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Speaker 1: If something does make you feel good, how do you

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Speaker 1: try and systemize it into your life so that kind

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Speaker 1: of just happens naturally for you, as opposed to thinking

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Speaker 1: I love doing that, but I never find time or

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Speaker 1: I never do it. We never will find time unless

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Speaker 2: Welcome to How I Work, a show about the tactics

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Speaker 2: used by leading innovators to get so much out of

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Speaker 2: their day.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Doctor Amantha Imber.

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Speaker 2: I'm an organizational psychologist, the CEO of Inventium, and I'm

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Speaker 2: obsessed with finding ways to optimize my work date. For

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Speaker 2: the month of January, I'll be dipping into the archives

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Speaker 2: of twenty eighteen to replace some of my favorite episodes. Today,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to replay my interview.

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Speaker 3: With Carolyn Creswell.

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Speaker 2: I'd known Carolyn for a little while before I invited

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Speaker 2: her on the show, and I had an inkling that

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Speaker 2: she thought a lot about how she manages her time,

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Speaker 2: and on this front, she did not disappoint. Yes, you

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Speaker 2: don't know who Carolyn is. She is the founder of

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Speaker 2: Carmen's Musli, which is pretty much in every supermarket around Australia.

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Speaker 2: And is exported to thirty two countries around the world

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Speaker 2: over the last twenty five years. Carolyn who's built Carmen's

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Speaker 2: into a one hundred million dollar business. But there is

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Speaker 2: so much more to Carolyn than just delicious tasting musli.

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Speaker 2: She has given so much thought to the way that

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Speaker 2: she works, and this interview is full of really practical gems.

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Speaker 2: I personally particularly loved hearing about what is almost like

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Speaker 2: an annual self improvement planning process that she does every summer.

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Speaker 2: So on that note, over to Carolyn to hear about

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Speaker 2: how she works.

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Speaker 3: Carolyn, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks for having me, Amantha.

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Speaker 2: I want to start with your morning routine because I

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Speaker 2: how do you spend your mornings.

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Speaker 1: So my alarm goes off at three minutes to six.

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Speaker 1: And I then have a warm water with lemon juice,

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Speaker 1: I get my gin gear on, I grab my puppy dog,

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Speaker 1: So generally on the drive in, I always ring my

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Speaker 2: That's amazing, And what are the types of things that

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Speaker 1: It will be anything. I mean, I sometimes find, you know, say,

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Speaker 3: That's nice. That's nice. And now you sitting you're drinking

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Speaker 3: And when did you make that change?

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Speaker 1: I will often sort of plan those those times in advance.

436
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Speaker 2: And have that in the office, Like during the nine

437
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Speaker 2: to five, are there like what are some of your

438
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Speaker 2: most I guess valuable systems or habits or routines that

439
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Speaker 2: you have in the way place. So a couple of

440
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 2: things that if you want to do a really quick email,

441
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 2: you pick up your phone, not your laptop. Everyone as

442
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 2: soon as they see sent from my iPhone that people

443
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Speaker 2: understand that it's just a very brief whatever.

444
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Speaker 1: I will have lots of rules on my emails, so

445
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: things that will go into certain folders. I think that

446
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: sometimes people feel that they need to write very long,

447
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 1: beautifully written, extensive, paragraphed emails. I'm much more bullet point

448
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 1: sort of girl. I always will stop. Food is really

449
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 1: important to me, So we all stop at twelve thirty

450
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: and everyone has lunch together. And I think that that's

451
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 1: I think it's a very good thing you shouldn't need

452
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: at your desk. And I think you guys just did

453
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Speaker 1: an example of that recently, and I think it just

454
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Speaker 1: actually stops and clicks your brain into a different mode.

455
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Speaker 1: And it's literally twenty minutes to come down, you eat,

456
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 1: you go back, but I feel you've got a freshness

457
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Speaker 1: to what you're doing. What else, I try and keep

458
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: things reasonably order and tidy, and I use tasks a lot,

459
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people don't use tasks.

