WEBVTT - ELIMINATED QUEENS Week 5 - RUPAUL'S DRAG RACE DOWN UNDER - Reality TV Contestant 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.520 TV Reload, the podcast past week that might welcome back 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:06.760 gys to TV Reload. As you may know, my name 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.280 is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast to get 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.760 all the inside goss on the popular TV shows you 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.840 may be watching from around the world. Undeniably, our TV 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:17.200 sets are a major part of our home entertainment, and 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.760 yet very little is known about how our favorite shows 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.320 get made. 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It is the fabulous Ashley Madison. 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.120 The Melbourne based drag queen started her career over eight 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:54.600 years ago and is now a staple amongst the ever 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:58.320 increasing queer entertainers we have in Australia, even starting our 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.720 own talent agency book A Queen, which I'm sure is 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.880 going to go gang busters over the next few years. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.200 This is in Some viewers found Ashley Madison a bit 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.880 savage to start with, but after a hit Snatch Game 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.120 performance as Jesus, she quickly developed a cult following around 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.759 the world down Under. It will not be the same 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.200 without her, and today we are going to unpack the 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.920 third season like never before. I will find out how 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.200 Ashley's Jesus character was received by Rue Paul and if 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.120 producers tried to censor her. We will talk bump a 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.240 Love and what the truth is behind their past relationship 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.480 and how that has affected this season. Ashley will open 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.840 up about her inner saboteur, why she thought she probably 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.560 couldn't do season three, and what she thinks of an 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.520 all star season for next year. Plus, we will get 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.400 plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes of RuPaul's Drag 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.000 Race down Under, which is now available to watch on 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:52.080 STAN Australia. Full disclosure, as I was recording this episode, 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.240 I did have a power outage and my audio doesn't 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.520 sound as polished as usual, so I kind of apologize 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.360 for that, and I hope you can put up with it. Anyway. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.640 Let's bring Ashley Madison into the podcasting guys. I hope 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.120 you enjoy this very special look at RuPaul's Drag Race 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.200 Week five. Hi Ashley, how are you? Hi? 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:11.799 How are you? 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.200 I'm actually really good. You know what's really funny was 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.840 that I was driving along Chapel Street on Sunday, you know, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.079 just had to pop down to JB Hi Fi, and 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.200 you walked past, like you literally were at the window 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.239 of my car as you walk past, and I straightway 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.880 rang my partner to be like, oh my god, there's 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.360 RuPaul's Drag Race queens walking past the car. 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.000 A are you stalking me? 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.200 One? I love a good stork. But you know what 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.040 was really surprising as well was I'm really shocked at 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:39.800 how tall you are. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.040 Well, yeah, i mean I'm six foot two, so you know, 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:44.440 and then and then you tuck on heels and you 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:45.240 tuck on a wig. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:45.959 And that gets even bigger. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.359 Well, I'm assuming that you were heading down to the Emerson, 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:53.160 which is like a popular Sunday haunt for us. Melbournian's right, absolutely, yeah, yeah. 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.200 I wasborn in menimous, and I think we did. 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.040 Being out at the clubs of Melbourne. What is it 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.360 that the partners are coming up and talking to you about, 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:00.720 Like what do they want to know when they get 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:02.560 a chance to meet you face to face? Oh? 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.160 Well, in the last week it's been Snatch Game. You know, 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.600 everyone everyone wants to talk about Snatch Game. Everyone wants 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.200 to talk about Jesus. Everyone wants to talk about, you know, 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.760 how good they thought the character was or whatever. And 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.480 that's been lovely. I mean everyone, it's interesting now. Obviously 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.440 I came across apparently quite caddie or quite bitchy in 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.680 the first couple episodes, but it's now interesting that people 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:23.640 will come up to me and they're like, I didn't 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.080 like it at the start, but I think I'm okay 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.400 with you now, and I'm like, great, that's an amazing 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:27.880 thing to hear. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.600 I think that the Snatch Game character is this season's 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.080 highlight for me. Like I think that there might be 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.120 other queens that are doing just a little bit better 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.400 job than what you've been doing all over, but that 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.880 particular moment is iconic, and I think that's what people 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.440 are going to remember this season. