Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say
Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kay and
Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have
Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers
Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.
Speaker 1: That is so fat. Thank you, hello, and welcome back
Speaker 1: to Outspoken. Now. We thought we would start the episode
Speaker 1: by giving you a little bit of an insight into
Speaker 1: what it's really like working with your sisters. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's no secret that we argue from time to time.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've had full blown arguments on this podcast.
Speaker 1: I've even listened back to the start of episodes where
Speaker 1: my voice is like hoarse because we've had like a
Speaker 1: very heated argument before we've got into recording about what
Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about. Yeah. Well, the other night,
Speaker 1: we all had a girls' night at Sophie's house and
Speaker 1: we decided to watch the Veronica's Reality MTV show, and
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I've never related to a clip of
Speaker 1: two people fighting ever so much in my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt like it really encapsulates what our arguments are
Speaker 1: like without having to actually air our own dirty pountry
Speaker 1: and show really what we argue like, I think we
Speaker 1: should go to a clip and have a listen at
Speaker 1: how they fight with each other.
Speaker 2: So Lese forgot the black latex bodysuit again. I had
Speaker 2: to pack three suitcases full of stuff, and I had
Speaker 2: all the beads, all the dresses, the blue and the
Speaker 2: pink lab It's.
Speaker 1: Too much responsibility.
Speaker 2: I remember read a minute.
Speaker 1: I don't mind listen to me. You have it. No,
Speaker 1: you had the red and the black latex.
Speaker 2: I have the red, you have the black from hands,
Speaker 2: you have the latex bodysuit from the Heaven Party. I'll
Speaker 2: go find the text message back.
Speaker 1: Now go find that that good. I will once I
Speaker 1: actually have the time. Now, you took my makeup? Where
Speaker 1: take your makeup?
Speaker 2: It's probably sitting in the same place with the black latex.
Speaker 2: You are a nightmare to be around. I packed both
Speaker 2: of the knee.
Speaker 1: Shut the fight. Told you.
Speaker 2: I will take into pack everything that I you have
Speaker 2: for the right of having any opinion right now unless
Speaker 2: you show respect.
Speaker 1: When I'm speaking and stop.
Speaker 2: It's not like we don't have a billion other options,
Speaker 2: I know, but literally the black Latex is actually a
Speaker 2: stable piece.
Speaker 3: And you know that.
Speaker 1: No, Jess, honestly say I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Don't say no, I say I apologizing, and you don't
Speaker 2: have apologie, because I'm not enabling your behavior right now.
Speaker 2: So Hi, your hair gets the more bitchy you're becoming.
Speaker 1: The first thing I loved about this fight is the
Speaker 1: fact that they are openly arguing in front of a
Speaker 1: room full of people, and I just love how awkward
Speaker 1: the people look. I really felt for our best friend
Speaker 1: Owen because I felt like it showed what she must
Speaker 1: feel like in those moments where Sophie, Amy and I
Speaker 1: are having massive arguments and she's just awkwardly there trying
Speaker 1: not to like be on anyone side. Do you know what?
Speaker 1: Though so many people have told us that our fights
Speaker 1: are funny to watch, and watching them, I finally understood, Oh,
Speaker 1: it actually is quite entertaining. It also brought me back
Speaker 1: to a fight that we had on our girls trip
Speaker 1: with Owen in Penang, where it was a fight about communism,
Speaker 1: of all things. But that's the thing, Like, not that
Speaker 1: that's a small issue, but I mean, most of the
Speaker 1: arguments we have are brought on by the most minute
Speaker 1: thing I think though the topic in question is not
Speaker 1: usually what where the argument is stemming from. It's usually
Speaker 1: used as a vehicle for other issues to be raised.
Speaker 1: The other bit of the Veronica's fight I really related
Speaker 1: to is how they overcome their argument. So let's have
Speaker 1: a listen to this clip.
Speaker 2: As soon as you hear I start to call each other,
Speaker 2: chi chi, you know that the fight is over and
Speaker 2: the white flag is waving.
Speaker 1: And even just do it around there and do it
Speaker 1: at a moment, CHITCHI lot.
Speaker 2: If I had the black Wave ex bodyuit, this could have.
Speaker 3: Been a month.
Speaker 1: This is us to a tea. I mean, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be honest. We've lived with each other for thirty years,
Speaker 1: so yeah, there has been points where we've almost had
Speaker 1: physical fights. Well we have, Sorry, we have had physical fights.
Speaker 1: There's been shoes thrown at each other's, the muffin throwing incident.
Speaker 1: The worst thing is that sometimes these arguments would be
Speaker 1: captured on Snapchat secretly, and sometimes I get these memories
Speaker 1: pop up when we live together and like Brandon will
Speaker 1: be like, what are you watching? I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: That's what I'm going to say is like, that's the
Speaker 1: point where it's you know, quite a crazy fight. But literally,
Speaker 1: I'd say ten minutes later, we will just be putting
Speaker 1: on these little voices to each other and calling it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they cute little names, darling, stop it, and literally everything
Speaker 1: will be fine. It's our boyfriends can't work it out.
Speaker 1: Do you know what's funny seeing how other siblings resolve
Speaker 1: some arguments or the fact that they don't argue at all.
Speaker 1: I would like to know is it just a multiple
Speaker 1: birth thing? Because we've obviously had to share the womb
Speaker 1: with each other. We're that close and just like the Veronicas,
Speaker 1: So when I saw them, I was like, is it
Speaker 1: multiple births? Or is it like girls and girls arguing?
Speaker 1: Or We're going to put the question in our Facebook group,
Speaker 1: which has outspoken the podcast Facebook community, and we want
Speaker 1: to know, what are the biggest arguments you've ever had
Speaker 1: with this sibling and do you relate to the veron
Speaker 1: I don't so much. I'd also like to throw in there,
Speaker 1: what's the biggest argument you've had over something ridiculously small?
Speaker 1: It doesn't even matter. Yeah, what triggers the arguments? Because
Speaker 1: for us it's usually clothes and make up, boyfriends stealing
Speaker 1: each other's things, Yeah, it's really anything, very trivial things,
Speaker 1: even just the way something is phrased towards someone. And
Speaker 1: as we said, communism apparently is another point of argument.
Speaker 3: Hi, sister.
Speaker 1: My influencer James Charles has hit out at Instagram, claiming
Speaker 1: a change in the platform's algorithm has caused his likes
Speaker 1: to drop from four million to one million per post.
Speaker 1: In the eight minute long video, the beauty influencer explained
Speaker 1: that while he can survive with a seventy five percent
Speaker 1: drop in engagement, a lot of other creators cannot. Amy
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on what James Charles said? Well,
Speaker 1: I really love the fact that James Charles came out
Speaker 1: and made an Insta story about this topic. And I
Speaker 1: think first we should have a listened to what exactly
Speaker 1: can I say say? It's quite ironic that he used
Speaker 1: Instagram to share the story that he's not happy with Instagram,
Speaker 1: and Instagram would have been like, yeah, let's get this
Speaker 1: algorithm low for this post. Anyway, let's throw to the clip.