460
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Speaker 1: So a couple of my favorite apps that are a

461
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Speaker 1: big life changer to me. One is called wonder List.

462
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: So it's a shared list apps so you can have,

463
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Speaker 1: you know, and I've got god how many maybe thirty

464
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Speaker 1: on one list?

465
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Speaker 2: So how do you use your wonder list because I'm

466
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Speaker 2: a big Wonderlist fan.

467
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Speaker 3: So took me through.

468
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Speaker 2: And for those that don't know, wonder List is it's

469
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 2: kind of like to do list software, and you can

470
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Speaker 2: have different yes to do lists. If you like within

471
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Speaker 2: the one app so what does yours look like?

472
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Speaker 1: So, for example, we have a home shopping list, so

473
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Speaker 1: I can add something to it, my husband can add

474
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Speaker 1: something to it, and whoever goes to the supermarket can

475
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Speaker 1: know what's needed. I have one for our head office,

476
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Speaker 1: which I share with the project manager here. So whenever

477
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Speaker 1: I walk around and I'll see that, you know, a

478
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Speaker 1: door handle's falling off, I put on Wonder List. You know,

479
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Speaker 1: door handle In Tokyo, we call out all rooms place

480
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 1: as we export to is falling off, and so then

481
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: I know that it's there. I also look at them

482
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: and I can see what's been done. So that's a

483
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: good thing of being able to track, you know, on

484
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Speaker 1: what happened in the building this week. I also keep

485
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: its so when someone says to me, I've seen a

486
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Speaker 1: great movie, I go straight into my movies on Wonder List,

487
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: so that then when I sit down on Saturday night

488
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: and go on what am I going to watch on Netflix? Whatever?

489
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Speaker 1: You know, what movie will I bring up? I just

490
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Speaker 1: pull up my Wonder List. So I've got that list,

491
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Speaker 1: and I always write who recommended it as well, because

492
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Speaker 1: if you loved it or you know, often you don't

493
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Speaker 1: remember things like that, so I just find it. It's

494
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: a really good way. It's a very good shared list scenario. Yeah,

495
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Speaker 1: so that's one of my favorites. There's another an app

496
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Speaker 1: that I love for pocket money for kids called Spriggy.

497
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: So the pocket money goes in, but they get given

498
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Speaker 1: a little card and they can spend their pocket money

499
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Speaker 1: how they want and they can put it into savings

500
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:56,479
Speaker 1: and it's a great bit of technology. Anyway, are there

501
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Speaker 1: any other apps? Yeah, you're really into. I've got a

502
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: luggage tracker that I am. It was called a lug block.

503
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: It's just changed its name, I think recently, and so

504
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: that's a great app. So whenever I'm traveling to know

505
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: that my bags have made it and I can. And

506
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: I've had situations when they're stuck at an airport and they

507
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: tell me it's somewhere else and I go, no, I can,

508
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: I can, I can tell that's there. I'm just thinking

509
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Speaker 1: from an organization point of view. I'll turn my phone

510
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Speaker 1: off for this, you know, I will often know the

511
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Speaker 1: other thing that I'm a big one is using Siri

512
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Speaker 1: really well. So for example, I'll say to my phone,

513
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Speaker 1: when I leave this destination, please remind me to call Amantha,

514
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: and so I've forgotten about it. I hop in the

515
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Speaker 1: car and one minute later it'll pop up on the

516
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Speaker 1: screen saying colll Amantha. So it reminds me that when

517
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Speaker 1: I'm leaving to be able to use it. And I

518
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: use Siri all the time, so when I'm driving in,

519
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: please email myself. I know, if something ends up in

520
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Speaker 1: my inbox, it doesn't get lost in the ether of

521
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Speaker 1: any other form of you know, either a post it

522
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Speaker 1: note or a tech message. So I'll say to myself,

523
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Speaker 1: you know, ring this person at four thirty, you know,

524
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: you know, take this musically by a home for someone whatever.

