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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio is the Opposition leader

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Speaker 1: Lea Fanochi.

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Speaker 2: Oh, good morning, Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, we know that this situation in Catherine, it

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Speaker 1: obviously remains quite a concern. We've heard there are some

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Speaker 1: concerns with groceries and essential items as well. The Chief

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Speaker 1: Minister yesterday saying that we're not expecting that lockdown to

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Speaker 1: lift until December four.

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Speaker 3: What are you being told out of Catherine at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yes, certainly.

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Speaker 4: Our Member for Catherine, Joe Hersey, is out on the

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Speaker 4: ground and feeding back both to government and to us

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Speaker 4: things that are happening in Catherine. It's fair to say

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Speaker 4: it had a very bumpy start. It was quite chaotic.

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Speaker 4: People were very confused, people couldn't access testing. A lot

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Speaker 4: of that seems to have sorted itself out now and

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Speaker 4: I know the health and emergency personnel out there have

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Speaker 4: done a great job, but you know it's therein for

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Speaker 4: the long haul in Catherine. It's really tough and to

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Speaker 4: have you particularly Woollies and other shops in that situation

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Speaker 4: where people can't get access to essential services or limited

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Speaker 4: access is.

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Speaker 2: Something that needs to be with it.

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Speaker 4: It looks like government have made steps to address those shortfalls,

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Speaker 4: but there'll be a lot of businesses who really.

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Speaker 2: Are questioning how they're going to get through this.

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Speaker 4: And equally, I think everyone in that community just wants

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Speaker 4: to make sure everyone's safe, that we get to the

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Speaker 4: bottom of this, the two clusters, and you know, hopefully

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Speaker 4: just see the end to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I do think that most people want to see this thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, see everything sort of clear up as quickly

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Speaker 1: as possible, and hope that it does. I know that

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Speaker 1: there has been really a lot to take in this

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Speaker 1: week and on Monday there will the announcement on the

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Speaker 1: public service bonus. So it essentially means a ten thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars bonus for public servants over a.

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Speaker 3: Four year period. Lea, do you think that this should happen.

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Speaker 4: Well, we think it'd be fantastic to happen, but the

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Speaker 4: government just simply can't afford it. I mean, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: The government spent taxpayers dollars a few years ago to

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Speaker 4: implement the Langolant Report. Now, the Langolant Report was a

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Speaker 4: report done into budget. It was very clear that the

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Speaker 4: public service should be offered a one thousand dollars pay

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Speaker 4: rise every year going forward, and so we accepted the

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Speaker 4: Langolant recommendations. It's a responsible measure for our budget, but

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Speaker 4: also doesn't punish the public service in the sense that

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Speaker 4: it's real wages growth. It's something you can take to

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Speaker 4: the bank, you know, like when you when you get

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Speaker 4: a pay rise, when you have a contract, you can

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Speaker 4: go and get a mortgage, you can go and sort

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Speaker 4: your finances out. But this promise of a bonus really

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Speaker 4: isn't worth the paper it's written on it.

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Speaker 1: So you do think that they should still get the

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Speaker 1: pay increase.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we think the one thousand dollars a year pay

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Speaker 4: increase is fair, manageable, reasonable, and it's what Langolance said.

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Speaker 4: This ten thousand dollars has come out of nowhere. It's

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Speaker 4: the Gunner government's way of trying to buy votes close

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Speaker 4: to Christmas. They're clearly throwing the Langolant report in the

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Speaker 4: bin and have no commitment to budget repair. But equally,

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Speaker 4: that's not providing any security to those public servants. They

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Speaker 4: can't take the promise of a pay rise to secure

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Speaker 1: Equally, at the end of the day, though we are

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Speaker 1: talking about thirty million dollars in savings, and you know

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Speaker 1: that then as soon as it's gone into you know,

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Speaker 1: the bank, we're spending it again. Is that really what

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Speaker 1: we should be doing, This would be actually trying to

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Speaker 1: make sure that we're saving this money.

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Speaker 4: It's worse than that, Katie. That money is not a savings.

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Speaker 4: Michael Gunner never had that money in the first place.

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Speaker 4: Let's not forget Langolean exposed that we were borrowing four

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Speaker 4: which is from the four hundred odd public servants who

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Speaker 4: so for the Michael Gunner to all of a sudden

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Speaker 4: we've likened it to spending your lottery winnings without even

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Speaker 1: So I guess you know, at the heart of this,

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Speaker 1: because we've got four hundred public servants who've decided not

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Speaker 1: to get the JAB. You know, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: going to have absolutely no impact on service delivery. But

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Speaker 1: I have seen a breakdown of those numbers. It's five

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Speaker 3: How is that not going to have an impact on

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Speaker 2: Of course it will. I mean it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Just a month ago we were desperately trying to hire

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Speaker 4: we've had four code yellows this year alone in Royal

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Speaker 2: We know our health system is in crisis.

