1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Sophie Guidelin's teenage son claims 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: his Snapchat was hacked after posts emerge of him. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 2: Talking about their estrangement. 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: M Davies gets engaged in Brooklyn's most instagram aable spot, 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: TikToker Katie O'Neill, soft Launch's relationship with Shamed AFL star 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: Wayne Kerry, and the deal the South Australian Government struck 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: up to get influences to attend Sam Smith's exclusive concert. 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: am Kate Torver and I'm in full honeymoon planning mode 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: at the moment. My wedding was a couple of months ago, 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: but we've decided to go in winter. So have you 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: actually decided on a spot yet or he's still investigating. 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: I was investigating and I did look at the Maldives 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: and realize how expensive it was, So I've decided to 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: live it up in Barley instead, and I'm really looking 17 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: forward to it. I want to book out a villa 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: in sam and Yak. I think I found a good one, 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: but I'm wondering how I go about getting all the 20 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: honeymoon freebies? Do I just drop that I'm on a 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: honey Like what do people do? 22 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 23 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: I remember when Dale and I went to Europe. We 24 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: were planning on telling everyone that we were on our honeymoon, 25 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 1: because you meant to be able to get like free 26 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: flight upgrade and better hotel rooms and all that sort 27 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: of stuff. 28 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if jet Star does better than A 29 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: Don't they have ecotomy plus, I don't know. I don't 30 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: think they do on some flights. 31 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: Okay, your old friend Madison Willie might be able to 32 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: help you out because on a recent podcast, she shared 33 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: her tips on getting an upgrade, despite having no luck 34 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: and not actually receiving an upgrade. So her number one 35 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: tip is to look presentable. She said, you have to 36 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: look the part and look like you belong there. I 37 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 1: think that's a pretty good tip because if you're rocking 38 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: up in trackie pants and an oversized jumper, I don't 39 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: think you're getting in. Yeah. 40 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: Maybe not. 41 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: She also explained not to be greedy, so don't go 42 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: straight up for first class, ask for business class. 43 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 44 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: Well, she actually talked listeners through the process, so she 45 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: said that when she gets her bag checked in, she 46 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: will ask if there's any business class seats available. 47 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: On the flight. 48 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: So once the flight attendant says yes and asks if 49 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: she'd like to purchase them, she then explains that she 50 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: has a very long journey ahead and is there a 51 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: chance of the keyword a complimentary upgrade? So the key 52 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: is not to say for free. I wonder if this 53 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: advice appeared in her coffee table book about advice that 54 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: she learned since she was twenty two. It's actually pretty 55 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: good advice. I was thinking, Wow, maybe I'll try that 56 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: next time. Well, she also used her old gold Quantus 57 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: card that expired back in twenty nineteen, so she tried 58 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: to sort of flash it around. Here's what she said. 59 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: I had an old Quantist because we flew home with 60 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: Quantis an old Quantus gold card, but it expired in 61 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: twenty nineteen before COVID because like I hadn't traveled, so 62 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: I had that out, but I had my thumb over 63 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: the expiry date. 64 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: Nice work, so they could. 65 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: I flashed the gold little. I was just a little, 66 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: so I'd. 67 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 3: Have it next to my wallet and be like talking 68 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:49,839 Speaker 3: with the gold card. 69 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: You've got your Instagram, like I can verify the top. 70 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 3: Like, I just like all my blue tick and the 71 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 3: gold expired card. I'm like, complimentary upgrade. 72 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: Gee, this is giving me ideas. 73 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: I actually had a gold Quantus card as well, from 74 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: when I was working back in Sport. It is about 75 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: five or sixties out of date. But maybe I'll bring 76 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: that along to my honeymoon. 77 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: But it didn't work for her. Yeah, I know, but 78 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: I mean you've got to try. 79 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: And funny they mentioned her verification because it's clearly a 80 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: running joke that she's had to pay for it. 81 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: But you can just tell as well. 82 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: I know the girls were joking, but you can just 83 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: tell that they do think they're pretty big deals. And 84 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: why aren't you letting me upgrade? 85 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: I have a Blue team. 86 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: I've actually heard that if you go up and you 87 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: ask for an upgrade and you actually pay for it, 88 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: it's a lot cheaper than if you buy it online. 89 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: So that's what a lot of people do. 90 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: This happened to us recently when we were in Sydney. 