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:43.920 For I hope. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:48.040 So, I mean it's been very divisive, you know, and 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.280 we mentioned that when we filmed the show, we don't 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:52.600 know how this is going to come across, and we 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.360 don't know how people are going to feel, but you know, 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.680 it'll leave its mark no matter which way. 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.960 How nervous were you though that you might offend audience 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.280 is because were you worried that, you know, you'd be 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.560 savaged online by taking on, you know, our religious character 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:06.920 like that. 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:07.960 There was a concern. 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.120 Obviously, I've had a couple of months to come to 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.560 terms with the fact that that might have been a reality, 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:17.280 and so I kind of prepared for that mentally, knowing 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.880 that that could come. You know, I'm more like when 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.800 it came to drag Race, I was more worried about 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.720 you know, offending my peers than than than you know, 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:25.920 right wing religious folk. 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:27.239 But I was quite concerned. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:31.039 But then I realized when watching the episode that you know, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.000 Rue and Michelle and Reese all said that I'd done 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.400 it quite respectfully, and so I was hopeful that that 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.880 was going to make the cut, so that like, you know, 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.960 the audience would feel that way too, and thankfully it did. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.919 Were there conversations with producers or with Rue before you 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.640 actually took it on, Like, were there conversations about how 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.400 far you could go? Was there any nervousness. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:54.279 Or well, I didn't have any conversations with producers when 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.880 it came to whether or not I could do Jesus. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.279 I mean when when we're preparing, we are asked to 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.960 like tell them what our ideas are, you know, because 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:03.880 I believe there are some characters that you can't do. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.039 But I told them I wanted to Jesus. They didn't 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:07.640 have any issue with that. There was a lot of 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:09.040 conversation in the walk. 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:09.480 Through with Ruth. 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.640 They didn't quite make the cut in the edit about 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:15.760 Jesus in the back because obviously she's she's is religious. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:16.400 In some way or another. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.839 And so my my worry really walking walking into that, 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.359 because I prepared most for Jesus. My worry was that 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:23.640 I was going to walk in and was going to 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.640 be like, absolutely not. But thankfully that didn't happen. 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:27.839 But Rus seemed. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.480 Ruth sense of humor is kind of like an old 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.159 sense of humor, you know, they like to laugh at 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.520 the things that are a little bit riskuy, and so 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.279 I think that really played into me being successful in 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:38.880 sept Gem too. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:39.520 Who are these. 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:40.440 Characters that you can't do? 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.919 Like? Do you know that? Is that like an underground 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.760 known thing that there's some characters that you're not allowed 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:46.120 to touch? 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.200 So I I will say I haven't been told by 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:53.160 any producers or anything that that that I can't do anything, 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.320 But there's there's been rumors on on the grapevine that 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.360 Chris Lilly characters are not allowed. 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.799 That there was a rumored that the Dame Edna. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.599 Wasn't allowed because of her transphobic comments, but obviously that 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.760 changed in season two. I guess yeah, But I believe 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.039 that the Chris Lily characters, so no Jamay and obviously 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.280 no like Jonah from Tonga or anything like that, because 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.680 you know, you can't go on and write Jimmay on 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:17.559 that piece of paper. You have to write Chris Lily. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.040 So that might be the issue there. I believe we 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.960 also are allowed to do Pauline Hanson because she's too 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:22.600 likely to suit. 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:24.760 I kind of think, you know, if someone did do 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.640 a Chris Lily character, they might do it better than him. 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:28.760 So maybe that's the concern. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:30.479 That's definitely possible. 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.160 Do you know what it comes to snatch game. Everyone 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.360 wants to know how long you're actually sitting there and 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.839 doing it. Is it a lot longer experience or is 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:39.880 that exactly how it happens. 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:41.719 That's more or less exactly how it happens. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:43.719 When we're not there for long, I mean, we're not 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.479 told in advance how many questions we're going to be asked. 