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Speaker 1: Hello, Katie Wolvan three point sixty online at Mix one O.

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Speaker 2: Four nine dot com. Joining us live from Parliament House,

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Speaker 2: the Opposition leader Leah Finocchio.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Leah, Good morning Katie. I'm here listeners now, Leah.

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Speaker 2: We have just heard from from the Leader of Government

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Speaker 2: Business and Natasha Files that they are going to be

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Speaker 2: passing that legislation around youth crime on urgency. The devil's

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Speaker 2: going to be in the detail here, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: Oh, it absolutely is. I mean last sittings we had

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister saying that if people breach their bow

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Speaker 1: it would be an immediate revocation of that BOO. We've

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Speaker 1: just had the Minister come on now and say if

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Speaker 1: it was a serious breach of bail, so certainly a

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Speaker 1: lot of detail to combover. We haven't got a copy

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Speaker 1: of the bill yet. They haven't provided us an advanced

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Speaker 1: copy and it sounds like we won't be getting one

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Speaker 1: despite the fat we gave them an advanced copy of

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Speaker 1: our last sittings. Importantly, our legislation is still on the

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Speaker 1: table and on Wednesday we intend to debate our Boo reform,

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Speaker 1: which is quite different to what the government is proposing

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Speaker 1: and so we certainly hope the government will be supporting

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Speaker 1: us tomorrow and we can look to be supporting them

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Speaker 1: next week whenever it is that they bring their legislation on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the likelihood here though, of the Government supporting

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Speaker 2: the Colp's legislation is probably quite low. Just being Devil's advocate,

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Speaker 2: the situation is probably going to turn out that it

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Speaker 2: will be the Labor Party's legislation, whatever that might be

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Speaker 2: at this point in time, just given the fact that

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Speaker 2: they've got those sheer numbers. Leah, what are you going

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Speaker 2: to be looking out for in the legislation when you

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Speaker 2: do get the opportunity to see it. What do you

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Speaker 2: want to make sure is included? Well?

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, Kate. I think the government is

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Speaker 1: too arrogant to support our legislation and they've let territory

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Speaker 1: and suffer since last sittings when we had our legislation

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Speaker 1: ready to go. That doesn't mean we're not going to

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Speaker 1: keep trying, and I urge everyone to contact their local

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Speaker 1: Labor member and ask them to back the bill tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But next week we'll be combing over the detail. We

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Speaker 1: think they're gunna government are talking it up tougher than

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Speaker 1: what it might actually be. So we'll be combing over

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Speaker 1: that and making sure we hold the government to account

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Speaker 1: and that the legislation is going to put victims not

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Speaker 1: offenders first. You know what we do know is it

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Speaker 1: going to government a good at spin and heavy on

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Speaker 1: rhetoric and the rubber never hits the road. And so

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Speaker 1: we want to make sure that these reforms are going

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Speaker 1: to be supporting less victims, they are going to be

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Speaker 1: targeting repeat offenders and of course people who breach their bail.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll also be trying to keep a close eye

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Speaker 2: on exactly what is included in that legislation. I did

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Speaker 2: just say to the Leader of Government Business, Natasha Fhiles

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Speaker 2: there that even last week, you know, we saw a

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Speaker 2: situation where we've got pediatricians, clinicians, lawyers and human rights

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Speaker 2: experts joining forces to condemn the Northern Territory government's plans

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Speaker 2: to introduce what they've seen are some of the most

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Speaker 2: punitive youth justice laws in the country and reopen parts

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Speaker 2: of don Dale that was shut after the Royal Commission.

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Speaker 2: I am wondering whether we are going to see a

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Speaker 2: watering down of what the Labor government had initially proposed

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Speaker 2: because let's face it, they are copying quite a bit

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Speaker 2: of stick from every angle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and I wouldn't be surprised at all. And

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Speaker 1: the fact that they've funneled more money into the old

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Speaker 1: don Dale also shows how incompetent they are. I mean

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Speaker 1: they are building a brand new use justice facility as

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Speaker 1: we speak. They promise this from opposition, where five years

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Speaker 1: down the track of their government and they still haven't

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Speaker 1: built the thing and it only has thirty beds. And

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Speaker 1: so here we are spending millions more dollars on don

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Speaker 1: Dale whilst we've got a fifty to seventy million dollar

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Speaker 1: facility going up out near the adult correctional facility. It's

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Speaker 1: a complete mess. This use justice space is a total

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Speaker 1: joke and people are tired and sick of it. Interestingly, Katie,

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Speaker 1: whilst the Gunner government have received a lot of opposition

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Speaker 1: to their reform, as far as I'm aware, we haven't

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Speaker 1: received any concerns about our So if that says anything,

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Speaker 1: it tells me the government should be backing out and

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Speaker 1: we're back. There's next week.

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Speaker 2: Lea. Just let's head across and talk about the budge.

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Speaker 2: We know that it is going to be handed down

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Speaker 2: at eleven o'clock. Still no real idea at this point

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Speaker 2: in time exactly how it's going to look. The Chief

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Speaker 2: Minister though yesterday saying that there would still be some

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Speaker 2: eyewatering numbers. Look, I think that we've got to make

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Speaker 2: sure that we see some change in this space when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the level of spending.