91 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: We were staying at the Hilton Hotel and we checked 92 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: in later because we were out for work anyway, the 93 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: guy's like just wondering, would you like an upgrade? 94 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: And I I were like, oh my god. 95 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: We were like yeah, and the name is like how 96 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: much because I thought I thought it's rude, just like 97 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: if I said yes and then it cost money because 98 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: normally if they were providing it as a complimentary thing, he. 99 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: Said, oh, it'd be an additional six hundred dollars. I'm like, no, mate, 100 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: we definitely don't want an upgrade. No, no, cancel it. 101 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: And also it was just sophinin like, it's not like 102 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: we're a couple. They're like, you could stay in the suite. 103 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: I suppose they've got to try, and just like we're 104 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: getting a free young grade, you've got to try. 105 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: If you don't ask, you won't receive it. Well, I 106 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: know the word. 107 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: Next time, instead of asking how much it is, we 108 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: say is this complimentary? 109 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: I'm Sophie Whittlin, The bod founder and rebel cam Bastard. 110 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: Sophie Whidland's fifteen year old son claims his Snapchat account 111 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: was hacked after post appeared to show him talking about 112 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: being as strange from his mother Kate what is going 113 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: on so? Over the weekend, a screenshot from a Snapchat 114 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: account claiming to be Kai emerged on tatle life and 115 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: then influencer updates au so Ky's account shared a Q 116 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: and a box saying border's fuck ask away, and someone 117 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: sent in a question asking why haven't you been staying 118 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: with your mum, and Ki seemingly replied saying, long story short, 119 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: she married a guy I hated. I had two options, 120 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: streets or rehab in Northern Territory. Kai then apparently said 121 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: he was homeless for one or two months and heading 122 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: down the wrong path. He finished by saying, chose to 123 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: move to Streaky for a fresh start. My mum and 124 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: I have reconnected and we are in a good place now. 125 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: For those who don't live in South Australia, Streaky is 126 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: likely referencing Streaky Bay, a coastal town in the Air 127 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: Peninsula where Sophie's. 128 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: Parents live now. 129 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: Kai took to his Instagram to rectify the situation, writing 130 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: on his story to everyone saying this is me. It's 131 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: my old account that got hacked on Snapchat. He went 132 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: on to say that the hackers were making up rumors 133 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: and that he's perfectly fine and was living with his grandparents. 134 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: He finished by saying, I'm sick of Instagram and trolls 135 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: taking stuff out of my mum. She has done nothing wrong. 136 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: What do you guys think about this hacking? Is it 137 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: all a bit too convenient? It kind of reminds me 138 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: of when Mason Dissick went on in a big was 139 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: it a TikTok rant about his family? And I don't know, like, 140 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: did Kai go and answer these questions and then regret 141 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: it and make up that he's been hacked. 142 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: Or did his mum find out? Yeah? I hang on, 143 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: You've got to rectify this. 144 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: Well, it seems weird because he confirms that, yes, he 145 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: is staying with his grandparents who live in Streaky Bay, 146 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: So it sounds like the hacker got the information quite correct. 147 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel bad accusing a fifteen year old 148 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: of lying whether he said these things and then he thought, shit, 149 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: I didn't mean for them to get out in the public. 150 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: And the best way of sort of taking it back 151 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: is by claiming his account got hacked. 152 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't blame him. 153 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: It's not so much saying that he's at saying that 154 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: maybe he was told to cover up what had come out. 155 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: The thing is, if you look at the way he 156 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: writes on Snapchat compared to his Instagram story, both were 157 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 1: written in a very similar manner. 158 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: Who does Q and a's on Snapchat? Are we too old? 159 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: I didn't know this was a thing. 160 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: Well, it's quite funny. Also, because Sophie has been using 161 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: Snapchat a lot, people have noticed that she's not really 162 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: posting as much on Instagram and is over on Snapchat. 163 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: So maybe the whole family are into Snapchat. Who knows now. 164 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: Last week, Sophie revealed on Instagram that Kai had spent 165 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: time living with her parents in South Australia while their 166 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: family was going through a hard time. And it's interesting 167 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: to note that Kai did not attend her wedding to 168 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: doctor Andrew, so there's obviously some in the rumor that 169 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: there is tension between the two. Yeah, there's definitely animosity there, 170 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: but thankfully they seem to be working through this now. 171 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: This news comes. 