525
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: So I'm always telling Syria to email myself. And I'm

526
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Speaker 1: a bit of a fan of Google Home as well,

527
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: so I find that's a good you know, being able

528
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Speaker 1: to call out ask questions, what's the weather, turn the

529
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: lamps off? I love technology and I'm very very excited

530
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: about Amazon coming to Australia in a big way. So

531
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Speaker 1: I think that's going to be awesome.

532
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Speaker 3: Oh fantastic, fantastic.

533
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Speaker 2: I'm keen to hear more about like you seem like

534
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Speaker 2: such a chill out kind of person and I can't

535
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Speaker 2: even imagine like all the you know, all the different

536
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Speaker 2: sort of things that you're juggling in your mind. And

537
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Speaker 2: I remember reading in an interview, I think it was

538
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Speaker 2: your husband Pete, that said that you used to be

539
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Speaker 2: a stresshead, but.

540
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Speaker 3: Not so much anymore.

541
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Speaker 2: And I wanted to know, like, was was there a

542
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Speaker 2: time where that changed? And how how did you make

543
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Speaker 2: that change?

544
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Speaker 1: And it doesn't just tappen going to one seminar and going,

545
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm a new person. And I think

546
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,239
Speaker 1: sometimes if you say to yourself in any book you

547
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: read or any seminar you go to, if one thing sticks,

548
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: that's enough, except that that's one change. And I probably

549
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: realized before you know, I know, this is now my

550
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: son's fourteen, so probably you know, fifteen ish years ago,

551
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: well I couldn't keep that lifestyle going, and I probably

552
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 1: wasn't serving me, and I probably switched, and I probably

553
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: maybe a lot of people then switched a bit more

554
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: into the self development and not like it used to

555
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: be a badge of honor to go I am busy.

556
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: I'm so busy. I mean I would get to an

557
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: airport and I didn't want to hop on a plane

558
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: unless they were calling my name on the loud speaker,

559
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Speaker 1: because that meant I was successful, you know. I was like,

560
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, people would say, how are you clustressed at Bibles?

561
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: Because that meant I've made it in life. And then

562
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: I listened to this beautiful little story. It's called the

563
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: Mexican Fisherman. So just bear with me for one second.

564
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: You've heard. But this fisherman, he goes out and he

565
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: catches the fish. And this guy says, so what are

566
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: you going to do for the rest of the day.

567
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: And he said, oh, I'm going to go and have

568
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Speaker 1: a sleep, and then I'm going to go and have

569
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: a lovely lunch with my wife, and then I'm going

570
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: to go into the village and play guitar with my friends.

571
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: And he said, why don't you fish more? And he said,

572
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: well I could, but I don't need to. I've got

573
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: enough of what I lent in need. And he said,

574
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: well you could, and then you need was saying what

575
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Speaker 1: could you do? What you do and you build this up,

576
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: and you'd fish so much, you'd make all of this money,

577
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: and you'd move to New York and all of this

578
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: stuff and anyway, google it if you're interested. I'm doing

579
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: a very fast version here and then he says, well,

580
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: what would happen with all of that money? He said, well,

581
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: you could just move to a little sleepy village and

582
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: you could sleep in and just catch whatever fish you

583
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: wanted and hang out in the town with your you know,

584
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: your friends and play guitar and you know, have afternoon siestas.

585
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: And it was just that thing of like what are

586
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: we striving for in our lives? You know? He is busy, really,

587
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: this badge of honor, and I think for me, I've

588
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: just you know, I try and keep the noise and

589
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: the clutter at Bay. And the way I do that

590
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: is I'm really conscious of my time how I spend it.

591
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: And you know that's why, for example, I don't want

592
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: to think, oh my gosh, my haircuts all week over

593
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: at jew and I've got to do the two o'clock

594
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: in the afternoon thing, which is going to ruin the

595
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: whole day. I want to know that life just unfolds

596
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden that I'm never in a

597
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: state where i feel I'm really behind the eight ball

598
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: or I'm really feeling that life's got out of control,

599
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: and so learning and looking and the little things that

600
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: I've tweaked, you know, and it's not like it happened.