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:48.520 So we're sitting there, like, we don't know if it's 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:49.880 we don't know if it's three, we don't know if 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:51.200 it's five, we don't know if it's ten. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.799 We were asked four. We were asked four questions. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.000 I think we were maybe there sitting there for like 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.280 thirty minutes or so, and Rue just goes down the 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.279 line and she asked each person the answer to each question, 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.360 and then you know, afterwards, production decides which ones are 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.680 funny enough and which one's you know, bomb enough to 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:08.719 make the cut. 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.520 But we're not really there for long, and so I 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:12.400 think people have this. 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.160 People have this opinion that you've got to like go 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.240 somewhere with your character, and you've got to like to 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:17.160 be highs and lows. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:18.920 It's very difficult to do that in the short amount 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:20.080 of time that you're allocated and. 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.240 Everything was put on the show, so there was nothing censored. Well, 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:24.280 there was nothing censored. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.600 I don't think that there was anything that was necessarily 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.520 like offensive or anything that I said that they cut out. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:31.360 I was a little I was a little worried that 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.440 they were going to cut out my two thousand years 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:34.440 a guy I was black comment. 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.920 I was worried that that wasn't going to make the cut. 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.560 There was a joke I said in there because I 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.920 in the edit, I didn't answer the the Jason Momoa one, 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.760 and I said something along the lines of like Moses 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:48.840 led men through the desert for forty years, which just 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.840 goes to show that even back then, men couldn't ask 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.120 for directions. And reu loved at that too. But obviously 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.400 they're probably not going to show everybody's answers for everything. 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.320 But I guess that one was maybe the least funniest 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:57.800 that they showed. 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:58.760 I guess, well, I love this. 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:00.280 For you because you know that for the rest of 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:01.520 your life people are going to be talking to you 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:02.440 about that snatch game. 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:04.640 Well, I hope, so you know, I'm glad that I 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.760 went on and did something successfully. No, I don't know, 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:07.320 you were great. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.120 I mean the thing for me was that you started 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:13.040 super strong, like I love that sort of not bitchy, 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.280 because I didn't necessarily think it was that bitchy anyway, 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.320 but I love that stronger drag Queens style that you 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.600 were doing right at the start. But you definitely saw 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.640 the wheels come off this week. Sorry about the Bear 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.960 Mex Bandit's accidental pun there. I mean, I really didn't 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:28.600 think i'd be talking to you today. I thought I 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.600 would be talking to Bumper, But here we are. What 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.319 was going on in your head? Because I felt like 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.040 it was teased last episode that you were going to 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.439 start to feel less confident, and that it was sort 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.800 of in full swing by the time we were watching 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.280 this episode. What happened. 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.320 I think what happened was I when I got cast 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.719 with Drag Race, I wasn't one hundred percent sure why 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:50.400 I was cast. I was happy to be cast, and 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:51.640 I was happy to go on and have a fun 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.360 time and meet Rue and show the world to I 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.720 am but I'm not someone that's like, oh, I'm amazing 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.160 at this, and I'm you know, I'm great on whatever. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.160 And as much as that may have come across in 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.400 the show, that's all of us sad that, you know 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.680 Drake Quen's build up over their career. So I walked 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.640 onto the show being like, I'm not I'm not going 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.000 to make it more than halfway. I didn't even prepare 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:11.720 a finale dress. I didn't even get one made because 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:13.160 I didn't think that I was going to make it 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.839 to the end. And then winning Snatch Game, I think 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:17.800 broke me a little bit because I was like, wait, wait, 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.839 who wha, whoa, I've done something successfully here, Like I 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:22.080 did something well. 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:22.800 I didn't. 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.079 I didn't even fathom that that was a possibility for me, 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.320 And then I started kind of questioning why I never 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.920 thought of that for myself and why I've. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.280 Come in with this idea that I was going to 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.120 go home and I think once I want Snash Game. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:36.760 I was like, I don't know what else I have 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:37.320 to show here. 