172 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: As Sophie was spotted by paparazzi walking close to her 173 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: home with CrossFit athlete James Newberry, and it appears the 174 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: pair has a shared love of fitness. So James is 175 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: a former professional rugby player who is a four time 176 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: CrossFit Games athlete and also a four times Australia's Fittest Man. 177 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: Now After their walk, Sophie and James got into it 178 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: suv and drove off together. Now, this is the first 179 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: time that Sophie has been spotted in public since her 180 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: split from husband, doctor Andrew Now. Just two weeks ago, 181 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: the dentist confirmed that they had broken up after four 182 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: months of marriage, and the announcement came two months after 183 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: the couple went through tragedy when their daughter Pixie was 184 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: still born. So do we think these are set up 185 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: paparazzi shots? I mean they were great photos of Sophie. 186 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: Also good to be seen walking the streets with some 187 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: hot fitness guy, particularly after you've had a marriage breakdown. 188 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: I don't think Sophie did set these up because the 189 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: Daily Mail have been writing so much about her, they're 190 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: clearly very interested in what she's doing. I disagree because, 191 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: as Sophie said, it's always a telltale sign. If someone 192 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: looks good in a paparazzi shot, generally they have set 193 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: it up. 194 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: But she's not that. 195 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: She's just wearing a fitness stuff in her hair pulled back, 196 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: it's not like she's glamored up. Yeah, but you've got 197 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: to think about it. These kind of photos would make 198 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: a lot of money, and it's not uncommon for people 199 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: in the public eye to set these sort of photos up. Yeah, 200 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: but if I was her, I wouldn't be setting up 201 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: pap shops. I would be like staying out of the 202 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: public eye, particularly with all these terrible stories circulating at 203 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: the moment. It also, on reflection, isn't actually a good 204 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: look for her to be seen with a new guy 205 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: because she does have quite the reputation of jumping from 206 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: romance to romance slot twist James Newberry set the photos 207 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: up or doctor Andrew. 208 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: Morning. Everyone, welcome back to my channel. I'm going to 209 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: do a weekly blog for you guys. 210 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: Perth, influencer and entrepreneur, has announced she's engaged. She broke 211 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: the news on Instagram, revealing that her new fiance had 212 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: popped the question at Brooklyn's most instagrammable spot. Now so 213 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: for the engagement was picture perfect? 214 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: It really was. 215 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: Em and her partner Joel Gambon have been holidaying in 216 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: the US and on Tuesday m Reville, where three hundred 217 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: and sixty thousand followers the Joel had got down on 218 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: one knee on the Fulton Ferry Landing, which overlooks the 219 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Bridge and the Manhattan Skyline. Now, the spot where 220 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: Joel proposed might look familiar to you because it's one 221 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: of the most instagrammable locations in the world. So a 222 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: lot of influencers travel to Brooklyn and go to these 223 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: spots to up their Instagram game. So Joel clearly gets 224 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: a lot of ticks from m for picking the right 225 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: spot for this proposal. Do we think that he picked 226 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: the spot out though I genuinely think this was a surprise, 227 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: particularly because of EM's reaction and also the reaction of 228 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: her friends. She might have suggested to go to the 229 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: spot just to get an Instagram anyway and not realized 230 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: he was going to get down on one day. Well, 231 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: she was wearing a really nice red silk dress and 232 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: Joel was wearing a black turtleneck with matching pants. 233 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 2: Side note, his get up was. 234 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: Very similar to mea Plastic's new fiance justin now because 235 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: he was wearing a turtleneck. And it's funny because I 236 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: saw this Instagram account called dutch Minti. They're a little 237 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: bit of like a celebs spell chep style page, and 238 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: they shared a Q and a about what gives you 239 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: the ick? And someone sent in that Joel's shoe. He 240 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: had a boot on, and when it went on to 241 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: bend Todney, his boot made this really annoying kind of 242 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: like an arch and you just cannot unsee it. From me, 243 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: I didn't notice it, but for me, turtleneck jumpers on men, 244 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: give me the ick straight away. This poor guy, he's 245 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: gotten down on one knee and everyone's like picking his shoes. 246 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: It's a great job, it's just just the get up. 247 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: Gave me the ick now. 248 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: M shared a series of stunning photos, including the moment 249 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: that Joel proposed, and I wondered if they had a 250 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: professional photographer there because the photos looked too good for 251 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: just some random passerby to snap them. Also, it's been 252 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: pointed out that that area is you usually extremely busy, 253 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: and suddenly there was literally no one in the background. 