1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcottin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: Hello, how's your summer going. Are you on a road trip, 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: are you recovering from a big party in the sun, 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: or are you just taking a quiet walk, whatever the 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: case is, you are listening to a special summer series 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: of the TDA Podcast. To kick off, we're going to 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: be revisiting a special project the team did in about 13 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: the middle of the year. It's called The Mirror, and 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: what we wanted to do was look at the ten 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: years of development since Julia Gillard's misogyny speech, particularly looking 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: at what's changed for women in politics since twenty twelve, 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: but also what stayed the same. We'll be releasing one 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: episode a day for tuning in for the first time 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 2: this week. Hello, Welcome, but also I recommend going back 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: and starting with episode one. Hope you enjoy it. 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: This episode of The Mirror is proudly supported by Mecca Empower, 22 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: a social change movement championing equality and opportunity for women 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 3: and girls. 24 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 4: What this Prime minister has done is shame this parliament. 25 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 5: The government's kind of under attack from the opposition. 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: Tanya Plivsk was one of the most senior women in 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: Gillard's government. 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 5: I felt we were under siege. 29 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 4: Another day of shame for a government we should already 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 4: have died of shame. 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 5: It was like watching a football game where your favorite 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 5: team is losing and then in the last quarter they 33 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 5: come in with an absolutely thumping victory. 34 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 6: I will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by 35 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 6: this man. 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 7: I will not. 37 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 8: All of us who were working in the Parliament at 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 8: the time thought it was an incredible speech, but I 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 8: don't think anyone knew what was going to happen. 40 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: Next today we'll look at how the speech was received 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: at the time. 42 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 7: Oh, this isn't going to play well for us. 43 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: And how it's been responded to since there. 44 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 7: Was even more misogyny after the misogyny speech. 45 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 9: An obscenity not fit for TV. 46 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 10: Well, that's a staggering day in federal politics are truly 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 10: spirit in the. 48 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 7: Last round of gender wars. 49 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 11: Made me very sad. We're talking about a governor of 50 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 11: the brink of collapse. 51 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 6: Misogyny looks like in Modn, Australia. 52 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 3: From the Daily Ours, I'm Billy FitzSimons. 53 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 7: This is the. 54 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 12: Mirror she talks about how it was a really ordinary day. 55 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: Jamila Risbey was a staffer in the rud and Gillard governments. 56 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 8: It was an ordinary day in Polo and the opposition 57 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 8: were peddling some bullshit and she had to stand up 58 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 8: and give them a serve. 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 3: She's also interviewed Gillard numerous times since. 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 8: I remember her telling me that she sat down after 61 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 8: that speech. 62 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 6: Oh did I Now I'll have to sit here and 63 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 6: mail talk and I'll have to listen to them door. 64 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: Gillard spoke to Risby at the Sydney Writers' Festival in 65 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. 66 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 8: And she called to the advisor's box to bring her 67 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 8: some paperwork to sign, and apparently Wayne Swan, who was 68 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 8: the treasurer, turned to her and said. 69 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 6: Oh, you can't give the IQ speech and then settle 70 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 6: down and do your correspondence. 71 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 8: So I don't think she realized either. I don't think 72 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 8: she had any sense of how big it was. 73 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: The misogyny speech went viral, becoming a global news story 74 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: from New York to New Delhi. 75 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 12: It just went everywhere. 76 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 13: People in Obama's office I had seen the speech night 77 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 13: and they were just enamored by it. 78 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: Emma Webster was a staffer in Gillard's office. 79 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 7: I think the subject line of the email was just Wow. 80 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 8: Cousins in India were sending me clips with it translated 81 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 8: into Hindi, and they sell merchandise with that speech on it. 82 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 12: Now, I mean, I've got a tea towel. 