601
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: You know, this has been a slow evolution over a

602
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: long period of time. You know. I remember one of

603
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: the first ones was wash my face at night, you know,

604
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: like really funny little things of going you know, you're

605
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: just you're a young girl and you could get away

606
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: with just going to bed whatever, but now you know, middle.

607
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: Aged forty four.

608
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do some different things to take care of yourself.

609
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: So how you know, even from like what you wear

610
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: of how that you know makes you feel like so

611
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: I've almost ever of a you know, a uniform. I

612
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: laugh about that. I'm not a big fashionist. Or you know,

613
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: I haven't lost one friend since I stopped painting my fingernails.

614
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: You know, like what are you doing some of these

615
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: things for? And who are you trying to impress? Because

616
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: that's just not the person I want to be, you know.

617
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: I want to feel that, you know, I surround myself

618
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: with the really interesting people and that I'm leading an

619
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Speaker 1: interesting life that's fulfilling me, that you know, that's making

620
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: me feel good. And so if you're sometimes running around

621
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: things and if you just have to say, like I've

622
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: stopped going to a lot of things where I think, oh,

623
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: that could be a networking thing, but then it also

624
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: could be just a waste of a night that we go.

625
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: I could actually be doing something that serves me more. So, Yeah,

626
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: and what.

627
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Speaker 2: Do you do? Like, cause I imagine that there still

628
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: are things like you know in your life, like you mentioned,

629
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Speaker 2: you know, let's say you have to come to work

630
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: and let someone go for example, like how how then

631
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: mentally do you manage those stresses.

632
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: If you like? So my first thing, and this has

633
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: taken me a long time, but I will only ever

634
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: tell the truth. So I don't tell white lies. And

635
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: that is really hard sometimes because sometimes it's really easy

636
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: to tell a white lie. And I try and say

637
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: to my kids the same thing that you know, if

638
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: you come from a place of just telling someone the truth.

639
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: Now I might not choose to tell you. I might

640
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: only tell you the truth if you ask me what

641
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: it is. But I will never be caught lying to

642
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: my kids to anyone. So I'm not going to say sorry,

643
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: Will can't come to the party because he's sick, and

644
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: then you find that Will was actually down the street

645
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: kicking footy and wasn't sick. Because I feel like over

646
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: a period of a lifetime, you know, if anyone comes

647
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: across me that has dealt with me in my career,

648
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: they'd say, do you know what? You know? I didn't

649
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: always like it, but she had integrity and so that's

650
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Speaker 1: kind of one of my core values. And like I said,

651
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: sometimes it would be a lot easier, but I to

652
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: tell a white lie or to people, So I try

653
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: and always come back to that. So I I will

654
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: often say to myself, you know, it's not like I'm

655
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: here for the long term. I'm here for a marathon.

656
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: It's not just a sprint. And this is the I

657
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: know I'm coming from a place if it's the right

658
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: thing to do. There's a great Mayor Angelou quote that

659
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: success is liking yourself, liking what you do, but most

660
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: of all, liking how you do it. And I like

661
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: how I do it. And that's taken a long time

662
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: to get to that sort of space, twenty six years, I.

663
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: Think, and truth telling, truth telling one hundred percent of

664
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: the time. That that that sounds quite different from how

665
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: a lot of people operate. When did you come to

666
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: that realization that you just want to tell you years ago?

667
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: And you'll see in my office. I have a big

668
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: picture behind my desk, and every it's a bookshelf, and

669
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: every spine of the book is about telling the truth,

670
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: and it's everything's in black and white, so and it's

671
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: called the Truth in Black. I'm white. I remember being

672
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: really broke when I was about five years into the business.