Speaker 3: There has been a massive major change in the Instagram
Speaker 3: algorithm that I have noticed, the other big have noticed,
Speaker 3: and that I know for a fact small businesses and
Speaker 3: small artists have definitely noticed because it affects them the most.
Speaker 3: And Instagram is sitting here adding all these features that
Speaker 3: nobody's asking for, pretending like nothing's happening, nothing is changing,
Speaker 3: are while ignoring everybody who's giving them feedback and saying
Speaker 3: that they don't like the directing that the app is going.
Speaker 3: It's crazy to me.
Speaker 1: So I thought this was a really interesting point that
Speaker 1: James Charles made. He first came out and said that
Speaker 1: of course he's being selfish in making this post because
Speaker 1: it is affecting his business. But what about the people
Speaker 1: who are small creators or small businesses. I mean, a
Speaker 1: seventy five percent decrease in people coming to your account
Speaker 1: is a huge number, and it could be killing a
Speaker 1: lot of businesses. And it's really difficult if the creators
Speaker 1: of that platform can't understand what's going on, which is
Speaker 1: going to have a trickle down effect to brands, because
Speaker 1: brands aren't going to know why people are getting a
Speaker 1: seventy five percent decrease, and they're going to assume that
Speaker 1: those influences are people that they no longer want to work.
Speaker 1: I've got a theory. Did Instagram get rid of likes?
Speaker 1: So that it wouldn't be a parent how much this
Speaker 1: drop was occurring for regular people. So they just weren't
Speaker 1: across the fact that there was an algorithm change, because
Speaker 1: unless you're working with someone like James Charles, you're not
Speaker 1: privy to all of his stats. Well, James Charles has
Speaker 1: said he's only seen a change in algorithm in the
Speaker 1: last two months. So his posts we're getting four million likes,
Speaker 1: they're now getting one million likes. And he said he's
Speaker 1: done nothing. He hasn't changed how many times he's posting,
Speaker 1: he's responding to fans, he's doing all the right things,
Speaker 1: and all it points to is the fact that Instagram
Speaker 1: has made an algorithm change. However, they haven't announced any change,
Speaker 1: which is what he's so angry about, because brands will
Speaker 1: be saying, well, what's the problem, because Instagram, haven't you
Speaker 1: announced anything has changed. What they have actually made an
Speaker 1: announcement about is additions that they've made to the platform.
Speaker 1: So Instagram IGTVV creators now have the option to turn
Speaker 1: on automatic captions for their videos, which are available in
Speaker 1: sixteen different languages. That's good, which make the platform a
Speaker 1: lot more inclusive to people that obviously can't hear. It's
Speaker 1: a great idea though as well. But it's also for
Speaker 1: people who were just at work on Instagram and don't
Speaker 1: want to lose of course. Yeah, that too, which I'm
Speaker 1: actually loving because I noticed on the Instagram stories now
Speaker 1: you can even you write your caption or whatever, but
Speaker 1: you can have it as rolling text as well, which
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. They have also introduced a new map
Speaker 1: and calendar tool, which I'm actually not familiar with yet,
Speaker 1: which allows people to browse old stories by date and location.
Speaker 1: Oh my god from other people's Yeah, well it's insane
Speaker 1: that door then changing. Oh god, I would have loved
Speaker 1: that about five years ago. Yeah, I thought you were
Speaker 1: going to say it was a map like on Snapchat,
Speaker 1: which I was going to say, that's pretty well, that
Speaker 1: would be pretty tough for influences to be on that celebrity. Well.
Speaker 1: There's also they've made some changes to reels. Now reels
Speaker 1: can be thirty seconds long rather than fifteen seconds. Did
Speaker 1: you guys know about this one? So Instagram, to celebrate
Speaker 1: its tenth birthday, has introduced that you can change the
Speaker 1: Instagram icon on your phone. So what you have to
Speaker 1: do is you go into your settings and you pull
Speaker 1: the page down until you see confetti animation, and then
Speaker 1: it will allow you to choose between like the normal
Speaker 1: Instagram logo, the classic and the retro one. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's all smoke and mirrors. They're introducing all of
Speaker 1: these fancy new things, but yet hiding the fact that
Speaker 1: the algorithm has changed and that this will drastically affect
Speaker 1: businesses online. Well, that's exactly what James Child said. He said,
Speaker 1: while Instagram are bringing in all these new features, they're
Speaker 1: not actually acknowledging the changes that a lot of creators
Speaker 1: are having a problem with, number one being the algorithm change. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: for me, it's quite obvious that Instagram have a real
Speaker 1: focus on monetization and commos, which is what the top
Speaker 1: executive at Instagram, Tom Masirio, actually announced, and he said,
Speaker 1: we're working on a number of new features to help
Speaker 1: creators making a living. Expect more updates soon. He also
Speaker 1: hinted more audience insights may soon be available to businesses
Speaker 1: and creator accounts. But to me, it's what they're actually
Speaker 1: doing is very counterintuitive to the creators. They're claiming, oh no,
Speaker 1: we're going to make it easier for you guys to
Speaker 1: earn money on the platform. But that's not the The
Speaker 1: issue is that for a long time, influencers have been
Speaker 1: earning a lot of money from the platform, but Instagram
Speaker 1: themselves have not, So that's quite clear why they are
Speaker 1: making change. So it's like, here's all these tools so
Speaker 1: you can be better at influencing or making your business
Speaker 1: page go off, but then we're going to cut down
Speaker 1: your engagement so much. It's very obvious that Instagram just
Speaker 1: want influencers and businesses to pay to be seen on
Speaker 1: the app, which is what exactly happened to Facebook and
Speaker 1: why Facebook is now so unpopular. I mean, yes, we
Speaker 1: all go on it, but we don't use it how
Speaker 1: we used to use it, and I feel like Instagram
Speaker 1: is going to turn into the same thing. Well, James
Speaker 1: Tiles made a really good point. He said that it
Speaker 1: is embarrassing that his likes have gone down from four
Speaker 1: million to one million, and although he's more concerned about
Speaker 1: what it means for smaller businesses and also his business,
Speaker 1: it does bring up a very good point of will
Speaker 1: people be posting? I know likes have been taken away,
Speaker 1: but let's be honest, we can still see, you know,
Speaker 1: there's ways around seeing people's engagement. Jump on your desktop
Speaker 1: and have a lot. Yeah. Yeah, but as soon as
Speaker 1: someone like if I like your post, amy, I can
Speaker 1: then click on and see how many people have liked it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have to manually count it, but it gives me
Speaker 1: an idea of how many likes you've gotten. Well, Instagram
Speaker 1: actually came out and said that one of the reasons
Speaker 1: for taking away likes was to increase user engagement on Instagram,
Speaker 1: so people wouldn't care about posting a photo if it
Speaker 1: didn't get many likes. But what James Charles is saying,
Speaker 1: these new changes are making people get seventy five percent
Speaker 1: less engagement, and people are tweeting and saying I don't
Speaker 1: even feel like posting a photo on Instagram because it's
Speaker 1: just embarrassing. Well, talking about the changes, obviously, Instagram haven't
Speaker 1: actually come out and said that there are any. But
Speaker 1: what are people actually thinking has been changed with the algorithm? Well,
Speaker 1: there are thoughts that the algorithm is favoring people whose
Speaker 1: photos are saved. So I actually never do that. I
Speaker 1: never save people's photos. But a lot of people are
Speaker 1: saying that this change in algorithm is actually favoring people
Speaker 1: who post you know, like bikini first trap picks, because
Speaker 1: let's be honest, that's what some men and I suppose
Speaker 1: some women are also saving on their phones. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: noticed that Jade Twinschi was actually asking her followers to
Speaker 1: start saving pictures if they wanted to see her in
Speaker 1: their news feed. It does make me think is Instagram
Speaker 1: turning more into Pinterest, because that's a very Pinterest style thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, you obviously go on there, you find an
Speaker 1: esthetic that you like, maybe you're planning a wedding or
Speaker 1: redecorating or looking at fashion, and you save the pins.