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Speaker 4: The gun and government, because we're so broke, have not

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Speaker 4: we've seen in other jurisdictions who've pumped hundreds of millions

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Speaker 4: So this really does show that they're just grasping at straws.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're all over the place when it comes

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Speaker 4: where the government's tracking going forward.

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Speaker 2: And you know what.

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Speaker 4: About the public the private sector. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: A bad government.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a moment.

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about these changes to the

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Speaker 1: to make it really clear for our listeners, when it

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Speaker 1: at the moment. The opposition the COLP does not support

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Speaker 4: No, so not a bonus, a pay rise. So the

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Speaker 4: Langland Report into budget repair. So the public service should

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Speaker 4: Your wage will not increase, but will throw some trinkets

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Speaker 2: Close to Christmas.

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Speaker 4: And what we're saying is you can't take trinkets to

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Speaker 1: All right. I know a lot of people listening this

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Speaker 1: I know that you've said that it's not actually a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well it doesn't exist because we would we would

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Speaker 4: have borrowed those people's wages. So those four hundred public

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Speaker 2: So it's not a real saving. It just means less

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Speaker 4: But instead of putting it on the bottom line or

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Speaker 1: All right. We know that today the Minister Paul Kirby

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Speaker 3: Been described as a surprise Christmas gift.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know that some people are sort of a

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Speaker 4: So this sounds like a bit of bluff and blustered

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Speaker 2: But ultimately, you know, it's just the gunn of.

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Speaker 4: Government HARKing back to what they know best, and that's

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Speaker 4: to throw out presents.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it going to have an impact on businesses,

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Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, it's great if

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Speaker 2: It's a huge impact.

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Speaker 4: When the first thing Michael Gunna did when becoming Chief

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Speaker 2: Now this is an entire additional.

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Speaker 4: Day, and you know who pays for this, Katie, it's

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Speaker 4: cover those wages. Now, it's lovely for everyone to get

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Speaker 4: when you overlay COVID and the pressure and lack of

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Speaker 1: Well, and I will make sure that we catch up

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Speaker 1: of impact this will have on business. Leah, I understand

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Speaker 1: you guys have just released a statement this morning saying

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Speaker 3: What's happened.

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Speaker 4: So, of course, a few months ago we learned that

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Speaker 4: Now that was meant to be up to twelve hundred

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Speaker 4: Now that has just flown in the face of victims.

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Speaker 4: a portion of this thirty five million dollars, what process

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Speaker 4: has to be followed, who was administering it?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 4: Is there a cap or limit on the amount any

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Speaker 4: one youth criminal can get out of this compensation? And

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Speaker 4: the Gunner government knows the answers, but instead has just

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Speaker 4: fobbed us off to the lawyers. They've completely devolved any

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Speaker 4: responsibility to the legal team for the youth criminals, might

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Speaker 4: I add, and just have sort of handed over this

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Speaker 4: thirty five million dollars and said, oh, well, here you go,

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Speaker 4: Morris Blackburn, you guys work it out.

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Speaker 1: And so what detail were you really wanting to get here?

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Speaker 1: What you know, what exactly do you think that Territorians

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Speaker 1: need to know about?

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Speaker 4: Well, we think given there's only been a third of

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Speaker 4: the number of youths come forward that was originally anticipated,

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Speaker 4: the government's got to go back to the courts and say, well,

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Speaker 4: hang on a second, we set aside thirty five because

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Speaker 4: there was going to be twelve hundred. There's now only

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Speaker 4: four hundred and sixty odd youths. We've got to scale

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Speaker 4: that back two thirds, so you know, it's still a

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Speaker 4: hideous amount of money around eleven million dollars. But people

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Speaker 4: deserve to know what criteria these youths can apply. I mean,

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Speaker 4: what constitutes mistreatment in prison? How much can one youth claim?

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Speaker 4: I mean, can one offender walk away with ten million

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Speaker 4: dollars and the others one thousand dollars? I mean, there

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Speaker 4: just seems to be no transparency around.

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Speaker 1: Is going to be any push for them to have

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Speaker 1: to pay back any of their victims?

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not, And that's what we've been saying.

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Speaker 4: If one single dollar of compensation is paid to these us,

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Speaker 4: their victims should be paid first. We know that restitution

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Speaker 4: is dealt with abhorrently in the Northern Territory. Victims get

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Speaker 4: absolutely nothing, and it's just not good enough. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is just so offender focus. It's not funny. And

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Speaker 4: to just give away thirty five million dollars and then

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Speaker 4: let the lawyers and the criminals work it out just

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Speaker 4: blows my mind.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah Fanocchiara, we are going to have to leave

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Speaker 1: it there, Opposition Leader. Always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, everyone, Take care