673
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: I had to buy these nuts were getting delivered and

674
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: I didn't have enough money, and I was going to

675
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: give the nut guy the check in a envelope. I

676
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: hadn't signed it. By the time they got back to

677
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: their head office, you know, which was half an hour's drive,

678
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: they'd realize it wasn't signed. They'd have to bring it

679
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: back the next day. I'd sign it the next day

680
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: and it'd be fine. And the guy I worked next

681
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: to me said, why don't you just put a post

682
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: it note saying, look, I'm really sorry, I'm sure of

683
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: money today. Would you mind holding this check and making

684
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: it tomorrow. I was like, oh, I never thought about

685
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: doing like that, and here I was trying to be manipulative.

686
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: And he said, they will appreciate that so much more.

687
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: And then over time that and I guess it's also

688
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: come with confidence. It's hard to do stuff like that

689
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: when you're young and you know you're thinking, oh my gosh,

690
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: what you know they're going to think of me? What

691
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: are they going to say? And then as time went on,

692
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, I actually really appreciate when

693
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: someone tells it to me how it is. So if

694
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: I let someone go and I go, look, I'm really sorry,

695
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: it's nothing to do with you. We're downsizing. Business hasn't

696
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,239
Speaker 1: been great, so and then they find out that, you know,

697
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: we've hired someone else and business is booming, then they're

698
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: going to be bitter and angry, and they also can't

699
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: learn from that. You can't grow if I come in

700
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I just don't think this is the

701
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: right fit. You seem moody and grumpy when you come

702
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: into the office and we're just not that place. We

703
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: just expect more, so you know, and I will, no

704
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: one will ever, It'll never come out of the blue.

705
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: You will have had a conversation and I'm happy to

706
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: have that conversation early on of saying, you know, one

707
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: of our care values is positivity. And I understand that

708
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: everyone's got stuff going on in their life, but when

709
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: you come into here, it's not fair for the people

710
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: on the left and the right of you to deal

711
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: with you being aggressive and grumpy and difficult to work with,

712
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: because that's just not the place that I want to build.

713
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: That's not the people I want to work with. And

714
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: people then have a choice of going, okay, right, I

715
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: get where I'm coming from, But otherwise you will take

716
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: that through your whole career because no one's actually told

717
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: you how you're showing up, and I actually find that,

718
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'll often say this is feedback's hard to hear,

719
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: and I get it's hard for me as well. This

720
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: is how I'm seeing it. I'll just let you sit

721
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: with that, and you know, it's up to you and

722
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: whether they want to take it on board and address it.

723
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: Like I said, it never comes first conversation of the

724
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: blow people would generally know. But you know, that's just

725
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: you know, what I think is the right thing to do.

726
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: I really like that.

727
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: I must say for myself, when I'm having these conversations

728
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: with particularly in the workplace, I feel very stressed beforehand,

729
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: like do you do you feel that or has truth

730
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: truth telling just become a habit, So it's like that's fine,

731
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: Like being the bearer of difficult news.

732
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: For example. So what I'd say is it sometimes is

733
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable. That doesn't make me veer from telling the truth.

734
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: I know that's going to be my approach. But don't

735
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: you worry, like I'm often sick the night before and

736
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, you're running to the toilet and you're just like,

737
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, because I'm acutely aware that this is

738
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: someone's life and that I don't take that. I never

739
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: take that lightheartedly. But then also, I'm actually not a

740
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: charity operation here. I'm actually running a business. And my

741
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: take is that there is a million incredible people. We

742
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: have people queuing to want to work here. So if

743
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: I've got someone here who's not pulling up their socks,

744
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: you need to be able to give them. And that's

745
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: what I said. You know, they will always be given

746
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: a sense of saying this is you know, often it's

747
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: on a values decision. So you know, I had a

748
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: guy that was telling me that he wanted to work

749
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: super early, and I just have this sense of going,

750
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: I just don't think you're arriving at work at six

751
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: in the morning. And I said to him, you know,

752
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: how's it all going. He said, Oh, it's great. I

753
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: get so much work done, and I thought, God, I

754
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: don't want to get up to have to come and

755
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: here just to see IFIA is. And I happened to

756
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: look over and I saw the alarm panel, and so

757
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: I just range up and said, Hey, what times the

758
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: alarm and going off? Knowing that he was turning off

759
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: six forty six forty five. There's no way he was

760
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: doing you know that. But he just lied to my

761
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: face and I was like, you know what, that's it

762
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: like you've had I've given you a chance without even

763
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: knowing is it working for you? Do it or adjust it?

