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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to another episode of Outspoken. You're joined

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Speaker 1: by journalists Amy, Sophie and Kate Torber on today's show,

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Speaker 1: the Me Too Debacle? But is it all what it seems?

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Speaker 1: The batchy breakup rumors that won't go away? And does

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Speaker 1: feminism fly out the window at Christmas time? But firstly,

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Speaker 1: it is so good to be back and to have

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Speaker 1: my voice back. Are you guys happy to have me back?

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Speaker 1: I'm not happy to have your voice back, to be honest,

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Speaker 1: because you're absolutely grating on me at the minute. What

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Speaker 1: Amy and I had a very busy week so were

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Speaker 1: kind of on each other's nerves at the moments. Made

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Speaker 1: day today well last week and I have now begun

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Speaker 1: to lose my voice because last week Amy, should I

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Speaker 1: cut in and tell the story? Amy borrowed Sophie's lipstick

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Speaker 1: in now so Amy has borrowed my lipstick twice, assuring

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Speaker 1: me that she was no longer contagious. And now I

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Speaker 1: fear that I'm going to lose my voice and it

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Speaker 1: will be as painful as you claimed your throat was. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was pretty painful. I think that's big. I think

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Speaker 1: you're being a bit of a hypochondriaco. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Your voice sounds fine to me. I'm on the gravelly,

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Speaker 1: raspy stages where it's going to set in tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to absolutely hate you because of it. So

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Speaker 1: before you lose your voice completely, Sophie, I think we

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Speaker 1: should probably get onto our first topic. Journalist Tracy Spicer

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Speaker 1: has been at the forefront of the me too movement

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Speaker 1: in Australia for the past two years. Last Fortnight, the

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Speaker 1: much anticipated ABC documentary Silent No More, which investigates the

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Speaker 1: me Too movement in Australia and stars Spicer, made headlines

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Speaker 1: for all the wrong reasons. The doco came under fire

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Speaker 1: after an embargoed previews sent to media last month failed

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Speaker 1: had confidentially emailed Spicer. The former newsreader was quick to apologize,

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Speaker 1: as was the ABC and production company Southern Pictures. Spicer

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Speaker 1: entailed when news dot com dot Au revealed Spicer's lawyer

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Speaker 1: had flagged defamation concerns with at least three people who

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Speaker 1: had emailed Spicer. So why has the media suddenly turned

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Speaker 1: on Tracy Spicer And is there a hidden agenda at play.

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Speaker 1: I think it is absolutely ridiculous that Tracy is copying

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Speaker 1: the blame for it. She has gone online on Twitter

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Speaker 1: the ABC and the production company at hand. For Tracy,

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Speaker 1: she was not the producer on this series. She did

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Speaker 1: not have creative control over the editing or the story choice.

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Speaker 1: She simply took people on a journey to tell this,

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Speaker 1: to give voice to these survivors. And I don't think

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Speaker 1: So it was sent to media, but it was under

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Speaker 1: embargo for people who don't understand under in bargo means

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Speaker 1: that you cannot put this out to the public before

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Speaker 1: a particular date. The version was uploaded to the ABC's

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Speaker 1: media only portal and revealed. It did reveal three of

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Speaker 1: the women's identities, but that was because the final vision

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Speaker 1: hadn't been blurred properly yet. I suppose the issue is

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Speaker 1: that a lot of the women who did send Tracy

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Speaker 1: I think that's where the concern is that maybe details

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Speaker 1: of their identity may come out to other people in

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Speaker 1: the media and get them in trouble. But at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, it's not just Tracy's fault, and

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Speaker 1: she has come out and she is so apologetic. This

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's Southern Pictures and

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Speaker 1: the ABC's fault. They are the ones who produce this,

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Speaker 1: what irritates me. In this article, it says Tracy apparently

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Speaker 1: this was when I was having difficulties and so for

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Speaker 1: just the most amazing and kind hearted, intelligent person, and

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Speaker 1: she is so extremely thoughtful, and I know she would

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Speaker 1: Me Too movement in Australia and the remarkable stories that

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Speaker 1: are being shared in this documentary. As Amy said, Tracy

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Speaker 1: And as you say, she's done so much for this movement,

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Speaker 1: so I think it's awful to see all of her

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Speaker 1: too movement, and quite powerfully, they kept playing all of

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Speaker 1: So it is quite interesting that now suddenly Tracy, who's

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Speaker 1: and they are absolutely appalling. People are saying they're going

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Speaker 1: tearing her down. Not only trolls, the media are jumping

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Speaker 1: free speech warrior. Well, this is of course following so

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Speaker 1: which was just stressing to survivors who bravely told their

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Speaker 1: that since the women have taken down their deemed defamatory

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Speaker 1: So basically during the documentary, she's showed Tracy these obscene