254 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if they've done. 255 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: A photoshop job or I've been to the Mona Lisa 256 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: and it was packed and I managed to make it 257 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: look like I was the only person in the room, 258 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: So maybe they did have a really good photographer. I 259 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: have seen an editing app where you can like magically 260 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: make people disappear in the background. It really hard to 261 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: do I would assume these photos have been run through 262 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: a lot of photo editing well. On Instagram, Em wrote, 263 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm speechless. I love you so much, Joel Gamban. Someone 264 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: pinched me what just happened now? Following the proposal, the 265 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: couple then went out to a very fancy dinner to celebrate, 266 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: and when Em returned to the room, their bed was 267 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: covered in rose petals and candles had been set up. 268 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: So I feel like this was a very textbook proposal. 269 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: It would have been such a stressful couple of days 270 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: for Joel because Em had her phone stolen whilst she 271 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: was in New York, and with most girls, if you're 272 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: getting proposed to, you want to make sure you have 273 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: your phone to capture all the moments and to be 274 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: able to let your friends and family know back home. 275 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: I also wonder was he really nervous carrying around the 276 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: ring whilst they were traveling. I think he did a 277 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: really good job with the ring well. Being a good 278 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: Instagram boyfriend, Joel did capture some behind the scenes of 279 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: the moments he picked out the ring, and he took 280 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: alonger female friend to the jewelers to help him select 281 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: the ring, and in the video he explained that he'd 282 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: selected an emerald cut ring for EM which had also 283 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,119 Speaker 1: an emerald birthstone in it, which is her mum's birthstone, 284 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: and this was a beautiful touch as sadly EM lost 285 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: her mother at a number of years ago. Oh, that's 286 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: actually really nice. It's funny because Mia Plasik, who got 287 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: engaged last week, she had an emerald cut diamond, but 288 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: she had three in a row, whereas this one, it 289 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: was like a lot classier, looked more classic as well, 290 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: like that's going to age. Well. What I really did 291 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: like about this proposal is that there hasn't been any 292 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: mention of who the jeweler actually is, so the jeweler 293 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: hasn't been tagged in any of the posts, which would 294 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: indicate that this isn't a sponsored situation. EM also shared 295 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: this really hilarious screenshot where it showed Joel asking this 296 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: female friend whether he had to propose with the wedding 297 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: ring or the engagement ring, and whether he needed to 298 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: have both rings there. And I just loved it because 299 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: it shows how clueless men are when it comes to weddings. 300 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: Day was the same. He thought that you. 301 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,359 Speaker 1: Put the engagement ring on the right hand instead. 302 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: Of the left. 303 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: Well, the friend also had to reiterate that the engagement 304 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: ring is the fancy one, it's not the plane band. 305 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: I think Day was confused about that. Two years ago. 306 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, can you imagine though, 307 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: someone rocking up with just a plain band and you'd 308 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: have to be You're like. 309 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: Oh, I've seen that. 310 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: I have seen that before. This poor girl posted a photo. 311 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: This is an acquaintance and she just had the plane 312 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: band and she said, oh, yeah, I love donuts, so 313 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: it's like that just a donut ring. Wow, you need 314 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: sprinkles on that donut ring. 315 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 316 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: I loved Lily Brown's reaction to this news because she 317 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: is close friends with EM and she shared this photo 318 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: of her doing a very ugly cry when she heard 319 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: the news on FaceTime, and she actually compared her reaction 320 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: to Kim Kardashian's. 321 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: Ugly cry and they were pretty much on par. 322 00:13:59,240 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: Well. 323 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: I loved luc Jackson's reaction to it. So she must 324 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: have received a message from M being like, quickly, get 325 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: on your phone, babe. 326 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: So Lucy answers the phone and she's like, are you okay, babe? 327 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: Fucking hell, and then EM reveals her hand to show 328 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: the ring and she was. 329 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, I was so worried. I thought 330 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: you were getting arrested. Maybe a reference to the Bali Brownians. Yeah, 331 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: what did you bring into the US that we don't 332 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: know about? 333 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: Well, the Blue Tick Brigade were of course out in 334 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: full force, congratulating Em. Sharni Grimman wrote, oh my god, 335 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: congratulations lovers. I'm crying. Tammy Hembro wrote so happy for you. 336 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't wait for the wedding. 337 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 3: Well. 338 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: Em also shared this full reel where it showed all 339 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: of her friend's reactions because obviously she's in the US 340 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: yet to FaceTime everyone. They were all bawling their eyes out, 341 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: and it made me feel like a terrible friend because 342 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: I think even if you two facetimed me on a 343 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: holiday and revealed that you're engaged, I don't think I 344 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: would cry like I think I'd be obviously thrilled. But 345 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: the way that they were balling their eyes out, I 346 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: was like, Fuck, am I a bad person? 