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Speaker 1: They can't just keep going like this, and I'm worried

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Speaker 1: that if it doesn't, you know, if the debt actually

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Speaker 1: hasn't hit the eight point four billion as was predicted,

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Speaker 1: the Gunner government are going to try and spin this

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Speaker 1: and herald it as some sort of amazing feat. The

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Speaker 1: reality is the levels of debt we have are just

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Speaker 1: not sustainable. They're crippling the territory. They burden future generations,

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Speaker 1: and of course they mean we can't invest in projects,

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Speaker 1: We can't invest in expanding health and a policing situation,

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Speaker 1: our education environment. I mean, these are the things you

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Speaker 1: need money for and the government has just blown it

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Speaker 1: all against the wall because they don't have a strategic

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Speaker 1: plan for the territory. Their lack of measures around budget

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Speaker 1: restraint are astonishing. We constantly asked about infrastructure overspends, the

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Speaker 1: blowout and the millions, if not tens of millions. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this government really has very little regard for how it

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Speaker 1: spends Territorian's money, and it hasn't done anything to grow

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Speaker 1: our private sector. We still haven't seen any meaningful change

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Speaker 1: to grow our economy, and that's the only way we're

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Speaker 1: going to get over source revenue in. We can't slash

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Speaker 1: and burn the place. We've got to open up our economy,

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Speaker 1: and this government is just incapable of doing what's needed

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Speaker 1: to ensure we are a fantastic place to invest.

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Speaker 2: Well, Leah, there is no doubt so that plenty of people,

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Speaker 2: including myself and including yourself I'm sure, are going to

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Speaker 2: be going through that budget with a fine tooth comb

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Speaker 2: and trying to work it all out before I let

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Speaker 2: you go, Leah. We do know that the Howard Springs,

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Speaker 2: the management of the Howard Springs quarantine facility, the international

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Speaker 2: side of things changed as of yesterday, the Health Minister

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Speaker 2: confirming one hundred and sixty new staff and started out there.

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Speaker 2: She says, the ozmat team are still in there at

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Speaker 2: this point in time. All that transitioning. Does that go

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Speaker 2: far enough?

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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't, and Territorians are deeply concerned about this handover.

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Speaker 1: No one has been able to justify two Territorians why

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Speaker 1: the international side needs to come across under the control

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Speaker 1: of the Police Commissioner. I would have thought, and Territorians

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Speaker 1: certainly expect that with the crime that's happening at the moment,

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Speaker 1: we need the Police Commissioner focusing on crime and our

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Speaker 1: attrition rates as opposed to managing international quarantine, which has

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Speaker 1: been done exemplary.

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Speaker 2: So you tell both at once, well, that will.

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Speaker 1: Remain to be seen, but unfortunately it presents an enormous risk.

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Speaker 1: We've got a terrible crime crisis happening, and we've got

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Speaker 1: international quarantine which presents the single biggest risk of COVID

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Speaker 1: getting out into our community. So there are two enormous jobs.

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Speaker 1: OSMAT have done it to the gold standard. They have

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Speaker 1: been exemplary, and they're handling of that quarantine vicinility. And

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Speaker 1: I think what the Territory government isn't saying is how

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Speaker 1: much money they must be being paid by the federal

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Speaker 1: government to take that over. And I think, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just guessing, but if there's any budget improvement coming out

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Speaker 1: of today, I think it's going to because of a

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Speaker 1: stack of cash from the federal government for the territory

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Speaker 1: to take over international quarantine and you know, it's just

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Speaker 1: alarming that the spin again around this issue with the

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Speaker 1: numbers of staff being employed, whether or not Osmata pulling

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Speaker 1: out what the phasing out is going to be, and

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister won't even tell Territorians what our maximum

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Speaker 1: capacity of positive COVID cases is that we can handle.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of smoke and mirrors happening on

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Speaker 1: something that should not be a political tool. This is

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Speaker 1: an international quarantine facility. It has a nationally significant role

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Speaker 1: to play, but it's got to be done perfectly.

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Speaker 2: So Leah, I'm assuming that at this point in time

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Speaker 2: you don't think that the Federal government should be bringing

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Speaker 2: more flights in from India. You support that halting of

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Speaker 2: the flights at this point, well.

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily. I think what we need to know is

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Speaker 1: how many positive cases can the facility handle, and the

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister won't be open and honest with Territorians about that.

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Speaker 1: It's only when we know how many we can have

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Speaker 1: can we start to talk about bringing in more flights.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are Australians who need to be repatriated,

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Speaker 1: but they gain this misinformation, this smoke and mirrors around

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Speaker 1: what we can handle and what we can't handle is alarming.

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Speaker 1: If we had fifty two odd cases a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago and only thirty five now, it says to

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Speaker 1: me that there is capacity. But when you have a

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister and a Health Minister not wanting to give

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Speaker 1: people the clear information, that sends alarm bells that it

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Speaker 1: creates a feeling of lack of confidence in the system.

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Speaker 1: And what we need is absolute confidence that international quarantine

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Speaker 1: will operate as it has been once a government take

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Speaker 1: it over.

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Speaker 2: Leah, always good to catch up with you. We're going

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Speaker 2: to have to leave it there, talk to you later

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Speaker 2: in the week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, take care, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That is the opposition leader there, Leah Finocchiar own