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Speaker 1: This is jam Nation with Jones.

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Speaker 2: I see the Morcambs have come out about that movie

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Speaker 2: that's going to be released that supposedly is not supposed

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Speaker 2: to be about the story of the abduction of their

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Speaker 2: son Daniel, but about the police operation mister big As

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Speaker 2: they call it, to trap that scumbag pedo. They but rightly,

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Speaker 2: they don't want Daniel's name mentioned or brought up. Ironically,

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Speaker 2: I'm mentioning it.

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Speaker 1: Now, but you may have heard that on the news.

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Speaker 3: His parents have said, Look, if it's being made without

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Speaker 3: reference to him, great, but if his name's been mentioned

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Speaker 3: in this, we're not.

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Speaker 1: Comfortable with that.

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Speaker 2: And that's fair enough.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, isn't it, all this true crime stuff, these

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Speaker 3: podcasts and movies.

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Speaker 1: We had a movie about Martin Bryant recently.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see the film apparently was amazing, and the

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Speaker 3: people who saw it said it was in no way

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Speaker 3: a homage in any way to Martin Bryan.

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Speaker 2: And they call that nit tram to not even use

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Speaker 2: his name.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, But true podcasts and movies are the

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Speaker 3: best sellers. They're the things we're listening to, they're the

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Speaker 3: things we're watching, and it does tap into our base emotions,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's like the parish pump and are they

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Speaker 3: cautionary tales? How would I have responded?

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Speaker 1: What would I do if this happened to me?

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Speaker 3: It's human nature to be intrigued, but we do have

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Speaker 3: to be respectful at people on the other end. In

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Speaker 3: case in point, this isn't a crime, but very interesting.

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Speaker 3: You may have seen this on the news. There's a

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Speaker 3: woman who was having a cup of coffee at a

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Speaker 3: shopping center when a young man came up to her

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Speaker 3: with some flowers and said, can you look after these

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Speaker 3: for a moment? She held the flowers and then he

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Speaker 3: just walked away. She finds out later that she's been

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Speaker 3: put on a TikTok. So this is a guy who's

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Speaker 3: some young influencer and she's been put on a TikTok.

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Speaker 1: And this has been viewed sixty million times, so.

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Speaker 2: There's all this feel good stuff.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, but it's all about him giving her the flowers.

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Speaker 3: And she said, and I find this really interesting. She

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Speaker 3: said she felt dehumanized by the experience, and the stunt

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Speaker 3: portrayed her as quote a pathetic old woman. She said,

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Speaker 3: I felt like I was the butt of a joke somehow,

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Speaker 3: sitting there having a cup of coffee. Mine in my

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Speaker 3: own business. But the trope is I'm a lonely old

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Speaker 3: lady and a young man gives me flowers and I

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Speaker 3: should be grateful.

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Speaker 2: And now she's got to deal with these flowers. She

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Speaker 2: might have had to catch a bus or a tram

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Speaker 2: going to carry on a big bunch of flowers.

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Speaker 3: We're all content now, we are all content. So she

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Speaker 3: felt like this was all about him. It's like people

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Speaker 3: film themselves handing a homeless person money. It's all a

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Speaker 3: backdoor brag about yourself stuff.

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Speaker 2: I do a lot of good in the community, but

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Speaker 2: I don't film myself doing it. I'm helping old ladies

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Speaker 2: and people with flat tires and stuff like that, but

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Speaker 2: I don't film.

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Speaker 1: You don't film it because you're a genuine person.

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Speaker 2: What about remember though, the Impulse commercials of the nineties,

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Speaker 2: Remember that there'd be a girl and there's always likes

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Speaker 2: to it's a bit titillating because she'd be spraying on

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Speaker 2: the Impulse and you get a bit of side buss

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Speaker 2: there in the commercial.

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Speaker 3: But the guy who gave her the flowers was always

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Speaker 3: her own age.

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Speaker 1: The guy ran up because he loved her and gave

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Speaker 1: her flowers.

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Speaker 2: When a man you've never met before suddenly gives you flowers,

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Speaker 2: that's impulse. They're all over body spray with the reassurance

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Speaker 2: of an effective deodorant.

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Speaker 1: But now you feel you're being.

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Speaker 2: Puntposs men just can't help acting on it.

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Speaker 1: That's of its time.

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Speaker 2: That might be triggering. So a strange man that gave.

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Speaker 1: You flowers, no, not even a nice man.

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Speaker 2: When you're in the food coror after the show, what

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Speaker 2: happens if some young men come out and give you

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Speaker 2: a big bunch of fris and.

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Speaker 1: Think I'm a pathetic old lady looking for attention.

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Speaker 2: Job done.