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Speaker 1: it reads baby Yoda meme, just as sends to a

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Speaker 1: I haven't. I saw that somebody got the baby Yoda

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Speaker 1: again and it's Kim Kardashian has officially ruined Christmas with

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Speaker 1: her depressing festive decor I was surprised to see this

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Speaker 1: because I think the Kardashians do Christmas so well. They

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Speaker 1: obviously have their famous Christmas Eve party. The decorations are amazing,

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Speaker 1: But these decorations literally look like look like giant tampons. Well,

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Speaker 1: those Christmas decorations were actually from the infamous Christmas Eve party,

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Speaker 1: so they were part of the display last year and

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Speaker 1: that recycled. Yeah, that's what surprised me the most, the

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Speaker 1: fact that she would reuse the old decorations. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I suppose recycling is it at the moment? Do you

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Speaker 1: reckon Kanye had something to do with the decorations, because

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Speaker 1: I feel like, as you said, the Kardashians do Christmas, well,

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Speaker 1: this clearly had to be some kind of Kanye West. Oh,

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Speaker 1: these are still cool. These are just like from the future. Well,

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Speaker 1: she has gone for an all white on white effect,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if you saw the christ on

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Speaker 1: white Yeah, so I don't know if you saw them

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Speaker 1: why she had glowing white trees, which she said reminded

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Speaker 1: her of whovill Oh, so this is some inspo for

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Speaker 1: our white party, that's right. And then as well as

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Speaker 1: these glowing white trees in her house, she also had

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Speaker 1: this little kind of little spooky fairy lips garden going off,

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Speaker 1: which was also similar to The Grinch, and a classic

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Speaker 1: comment was someone compared it to the Grinch and Coela

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Speaker 1: Deville coming together to ruin Christmas with overly sheep decorations.

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Speaker 1: Our last headline is from The Guardian. It reads Spotify

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Speaker 1: wraps uses alarm by their own listening habits. I found

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Speaker 1: this so pretentious, everyone sharing their stuff as if anyone

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Speaker 1: gave a shit. Well. I was very confused to begin with,

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Speaker 1: because I'm on Apple, so I had no idea. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: how are these people doing this? I thought it was

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Speaker 1: so funny. I saw. The best mement was like, imagine

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Speaker 1: if your visa card had a rap of the year

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Speaker 1: and it's like I've spent well for me, it would

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Speaker 1: be like I've spent two thousand dollars at Zambreros, probably

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Speaker 1: more actually, so do you realize you can get Spotify

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Speaker 1: on your phone? On your Apple phone. Yeah, it's not

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Speaker 1: an Apple Oh, I thought it was an Android to there.

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Speaker 1: It's like Spotify is the music, but I use Apple Music. No,

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Speaker 1: but you can get Spotify on your app, So you

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Speaker 1: can get Spotify on a computer. Tell a funny story

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Speaker 1: about Sophia. So she does. She does a podcast now,

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Speaker 1: But before she started this podcast, she didn't realize that

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Speaker 1: if you've got an iPhone that there's the purple app

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Speaker 1: that you download your podcast too. She was downloading podcasts

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Speaker 1: from an app she downloaded. I couldn't believe when I

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Speaker 1: found this all the thing that she said she preferred it.

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Speaker 1: I was like, how why? Moving on? Well, moving on?

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Speaker 1: This is obviously an annual feature with Spotify, which I'm

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Speaker 1: pretending I knew, but they actually did your entire decade

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Speaker 1: of music consumption. Would your Spotify been around for a decade,

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Speaker 1: there must have been well, what do you reckon our

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Speaker 1: top ten? Sorry? Our top song of the decade would

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Speaker 1: be It'd have to be Taylor Swifts. I think it

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Speaker 1: would be an old school one like you Belong with

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Speaker 1: Me or Fearless or something. If it was this week

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Speaker 1: would be I Knew you were trouble by Taylor's Do

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Speaker 1: you know What's quite interesting though, because I've obviously it's

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Speaker 1: coming to them of the year. Tinder has also revealed

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Speaker 1: the hottest trends, words and emojis for this year that

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Speaker 1: go in the users bio. What do you recognetion should

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Speaker 1: be in their messages? Yeah, I'm guessing like an egg

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Speaker 1: plant and a peach or something. It was actually the

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Speaker 1: face palm emoji, and it had increased by forty one

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Speaker 1: percent this year, So maybe I'll have to start using

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Speaker 1: that one and the other one the shrugging of the shoulders.

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Speaker 1: Why would that be in their bio? Probably because they're

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Speaker 1: writing something funny and then they're just laying And it

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Speaker 1: was pretty interesting though, because okay, this made me so

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Speaker 1: happy that I'm not single. So the top ten terms

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Speaker 1: that people had, sorry, the top ten words people had

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Speaker 1: in their bio were woke, lit, mood, stan, basic, extra stan. See.