Speaker 1: So it feels to me like Instagram is rebelling from
Speaker 1: what is now becoming a place where it's favoring authenticity.
Speaker 1: But it completely contradicts their first message when they got
Speaker 1: rid of the likes. They said, we want you to
Speaker 1: feel comfortable to post regularly whatever you want. But then
Speaker 1: they're saying you have to post images that are good
Speaker 1: enough to be saved and used on other platforms. It
Speaker 1: makes no sense. It seems like they're trying to push
Speaker 1: back to a time when feeds were really curated and
Speaker 1: people are only wanting to save these very perfect images
Speaker 1: to try and repliciz It's just a very dumb business move.
Speaker 1: It's not reflective of what society wants at the moment,
Speaker 1: especially with the pandemic. I feel like people are pushing
Speaker 1: against that perfect ideal. Just a thought though it could
Speaker 1: actually advantage some small creators because think about it. You know,
Speaker 1: like people who post about their pantries and their organizational photos.
Speaker 1: People would be saving that type of content. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go and save influences like glamorous shots. It
Speaker 1: would be more business pages I'd be saving. But it's
Speaker 1: dependent on what you're looking for. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of young people out there that may save influencers glamoroushots
Speaker 1: because they like that clothing style or that honest it's
Speaker 1: men saving photos for a wank bank, like that is
Speaker 1: what it is. I'm just going to say it's photo
Speaker 1: has everyone, But that would be a large portion I
Speaker 1: believe of an audience that will now be favoring bikini photos.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I feel like people who
Speaker 1: run social media accounts for a living they save photos
Speaker 1: is inspiration from other accounts, But is that just encouraging
Speaker 1: people to steal photos and copy one another's photos. Well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting you say that because one of the new
Speaker 1: features Instagram have added is similar to what Facebook's feature
Speaker 1: is in terms of copywriting. So Facebook actually have a
Speaker 1: feature that I didn't even know about until today called
Speaker 1: Facebook Rights Manager, and it's a tool designed to help
Speaker 1: you find any of your copyrighted images that you've submitted
Speaker 1: for protection on the platform and manage them accordingly. So
Speaker 1: now you can do that with Instagram. You can say, okay,
Speaker 1: well I've taken this beautiful photo and you can have
Speaker 1: Instagram track it and then serve those people with sort
Speaker 1: of an infringement to let them know, hey, that's actually
Speaker 1: your photo, which is very an interesting step to protect creators.
Speaker 1: But then they're encouraging people to save them, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. Yeah, I suppose you can save them,
Speaker 1: but once you replicate them and pass them off as
Speaker 1: your own work, it's not fair. Well. I had a
Speaker 1: look on Social Blade, which is a website where you
Speaker 1: can look at different influencers engagement, and currently James Charles
Speaker 1: has eight point six three percent engagement on his Instagram
Speaker 1: and that's really good. That's a really high engagement. So
Speaker 1: it's crazy to think he actually had four times the amount.
Speaker 1: Yeah previously, Well, I had to look at some of
Speaker 1: the Ossie influencers because I thought everyone might be interest
Speaker 1: and it's crazy to see who's doing really well. So
Speaker 1: Bella from The Bachelor, her engagement is more than James Charles. Really,
Speaker 1: her engagement is nine points. But that's just the percent
Speaker 1: though it doesn't mean there's more people. Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: percentage is a comparable of the audience. And over the
Speaker 1: last thirty days, Bella's Instagram has grown by thirty four thousand,
Speaker 1: so she has a total of one hundred and nine
Speaker 1: thousand followers, So that is growing at an amazing rate. Well,
Speaker 1: that's pretty expected when you've been on the finale of
Speaker 1: The Bachelor. I feel like we'll look in thirty days
Speaker 1: time and that growth will not be there anymore. Well,
Speaker 1: last time I looked at Becky, who's one of the Bachelorette,
Speaker 1: she had twenty five thousand followers. I think it is
Speaker 1: indicative of the ratings for that show at the moment though. Well,
Speaker 1: Becky's engagement is five point eight percent. But it's crazy.
Speaker 1: You look at Abby Chatfield, She's got six point one
Speaker 1: seven percent engagement, But look at someone like Tully Smith
Speaker 1: and her engagement is zero point six percent. That really
Speaker 1: surprised me. But I suppose when you look at someone
Speaker 1: like Abby Chatfield, who is consistently connecting with her audience
Speaker 1: in a very relatable and authentic way, people are going
Speaker 1: to be drawn to that type of content. I had
Speaker 1: to look at Tylia Skaines's engagement on Social Blade and
Speaker 1: she's currently at two point three percent, and she does
Speaker 1: post a lot of bikini picks, so it will be
Speaker 1: interesting to see if that figure does go up over
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. And I'm really intrigued to
Speaker 1: see if Instagram slowly does start taking some of that
Speaker 1: power away from influencers, because it does indeed seem like
Speaker 1: that is what their end goal is, and it seems
Speaker 1: to already be happening. You know, you've got the Instagram's
Speaker 1: biggest influencers calling them out. But how dumb because everyone's
Speaker 1: just going to go away from the app. I mean,
Speaker 1: TikTok's threatening Instagram in terms of popularity, And why would
Speaker 1: you be pissing people off like James Charles. Maybe they're
Speaker 1: getting too big for their boots now that TikTok is
Speaker 1: potentially being shut down in America. Maybe Hi, I'm Monie
Speaker 1: May hag I've got a text. This week, Love Island
Speaker 1: star Molly May Haigu revealed to her four point nine
Speaker 1: billion followers that she needs further surgery after having a
Speaker 1: mole removed on her leg. The twenty one year old
Speaker 1: said while she's very scared, she wants her story to
Speaker 1: raise awareness. Skin cancer is ranked as the most common
Speaker 1: cancer amongst BRIT's age fifteen to thirty four, with many
Speaker 1: viewing selariums as a healthy way to get vitamin D. Sophie,
Speaker 1: can you talk us through what's happening with Molly may Well?