83 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 7: You can buy earrings with the words on it. 84 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 13: And now you know, it's had this revival on TikTok, 85 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 13: like it's become this feminist moment in time. But certainly 86 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 13: at the time, a lot of people didn't see it 87 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 13: that way. I was in my office and a male 88 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 13: colleague of mine was watching it and just saying, Oh, 89 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 13: this isn't this isn't. 90 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 7: Going to play well for us. 91 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 13: And I think he meant that in the context of oh, gee, like, 92 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 13: people aren't going to get this. The media aren't going 93 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 13: to get this. They're just going to accuse her of 94 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 13: playing the gender card. 95 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 3: Even though this speech went viral worldwide, closer to home 96 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: in Australian media, it wasn't the big story of the day. 97 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 10: Drama and desperation in Canberra. It's here. 98 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: Four hours after the misogyny speech, Peter Slipper resigned. 99 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 9: Shock resignation of Peter Slipper labors. 100 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 3: As a reminder. Peter Slipper was the Speaker of the 101 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: House of Representatives. He resigned after he was accused of 102 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 3: sexually harassing a staffer. 103 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 10: Private text messages were revealed in which he made offensive 104 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 10: remarks and deeply insulting comments about women in general. 105 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: Politically, so, when Gillard made the misogyny speech, not to 106 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: call out Peter Slipper but the leader of the opposition, 107 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: some saw it as a political distraction. 108 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 13: I think Peter Hartcher and the Cydney Morning Herald said 109 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 13: something like we'd expect better of Gillard, and Michelle Gratton, 110 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 13: who was writing for the Age, said that was more 111 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 13: desperate than convincing. 112 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: The take by journalists in the press gallery a Parliament 113 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: House was pretty unanimous, with headlines life B. M. 114 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 5: Wilroot yet another bad call. 115 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 7: Gillard fail's key test of leadership. 116 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 2: Gillard will not defend respects for women. What will she defend? 117 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: After Slipper resigned, a Labor MP stepped in to replace him. 118 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 11: Labours Anna Burke has taken over the role as the 119 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 11: new speaker in Parliament. 120 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: Because the speaker doesn't typically vote on legislation, it meant 121 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: the government, already in a minority, was in essence losing 122 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 3: another seat. 123 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 8: Really, it means that the government is going to struggle 124 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 8: to get legislation through on the floor of the House 125 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 8: now that Peter Slipper is sitting. 126 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 11: As an indict You know, the big story at the 127 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 11: end of that day wasn't about that speech. 128 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 3: Phil Cury was part of the press gallery. He was 129 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: the chief political correspondent at the Cdney Morning Herald. 130 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 11: I mean you were talking about a government on the 131 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 11: Brinker collapse, you know, and this was a wounded prime 132 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 11: minister who was on her last legs. She was basically 133 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 11: playing her last card. That was really how it was 134 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 11: seen then. She was playing the last card in the 135 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 11: pack to try and survive as a prime minister in 136 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 11: the government. 137 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 14: The press gallery almost entirely missed it significance. 138 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 3: Sean Kelly was an advisor to Gillard. 139 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 14: The press gallery almost as one decided that it was 140 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 14: only a slippery political maneuver. I think for that reason 141 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 14: they missed one of the largest political stories of the 142 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 14: last twenty years. 143 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 11: I think in hindsight, now you know, we're all experts, 144 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 11: you know we would have done more with it. You know, 145 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 11: it caught us all on it. Where is I think, 146 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 11: especially as blokes, we probably didn't see the significance of it. 147 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 11: But there's a lot of female reporters too who sort 148 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 11: of think we should have done more. 149 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: With it than When journalists did turn their focus to 150 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: the speech, a lot of the coverage focused on Abbot's response, 151 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: and remember. 152 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 11: I think Tony Abbott was accusing of playing the gender card. 153 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 11: That was That was the sort of follow up story 154 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 11: the next day. 155 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: And I think it's time that everyone in the Parliament 156 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 4: moved on from this gender card, which so many members 157 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 4: of the government had been playing. 158 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 14: It is hard now to adequately capture the tension and 159 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 14: pressure within that on the government. Towards the end of twenty. 160 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: Twelve, making a Labor MP the Speaker meant they couldn't 161 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: rely on her vote. Then in February twenty thirteen, the 162 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: Greens ended their agreement. 163 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 15: Withdrawing its support for Julia Gillard and her fragile government. 164 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 11: There was a lot of MPs who knew that if 165 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 11: Julia Gillard took them to the twenty third in election, 166 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 11: they were going to lose their seats, So they were 167 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 11: going to get wiped there. 