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Speaker 1: Jum Mission with James and Amanda Well.

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Speaker 2: James Randy has passed away at the age of ninety two.

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Speaker 2: He was sort of an acclaimed magician and escape artist,

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Speaker 2: but in Australia, I think we knew he was Canadian.

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Speaker 2: In Australia, we knew him better as a guy who

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Speaker 2: tried to debunk psychics. So it goes on shows like

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Speaker 2: the Don Lane Show and things like that. He challenged

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Speaker 2: claims of the paranormal and other inexplicable phenomena, saying all

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Speaker 2: were based on exaggerated stories, media hype or physical manipulation.

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Speaker 2: And he put up a million dollars to anyone who

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Speaker 2: could demonstrate a supernatural or paranormal phenomenon under mutually agreed

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Speaker 2: scientific controlled conditions, and no one ever managed to do so.

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Speaker 2: So Uri Gala do you remember Ury Gala, He's come

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Speaker 2: on the midday show. Yeah, he said he could bend

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Speaker 2: spoons with his mind. James Randy claims that he was

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Speaker 2: doing this with magnets, and James Randy was able to

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Speaker 2: do it as well. Yury Gella said no, no, I'm

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Speaker 2: doing this with my mind.

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Speaker 3: And you get the spoony. You rub it really hard

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Speaker 3: with him and then go whoo and then a droop

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Speaker 3: on down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was very annoying to having the kitchen.

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Speaker 3: Many other places i'd of maagine.

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Speaker 2: I remember once when he came, holy do.

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Speaker 3: That by rubbing the spoon really vigorously.

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Speaker 2: Well he there is Well James Randy said that apparently

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Speaker 2: was he was a phony and it was done with

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Speaker 2: some magnets. I think magnet would do that. I think so,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. But he said it was all slight

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Speaker 2: of hand and it was already slightly bent and softened

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Speaker 2: and he just manipulated it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But and this was in an era, era before the Mentalists,

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Speaker 3: remember the TV show The Mentalists with Patrick Jane. And

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Speaker 3: he just cold called people, so he would it was

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Speaker 3: just extra observant, so he could do psychic readings and

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Speaker 3: all that.

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Speaker 2: Well, have you ever seen the guy called Darren Brown,

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Speaker 2: if you get a chance to see his specials and

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Speaker 2: TV shows. He's English and he does all of this

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Speaker 2: psychic stuff. And he says, all I'm used is powers

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Speaker 2: of manipulation and psychology. So there's no trick to this,

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Speaker 2: there's no paranormal stuff going on here. It's extraordinary to

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Speaker 2: see what he does, which brings us to Doras Stokes.

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Speaker 2: Doris was a favorite on the Don Lane Show. She

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Speaker 2: was sort of like a a biddy. She looked like

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Speaker 2: an old biddy, didn't she She was an English spiritualist

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Speaker 2: and self proclaimed medium. She became a household name. She

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Speaker 2: said that she had psychic abilities, obviously, but investigating investigations

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Speaker 2: after she died found that she used techniques like cold reading,

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Speaker 2: which is where you just used powers of mental manipulation.

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Speaker 2: She planted accomplices in her audience to make it look

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Speaker 2: like she had paranormal abilities. But you can't tell Don

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Speaker 2: Lane that James Randy went onto the Don Lane Show

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Speaker 2: to debunk Doris Stokes and all hell broke loose.

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Speaker 1: What I am defending is you. You come over here

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Speaker 1: with this big reputation, You give us a lot of

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Speaker 1: lip service about all this stuff that you're going to prove.

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Speaker 1: You go against the lady like Doris Stokes, who never

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Speaker 1: harmed anybody in her whole life, and you call Hora

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Speaker 1: Charlotte and a fake you, yes, I do. You said

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Speaker 1: that she was a liar on the radio. You called

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Speaker 1: her a liar. No, and that woman wouldn't lie to anybody.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know whether she's right or wrong. She

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Speaker 1: wouldn't light to anybody went off for corrosial break and

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Speaker 1: you can.

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Speaker 3: Pick oh, Don, I don't know what's that. When it happened,

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Speaker 3: he stormed out and everyone was on Don's side. And

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Speaker 3: I didn't even realize what James Randy was. I just

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Speaker 3: thought he was a guy that was against Dawn.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, he's passed away at the age of

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Speaker 2: ninety two, and a lot of people say hats off

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Speaker 2: to James Randy, who debunked a lot of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: There would have been a rabbit in that hat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a magician, or a hair in your decks

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Speaker 1: With James and Amanda