347 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. 348 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: I think some people are very over the top with 349 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: their emotions and maybe they feel like they've got to 350 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: put it on because you know, if your friends and influencer. 351 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: They're probably filming it. 352 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: I did see recently on Sophie Jane Miller's video she 353 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: had went from blonde to brunette and she kept calling 354 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: all her influencer friends up and getting their reaction, and 355 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: I was like, geez, way to put people on a 356 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: lot of pressure with that, particularly if you don't like 357 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: the hair color change. Yeah. See, I think I would 358 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: have been more shocked by that seeing someone go from. 359 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: Bed to brunette. Actually, that's a big life change. 360 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: Generally, when people are of a certain age and they 361 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: go on an overseas trip, there is in your back 362 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: of your mind that they may get engaged. Well, I 363 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: think the reason that there was such a big reaction 364 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: is because it was quite unexpected. Em herself seemed really surprised. 365 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: So Joel and em Soft launched their relationship back in 366 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: October twenty twenty one, so it's expected that they've been 367 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: together for around two years, so it's not been a 368 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: really long relationship. 369 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: We just want to be normal people. 370 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: This attentionent is so hard. The ABC has obtained documents 371 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: which revealed details of the deal The South Australian Tourism 372 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: Commission struck with influences to get them to attend the 373 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: exclusive Sam Smith concert. Before we get into it, so 374 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: can you give us a quick refresher well. The South 375 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: Australian Tourism Commission, which is known as the SATC, now, 376 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: I do want to note that's not Sex and the City. 377 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: Last time there was a bit of confusion, so. 378 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: The SATC faced heavy backlash in January when they used 379 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: taxpayer funds to hold an invite only event with Sam Smith. 380 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: Their performance was Sam Smith's only Australian show and the 381 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: singer's first visit to South Australia since twenty fifteen. A 382 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: total of three hundred people attended the exclusive event, with 383 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: the Tourism Minister Zoe Betterson claiming one hundred and fifteen 384 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: were competition winners, while ninety were media personalities and social 385 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: media influencers, including forty from interstate or overseas. It is 386 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: unclear who the remaining one hundred and fifty five people were, 387 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: but it has been confirmed that twenty one of the 388 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: satc's staff were attendees of the twenty one twelve for 389 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: volunteers who acted as on the night and were not 390 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: paid for their time. Now, the whole point of Sam 391 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: Smith's exclusive South Australian performance was to attract national and 392 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: international exposure for the state through Sam's social channels and 393 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: those of the influencers invited. I feel like you've forgotten 394 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: to mention the most talked about point, the influencer pissing 395 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: in the mosh pit. 396 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: That was a disgraceful. 397 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: Moment for us, say it was, and I still want 398 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: to know who it was. 399 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 2: And we haven't got to the bottom of that one. 400 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: If anyone's got any intel now in talking about intel, 401 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: how did the ABC get their hands on these documents? Well, 402 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: there's obviously some very clever journalists of the ABC. So 403 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: they obtained these documents through the Freedom of Information Act, 404 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: which gives people the right to access documents held by 405 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: Australian government agencies and ministers unless an exemption applies. So, okay, 406 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: can you talk us through what deals did the SATC 407 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: strike up and what did the ABC find out through 408 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: this Freedom of Information Act? So according to the document 409 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: they obtained, the deal was presented to influencers as a 410 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: contra opportunity. For those who aren't familiar with the term contra, 411 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: it means that the influencers were offered payment in the 412 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: form of products or services and contra agreements are very 413 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: common in the social media space as well as in tourism, 414 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: entertainment and hospitality promotion. And in the document it said 415 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: talent is expected to post and tag at South Australia 416 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: across their own channels in exchange for the experience and 417 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: inclusions outlined above. Now, in terms of posting requirements, influencers 418 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: were allegedly asked to ideally post daily Instagram stories. Now, 419 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: there were some influencers who were also specifically asked to 420 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: publish one or two TikTok videos and an Instagram post. 421 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: The Tourism Minister Zoe Betterson has confirmed that posting was 422 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: requested by the state government in exchange for attendance, but 423 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: not a condition of the invite. Now, this is a 424 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: common practice in social media marketing. It's often used to 425 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: make the partnership feel a bit more organic and does 426 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: it make the influencer feel like they're bound by certain restrictions. 