168 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: In March twenty thirteen, forces within the Labor Party attempted 169 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 3: a leadership spill. 170 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 11: Something needs to be done to break this deadlock, to 171 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 11: resolve the issue once and for all. 172 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: Gillard survived the attempt on her leadership. 173 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 6: Today, the leadership of our political party, the Labor Party, 174 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 6: has been settled, and settled in the most conclusive fashion possible. 175 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: But while she was struggling for control in the party room, 176 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: she was facing other battles in the media. 177 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 7: Like believe it or not, there was even more misogyny 178 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 7: after the Miss Jenny's. 179 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 4: Speech, Miss Rumas, snide jokes and the nuendos, you've been 180 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 4: the butt of them many times. 181 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 7: Well, I think that's probably right. We've certainly seen that 182 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 7: this week. 183 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 13: There were radio presenters asking Julia if her partner was 184 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 13: gay because he was a hairdresser. 185 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 11: Can I test a few out in what way Tim's gay? 186 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 7: Well, that's not me saying that's a myth. Well that's absurd, 187 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 7: but if you hear it, he must be gay as 188 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 7: a hairdresser. There was a young Liberals menu. 189 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 15: And obscene and sexist menu at a Liberal Party fund 190 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 15: raise that has severely embarrassed the Federal Opposition. 191 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 9: On offered Julia Gillard Kentucky fried quail, small breasts, huge 192 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 9: thighs and an obscenity not fit for. 193 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 7: TV, big red box or something horrific. 194 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 3: The Liberal National Party claims this was a joke and 195 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: that the menu was never circulated, but it was something 196 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: even oppositionally to Tony Abbott condemned at the time. 197 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 4: And I think all of us should be better than that, 198 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 4: and I think we should all rise above for that 199 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 4: kind of tardiness. 200 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: Gillard had experience dealing with gender language, but now post 201 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: misogyny speech, a new phrase merged. 202 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 9: She's reignited the gender wars. 203 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 7: And copecting false gender wars. The gender wars. 204 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 11: I wrote a story. It was on the front page 205 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 11: of Australian Financial Review and the headline was leadership fatal 206 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 11: or something and her pratorian guard the people who had 207 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 11: been standing by her through everything. Tony Burke, Mark butler 208 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 11: Penny Wong, I'd found out had told it, Julie, you 209 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 11: got to go for the good of the party. It 210 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 11: was just the reality they were going to get murdered 211 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 11: if she took them to the election. And she rang 212 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 11: me and she was really angry, said, oh, mister Curry, 213 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 11: you're just another one of those misogynists in the press gallery. 214 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 11: And I said, oh, come on. 215 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: When we asked Gillard about this, a spokesperson said she 216 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 3: can't recall the conversation. 217 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 11: I said, come on, that's completely outrageous. It's nothing to 218 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 11: do with misogyny. So I think I was a little 219 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 11: bit annoyed because I think in the end she used it, 220 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 11: she used it as an excuse when it wasn't there 221 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 11: as well. 222 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: On the twenty sixth of June twenty thirteen, a few 223 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 3: months out from the election, a third attempt was made 224 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: on Gillard by her own party. 225 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 7: Good Evening, here we go again. 226 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 15: Federal Labor MPs will vote in two hours on who. 227 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 7: Should be prime minister. 228 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 6: We cannot be in a circumstance where the nightly news 229 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 6: has been as the nightly news has been for much 230 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 6: of my prime ministership. If the truth be told where 231 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 6: I have been in a political contest with the leader 232 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 6: of the opposition, but I've also been in a political 233 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 6: contest with people from my own political party. No leader 234 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 6: should be in that position, Certainly no leader should be 235 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 6: in that position in the run up to an election. 236 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: And so tonight, hired of the constant attacks, she issued 237 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: an ultimatus. 238 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 6: That if you win your Labor leader that if you lose, 239 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 6: you retire from politics. Agreeing to do that. Oh absolutely, 240 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 6: if you lose tonight, you will leave Parliament at the election. 241 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 7: Correct, gooday, this way guys. 242 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: At five pm, Rudd made it. 243 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: Official today, I'm announcing that I will be a candidate 244 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 4: for the position of leader of the Parliamentary Labor Party. 