764
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a there's also a duty

765
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: for employees to be able to tell the truth of

766
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: how something's working for them or how they want to

767
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: adjust things, because I think it makes you feel good

768
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: about yourself. You know that you can hold your head high,

769
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: that you're doing the right thing and anyway, that's that's

770
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: I guess, as I said, one of my core values. Yeah,

771
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: that's important to me.

772
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: And it sounds like you've kind of got this self

773
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: talk going on. I guess when you're experiencing that that

774
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: stress around having a difficult conversation is is that like

775
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: your main strategy for I guess getting through the stress

776
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: before that big conversation.

777
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: Well, I think my self talk is saying, you know,

778
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: are you doing the right thing? And often, you know

779
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: what the hardest one is this having the tough conversations

780
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: when it might be to a friend. You know, in

781
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: the work, we are taught to have those conversations. You know,

782
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: we have training for it, we know that we that

783
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: we have to do it. But often in social situations,

784
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, people feel really uncomfortable. And you know, I,

785
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: for example, won't sit through a racist joke, and if

786
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: someone says it around me, I will say, hey, you know,

787
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: that's just really inappropriate and I just don't want to

788
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: sit through you saying something like that, and how you

789
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: have enough confidence to be able to do that. But

790
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: I just think I just want to be proud of

791
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: who I am and how I behave, and I don't

792
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: want to sit through a racist joke. So I will

793
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: tell someone and yeah, I do find it often more

794
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: difficult in my private life.

795
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: I want to I want to go back to the

796
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: self improvement kind of theme of your life, and they

797
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: know that you're I think you said like you're off

798
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: the charts and self improvement when you've done like you know,

799
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: surveys and questionnaires and things like that, which I love.

800
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: And what I'm curious about is how do you know

801
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: what education and information to consume because there's so many options,

802
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: Like for someone that is big on improving themselves and learning.

803
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: More, how do you decide what you're going to put

804
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: in your brain? So to me, I think that you

805
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: have to have an ability of looking in on your

806
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: life and saying what's serving me and what's making me

807
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: feel good? And where do I think I need to improve?

808
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: Where's something? And so, you know, for a couple of things.

809
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: For example, I would love to be better at meditation.

810
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: I'd love to be better at writing journals. And so

811
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: I'll think, all right, and then I'll ask some when

812
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: I know who's good at those things, well, how are

813
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: you fitting it into your life? What are you doing what?

814
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: And so then I'll try different things. And so you

815
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: know I used to try, you know, doing a little

816
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: short meditations before I went to the gym, you know

817
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: that go for a walk in the morning or go

818
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: to the gym, and then I I'm still so, for example,

819
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: the areas that haven't nailed and we're going to start

820
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: meditation classes here at lunch time and so all then

821
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like I don't think if you

822
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: have to think of education as some formal something like

823
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: it might be from someone that you know that's really

824
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: good at that, and then I call it test and measure.

825
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: You'll try something, Does that work for me? Do I

826
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: like it? Am I enjoying it? Or am I suffering

827
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: through it? And then you'll try something else, and then

828
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: you think, well, hang on, how you know, like I

829
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: often feel when I write a journal, like what if

830
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: someone picks it up and reads it? And then my

831
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: friend Christina Carlson said, no, no, you just burn the pages.

832
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: You write the pages and you just put them straight

833
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: to the fire and burn them, just light a match.

834
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so what are the things that

835
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: how are you feeling about something, what's holding you back?