427 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm assuming because they were offering so many experiences to 428 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: the influences, they thought that they would organically share about 429 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: the stage. Yeah, I mean, who's not going to post 430 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: if they're at a very exclusive concert and Sam Smith 431 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: is not appearing anywhere. 432 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 2: Else in Australia. 433 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: It is interesting though that many of the invited influencers 434 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: start to just posting Instagram stories and as we know, 435 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: Instagram stories disappear, so there's actually no permanent posts on 436 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: some of these invited influencers feeds about their trip or 437 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: the concert. Well, it makes it better for their tax 438 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: in the long term, doesn't it. Because we've obviously heard 439 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 1: that the ATO was cracking down on influencers and they 440 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: are going to have their gifted items go to their 441 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: annual salary at the end of the year. So obviously 442 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: we've heard that they've got this new technology to work 443 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: it out. But it's easier if it's just a post 444 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: that disappears, it can't be tracked on the feed. I 445 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: also wonder, because there was quite a lot of backlash 446 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: about this event, if some of the influencers wanted to 447 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: distance themselves from it, well, they may have deleted posts 448 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: that were actually put on their feed. It's pretty interesting 449 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: because the offer of a contra deal was not enough 450 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: for some big influence to attend, particularly those with large followings. 451 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: Some influencers decline the offer when they found out they 452 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: would not be paid per post. The SATC told the 453 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: agents of these influencers, given this is an exclusive experience, 454 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: there is no budget for talent fees. Well, it's because 455 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: they blew all of the budget on getting Sam Smith there. 456 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting because the SATC had this US based 457 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: marketing consultant involved and they warned them that the event 458 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: was too niche to drive bookings from the US. So 459 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: clearly there were lots of red flags going on before 460 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: this event was actually rolled out. Well yeah, basically the 461 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: consultants said, look, it may drive awareness if certain conditions 462 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: are met. But that was our whole criticism of the 463 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: event to begin with. Why are people going to travel 464 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: into state for an event that isn't being replicated because 465 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: this event was a one off. Now that it's clear 466 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: that influences weren't actually paid, it's kind of more evident 467 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: why we got some really niche influences here, because where 468 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: were the likes of Sammy Robinson or jun She who 469 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: have previously been invited to South Australian tourism events. 470 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 2: I'm assuming they didn't want to do it for free. 471 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, sho gotra Yeah, shows why we got some very 472 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: crappy C grade Adelaide influences to the event. It seems 473 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: like they may have had to scrambled to make up 474 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: for these big names that they thought may attend. Now, 475 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: in terms of benefits they did vary from influencer to influencer. 476 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: The document reveals some influencers were given free flights and transfers, 477 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: as well as gifted five star accommodation in hotels like 478 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: the Softatel and Eos. Additionally, documents show some influencers were 479 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: given free meals at restaurants, including The Lane Vineyard in 480 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: the Adelaide Hills and Golden Boy in the CBD. The 481 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: ABC predicted the commercial cost of an itinery provided to 482 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: an interstate influencer attending the event to be at approximately 483 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars, just in case they want to put 484 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: it on their tack. 485 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: So do we reckon that. 486 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: The state government covered the cost of the hotels or 487 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: whether the hotels gifted the influencers that well, it's very 488 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: likely the actual cost covered by the state government could 489 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: be lower due to some pre existing arrangements with hotels 490 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: or restaurants. 491 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: Seeve be pretty. 