Speaker 1: Molly may has been very vocal sharing this on her
Speaker 1: Instagram and last month that started with a photo that
Speaker 1: she shared showing her bandaged leg and she explained that
Speaker 1: she had to have a mole removed after getting multiple
Speaker 1: opinions from different doctors who suggested it may become cancerous
Speaker 1: at some stage. This kind of freaked me out because
Speaker 1: she said she went to two doctors that told her
Speaker 1: that it was fine. So it just shows how important
Speaker 1: it is to follow these things up if you are
Speaker 1: concerned about something. Well. It was actually Molly's mum who
Speaker 1: first noticed the mole and that was when she was
Speaker 1: in the Love Island Feelers, So it has been something
Speaker 1: I think that's been playing on Molly's mind a lot.
Speaker 1: So she told her followers this week that she is
Speaker 1: awaiting further surgery after she had the mole removed on
Speaker 1: her leg, and she told fans that she wasn't going
Speaker 1: to go into detail until she had her results back.
Speaker 1: She wrote, so, about three weeks ago now, I was
Speaker 1: advised that a mole I had on my leg needed removing.
Speaker 1: I had the procedure done within a few days. Last
Speaker 1: week I received my results back and it's safe to
Speaker 1: say they were not at all what I was expecting.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to process the information I received whilst
Speaker 1: being super busy with work, and it's not been easy.
Speaker 1: She then went on to say, I'm still not able
Speaker 1: to give my full diagnosis until my further surgery has
Speaker 1: taken place and have received those results. But for now,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to stay positive. I never thought at
Speaker 1: twenty one something like this would happen to me, and
Speaker 1: it's very scary. But all I know is that I
Speaker 1: absolutely need to share my story and what I'm going
Speaker 1: through to raise awareness of this situation. I'll keep you
Speaker 1: updated as much as I can. I've already received so
Speaker 1: many lovely messages from you guys, and I appreciate it
Speaker 1: so much. The thing that I've taken away from this
Speaker 1: is that Molly has been so brave in documenting her
Speaker 1: experience and also urging followers to be very vigilant, especially
Speaker 1: when it's not really something that seems to be taken
Speaker 1: seriously in the UK. You forget that she's only twenty one.
Speaker 1: Really shocks me, and it is very mature of her
Speaker 1: to use her experience to educate others, especially when she
Speaker 1: doesn't really know what's going to happen. It seems very
Speaker 1: up in the air, obviously waiting on a lot of
Speaker 1: test results. I mean, I just feel stressed thinking about
Speaker 1: it for her. What it really shone a light on
Speaker 1: for me was the ingrained tanning culture that actually exists
Speaker 1: in the UK. It's crazy because for a country that's
Speaker 1: very dreary, gloomy and there isn't really much sun about
Speaker 1: the place, it's funny how tanning is so popular there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it did shock me that skin cancer was the leading
Speaker 1: cancer in young people in the UK, when, as you said,
Speaker 1: many of them don't actually go out in the sun
Speaker 1: and it's only on holidays overseas that they are exposed
Speaker 1: to the sunlight. I have actually noticed that because I
Speaker 1: do follow a lot of UK influencers and they clearly
Speaker 1: haven't had the same sun safe messages that we have.
Speaker 1: You know at school or is you've got a slip
Speaker 1: slop slap before you go out, whereas they're like, oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, it's sunny, I've got to go out and
Speaker 1: I've got to get my vitamin D and I've got
Speaker 1: to sit in the sun all day. Well that makes
Speaker 1: sense because they don't see a lot of the sun,
Speaker 1: so in Australia we have to These are things that
Speaker 1: we have to do all the time. Well, it's really
Speaker 1: interesting when you do look into the history of the
Speaker 1: tanning culture over there, and it really became popular with
Speaker 1: the accessibility of foreign travel. So in the later half
Speaker 1: of the twentieth century we saw more people traveling for
Speaker 1: the first time, so sun tanning became something that was
Speaker 1: actually glamorous and showed wealth rather than representing poverty. So
Speaker 1: for the first time it was really cool and glamorous
Speaker 1: to have a tan. Well. I don't know about other people,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's pretty easy to spot the
Speaker 1: English people when you're overseas. So when we've holidayed in Malaysia,
Speaker 1: you can see the people a mile away because they're
Speaker 1: often completely sunburned and bread and they just spend their
Speaker 1: whole holiday sun baking. But it's say that for Australians
Speaker 1: as well. But that's the thing. After speaking to a
Speaker 1: number of people in our community and also doing our research,
Speaker 1: it's actually crazy because tanning beds were first developed in
Speaker 1: eighteen ninety one by the man who created Kellogg's corn flakes,
Speaker 1: and they were brought out because they said they were
Speaker 1: really good for you, so they helped you with vitamin D.
Speaker 1: So I think that there's this ingrained theory amongst the
Speaker 1: UK that oh, it's really healthy to go into these things.
Speaker 1: And it shocked me there are actually eight thousand sun
Speaker 1: tanning beds in the UK. It grows because in Australia
Speaker 1: they've been banned because we know that they're not healthy
Speaker 1: at all, that they're very dangerous. They're carcinogenic at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. Studies show that even just one
Speaker 1: session in one of these sun beds can increase your
Speaker 1: chances of melanoma by twenty percent and your chances of
Speaker 1: other skin cancers increased by sixty seven percent. And that
Speaker 1: is just one time in a sunbed. That is so scary.
Speaker 1: I know of so many people that have actually used
Speaker 1: suntanning beds back in the day, probably like ten fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago. It's crazy because the stats show that between
Speaker 1: the ages of fifteen to thirty four, the most common
Speaker 1: cancer is skin cancer. And it's not a surprise when
Speaker 1: you go for a walk down one of the main
Speaker 1: streets in England, there are sunbed places everywhere. And what's
Speaker 1: most disturbing is that children are using these beds. It
Speaker 1: showed that forty three percent of fourteen to sixteen year
Speaker 1: olds have used sun tanning beds at least once, and
Speaker 1: an even more disturbing stats showed that eight to eleven
Speaker 1: year olds are using sun tanning beds, with seven percent
Speaker 1: of these children using them once every fortnight. What the hell, Like,
Speaker 1: I just it blows my mind. Growing up, our mum
Speaker 1: was so vigilant about sun care, like and I feel
Speaker 1: so lucky that she was. I mean, we hated it,
Speaker 1: having to put suncream on every day and wearing hats
Speaker 1: and wearing rashes, but I am so thankful now it
Speaker 1: is so scary to think that these kids are putting
Speaker 1: themselves at risk of melanoma. But the thing is what's
Speaker 1: sad is the parents think that they're probably doing the
Speaker 1: right thing because it's been ingrained in them that it's
Speaker 1: healthy to have as suntan, it's healthy to get vitamin D.
