1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: And Amanda Jamnation. Well, it sounds like the stuff of 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,120 Speaker 1: science fiction, but it's real and it's here. A cryogenics 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: company has just frozen their first client right here in Australia. 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: An eighty year old Sydney man has just made history, 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: becoming ice bound in the hopes of being brought back 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: to life later. The director of the facility who has 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: made all this happen is Peter Tosler Kaidis, and he 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: joins us now. 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 2: Hello, Peter, Hi, good morning, and thank you for inviting 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: me on your program. 11 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: I find we'd love fascinating about this stuff because we're 12 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: a man and I have always been fascinated about what 13 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: Romany's cryogenically frozen head, which we know is not true. 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: It's an urban myth. 15 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, it's an urban myth, but it's something 16 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: that a lot of people get interested in and causes 17 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: some interesting chronics. So that's that's okay. 18 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Well, look, I don't even know. There are so many 19 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: things I want to ask you. First of all, this 20 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: man who has himself cryogenically frozen. Obviously at the moment 21 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: you have to wait till you are dead. At what 22 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: point does he be brought to your facility. 23 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: Okay, So what basically happens, and I'll very quickly explain it. 24 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 2: After he's prescribed dead by a doctor, legally dead. What 25 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: we do is we're at the hospital, we take the patient. 26 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: Then we start a cooling process just with ice, take 27 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: the patient to a funeral home. At the funeral home, 28 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: we begin with stabilization chemicals and other things we inject. 29 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: We refuse the body with certain chemicals and that basically 30 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: it's a sort of an anti freeze, a very clinically 31 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: grade anti freeze. We then drop the temperature to about 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: minus eighty which is dry ice temperature. That's a process 33 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: that sounds easy, but it takes over a day and 34 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: a half to do that. From that, we take the 35 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: patient to the facility itself, which is in whole book 36 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: Whole Book, New South Wales. After that, what we do 37 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: is we start another process of trying to bring the 38 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: patient or bringing the patient down to liquid niten temperatures, 39 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: which is minus one eighty minus one ninety degrees. What 40 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: we're doing is we're fighting against time to keep dropping 41 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: the patient's temperature, but dropping it down in a scientific 42 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: way so we don't cause any damage, particularly to the brain. 43 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: And then what happens is after all that process, we 44 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: put them in a special computer controlled cooling box we 45 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: call it, and then after it's dropped to minus one 46 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 2: eighty we then put the patient into that two hour 47 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: which is like a very large thermos fask filled with 48 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: liquid nitesgen. 49 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: Well, that's the freezing process, and you've got the science 50 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: down path for that, the defrosting. What damage can be 51 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: done to the cells on the way out? Do you 52 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: know that when you bring someone out of this it 53 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: can be successful? 54 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 2: No, we don't. And again we say there's no guarantees 55 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: in chronics, but don't forget that. The bringing out is 56 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: for the science of say one hundred to two hundred 57 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 2: years from now. Nobody knows whether it's going to be 58 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: successful or not, because once the patient's is at minus 59 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: liquid knit in temperatures, they can stay there for hundreds 60 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: of years. Almost all chemical re actions and physics type 61 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: reactions stop at that time, so they can be in 62 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: there for hundreds of years. So we're looking for the 63 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: science of the future. 64 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: But practically, then, with your facility, this man has paid 65 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy thousand dollars, I think, what does 66 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: that get him. I mean, you can't even trust a 67 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: gym membership. How do we how do what happens if 68 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: the power goes out? What happens if your company changes hands? 69 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: What guarantees can you give to him? 70 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me answer them one by one 71 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 2: if I can. We don't depend on power. Basically, it's 72 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: deliveries of liquid knitchn. The most important component is liquid Knightchen, 73 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: which is by this we're particularly located. So we have 74 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: three supplies, actually four supplies of liquid Knitchen in that area, 75 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: so that's not a problem. The power could be out 76 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: for months and it wouldn't bother us. Of course the 77 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: rest of Australia might be done, but that we could 78 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: be all right. But the other side of it is 79 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: we are a non profit organization. We have a depth 80 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: in our organization. Even with our current membership. We have 81 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: people in my age, which is actually the retirement going 82 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: our age. Then we have another generation, then we have 83 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: another generation, et cetera. As people reach a particular age. 84 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: Our organization is very, very interested in what we're doing. 85 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: They're almost passionate about what we're doing. So we have 86 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: people that keep taking over over time. So the people 87 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: part is covered like that, and then the third part 88 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: is the economic part. And the economic part, we're very 89 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 2: prudent in what we're doing with the funds, very simply, 90 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: very simply, and I wor't in your economics. We basically 91 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: put the funds into some very reasonable interest rate, but 92 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: very secure interest rate, and the interest rate of those 93 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: funds that the patient paid are what maintained them over time, 94 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: because it's just basically covering the liquid Ninstin. 95 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like you've got all in control. So 96 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: in two hundred years you put them out on the 97 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: scenk like the chops and cross. 98 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: No, I hope it's a little bit better than that, 99 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: because I'm going to be one of those people. 100 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 3: So you'll be one of those people as well. Because 101 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: it's interesting. This guy is eighty So when say, for example, 102 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: in two hundred years time it all works out, he's 103 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 3: still going to be an eighty year old gone. 104 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: No, he's going to be restored to a healthy young body. 105 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: Wow. 106 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: You know, Look, you know I always get asked this question. 107 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: We're bringing a brain back to life in two hundred years. 108 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: That's the idea to bring a brain. But people are 109 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: more amazed. There's going to be a healthy young body. 110 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: You could almost grow a healthy young body these days 111 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: through cloning, other sorts of things that are going on. 112 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: Getting the brain back's the tough part, and yet people 113 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: seem to be more amazed that we're bringing back a 114 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,239 Speaker 2: healthy young body. That's the easy part. 115 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: And Peter with you saying you're going to do this yourself. 116 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: What are you hoping in two hundred years? You want 117 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: to see what the world is. You're just fascinated to time. 118 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 2: Travel, exactly right. Everybody has a different reason. Everybody. My 119 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: reason is curiosity, fascination, just there's so many things I 120 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: still want to do also, so I'd love to see 121 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: how things turn out. I really want to travel into 122 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: the future, and I want to pick my own time 123 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: of when I pass away, when I die. That's not 124 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 2: let it be go on. 125 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't say that's. The next thing is you 126 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: have to wait till someone has died now, but that 127 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: may change. You think in the future that people can 128 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: be frozen before they're dead. 129 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: It's the only possibility of that is if euthanasia becomes 130 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: quite widespread. We're not depending on that, that's not our basis. 131 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: But if, for example, a country like Switzerland, where euthanasia 132 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 2: is easier. You can actually start right after death, but 133 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: you can pick the time of death. The hardest thing 134 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: for us now and is to pick that exact time 135 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: of death is we have to have a team of 136 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: about ten people around at that time. 137 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: Well, good lascinating Peter, but it's amazing he'll still be alive. 138 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: Well, I'll say, you might change your minds and I 139 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: may say hello to you in two hundred years. 140 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely amazing. Thank you for joining us. 141 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: Peter, take care of yourself. Thank you very much. Thank you. 142 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: If you see yourself getting frozen priorpath dot org check 143 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: it out.