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:38.640 I don't know what else I have to give, because 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.360 I feel like I've shown I've shown everything, and I've 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:42.160 had such a high. 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:43.440 It's all going to be down from here. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.120 You know, it's a really interesting thing that you talk 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:49.440 about this, because you know, winning Snatch Game and doing 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.840 such a great job at that I would have thought 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.440 would be giving you the confidence to be like, well, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:56.520 I'm going to pull this together and I've got a 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.640 level up because I felt like the character leveled up 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:00.880 and I definitely feel like it's in you. You know, 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.800 watching the show, you could definitely see that you could 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.319 be one of Australia's best drag queens that we've ever 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.319 had on the show. It's interesting how that inner saboteur 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.440 comes into the minds of people when they're in that place. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:14.880 But it is disappointing to hear that. You know, going 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.120 into this competition, you thought, why are they picking me? 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.760 What could they possibly have to gain by putting you 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.960 in the show if if they didn't think you were ready. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.040 I mean there's a lot that they could because you know, 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:26.840 you've got to have There's always there's always a queen. 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:28.679 I just I didn't know what I didn't know what 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.280 my place was because in drag Race that there tends 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:32.800 to be there, tends to be placed there, tends to 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.960 be like one legendary queen. There's always like one lipstick assassin, 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.520 and there's always one one bitchy character. There's always a 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.559 comedy queen, like there's all there's always these like specific 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.800 people that are really good at at one thing, and 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.760 and when I got cast, I wasn't sure where I 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.079 fit in that And because dun unders so small, I 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.559 walked into drag Race knowing who the entire cast was 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.120 prior to walking into that workroom, and I still couldn't. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:58.760 Quite work out where I fit. 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.439 I mean, I run I run a booking agency, and 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.440 I run a jewelry business, and I've worked with Bumper 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.160 and isis a lot. So I thought that maybe that 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.120 was the roles that I was going to play. But 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.719 looking back at the season that's aired so far, I 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.040 think that I was cast to be someone that was 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.400 going to have opinions and was going to be opinionated 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:17.920 and was going to speak what to my mind and 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.520 do all these different kinds of things. Like like we mentioned, 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.520 my reputation was in that first episode, but I don't 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.440 think that like the producers or whoever cast me really 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.280 realized that, Like I'm a real person underneath it, and 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.079 I and I you know, I have faults and I 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.240 think about my faults, and I think that that all 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:34.280 came out in this episode. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:35.920 This is what I say to everyone, if you just 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.400 relax into your insanity and unpack your bag of shit 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.559 in front of the camera that resonates with audiences. I 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.719 think better than being the most creative or you know, 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:47.439 the person who can sew the best, do you know 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:47.800 what I mean? 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.320 Yeah, And it's interesting because I thought the same thing, 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.839 and especially in episode one when I broke down, I 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:55.959 was like, I spoke to the producers afterwards and I 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.480 was like, I'm hoping that this comes across like vulnerable, 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.920 and this comes across real because I want people to 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.880 show I want people to see who who I am. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:04.959 And it was interesting looking back to the way that 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.040 that ends up being edited, because I looked at it 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.439 and I was like, that's That's not how it was 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.199 in the moment because I when I sat there on 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:12.920 that on that couch and I took off my lashes 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:14.880 and I started crying. The first thing I said was, 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.640 I'm so embarrassed to be in this position in front 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.439 of Bumper and isis because I have so much respect 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.400 for Bumper and Isis you know, Bumper gave me my 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.360 career in Isis It's been an inspiration for my career 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.599 this whole time. And I really spoke about how I 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.439 was embarrassed to be in this position in front of 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.640 them for such a small problem and that I could 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.800 go home in the first episode because of that small problem. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:32.959 Then then when it aired, it was like, well, well, 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.920 Ash's crying and I was like, oh okay, especially when 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.360 Ivory had a lot of the same kind of embarrassment feelings. 