Speaker 1: So they're probably thinking, oh, yeah, I'll let the kids
Speaker 1: go in there. They don't get much sun. I wonder
Speaker 1: if it's got anything to do with shows like Jeordie
Speaker 1: Shaw and The Only Ways Es six, because a lot
Speaker 1: of them promote sun beds and obviously fake tan as well.
Speaker 1: But we I mean Molly May herself promotes tanning, which
Speaker 1: I found was kind of not ironic, but it was
Speaker 1: interesting that she obviously a bit of a big part
Speaker 1: of her image is having a beautiful tan, or even
Speaker 1: inside the villa on Love Island, they're constantly out sun baking,
Speaker 1: and you do wonder if they are provided with suncream. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the first thing I thought of because watching it
Speaker 1: from a perspective of always being forced to wear sun
Speaker 1: cream as a kid. When I watched them tanning basically
Speaker 1: all day in very like small clothing like bathers, I
Speaker 1: kind of made me feel sick, and all I could
Speaker 1: think of was, oh my gosh, their poor skin. And
Speaker 1: I do wonder if Love Island has any sort of
Speaker 1: OHS safety obligations considering it essentially was a workplace, and
Speaker 1: there are some rumors that they do make them wear
Speaker 1: bikinis during the day and that they made to sit outside.
Speaker 1: So well, the thing is that skin cancers can happen
Speaker 1: to anybody. You can be out in the sun. It
Speaker 1: only takes a few times getting burnt, and so in
Speaker 1: that sense, it is of course the responsibility of the
Speaker 1: person to wear suncream. And you know, as I said,
Speaker 1: you can get burnt a few times and pick up
Speaker 1: a skin cancer. So we don't want to be blaming anyone.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to blame anyone, but there are definitely
Speaker 1: obligations that workplaces have to take on board. And it
Speaker 1: would be, for example, if you were working putting music
Speaker 1: together and we're always listening to loud concerts, then your
Speaker 1: hearing is going to be affected. So there are steps
Speaker 1: in place that workplaces need to provide you with adequate protection.
Speaker 1: So it's the same thing with suncream on a show
Speaker 1: like Love Island, where you're outside all the time. That
Speaker 1: being said, this could be Love Island's huge opportunity to
Speaker 1: promote suncream as a cool thing to wear. They need
Speaker 1: to be showing the contestants putting on the sun cream.
Speaker 1: I really hope, So I really hope they do that,
Speaker 1: But I also hope that they shut down some of
Speaker 1: these bloody sun beds. It's really disturbing because stats show
Speaker 1: that in the last three decades the rates of skin
Speaker 1: cancer have quadrupled and it is down to these bloody
Speaker 1: sun beds. If you I could walk through the main
Speaker 1: streets of England, there are so many of these beds
Speaker 1: out there and it's really disturbing because there's even slot
Speaker 1: machines where you can go and just put a couple
Speaker 1: of a couple of coins in one of these machines.
Speaker 1: There's no one working there, so it's not regulated. Kids
Speaker 1: can go in them, it's not regulated how long you're
Speaker 1: in these machines, what type of skin you have. It's
Speaker 1: just disgusting. Well do you not really disturbs me. They
Speaker 1: have been shut down in Australia, which is fantastic, but
Speaker 1: you can still purchase sun beds in Australia, So I
Speaker 1: have a friend who has a sunbed that uses it
Speaker 1: at home. When I was working at Today tonight, we
Speaker 1: did a story about sunbed usage and this was on
Speaker 1: the cusp of when they were going to be outlawed,
Speaker 1: and you actually had to fill in a little survey
Speaker 1: of what your skin was like, except you could totally
Speaker 1: botch it. I could say that I had olive skin
Speaker 1: and they'd let me in straight away. So they actually
Speaker 1: need to outlaw it completely because you can't be trusted
Speaker 1: like people can't be trusted to. It's definitely to be
Speaker 1: self regulation show exactly well. I really hope in the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks that we do hear some good
Speaker 1: news from Molly May about her surgery, and it's just
Speaker 1: really great that she is shining a light on the matter. Scy,
Speaker 1: let's get into our influencer rap, so can you start
Speaker 1: us off? We really have to take our hats off
Speaker 1: to Instagram page celeb spellcheck for this one. They were
Speaker 1: first to break this story, and it is of course
Speaker 1: that Sky Wheatley has announced baby number two is on
Speaker 1: the way, and so let's spell check. They were on
Speaker 1: this a few weeks ago. They were picking up the
Speaker 1: signs before anyone else noticed. So for those who haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, Sky made the announcement with a photo shoot
Speaker 1: which was professionally styled and her family posed in beige
Speaker 1: outfits outside of White mansion and they basically held up
Speaker 1: a sonogram showing their new baby. Yeah, and Sky had
Speaker 1: been talking about this photo shoot for quite a few weeks,
Speaker 1: so it was kind of obvious that this is going
Speaker 1: to happen. So we were just really waiting for the
Speaker 1: photo to drop. And I don't think it disappointed. It
Speaker 1: was very sky. It was very over the top and
Speaker 1: really didn't make much sense as to why they needed
Speaker 1: to have a full on photo shoot and video shoot.
Speaker 1: Well three weeks ago, she posted a rather misleading photos
Speaker 1: which made her followers believe that she was actually having twins.