836
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: What are the challenges? And then you consume what you

837
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: think might be appropriate. So sometimes you know, for example,

838
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: I read Tools of Titans and Tim Ferriss and there's

839
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: lots of different little things, tips of people's you know,

840
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: mornings and what they did and what serves them and

841
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: motivates them. And then it'll be whether it's you know,

842
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: I read lots of interesting business book or you know,

843
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: I quite liked, as I said, you know, listening to

844
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: podcasts or audiobooks when I'm driving and that this time

845
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: just flies, or when I'm falling asleep at night and

846
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: am listening to that teacher's pet at the moment, so

847
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: the whole time, it's so addictive, you know, like every

848
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: time I'm in the car or you know, going to

849
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: sleep at night. You know, I you know, I find

850
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: that really interesting. And sometimes I don't feel it's always

851
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: about self improvement. It's about what you know. Sometimes it's

852
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: about feeding your soul and what's making you feel good

853
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: about you and that's giving you a spring in your

854
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: step because you've done something a little bit different than

855
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: what your normal days. So I just feel that that

856
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: helps create the best version of you. And that's all

857
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: we're trying to do, is that over this cycle of life,

858
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: to get to the end and go. I was really

859
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: proud of who I was and what I did. And

860
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: I didn't lead a small life. I wasn't boring. I

861
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: didn't I don't have any regrets about not trying things.

862
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Speaker 1: And I can tell you the one thing I have

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Speaker 1: learned is that money is not the answer to your happiness.

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00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's very nice to be able to pay

865
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: your bills, absolutely, and it's you know, a great privilege

866
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: to be able to travel. But without question, the most

867
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: wealthy people I know are the most unhappy because they

868
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: feel that that is their badge of honor, that is

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00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: their way of success and to happiness. And I feel

870
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: that having great friends and being able to laugh around

871
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: the table and to be able to feel that you've

872
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: you know, been an interesting human and to me, that

873
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: is much more about what gives you personal satisfaction.

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Speaker 3: Nice. Nice. I want to finish with a few kind

875
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: of quick questions.

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00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: Around what are you consuming now in terms of like books, podcasts, newsletters,

877
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: things like that.

878
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 3: So let's let's start with podcasts. That's sort of come

879
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: up a couple of times. Teachers.

880
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: Pet is obviously one that like what a you know

881
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: one or two other go to podcasts.

882
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: For you, Well, I mean, I don't know if you

883
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: don't officially call it podcast per se, but I'm mad

884
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: for for Ted talks. So and I find that they

885
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: and I will look at what are the most popular ones,

886
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: or I'll go into genres that I find and interesting,

887
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: whether it's health, the happiness or you know that I

888
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: find that they're very well put together. But then I'm

889
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: starting to you know, a lot of the girls I'm

890
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: in like a learning book group, so they consume a

891
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: lot more so they've just sent me a list of

892
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: some other ones that I've got on my phone. So

893
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: for books, I'm often trying that. So I either go

894
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: from my of my two book groups, which is my

895
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: main reading one is of you know, novels, which I

896
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: actually really enjoy thinking about something different. So for example,

897
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: Lionel Schriver is one of my favorite authors, and so

898
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: you know mandibles or something you know crazy that she's

899
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: written that just gets me out of my normal thought process.

900
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: But then the others are much more on whether it's

901
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: development of self, so things like Languages of Love or

902
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: I just read it was It The Unspoiled Child, which

903
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: was around how to raise kids that are much more

904
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: grounded and generous and smart with money, And then so

905
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: might I often flip. I actually quite like on a

906
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: plane just a real book. I'm still old school. I

907
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: carry a kindle, but I find it a book is

908
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: really still nice to you know. Generally, I'll often be

909
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: traveling with one of my handbag and then I still

910
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: I do still love just to listen to music. And

911
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes, you know, we can consume information,

912
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: but it is very good to have, you know, just

913
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: have some great you know, like often if I'm driving