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.680 Then she cried and it came across quite vulnerable. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.319 And there was even a moment that we filmed where 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.440 they took as they took me out into the car 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.520 park with Gabriella and had any cry out there too, 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:48.760 that didn't make it didn't make the cut either. So 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.160 there's all of these really emotional parts that happened in 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.120 that first episode that didn't make it to air. And 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:54.920 maybe that's because they knew that this was coming, you know, 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:56.319 when they were editing it all together, that they knew 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.439 that I was going to be vulnerable eventually. But you know, 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.319 it's it's hard hard looking back and being like, you know, 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.319 be vulnerable in all of those moments. But it's interesting 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.520 that some of those vulnerable moments can be taken from 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.560 you and be edited in a way that is a. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.719 Bit like, oh, well, you know, poor her, you know. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.679 Yeah, it's an interesting it's an interesting show. But I 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.000 guess you've kind of leaned into something there, which is 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.199 maybe a bit of a tease to this answer. But 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.880 you know, last week I noticed something a little unusual, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.079 which was you complimenting Bumper and saying that you know, 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.360 Bumper should be in the top two or top three. 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.880 I'm sort of paraphrasing here, but it seemed like you 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.280 were not necessarily being genuine And then Floor called you 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.520 out for it and said, is that true? And so 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.760 I was trying to work out your motivations. Why would 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.240 you want to give Bumper a compliment. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:43.319 Like, well, it's interesting. 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.240 So I guess I've got a question for you if 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.160 it wasn't because obviously we're walking into this situation going 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:49.600 there's going to be a top three and bottom three, 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.640 So who would you have put in that position instead 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:52.040 of Bumper? 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.400 Definitely wouldn't have put Bumper. It was not an obvious choice. 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.720 It was not I did not think that Bumper deserved 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.040 to be in the top three. It seemed like an 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.040 odd choice for you, And. 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:02.920 That's an interesting I guess that that all comes down 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.320 to the way that things were shown on the episode, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.760 because you know, I look at Holly Snatch Game that 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.360 that that happened, and I know for a fact that 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.719 there were zero laughs that happened when we filmed that, 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.319 and now there's there's there's laughs in the edit. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.319 And so when it came to the Snatch Game, I 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.320 was looking at it and I was going, Okay, so 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:21.120 Holly got no laughs. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.600 So she there's there's no way that she could be 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.120 in the top three with us, and I obviously read 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.640 Reader got none and so and I really feel for 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.160 her in that moment. So I was like, Okay, so 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:34.120 it's not Reader and Flaw. Flaw was Charro and she 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:35.840 was a chari to an intro into an inch of 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.600 her life. But it wasn't necessarily funny, and it was 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.720 interesting because you know, and you know, you'll you know, 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.600 I guess at some stage you'll talk to Bumper about this. 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.200 But Bumpa did get laughs in Snatch Game, and the 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.320 first half of her Snatch Game was funny, and she 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.240 did have this character that that that that she put on, 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.520 and so when I was thinking about it, I was like, well, 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.960 I guess I guess it's Bumper or Gabriella. It could 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:57.760 be it could be either of those two. And so 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:59.360 in that moment, I was like, I mean, I guess 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.760 it's Bumper. It's interesting that afterwards it looks like, you know, 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.640 I may have been playing tricks, or I may have 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.840 been delusional or whatever, But in that moment, I absolutely 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.680 and legitimately thought, if there's a top three, I thought 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:11.160 Bumper was. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:11.560 There with us. 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.120 I'm a viewer watching the edit, and I assumed the 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.360 same thing. Flaw did. She called you out for it, 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:20.160 so you know, it obviously was more than just the 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.200 way in which you know or maybe the lack of 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:23.160 what the audience saw. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:24.280 I don't think that. 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.400 I think if you watch it back, Flaw wasn't necessarily 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.080 calling me out on the fact that she thinks that 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:33.080 Bumper was high because she's got her own opinions of Bumper, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.360 especially in that exact moment. I know Bumper and Floor 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.840 get along very well now, but in that moment there 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.880