Speaker 1: She posted a selfie where Lockie had his hand on
Speaker 1: her stomach. I was I say fox, which one forest
Speaker 1: was in the photo? And she wrote and then there
Speaker 1: were five. Now, for those who actually had ego eyes,
Speaker 1: they would have spotted that their dash hounds, Winston and
Speaker 1: crunchyet was seen in the background, so that's who she
Speaker 1: was apparently indicating to. So her comments were filled with
Speaker 1: people being like, oh my god, this is the pregnancy announcement,
Speaker 1: So she responded in her comments confirming that she wasn't
Speaker 1: pregnant and that the next baby announcement would be far
Speaker 1: more epic than a mirror selfie. The announcement did kind
Speaker 1: of make more sense as to why she was reminiscing
Speaker 1: over old photos of herself and her smaller waist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it definitely did bring a bit more context there. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to finding out what she's going to name
Speaker 1: this child and what the sex if it's going to
Speaker 1: be, because with a name like Forest, I don't think she's
Speaker 1: going to have a regular boy or girl's name.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I'm also hoping, I mean, I hope it's just a
Speaker 1: healthy baby, but I would love to see her with
Speaker 1: a girl. I'd find that very interesting to see how
Speaker 1: she dresses her up. And also what I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing is more of those epic McDonald's woun So
Speaker 1: once they had done their photo shoot and announced it,
Speaker 1: Sky was putting on her story that they went and
Speaker 1: got there was like two massive bags of McDonald's between
Speaker 1: the two of them. Also, she also had that epic
Speaker 1: chocolate pudding as well. I was made me so hungry
Speaker 1: and I very much look forward to more of that
Speaker 1: sort of content. Well. Another influencer he's been talking about
Speaker 1: big life events is Sarah's Day. I found this one
Speaker 1: so exciting. On Sunday, Sarah announced to her followers that
Speaker 1: she would be going a wedding dress shopping for the
Speaker 1: first time now. Of course, Sarah and Kirk got engaged
Speaker 1: in Hawaii in December last year, and two months ago
Speaker 1: they shared a vlog where they traveled to Byron Bay
Speaker 1: to plan their wedding and basically Sarah talked about the
Speaker 1: fact that they have put the wedding plans on hold
Speaker 1: while she's renovating and also while her cooking project is
Speaker 1: nearing its end. Sarah did admit, though, that she had
Speaker 1: a bit of an intervention and disagreement with her father,
Speaker 1: who said that she needs to make it a priority
Speaker 1: to get married. Sarah's dad seems quite religious. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Sarah has been speaking about the fact that she wants
Speaker 1: to have a sibling for Fox sometime soon. So he said, hey, Sarah,
Speaker 1: if you don't do this now, you'll never get married. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I mean the issue is as well that if
Speaker 1: she wants to have a baby soon, it will just
Speaker 1: push out the wedding later because she said before that
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to have her wedding while she's pregnant,
Speaker 1: so it does make sense. I think that her dad's
Speaker 1: giving her some good advice. I'm going to be a
Speaker 1: little bit cynical here, and as much as I really
Speaker 1: do want to watch the content, it is an interesting
Speaker 1: time that she's now announcing that she's suddenly interested in
Speaker 1: her wedding because she has just finished her renovation series
Speaker 1: on YouTube and there is one final episode to go,
Speaker 1: which is the unveiling of the project. But it seems
Speaker 1: like a very wise move, but also one that she's
Speaker 1: taken from a business perspective to start being, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to start planning my wedding and sharing that.
Speaker 1: I think that's an incredibly cynical way to look at it.
Speaker 1: That's what I said, introduces a cynical wedding. I think
Speaker 1: that she's merely just sharing her life. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think if she didn't share her wedding dress experience, or
Speaker 1: she didn't share her wedding, her followers would be very,
Speaker 1: very disappointed. I think that's a little naive. Yes, her
Speaker 1: job is to share her life, but she has become
Speaker 1: known for making quite a lot of money and monetizing
Speaker 1: her life events like the unveiling of Fox's name and
Speaker 1: his gender review and her whole pregnancy journey, Like those
Speaker 1: videos would have made her a lot of money, and
Speaker 1: I know there's a demand to see them, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying she is putting her business woman on and saying, Yep,
Speaker 1: the next lot of videos are going to be wedding focused.
Speaker 1: So what I don't get is why it suddenly makes
Speaker 1: someone so evil to be thinking like like I'm not saying,
Speaker 1: but there's always this connotation that she's always up to something.
Speaker 1: And when I watch that instant story, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, lots of people be excited by this because
Speaker 1: we all want to have a nosy look into her wedding,
Speaker 1: and lots of us have seen her relationship blossom with Kery.
Speaker 1: A lot of people saw her meet him. Now we're
Speaker 1: excited and we're invested as followers to see her wedding.
Speaker 1: So for me, I think that's kind of nice that
Speaker 1: she's sharing it with people. It's not I get what
Speaker 1: you're saying. It's going to get a lot of views,
Speaker 1: but let's be honest, most influencers money doesn't actually come
Speaker 1: from the YouTube views, it comes from the products they
Speaker 1: bring out. I am very interested to see, though, how
Speaker 1: much of the wedding is sponsored. Well, this might play
Speaker 1: into your hands a little bit, Kate with your theory.
Speaker 1: She did tag the name of the bridle store, which
Speaker 1: is Hope Times Page. I took a further look into it.
Speaker 1: The dresses range from about three thousand, five hundred to
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars and it's an appointment only boutique, so
Speaker 1: basically you have to pay thirty dollars to have a
Speaker 1: stylist there come and talk you through the dress. To me,
Speaker 1: that kind of sounds quite normal, though, Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have thought she, knowing her what her wealth potentially is like,
Speaker 1: she would have gone even to a more expense. So
Speaker 1: I'm more mean it played into your hands because she
Speaker 1: is tagging who presume movie she's getting a dressed through.
Speaker 1: And in no way am I saying that I am
Speaker 1: begrudging this because I cannot wait to see this footage.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's quite interesting the timing around. That
Speaker 1: being said, if you look broadly at influencers when they
Speaker 1: do share some of these small boutiques. It's actually great
Speaker 1: because it puts them in front of a huge new
Speaker 1: customer base of people, particular during the economic crisis. It
Speaker 1: is good that some of these people are getting extra exposure.
Speaker 1: Is it a Cronulla based bridal shop or did they
Speaker 1: it's half an hour out of Sydney. Oh interesting. Well
Speaker 1: what about Sarah's other news because she and Kurtive announce
Speaker 1: that they're dropping daily episodes of The Health Code, which
Speaker 1: is their podcast. Well I feel a bit ripped off
Speaker 1: because apparently the episodes are only five minutes long. It's
Speaker 1: a very clever business move from Sarah and Kurt if
Speaker 1: you think about it, they have a massive audience. I
Speaker 1: believe they've had around ten to twenty million downloads of
Speaker 1: their regular series, which is quite rare because they don't
Speaker 1: really upload on a regular basis. Yeah, it's very sporadic
Speaker 1: and if you think about it, they don't have to
Speaker 1: put a huge amount of effort into recording a quick,
Speaker 1: five minute, bite sized episode. They could literally record a
Speaker 1: bunch of them, have them all ready to go. They
Speaker 1: could put dynamic ads on each of those episodes, where
Speaker 1: you can earn quite a bit of money if you're
Speaker 1: getting ten million downloads. It's also obvious because they said
Speaker 1: that the episodes are only available on Spotify, So I'm
Speaker 1: guessing that there's a partnership between them and Spotify and
Speaker 1: they would be getting a considerable amount of money for well.