245 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 3: And when it went to a vote ride one. 246 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 16: Good even Kevin right Is to return as Prime Minister. 247 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 16: He won tonight's Labor Party leadership vote. 248 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 10: Return a staggering day in federal politics, as the nation's 249 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 10: first female prime minister was thrown out of office by 250 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 10: a resurgent to Kevin Right. 251 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 16: Now shortly were returning to the top job just over 252 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 16: three years to the day since he was ousted by 253 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 16: Julia Gillard. 254 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: True to her commitment, Gillard resigned as leader and said 255 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 3: she would quit politics altogether. 256 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 6: In accordance with the pledge I gave earlier today, I 257 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 6: announced that I will not recontest the federal electorate of 258 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 6: Lawler at the fourthcoming federal election. I want to just 259 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 6: say a few remarks about being the first woman to 260 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 6: serve in this position. There's been a lot of analysis 261 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 6: about the so called gender wars, me playing the so 262 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 6: called gender card, because heavens knows, no one noticed I 263 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 6: was a woman until I raised it. But against that background, 264 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 6: I do want to say about all of these issues. 265 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 6: The reaction to being the first female prime minister does 266 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 6: not explain everything about my prime ministership, nor does it 267 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 6: explain nothing about my prime ministership. It explains some things, 268 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 6: and it is for the nation to think in a 269 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 6: sophisticated way about those shades of gray, that. 270 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 8: Idea that gender doesn't explain everything, It doesn't explain nothing. 271 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 12: It explains some things. 272 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 8: There are always a bunch of different factors, but to 273 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 8: discard gender as a factor is not good enough. 274 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 3: Some of Gillard's final words as Prime Minister were about 275 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: the treatment she received as a woman. But before this speech, 276 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: before the misogyny speech, she had mostly kept quiet on gender. 277 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: The question I have is should she have spoken about 278 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: it sooner? 279 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 8: I wonder how it would have been received if she 280 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 8: had called it out earlier. I think I wish she'd 281 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 8: let others call it out earlier for her, because I 282 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 8: know that before the misogyny speech, there were key members 283 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 8: of that government, including Wayne Swann who was the Treasurer 284 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 8: and the Deputy Leader, who were furious on her behalf 285 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 8: and wanted to defend her. 286 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 7: And she didn't want that. 287 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 8: She didn't want it to seem like she was the 288 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 8: damsel in distress and needed a bloke to come in 289 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 8: and call it out for her right. And having had 290 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 8: the privilege to sort of ask her those kind of questions, 291 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 8: I suspect there's a bit of regret on her part. 292 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 3: I also asked Taniel Pivosk whether Gillard should have called 293 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: the misogyny out sooner. 294 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 5: No, I think I should have. 295 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: Today she's the Federal Environment Minister, but back in twenty 296 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: twelve she was a minister in Gillard's government. 297 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 5: My generation of female parliamentarians made the mistake that if 298 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 5: we just did our jobs well enough, the sexism would stop. 299 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 5: And it just doesn't work. That way, I think the 300 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 5: misogyny speech was the turning point where we finally felt 301 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 5: kind of liberated to say enough's enough, that feeling that 302 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 5: every woman has had it some stage, like I've had it. 303 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 5: I've put up with this shit for long enough. I've 304 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 5: had it ten years on. 305 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say the political context of 306 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: the misogyny speech has been largely forgotten, but the misogyny 307 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 3: speech has lived on in a way few predicted at 308 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: the time, in the memories of women around the world 309 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: and across the political spectrum. 310 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 17: And if it's inspired young women to stand up for 311 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 17: themselves and not accept treatment that they shouldn't in a workplace, 312 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 17: and then I think that that has been strong and 313 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,239 Speaker 17: inspirational and focused. 314 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: Susan Lee was in opposition in twenty twelve. She's currently 315 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: the deputy leader of the Liberal Party. 