 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,160 Speaker 1: thank you to our guests and let's continue the conversation 1072 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This potty my word 1073 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,919 Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. 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