492 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: Pissed off because it was evident that they didn't have 493 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: to tag any of these places either. I wonder does 494 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: the two thousand dollars Does that take into account the 495 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: ticket to Sam Smith, because I know there were talks 496 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: about how much a ticket it actually cost. Predicted that 497 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: it would be three thousand dollars per ticket for each 498 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: influencer to attend. Yeah, I believe the two thousand was 499 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: just the sort of rough price of the cost of 500 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: the trip. Now, the SATC did confirm back in January 501 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: that they shared the cost of the event with Frontier Touring, 502 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: which is the company who brought Sam Smith to Australia 503 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: for a series of concerts last year. 504 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 505 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: Well. Meanwhile, the South Australian Government is still finalizing their 506 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: review into the event, with a report expected to be 507 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: released at the end of April. While at the time 508 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: the state government defended their marketing strategy, they did agree 509 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: to review the event after there were calls for greater 510 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: transparency about how much money was being spent. Now, this 511 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: report is set to summarize the impact of the event 512 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: for the tourism industry and will include the number of 513 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 1: social media posts published by influences. They're probably hoping that 514 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: by April everyone will have forgotten about it. So I 515 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: really love that the ABC haven't forgotten they've done this 516 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: freed of information at I noticed a lot of other 517 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: media aren't actually covering this st they all attended the 518 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: bloody event. Yeah, I am really interested to read the report. 519 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: We will be following up on Outspoken. Back in January, 520 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: Zoe Betterson said that the Sam Smith event costs less 521 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: than half a million dollars and resulted in thirty two 522 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: million dollars worth of advertising for the state. I'm interested 523 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: to see how they crunch the numbers to get that 524 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: ROI they cost those instant stories, well, it would be 525 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: interesting to see if that is in fact true. I'm 526 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: wayne caring because this guy is a train wreck, an 527 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: explosive affair that tore the North Melbourne football clubber Park 528 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: lifestyle TikToker and business owner Katie O'Neill has soft launcher 529 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: relationship with shamed former AFL star Wayne Kerry. Before we 530 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: get into it, so who is Katie O'Neill. 531 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 2: Katie is a twenty eight year. 532 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: Old business owner from Melbourne who co owns a skincare 533 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: brand which is called My glow To alongside fellow influencer 534 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: Olivia Burrows. 535 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: Now, the skincare brand has. 536 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: A cult following with over ninety thousand followers on Instagram. 537 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: Katie has also made a name for herself on TikTok 538 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: with one hundred and sixteen thousand followers who looked to 539 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: her for lifestyle, fashion and beauty advice. On Instagram, she 540 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: has ten point seven thousand followers, but her account has 541 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: now been switched to private, which I'm sure is due 542 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: to the increased media attention she is receiving at the moment. Interestingly, though, 543 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: she is followed by fellow influencers Kira Maguire, Chloe Zepp, 544 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: Steph Claire Smith, and Olivia's new flame Morgan Waterhouse Now. 545 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 1: Katie soft launched the romance over the weekend by sharing 546 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: a close up photo of the couple cuddled up as 547 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: they enjoyed a glass of rose. And we've said this 548 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: as a soft launch, but I actually think that's quite 549 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: a hard launch. It's not like his arm, like a 550 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: full on photo. Well, it was very close up though, 551 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: but we'll Sources say that the pair have actually been 552 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: dating since January, and that the couple spent a romantic 553 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: holiday together in Bunderlong, where she accompanied him on a 554 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: business trip. So he's doing a bit of a talking 555 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: tour at the moment, appearing at different pubs, meeting so 556 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: called fans and also talking about his life. 557 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 2: And I love the name of it. An evening with 558 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 2: Wayne Kerrey. 559 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: For attendees say that Katie went to the event alongside 560 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: Kerrie and the pair looked very happy and smitten together. 561 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm really surprised that someone as young and successful as 562 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: Katie would want to align herself with someone like Wayne 563 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: Kerry because he has had such a highly publicized history 564 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: of violence against women and he's also a notorious womanizer. Well, 565 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: last year, Wayne Kerry appeared on Sas Australia and it 566 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: was clearly an attempt to redeem his terrible reputation. And 567 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: on the show, he admitted to cheating on his former 568 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: wife with a teammate's wife in two thousand and two, 569 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: and this was very highly publicized at the time before 570 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: running away to Las Vegas, and he said the incident 571 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: attracted the most media attention he's ever received and it's 572 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: haunted him for over twenty years. Well, on the show, 573 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: he also admitted to throwing wine on a girlfriend in 574 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, but what he didn't mention on 575 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: sas was that in nineteen ninety seven. Let's put into perspective, 576 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: this is two years after his new girlfriend was born. 577 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: He pleaded guilty to indecent assault after grabbing a woman's 578 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: breast on a Melbourne street, allegedly stalking her and asking 579 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: why don't you go and get a bigger set of tits. 580 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: This matter was settled out of court. I'd say this 581 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: was at the peak of his famous wealth. This was 582 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: such a big story at the time and Wayne Kerry 583 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 1: was just like the biggest footballer in the AFL. And 584 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, his