316 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 17: There was much that I admired about her status as 317 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 17: our first female prime minister. For example, when I bought 318 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 17: groups of school children and there was an opportunity to 319 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 17: meet her, I always tried very hard for the girls 320 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 17: in the class to meet her as our first female 321 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 17: prime minister, and that was a status I respected then 322 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 17: and of course still respect Now. 323 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 8: She took a place in the international zeitgeist that was 324 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 8: far beyond the Prime Minister of Australia and more was 325 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 8: like this warrior for gender and I think again, you've 326 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 8: got to remember the time ten years ago we weren't 327 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 8: talking about gender the way we are. This is pre 328 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 8: me too, and she started a conversation that was way 329 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 8: bigger than Australian politics. 330 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 13: It would have been amazing to see what else she 331 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 13: could have done. 332 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 7: But at the. 333 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 13: Same time, there was also this relief that we. 334 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 7: Didn't have to endure those attacks anymore. 335 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 8: That government passed more legislation than any other government has 336 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 8: in this country's history, more change and reform was made 337 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 8: by that government than any other. 338 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 13: So it was pretty devastating because I wonder what Gillard 339 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 13: could have achieved if she hadn't had all these other 340 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 13: forces working against her. 341 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 11: You know, she wasn't brought down and the Inn by 342 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 11: her own side because she was a woman. She was 343 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 11: brought down by her own side because the whole experiment 344 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 11: had failed and they needed to save their seats. 345 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: Kevin Rudd took the Labor Party to the twenty thirteen election. 346 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: They lost. 347 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 17: My view was that Julia Gillard led an incompetent and 348 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 17: chaotic government, as did Kevin Rudd, and that whole period 349 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 17: of the Australian Parliament and the actions and activities and well, 350 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 17: there's really only one word chaos that happened at the 351 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 17: time is many people's memory of the entirety of the 352 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 17: Rudd Gillard Rudd years. 353 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 14: There was a perfect storm of factors. And if you 354 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 14: take away the fact that the government was in minority, 355 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 14: if you take away the undermining way Kevin Rudd and 356 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 14: his forces, if you take away the campaign against the 357 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 14: carbon tax, broken promise and the misogyny that we've spoken about, 358 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 14: then maybe Julia Gillard's prime ministership is different. But with 359 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 14: each of those elements, I think it was almost inevitable 360 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 14: that she would lose the leadership. 361 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 11: The public wasn't ready for her, and she wasn't ready 362 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 11: for the job. She would have been Prime minister eventually 363 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 11: might not have been till now. People would have known 364 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 11: her a lot better, they would become accustomed to the 365 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 11: fact she was single, and all those things, they wouldn't 366 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 11: have been problems like they aren't problems now for. 367 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: Elbow, Australia's current Prime Minister Anthony ALBERIZI has a partner 368 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: like Guillard, they aren't married. 369 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 11: And she would have been a wonderful prime minister. 370 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 14: In the years since, I think, if anything, I've become 371 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 14: angrier about the way that Julie Gillard was treated, about 372 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 14: the sexism that was used as a weapon against her, 373 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 14: because I think as a society we failed, We failed 374 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 14: that test, and that that's not to absolve Julia or 375 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 14: her prime ministership of mistakes, you know, mistakes that I 376 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 14: was party too. It's not to claim that that was 377 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 14: a perfect government, but it is to say that I 378 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 14: think as a society we failed to stand up to 379 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 14: a national outpouring of sexism, and you know that's a 380 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 14: that's a failure which blocks our record. 381 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 3: Ten years on from Gillard's misogyny. S feet have we 382 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 3: learned from our. 383 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 8: Mistakes, insinuations and sexualizabullying. 384 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 5: I was so terrified that it been made to be 385 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 5: my fault. 386 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 3: Or have things gotten worse? 387 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 16: You're not fit to represent your constituents and you're not 388 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 16: fit to call yourself men. 389 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 3: Next week on the Mirror. 390 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 14: An explosive allegation that throws the spotlight on the culture 391 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 14: inside Parliament House. 392 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 12: It's actually an intensely harrowing experience. 393 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 15: Federal Parliament has been rocked by further allegations. 394 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 17: I don't think we realized that there were so many 395 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 17: of these circumstances. 396 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 5: I find that actually really heartbreaking. 397 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: The Mirror is researched by Lucy Tassel, produced and edited 398 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: by Nina Copple. 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