1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: I remember so well following the story of the people 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: on seven Up, Seven Up documentary. You never saw it, Brendan, 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 2: did you? 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 3: No? 6 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 4: I do know of it, but I've never watched it. 7 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 4: I've seen little clips of it, but I think it 8 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 4: might have been before my time when it first started. 9 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an extraordinary series, fascinating. It takes the idea 10 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: originally inspired by the Jesuit motto give me a child 11 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: until he is seven, and I will give you the man, 12 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: and the English version was this is an English series 13 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: by a documentary maker, Michael Apdad who's passed away in 14 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: the last few years. But it was the idea also 15 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: of looking at class divisions. Who are you when you're 16 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 2: seven and who are you as an adult? But I'm 17 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: sure that all of them who signed on had no 18 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 2: idea that they'd have to do this every seven years 19 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: until twenty nineteen. The last one was when they were 20 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: sixty three years old, and. 21 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 4: So it was always seven up and then fourteen up, 22 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 4: then twenty one up. 23 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, et cetera, et cetera. Good's My Mats twenty eight, 24 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: thirty five, forty two, fifty nine, fifty six sixty three. 25 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 4: They're not the lot of numbers. 26 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 2: By the way, it is a lot for a kid 27 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: to live up to, because we first meet them when 28 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: they are seven, and all their young opinions, as young teens, 29 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: and particularly the young entitle ones he'll come from more money. 30 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: It's a lot for some of them to live up to. 31 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: And I know one of them dropped out when he 32 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: was twenty one. He went on to be a journal 33 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: because he just every time, you've got to answer to yourself. 34 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: And it's interesting. There's a young girl called Jackie in 35 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 2: twenty one Up. She's from the East End. She'd already 36 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: been married by the age of twenty one, and Michael Lapded, 37 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 2: the filmmaker, says, have you tied them? Not too young? Well, 38 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: over the years she had kids, she divorced, she remarried, 39 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: divorced again. She raised her kids as a single mum. 40 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: She was so feisty and strong, and that question kind 41 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: of hung over her. And in forty nine Up she 42 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: fights back and called out the filmmaker for underestimating her. 43 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: And that's what's so interesting. You see these kids when 44 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: they're little and they're burdened by the PUNSI stuff. They 45 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: say or they fight their dreams and their hopes. Imagine 46 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: having that laid out every seven years to see if 47 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: you've lived up to your potential. 48 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 4: It would be so hard, actually that there is quite 49 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 4: a toll on that, because when you think about it, 50 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 4: it sounds kind of fun. But if you were the 51 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 4: protagonist of this, you would feel you. 52 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: Had to have some kind of worthwhile life. And if 53 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: you've chosen differently to what you wanted and you're happy 54 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: with that, you'd have to defend your decisions. It would 55 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: be very, very hard. Well, one of them has passed away. 56 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: His name is Nicholas Hitchin, and he kind of defied 57 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: the notion of who you are as a working class 58 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: small kid would lead to who you were going to be. 59 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: That's what's been so interesting. He grew up in a 60 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: one room rural schoolhouse and went on to be a 61 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: PhD scientist. He had an extraordinary intellectual life. Here he 62 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: is as a little kid. 63 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 4: Do you have a girlfriend? 64 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: I don't want to answer that. I don't answer those 65 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 3: kind of questions. 66 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: He stood out early for knowing himself. He really did 67 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: so smart. He's passed away at the age of sixty 68 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: five from throat cancer. In sixty three, Up spoke about 69 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 2: the fight he was having with throat cancer. He was 70 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: living in America. He had become, as I said, an 71 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: eminent PhD scientist. But he didn't want to talk about girlfriends. 72 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: But how cute are these little listen to how upper 73 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: class these little seven year old sound? What do you 74 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: think about girl friends at your age? 75 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got one and I don't think much of her. 76 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: And they all take you away from whatever game you're 77 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: playing your I don't want to play that girls. 78 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like the girls. I've got one, but 79 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: I don't think much of her. 80 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 4: Babes that. 81 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: One of the saddest stories through the seam of this 82 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: entire documentary series was Neil. Well, here's Neil as a 83 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: little seven year old gorgeous boy. 84 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: When I grow up, I want to be an astronaut. 85 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: But if I can't be an astronaut, I think I'll 86 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 3: be a coach driver. 87 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: Driver. 88 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to take people to the cot and 89 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: sometimes take him to the seaside, and I'll have a 90 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: big loud speaker in the motor coach and tell them 91 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: we're about we are on what we're going to do, 92 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: and what the name of the Road is. 93 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: All about so gorgeous. But what was so hard was 94 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: that when you saw him then as a fourteen year 95 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: old and then as a twenty one year old. Well, 96 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: we now know he had schizophrenia, he had mental illness, 97 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: but when you see him as that rubby little kid, 98 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: and then he was so withdrawn and different. 99 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 4: Now that happened when he was twenty one. 100 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: I think I even noticed it at fourteen, And I remember, 101 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: in my ignorance, I'm a similar age, thinking, what's his 102 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: family done to him? How have they stripped? Not what 103 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: a nut? How's that family stripped the joy from him? 104 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: But how hard it must have been for his family 105 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 2: to see. Now he's alive, but he became homeless for 106 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: a while, a period of time. He I think he 107 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: was living in a cave somewhere. But he's he's joined 108 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: the church, I think in his fifties. But he's been 109 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: a loner. 110 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: But he hasn't read trouble. 111 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, he kept up with the. 112 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 4: Show, going back on the show. 113 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's he's a recluse and sort of a drifter. 114 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 2: And then remember Tony. If you've loved this show, you 115 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: will know Tony he was this feisty little kid from 116 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 2: the East End. Tony was brought up in the East 117 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: End of London. 118 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: I want to be I want to be. 119 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: What will you do if you don't make it as 120 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: a jockey. I don't know what do you think you 121 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: would do that? On twenty one he was on the 122 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: knowledge and by twenty eight he owned his own cab. 123 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: I'll give you a story which happened. The dorman called 124 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: me up and it was buzz Ordering the Spaceman, and 125 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: we drove out the fore court of the hotel and 126 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: a cab pulled up and taxi driver said, can you 127 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: get his autograph? So I heard it. I say, mister Order, 128 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: I said, can I have your autograph please? And the 129 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: cab he said, no, I don't want his autograph. I 130 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: want your autograph and I can't ask your joking Edger. 131 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: And to this day I thought myself, you know I'm 132 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: more famous and buzz Ordering he was the second man 133 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: on the. 134 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: Moon, the Spaceman. The sliding doors of their lives. It's 135 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 2: an incredible series, an incredible series, and you know how 136 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: sad it is to have lost Nicholas, but it's an 137 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: amazing series.