bad boy reputation continued, 585 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: so he allegedly hid himself over the head with the 586 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: champagne bottle and wrestled with a security guard after an 587 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: alleged domestic dispute with his then girlfriend Kate Nilsen in 588 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: a New York hotel room. A year later, in Miami, 589 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: police was summoned again when Kerrie allegedly smashed a wine 590 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: glass in the face of the same girlfriend, Kate Nielsen, 591 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: during a confrontation in the hotel's restaurant. When police went 592 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: to the couples, sweet Kerry lashed out and kicked a 593 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: female officer in the mouth. He was convicted of battery 594 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: on a law enforcement officer, whilst his girlfriend Kate, decided 595 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: not to press charges. Now, despite this horrific past, for decades, 596 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: Wayne Kerrey has been appearing on primetime television as a commentator, 597 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: but it appears time may have run out for him. 598 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: Last year, he was caught up in another scandal when 599 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: white powder fell out of his pocket whilst gambling at 600 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: the casino. So Kerry was placed on immediate temporary suspension 601 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: by Channel seven and his contract was not renewed. Triple 602 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: M also confirmed Kerry would not be part of its 603 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: commentary team in twenty twenty three. I love that it 604 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: took some white powder falling out of his pocket. Don't 605 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: worry about the women that he assaulted. How dare he 606 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: bring drugs into the casino? I think it more says 607 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: a lot about the time that we're in because audiences 608 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: aren't standing for this bullshit anymore. And for so long 609 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: they wanted to look after him because he's one of 610 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: their favorite sons. He's this huge AFL star. But now 611 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: I think that it's not so much that they don't 612 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: want to befriend him or be in his circle. It's 613 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: more that they know how terrible it looks for the organization. 614 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 2: Well, it's not a good look. The fact that. 615 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: Wayne Kerrey is fifty one and Katie is twenty eight. 616 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: She's a similar age to his children. I think his 617 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: eldest daughter is around seventeen. I just find the whole 618 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: thing uncomfortable because, as I mentioned, Katie was only two 619 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: when a lot of these controversies were happening. Why would 620 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: she want to get involved with someone like this. I mean, 621 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to judge the age gap, and I 622 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: just want to play Devil's advocate for a moment. Does 623 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: this mean that Wayne Carey should not be allowed to 624 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: have any love interest? Could he actually come back from 625 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: this and redeem himself. He might be doing lots of counseling. 626 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: He's had so many rediation arc I'm not saying he 627 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: should never have a romantic relationship again, but it does 628 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: concern me when there is a clear power imbalance of 629 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: age here. We've seen him get into these relationships where 630 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: there's a power in balance with the fact that he's 631 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: a massive celebrity and has a lot of money, and 632 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: he's dating these women who look up to him when 633 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: there is a twenty something age gap. 634 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am concerned for Katie. 635 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: I love that he's still doing all these talking tours 636 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: as well, like they haven't been canceled. Well, it's clearly 637 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: his only revenue stream at the moment, and I mean 638 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: it seems like Katie is doing really well in the 639 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: skincare space. I just worry that this will harm her 640 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: reputation and also put her in a situation she doesn't 641 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: want to be in. Well, I think that's all we've 642 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: got time for today. Thank you so much for joining 643 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: us for another episode of Outspoken. This episode was recorded 644 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: on the traditional land of the Ghana people of the 645 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: Adelaide Planes. We pay respects to elders past and present. 646 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: And don't forget. 647 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: We have dropped episode two about Spoken plus into your feed. 648 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: If you're not a subscriber and you do want to 649 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: sign up, we will have an affiliate link in the 650 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: show notes. The title is Wellness Warrior or Menace to 651 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: Public Health. So it is a banger of an episode 652 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: if I do say so myself. And for those listeners 653 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: about Spoken who haven't left a review and actually really 654 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: liked the show, could you please do sir, because we 655 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: have been smashed in the reviews by a lot of 656 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: Sarah's Stance. 657 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: Who haven't actually listened to the episodes. 658 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: So if you are a listener and you love the show, 659 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: please give us some because we kind of need it. 660 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: In our reviews right now. 661 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: We do. I'm not having some good bedtime reading, but 662 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking through them, so please give me something to 663 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: smile about, because we've had so many lovely messages coming 664 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: through in our dms of people saying how much they're 665 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: enjoying it. 666 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 2: So sorry to be those people and beg for nice reviews.