Speaker 1: Moving along, and someone else who's been popping up in
Speaker 1: our newsfeed is jar Da twint She okay, can you
Speaker 1: tell us what's happened there? Well? Jarda actually shared two
Speaker 1: months ago an update to her four hundred and forty
Speaker 1: four thousand followers on Instagram that she had received some
Speaker 1: bad news regarding her perapsmere, which is now known as
Speaker 1: a cervical cancer screening. So her doctor gave her a
Speaker 1: call and told her that some high grade abnormalities had
Speaker 1: been found during the test and that she would need
Speaker 1: to go have some further investigation. Jarda also mentioned that
Speaker 1: she had been diagnosed with the HPV virus, which is
Speaker 1: a very common virus that a lot of people now
Speaker 1: know about since they've changed the screening process. So I
Speaker 1: just thought it was fantastic that she was raising awareness
Speaker 1: for something that so many people don't talk about. And
Speaker 1: two days ago, she gave us a little bit of
Speaker 1: an update, saying she'd had a biopsy taken of her
Speaker 1: cervix and it did confirm that there were high grade
Speaker 1: abnormalities and she is going to have to book in
Speaker 1: to have a LEAP procedure, which is basically a procedure
Speaker 1: where they shave a little bit of affected cells and
Speaker 1: hope to remove the cells. Now that the new testing
Speaker 1: has been introduced, there are so many women that are
Speaker 1: getting back these results that they have HPV and that
Speaker 1: there are cell changes because the test is completely different
Speaker 1: to what it was like a while ago. Well, I
Speaker 1: think it's really great that she is normalizing it because
Speaker 1: so many women have had test results come back recently
Speaker 1: that say they have HPV because the testing has changed.
Speaker 1: So I think it's great. Well, to be completely honest,
Speaker 1: at the start of the year, I had a similar scare.
Speaker 1: I was caught up and told that I had low
Speaker 1: grade changes, and for me, it was really terrifying because
Speaker 1: it is such a new test that I didn't know
Speaker 1: whether it was normal or who else had experienced it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have heard that Sarah's Day had gone
Speaker 1: through something similar, and you do feel less alone when
Speaker 1: you hear that someone in the public eye has it
Speaker 1: and they are sharing their experience with you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I am lucky that mine are low grade at the moment.
Speaker 1: I do have to go back in a year and
Speaker 1: see if there have been more changes, which I'm obviously
Speaker 1: hoping not. Well. Like Sophie, I have been detected for
Speaker 1: having some very low grade changes as well, and I
Speaker 1: do have to go back and have perhaps mere now
Speaker 1: once every year to ensure that those changes are monitored.
Speaker 1: And it's quite a normal thing, but I feel like,
Speaker 1: as Sophie said, because it is a new test, people
Speaker 1: don't know. So when you get that call, I freaked out.
Speaker 1: I burst into tears because I didn't quite understand it,
Speaker 1: and in that moment, you don't take in everything the
Speaker 1: doctor is saying. And no, I just think it is so,
Speaker 1: as you said, so important that people get tested because
Speaker 1: to be completely transparent, I had put mine off for
Speaker 1: five years, which was a really stupid thing to do
Speaker 1: because you never know when these changes are going to occur.
Speaker 1: And it does give me some peace of mind now
Speaker 1: that I'm going to have one every year for the
Speaker 1: next little while. And I think, because we know cervical
Speaker 1: cancer is quite preventive if you do the right thing
Speaker 1: and get tested, obviously not in all circumstances, but you
Speaker 1: give yourself the best shot of picking something up sooner
Speaker 1: if you keep up to date with your tests. Just lastly,
Speaker 1: I feel like we have to touch on this one.
Speaker 1: People are annoyed yet again at Sophie Keshia. Yesterday she
Speaker 1: was caught out by instagram page Spellcheck for flouting Melbourne's
Speaker 1: restrictions again. Now she shared an instant story of herself
Speaker 1: watching the Melbourne Vixen's victory, and slev Spellcheck did some
Speaker 1: incredible investigation. They noticed that in the television screen there
Speaker 1: were two people sitting on her couch who should not
Speaker 1: have been there, and she didn't also make it half
Speaker 1: obvious by the fact that she served up an enormous
Speaker 1: platter full of food for apparently herself and her children.
Speaker 1: This is just so frustrating. I'm just so sick of
Speaker 1: her thinking she is above the rules. And surprisingly she's
Speaker 1: since deleted the Instagram story. It's just so arrogant, like
Speaker 1: what needs to be done for her to get it
Speaker 1: through her head that she's not more important than everyone else? Scary,
Speaker 1: ben new, isn't it.
Speaker 3: That's the way the kids will threaten to beat you
Speaker 3: up and call your names like Briefcase Wanka.
Speaker 1: It's not been like that.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't for me either.
Speaker 1: The privilege of the AFL continues, with special allowances made
Speaker 1: to ensure the Brownload Metal went ahead on Sunday night.
Speaker 1: What you guys think about this? Because I was appalled.
Speaker 1: Are we really surprised? I mean the AFL have been
Speaker 1: able to get away doing whatever they want this year
Speaker 1: because it seems that money talks in this in this country,
Speaker 1: and the AFL seems to be above everybody. Done. A
Speaker 1: boys club talks as well. The AFL players they've been
Speaker 1: granted special privileges all year long. Yeah, and then they
Speaker 1: seem to think, oh, they've sacrificed a lot. Well, they've
Speaker 1: got to continue playing the game that they've wanted to
Speaker 1: play when so many other people are out of jobs,
Speaker 1: when so many other people haven't even seen their family
Speaker 1: for months on end. Well, and I know we've seen
Speaker 1: special privileges in relation to them being allowed to, you know,
Speaker 1: do what they want in Queensland, but I was quite
Speaker 1: shocked the AFL allowed Victorian teams to come back to
Speaker 1: Melbourne and hold celebrations in a venue in Melbourne. Really
Speaker 1: what And this is before any changes to the lockdown,
Speaker 1: or despite the changes, this still isn't allowed in the
Speaker 1: current lockdown. Well, it makes me really concerned about what
Speaker 1: is going to happen when the Grand Final happens next week.
Speaker 1: They're going to be secret Grand Final parties that are happening.
Speaker 1: Are they going to be you know, people parading through
Speaker 1: the streets? Who knows what is going to go on?
