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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio as he does most

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Speaker 1: Wednesday mornings. It is the Northern Territory Police Assistant Commissioner

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Speaker 1: Travis Worst. Good morning to you, morning, Katy. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning. Now, I do want

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Speaker 1: to just see if there's a bit of an update

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Speaker 1: on the situation with the nightcliff standoff. We know that

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Speaker 1: it was resolved just after one o'clock yesterday, has there

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Speaker 1: now been charges late, So.

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Speaker 2: The person who was taken into police custody as you

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Speaker 2: described one o'clock yesterday has now been charged with multiple

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Speaker 2: domestic violence related defenses including arivote, assault, deprivation of ubinian,

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Speaker 2: threats to kill, as well as two assaults on the

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Speaker 2: police who were assaulted during the course of that particular activity.

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Speaker 1: Goodness mate, what was the nature of the assaults towards

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Speaker 1: the police throwing.

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Speaker 3: Things at them?

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Speaker 2: He was obviously taking at a custody had to be

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Speaker 2: toased in the process. I mean, this is a really

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Speaker 2: unique circumstance. It doesn't happen very often the territory, but

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Speaker 2: we the Northern Charity Police have protocols, systems and processes

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Speaker 2: for managing We trained for this sort of activity where

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Speaker 2: we've got a dangerous situation. So this has been described

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Speaker 2: as a siege. Call it what you will, but or

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Speaker 2: we'll use that term. That circumstance where someone who is

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Speaker 2: not willing to leave their house is extremely dangerous, extremely

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Speaker 2: dangerous for police, for people in the area, for the community,

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Speaker 2: and it can end, and we've seen it in the

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Speaker 2: past that can end very badly. So the approach that

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Speaker 2: our officers took across the course of that particular extended period,

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Speaker 2: from my assessments, exactly how we train them, exactly what

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Speaker 2: we expect. We controlled considered using minimal force negotiating and

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Speaker 2: it doesn't always mean that it works immediately, but ultimately it

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Speaker 2: worked and no one was further hurt. So, but we've

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Speaker 2: got to look at this. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: there is a domestic violence victim sitting in hospital, still

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Speaker 2: being treated in relation to her injuries, and this man

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Speaker 2: has been charged in relation to the assault on that

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Speaker 2: particular So that's where this started.

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Speaker 1: And some pretty serious charges there. Aggravated assault two counts,

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Speaker 1: deprivation of liberty, threats to kill, contravening a devo six

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Speaker 1: counts of that, assaulting police two counts, as well as

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Speaker 1: hindering police.

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Speaker 4: So it does seem to me like it must.

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Speaker 1: Have been a pretty serious situation for the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police to then be and the number of police that

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Speaker 1: were outside of that home, you know, trying to get

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Speaker 1: this person out.

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Speaker 3: Look.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and there's a certain language that we use, but

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Speaker 2: we does require a significant policing response if something were

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Speaker 2: to happen, you need to have the immediate resources available

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Speaker 2: to control and contain a particular environment such as that.

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Speaker 2: The mere fact that there were lots of officers there

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Speaker 2: is exactly how we will respond to that in the

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Speaker 2: past and in the future. So I mean I've had

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Speaker 2: that question, asked me why there were so many Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because that's how we are trying to do the appropriate

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Speaker 1: And so in your opinion, because I know that people

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Speaker 1: that live in the area might have thought to themselves,

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Speaker 1: goodness me, you know, is this a bit over the top?

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Speaker 4: The street's been cordoned off, We're in.

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Speaker 1: A situation where we live in the street and it's

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Speaker 1: not business as usual for them. So it wasn't an

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Speaker 1: overreach by the Northern Territory Police in any way.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: The more officers in that circumstance actually builds that safety

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Speaker 2: around the response that we're able to provide. We can't

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Speaker 2: do certain things without significant resources around them, particularly if

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Speaker 2: we're negotiating or whatever the circumstance may be. As you

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Speaker 2: can see, it was managed and controlled at an operational level.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't trg in the bear cut. We kept it

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Speaker 2: as controlled as containers we could, and minimum force was used.

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Speaker 2: And I apologized for the members of the community, but

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Speaker 2: they actually should be very thankful the way in which

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Speaker 2: it was dealt with, because it was ultimately a safe

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Speaker 1: Now, speaking of those resources, we know that the annual

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Speaker 1: Police Conference it was held last week and it was

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Speaker 1: revealed that we are more than two hundred police officers short.

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Speaker 1: How are you gLing this shortage from an operational perspective?

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Speaker 2: And I'm aware of the sort of the language that

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Speaker 2: was used at the conference. Interestingly, in the last twelve months,

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Speaker 2: we've had one hundred and ninety eight police officers graduate

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Speaker 2: two hundred one hundred and two. I got that around

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Speaker 2: the wrong way. One hundred and two currently being trained

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Speaker 2: police officer's auxiliaries within the call, within the college, some

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Speaker 2: of those staff officers will go out and address some

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Speaker 2: of that demand and that need. But we every day

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Speaker 2: are looking at what our resourcing looks like. We're looking

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Speaker 2: at our demand environment and trying to place the right

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Speaker 2: resources where we need them. We could always we can

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Speaker 2: always deliver a service with what we've got, but we

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Speaker 2: can always have more staff to actually help the community

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Speaker 2: to get the response that they require every day is

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Speaker 2: a challenge.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel as though we are two hundred short?

