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Speaker 1: Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the

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Speaker 1: land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge

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Speaker 1: traditional owners of the land where you the listener of

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Speaker 1: our respects to our elders past and present and acknowledged

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Speaker 1: Aboriginal land. Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with

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Speaker 1: Mandonara Bail. Welcome to another episode of the Black Magic

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Speaker 1: Woman Podcast. I am here on the beautiful lands of

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Speaker 1: the Yagura people's here in Brisbane, which some people referred

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Speaker 1: to as money Egin or me Engine. I've actually grown

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Speaker 1: Uncle Cheg on the show. I always handed over to

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Speaker 1: my guest to introduce themselves. So you want to tell

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Speaker 2: So my name is Gregory Egot. But as I'm known

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Speaker 2: in the Aboriginal torest trade hole in the community of

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Speaker 2: Southeast Queensland, cheg or Uncle Jack simply put mandan Ara.

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Speaker 2: I'm just a black father from Southeast Queensland whose mobs

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Speaker 2: But I grew up in the best suburb within Brisbane

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Speaker 1: Well, Uncle Check. I was just going to say, when

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Speaker 1: I first really got to know you were on the

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Speaker 1: And then we're running in we're running into each other

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Speaker 1: old feller, you get around, you're still you're still quite

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Speaker 2: Mondonara. That's my cultural obligation to my mother, my grandparents

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Speaker 2: And so I've tried since the nineties, been on many

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Speaker 1: I've had so many stories, Uncle Jake. I'm ready for

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Speaker 2: This one. I think we'll forget what we were meeting about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got to know how to duck. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And which way you've got headhunted now at Uq. What happened?

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Speaker 2: What we're doing within our research is transdissant ury research.

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Speaker 1: Uncle check, I want to make a really important comment.

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Speaker 1: You Q has probably the highest number of First Nations

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Speaker 2: Is it's the It's it's the academics. You work with

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Speaker 1: Okay, And what is it like as a older black feller, right,

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Speaker 2: Well, Manara, let's be blunt. I work in an institute

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Speaker 2: So what what happens is I have a mentor involved

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Speaker 2: And that's that's a that's a good that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's it's like, you don't find that much, do you. No, No,

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Speaker 1: in these universes, you don't find where you've got community

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Speaker 2: And look, one of the one of the and I

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Speaker 2: that you're going to do with our community, I will

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Speaker 2: not see right, Because it's about the future generations, and

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Speaker 2: it's about changing policy, and it's about making sure that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uncle, when you think about the next generation that

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Speaker 2: Well, sometimes I have some sleepless nights my Americas. I

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Speaker 2: Thank you and look Wandoonara, thank you for for thanking me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what a way to sum it up. When

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Speaker 1: For all the listeners, thank you for tuning in, and

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Speaker 1: Good magangin. So I hope you enjoyed this Deadly yarn

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Speaker 1: until next time, Bye for now, thank you. If you'd

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