Speaker 1: Just to clarify, Melbourne players were at Channel seven studios
Speaker 1: in Melbourne and there were other teams celebrating in different
Speaker 1: locations around the country. Now, they were at socially distanced functions,
Speaker 1: so basically they were set up in a way where
Speaker 1: people were Supposedly the couples were one point five meters
Speaker 1: apart from other couples. Yeah, I just think it's all
Speaker 1: for show. I mean, I doubt they were keeping their
Speaker 1: distance once the cameras stopped rolling and they had a
Speaker 1: few drinks into them. What pisces me off though, is
Speaker 1: literally every Christmas event has been canceled, Like you can't
Speaker 1: go to carols by candlelight they're all you know, all
Speaker 1: the local Christmas events have been canceled. But oh we
Speaker 1: can go sit in a football stadium and watch the game,
Speaker 1: and the AFL players can do whatever they want and
Speaker 1: socialize and dream can It's ridiculous. As much as I'm
Speaker 1: cut about Christmas celebrations being canceled, I would be beside
Speaker 1: myself if I had had a family member pass away
Speaker 1: during COVID and they were only allowed to have ten
Speaker 1: people or twenty people at their funeral, and then this
Speaker 1: shit's going on. Yeah, it's ridiculous. What did you guys
Speaker 1: think about the whole red carpet situation, because obviously there
Speaker 1: wasn't a red carpet in the traditional sense, but the
Speaker 1: wags very much did show off their clothing. Did you
Speaker 1: see it as maybe a distraction for everyone in Melbourne,
Speaker 1: you know, a nice thing to look at the fashion
Speaker 1: out there because everyone's been stuck inside in their lounge
Speaker 1: where or did you see it as quite tone deaf?
Speaker 1: I gotta say I thought it was tone deaf people
Speaker 1: showing off their wealth and wearing expensive fancy dresses to
Speaker 1: an event when Melbourne has been in lockdown for so long. Now.
Speaker 1: Oh look, I'm in two minds because you know we're
Speaker 1: ragging on the AFL, But I can see the positives
Speaker 1: of having the AFL season go ahead because it does
Speaker 1: bring a lot of joy to a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are stuck at home. People love watching the football.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that you think people would like the dresses.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I'm saying the same thing goes I
Speaker 1: suppose with the brown Let's be honest, most people watch
Speaker 1: it to see what the wives and the girlfriends are wearing.
Speaker 1: That being said, they were told by the AFL that
Speaker 1: it wasn't essential to stick to the black tie dress code.
Speaker 1: In saying that, as we touched them before with Sarah
Speaker 1: promoting the Bridal Bridal boutique, is it good for some
Speaker 1: of the wags to be promoting some of these designers
Speaker 1: who were probably struggling as well. Look, there's positive and negatives.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just putting myself in the shoes of
Speaker 1: people that are in the lockdown at the moment, and
Speaker 1: it would piss me off if I saw these wags
Speaker 1: showing off the beautiful dresses they were wearing in the events,
Speaker 1: nicking well, why are you above me?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I get that about the fact that they're at an
Speaker 1: event that they probably shouldn't be at, but I also think, well,
Speaker 1: what are they meant to wear to this were they
Speaker 1: meant to rock up in the tracking dat just off
Speaker 1: the topic of fashion. I was really frustrated because on
Speaker 1: the same day of the brown Low, the Melbourne Vixens
Speaker 1: won the sun Corps Supernetbull Premiership. Now this is a
Speaker 1: massive story, well should be a massive story in Victoria,
Speaker 1: and it was relegated to a one page article in
Speaker 1: the Herald Sun. The Brownlow took up the front page
Speaker 1: and the back page. Yeah exactly, So there's a little
Speaker 1: insert of the fact that, yeah, the Vixens had won
Speaker 1: about you know, very small, and then the full page
Speaker 1: photo on the front and back page was of Lucky
Speaker 1: Neil winning the Brownlow. This pissed me off because not
Speaker 1: only did they not really get much coverage on the
Speaker 1: front or the back page, you know, the one article inside,
Speaker 1: but the AFL had a total of eleven pages of
Speaker 1: content in the newspaper. So there were five pages about
Speaker 1: Brownlow fashion, a double page spread about the night, and
Speaker 1: then four pages about the AFL Grand Final. Now, if
Speaker 1: the Richmond Tigers had won the Grand Final, I'm sure
Speaker 1: they would have not had one page written about them.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is a sort of a political
Speaker 1: thing whereas the AFL are saying to the paper, look,
Speaker 1: if you want to cover the AFL Grand Final, you
Speaker 1: have to print about the brownlow and all of that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Or do you think it's the fact
Speaker 1: that most people care more about the football than they
Speaker 1: do about the net Well, I think they would perceive
Speaker 1: that most people care. But I mean, you've got to
Speaker 1: look at the huge number of women who want to
Speaker 1: be seeing more female sports publicized in the paper. I
Speaker 1: don't get why they couldn't, you know, have the brown
Speaker 1: way on the front of the paper and the netball
Speaker 1: on the back, like not have what do you need both? Well,
Speaker 1: the thing that annoys me is if it was the
Speaker 1: rich men women's football team that had won, they probably
Speaker 1: would have put it on the back page. And that
Speaker 1: was my point about the AFL. The AFL seemed to
Speaker 1: have a monopoly on the newspaper and they seem to,
Speaker 1: you know, advantage different media who cover all of their
Speaker 1: various men's and women's events. You know, working in the media,
Speaker 1: we are aware that the AFL tell journalists that if
Speaker 1: you don't promote the women's AFL then we will not
Speaker 1: give you access to the men. So it makes it
Speaker 1: incredibly tough for other female sports because at the moment
Speaker 1: there is a quota where really journalists will only put
Speaker 1: in one female based sports story. I used to work
Speaker 1: as a communication manager for the Adelaide Thunderbirds and it
Speaker 1: was so difficult to get coverage about their sport in
Speaker 1: the paper. So I'm really shocked though, because I would
Speaker 1: have thought winning a Grand Final might give you some
Speaker 1: good coverage. I think what also caps off this quite
Speaker 1: vulgar display from the AFL is the fact that they
Speaker 1: cry poor, yet then have the money to dig up
Speaker 1: the dirt from the MCG, put it in a truck
Speaker 1: where the grass the grass, the dirt on the grass
Speaker 1: from the MCG, put it in a refrigerated truck and
Speaker 1: drive it all the way to Queensland. I actually thought
Speaker 1: the fuck. I actually thought this was a joke, Like,
Speaker 1: what the hell Are they that pick headed that they
Speaker 1: think the MCG turf is so sacred that it needs
Speaker 1: to be flown or driven to Queensland? What the hell?
Speaker 1: It's the most absurd thing I think I've ever heard. Well,
Speaker 1: one takeaway point is the AFL season will be over
Speaker 1: next week, but I'm just guessing there's going to be
Speaker 1: a bit of uproar over everyone's Mad Monday celebration. That's
Speaker 1: that's what will be. Apparently it's been canceled, but we'll wait. Well,
Speaker 1: I am intrigued to see that now the season is over.
Speaker 1: Where the Hannah Orville who dates a North Melbourne player,
Speaker 1: whether she will finally return home or wish whether she
Speaker 1: will stay in Queensland living it up with her brother.
Speaker 1: I would put a bet on the fact that she'll
Speaker 1: be staying there with her mother, Sharon, who is now
Speaker 1: a Queensland resident. Well, that's probably all we have time for.
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