1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:00,360 Speaker 1: Now. 2 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 2: A little earlier this morning, we heard from Assistant Northern 3 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 2: Territory Police Commissioner Travis Wurst about the reward that is 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: being offered for information leading to the discovery of Peter 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: Falconio's body. Now joining us on the line is a 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: voice that we haven't heard on the show for quite 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: some time. It's the former Northern Territory Attorney General, John L. Frank. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: Good morning, John, Oh, do we have him? We're having 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: some issues there with that phone line. Hopefully I've got him. 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: Are you able to hear me? John? Have you've got 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: me on the line? Now? Good to speak to you. 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: It's been a few years. 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: How are you. I'm very well. Thank you for asking. 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Missing the weather of the tropics very much. 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: Indeed, I bet you are now as the former Attorney 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: General of the Northern Territory, I was really interested to 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: obviously see that you've spoken to the Northern Territory News 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: and you are, indeed, you know, calling for Bradley John 19 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: Murdock to you to finally reveal where Peter Falconio's body 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: is well. 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: As Bradley Murdoch moves towards the oblivion that he is 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: inexorably exposed to by the cancer which has lived in 23 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: his body now for a number of years. He has 24 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: an opportunity to clear the decks, and in doing so 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: doing two things, one acknowledging the crime that he committed, 26 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: and to giving some closure to the parents of Peter 27 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: Falconio in relation to the directing police to where the 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: body was, or at least being able to generally describe 29 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: where the body was, so that the family does actually 30 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: have some closure. So this is an appeal to that 31 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: organ that he calls a heart, which in my opinion 32 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: is a desiccated and shriveled thing, but nevertheless an appeal 33 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: so that at least his parents, as an active Felka 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: of Murdoch's charity for lack of better words, have closure 35 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: and get to bury their son once and for all. 36 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 2: John, do you think he's capable of revealing that information 37 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: and giving them that closure. 38 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: Of course he's capable of it. As long as that 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: he is still conscious, he will be able to give 40 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: that closure. The question is whether he chooses to, and 41 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: so far he has demonstrated a level of selfishness which 42 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: is ordering on the psychopathic. 43 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, I say, when do you think you know, 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: if you think he's capable, I don't mean physically, but 45 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 2: I guess you know, I mean, you know, do you 46 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: think he's got that level of you know, kindness. I 47 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: don't know that he would to be able to do 48 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: that well. 49 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: Clearly on he's so far his track record would suggest 50 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: that he doesn't have it within him. However, as he 51 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: faces the inevitable, perhaps he has some time to reflect 52 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: and determine that has a last act, he can at 53 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: least do one thing which has a shred of nobility 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: written into it. 55 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, we spoke to the police just a little 56 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: while ago. They said that they've tried to engage with him, 57 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: most recently this week as I understand it, but he 58 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: is remaining tight lip. Are you surprise that he's remaining 59 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: tight lipped. 60 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: No, It's consistent with his track record, which is disappointing. 61 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: And ultimately, if he does pass from this life, then 62 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: he will take those secrets with him, leaving, of course, 63 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: as his PostScript, a continuation of the trail of destruction 64 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: which has been his life to this point. 65 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: John, you and I spoke about this all those years 66 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: ago when the legislation was introduced as well. Nobody no parole. 67 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: Remind us how how that works and how it applied 68 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: in Murdoch's case. 69 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: Well, look, it was not directly targeted at Murdock. It 70 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: certainly didn't use his name, but I wasn't oblivious to 71 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: the fact that he was going to be captured by it. 72 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: But the thrust of the nobody no Parole is that 73 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: when you are sentenced for any crime, it is common 74 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: for non parole periods to be described by the judge 75 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: or ultimately inferred by legislation. The Nobody no Parole legislation 76 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: simply said this, if you don't identify the body, and 77 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: if you don't try at least to take the authorities 78 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: to the body, then any parole that is extended to 79 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: you will be withdrawn and you will serve your first sentence. 80 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: That's exactly Oh, we seem. 81 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: To have lost on there. Yeah, sorry, go on. 82 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: That was exactly how it was going to apply to 83 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: any murderer who didn't reveal the body or at least 84 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: attempt to, and in Murdoch's case, that would have applied 85 00:04:58,839 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: to him. 86 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I really hope that there is some further 87 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: information to come forward. I hope that somehow the Northern 88 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: Territory police are able to locate Peter fel Coonio's remains 89 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 2: and you know, give his family that closure. 90 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: Indeed, I'm not optimistic, but I love to be proved 91 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: wrong in this case. 92 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, same here, Hey, John, I mean, like I guess, 93 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: there's always whenever we talk about this situation, there is 94 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: always some that believe that Murdoch wasn't guilty. I mean, 95 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: are there any doubts in your mind? Whatsoever? No? 96 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: Beyond a reasonable doubt was the standard that was applied 97 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: by the jury. The jury was told by the judge 98 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: to apply that standard, and that's the standard that was applied. 99 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: There have been no shortage of armchair lawyers who have 100 00:05:54,760 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: been voicing their opinions on social media, but sadly social 101 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: media has been become a car buncle on the foot 102 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: of the judicial system, and those armchair lawyers I would 103 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: advise to simply subordinate themselves, as I do, to the 104 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: legal systems that we have, which examined the evidence in 105 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: detail in a careful and considered and sober way in 106 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: a courtroom where they hear all the facts, and let's 107 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: rely on that system to provide justice in an effective way, 108 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: which it does. 109 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you well. John L. Frank, the 110 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: former Attorney General of the Northern Territory. Good to chat 111 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: with you this morning. 112 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,559 Speaker 1: Lovely to talk to you, Katie and miss I'm missing 113 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: the weather, I can tell you. 114 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's lovely here at the moment you are missing out, 115 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: John L. Frank, thank you, thanks for your time. Jeers, 116 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 2: thank you.