914
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: home a bit late and I put the music super

915
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: loud and sing in the car, and so I think

916
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: that that's another good thing, and that I have a

917
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: pile of you know, things that might have been sent

918
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: to me just to like Sunday afternoon reading of different

919
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: whether it might be articles that you know, someone might

920
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: have clipped out and sent to me old school. So

921
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: there's often there's always a reading pile of what can

922
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: be consumed. And I also would say that if you

923
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: start reading something and you think it's not for me

924
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: or whatever, it's okay, just let it go. There's just

925
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: a million other things that you could that you could consume. Definitely,

926
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Speaker 1: I love the Center of your Learning book Club. That's

927
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: really cool. How do they decide on which books too?

928
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: So you know it's got some amazing girls in it

929
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: with I said Christina Carlson. Alyssa Camplin who won the

930
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: gold medal, Mary Ancheerer, who owned tea two Sally Mackay

931
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: who's an artist, Blenda A Rebecca Herman who owns Blinder,

932
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: an audiobil company, So I mean she sends me just

933
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: cases of audiobooks. And so generally if someone's heard about

934
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: something and or something that is you know, interesting, like

935
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: will move around, whether it's around love or around parenting

936
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: or around you know. There's a brain one that we're

937
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: doing recently about how you know, sort of brain plasticity,

938
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: and they're always very interesting and I think it's off

939
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: on the conversations we have as a group, and then

940
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: we actually sounds of the top. We actually traveled once

941
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: a year together. So last year we went to Sweden

942
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: and went to Christiana's house and then we just took

943
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: books and drink tea. And then this year we actually

944
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: went to New York, which was very exciting. So book

945
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: club on tour on steroids.

946
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: I love.

947
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: It is an enormous privilege to be able to do that.

948
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, And E newsletters is are there any newsletters

949
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: that you subscribe to you that you love reading?

950
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: I have to say I probably don't. I Mean, the

951
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: only one that I am a little bit addicted to

952
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: is a guy that I'm super fond of called Cyril Peplion,

953
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: and he wrote Works Smarter to Live Better and it's

954
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: a very skinny little book. I highly recommend it, and

955
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: it's sort of basically around how to kind of organize

956
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: your emails and your work life. So he has you know,

957
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: carving out time for the bigger projects, don't worry about

958
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: some of the little stuff. A lot of the stuff

959
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: around being don't multitask, turn your inbox off just to

960
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: sit there and pump through it. Don't feel you have

961
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: to write essays. Bullet points are fine, put in your rules,

962
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, all that stuff excellent.

963
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 2: And finally, where can people find more about you and Carmen's.

964
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: I don't know about. Maybe there's funny stuff out there

965
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: about Carmen's. And so I said, I'm a super proud

966
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: mum of this baby, and you know it's going from

967
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: strength to strengthen, and you know, we've got our new

968
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: beautiful head office here. So if anyone ever wants to

969
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: come down to Sunny Huntingdale which is just near Chadstone

970
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: in Victoria, and we'd love to see you, and you

971
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: can try the whole range and get a sense of

972
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: what Carmen's is a business is like and more often

973
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: than not you see me, you know, lurking in the

974
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: foyer chatting to everyone.

975
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: Oh excellent, I've loved this chat with you.

976
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. Is a pleasure.

977
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: Thank you, Hello there, Thank you so much for listening

978
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: to today's episode. I hope you've got some really useful

979
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: tips and insights that you're can fly in your own life.

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Speaker 2: And before you go, I just have one more thing

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Speaker 2: to ask. I would love it if you're enjoying How

982
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,080
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983
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984
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985
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Speaker 2: Star rating or writing some words on what you think

986
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Speaker 2: they've all been delightful so far and bring a huge

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Speaker 2: smile to my face. And also, if you're enjoying How

989
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: I Work, make sure you let other people know about

990
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991
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Speaker 2: the tips that my guests share. So that is it

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Speaker 2: for today, and I'll see you next time.