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Speaker 1: Because I know according to the paper towards the or

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the week, at that conference, the acting

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Speaker 1: Police Commissioner Michael Murphy had said that more than four

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty officers had left the force in the

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Speaker 1: past three years. So I guess you know we must

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Speaker 1: be losing some corporate knowledge and some experience.

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Speaker 2: Look, yes, so there's two things that have happened. There

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Speaker 2: a lot of those people who have left within that

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Speaker 2: period of time. There's a proportion of those that my

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Speaker 2: Assistant commissioner colleague has written too to ask them whether

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Speaker 2: they'd be willing to come back to the LN Territory Police.

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Speaker 4: Any luck with any of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, We've had a number of people that I've corresponded

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Speaker 2: back with the sum have chosen not to and that's okay.

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Speaker 3: People left for various reasons. The people who.

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Speaker 2: Retired or had been terminated obviously weren't contacted. It was

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Speaker 2: that's what they chose to do. That's one aspect. The

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Speaker 2: other aspect here is we've got one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 3: And this is a.

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Speaker 2: Longer term body of work that we're undertaking as part

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Speaker 3: It's cyclical.

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Speaker 2: So our people when I sit down and talk to

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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 3: The demand environment is high. They are rolling out every day.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four to seven, regardless of what's going on in

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Speaker 2: to make sure that their wellbeing is managed as they

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Speaker 2: do that work because the job is tough.

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Speaker 4: I mean, do we need more vans on the road

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Speaker 3: Look? Yes.

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Speaker 2: In short, we'd always no one's going to argue for

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Speaker 2: more resources if the acting Commissioners said we require two

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Speaker 2: hundred plus more police than absolutely our demand environment territory

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Speaker 2: wide is extremely high. So at call center, we're still

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Speaker 2: seeing peaks there, but we're still seeing the average above

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Speaker 2: a thousand calls a day, So each one of those

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Speaker 2: calls doesn't mean a response. But domestic violence is still

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Speaker 2: running anywhere from sixty to one hundred.

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Speaker 3: It peaked at one hundred and nineteen recently.

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Speaker 2: Domestic violence calls in a twenty four hour period, that's extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: That's really challenging for our frontline members to be able

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Speaker 2: to deliver that response. But I've told your listeners previously

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Speaker 1: I mean, can it be quite demoralizing for officers then

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Speaker 1: when you know how many jobs there are that need

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Speaker 3: Look, I use the term demoralizing. They find it's challenging.

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Speaker 2: So we're doing other things to try and manage that

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Speaker 2: but that's causing community alarm around that anti social behavior.

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Speaker 4: Well, and some of it is alarming.

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Speaker 1: You know, even when you see that vision that came

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Speaker 2: So communities see that, but then they're walking away from

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Speaker 2: I'm obviously not in that environment now. I take my

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Speaker 2: the majority of the population are supportive of the police

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Speaker 2: and we'll continue to do everything we can to make

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Speaker 1: Now, I do want to ask The National Children's Commissioner

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Speaker 1: Territories Police Minister calling for a video that was posted

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Speaker 1: last week to be taken down now. The video shows

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Speaker 1: the rest that were made on Wednesday afternoon. It came

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Speaker 1: National Children's Commissioner An Hollins told the ABC that the

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Speaker 1: The majority of our listeners thought that the video actually

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Speaker 1: depicted the pretty like the very hard work that the

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Speaker 1: it was potentially dangerous. Do you think the video was appropriate.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what she's talking about. Potentially dangerous. That

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Speaker 2: saw there was our body worn video that we use

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Speaker 2: to show transparency in everything that we do. You saw

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Speaker 2: a coordinated response that was managed through the JOIN Emergency

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Speaker 2: Services Communications Center using dog operations, police tried and frontline members.

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Speaker 2: I've sat here and spoken to you about stolen cars

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Speaker 2: probably every occasion we speak about. This is an example

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Speaker 2: that the community need to know that when there's stolen

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Speaker 3: What we had here to.

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Speaker 2: Use, yes, sixteen year old are miles in style and cars.

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Speaker 2: And when we can't sanitize what that footage looks like.

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Speaker 1: Then when you have this kind of thing happen where

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Speaker 2: Look, she's obviously is entitled to her opinion within her

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Speaker 1: We'll see a situation here where you no longer release

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Speaker 2: When we can provide footage information into the public realm

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Speaker 2: how we do it. Again, transparency. We're not trying to

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Speaker 2: So we're not going to stop doing what we're doing

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Speaker 1: Travis, how have things been going over the last week

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Speaker 2: So unfortunately, and every time prior to coming and speaking

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Speaker 1: With those seven in the last twenty four hours, were

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Speaker 2: That was spread across Greater Day and there were some

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Speaker 4: And vehicle stolen there are.

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Speaker 3: A couple of vehicle style most of which have been

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Speaker 2: It they're always onto it. So the agility that that

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Speaker 4: And Travis, she did touch on it a little while ago.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the issue of domestic violence, it continues to

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Speaker 2: Look it is that particular matter is still under investigation.

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Speaker 3: There was front page in the Nouthern Territory News that a.

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Speaker 2: Takes pokes fun at our response to that siege that

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Speaker 2: Inappropriate journalism unfortunately undermines the heart of what's happening here.

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Speaker 2: We can do better as a territory. We need to

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Speaker 2: It devalues the seriousness of what this event was. It

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Speaker 1: And no doubt, you know, we are going to talk

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Speaker 3: No pleasure, Cokading, Thank you,