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Speaker 1: I looked this up because I knew you guys would

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Speaker 1: ask me. So Stan is an over zealous or obsessive

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Speaker 1: fan of a particular celebrity. Really, I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: The other one that I didn't know also, the other

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Speaker 1: word was shook, snack and yeat I'm probably pronouncing that wrong.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what that one is? I've never been

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Speaker 1: more happy to have a boyfriend and not be venturing

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Speaker 1: on is it? Yeats? Like? Who like? Yeah you? Ye? Yes?

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Speaker 1: It is an exclamation of excitement, approval, surprise, energy. Moving

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Speaker 1: on to our next topic, it appears at Christmas time,

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Speaker 1: feminism takes a holiday break. The Christmas period can be

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Speaker 1: exhausting for women, with many doing quite literally everything to

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Speaker 1: make it a fairy tale for the whole family, with

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Speaker 1: Instagram raising the bar even higher. How do we achieve

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Speaker 1: the perfect Christmas? Kate? Why do you think women are

517
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Speaker 1: feeling this pressure in twenty nineteen to do everything at

518
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Speaker 1: Christmas time? I think it's all about showing love for

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Speaker 1: your family, but in kind of a pretentious way. So

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Speaker 1: I think there's a really big pressure on women to

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Speaker 1: have the perfect Christmas. They want to have the perfect tree,

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Speaker 1: the perfect perfectly wrapped presents. Why do you think it's pretentious? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we all try and be

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Speaker 1: a bit pretentious on Instagram. I think you always try

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Speaker 1: and get Sophie. You would know that for sure. You

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Speaker 1: try and get the best shot. I think if you're

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Speaker 1: a mum. There's definitely competition at school to be seen

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Speaker 1: as the perfect mum. I'm just banking its fresh cookies

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Speaker 1: to everyone and that kind of thing. And I can

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Speaker 1: tell you, when we all have kids, I feel like

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Speaker 1: we're all going to be a bit competitive, like you

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Speaker 1: can do the most perfect thing. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing because I

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Speaker 1: love all the Christmas stuff. I don't think it's a

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Speaker 1: bad thing. I was just wondering because I actually liked

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Speaker 1: doing all those things, and I hope that I'm not

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Speaker 1: pretentious for wanting to do but pretentious more. It's quite

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Speaker 1: funny because I had it on the weekend. I had

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Speaker 1: some of my boyfriend's friends over and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: make a fancy looking Christmas dessert, so I really put

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Speaker 1: a lot of effort in. I made these mini lime cheesecakes,

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Speaker 1: and one of the friends arrived, who actually has her

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Speaker 1: own side business with cakes, and she bought the most

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Speaker 1: amazing looking bowl of like Christmas trees, like mini puddings

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Speaker 1: and perfect Christmas cookies, and I was like, damn it.

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Speaker 1: And then I accidentally bought unwhippable cream and I couldn't

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Speaker 1: even top my cheesecakes off properly, and they just looked

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Speaker 1: like a flop. I think the question, though, is why

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Speaker 1: are women feeling the need to do this over men,

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Speaker 1: because men don't give a shit about Christmas. I feel

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Speaker 1: like it's almost up to the not in all circum

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Speaker 1: Actually it's not in all circumstances. I was gonna say

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Speaker 1: it's almost up to the women to make sure that

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Speaker 1: Christmas is off on the right note. But our dad

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Speaker 1: was the one who installed Well, I will not have you.

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Speaker 1: I will not have you say a cross word about

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Speaker 1: our mother at Christmas anymore. We used to joke that

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Speaker 1: she was a Christmas Grinch because our dad always got

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Speaker 1: into Christmas a lot. He'd always decorate the house with

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Speaker 1: lights and want a real tree. But do you know what,

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Speaker 1: So on Sunday, Mum topped it all. She bought with

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Speaker 1: me pushing her the biggest Santa Claus you've ever seen

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Speaker 1: from the Maya section. We'll have to post a photo

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Speaker 1: of on our website. I was so excited constant Snapchat.

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Speaker 1: I was getting constant Snapchat updates and I couldn't actually

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Speaker 1: believe that she was buying it. Well, it was forty

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Speaker 1: percent off, So it started that she wanted a small one,

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Speaker 1: and then I was like, you may as well get

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Speaker 1: the big one because I really wanted it. So I

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Speaker 1: felt like and I was too scared to buy it

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Speaker 1: because I felt like Dale would go mentally if I

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Speaker 1: bought something else Christmas related, so I kind of felt

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Speaker 1: like I sort of bought it through Mum. I do

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Speaker 1: very much think that having to do everything at Christmas

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Speaker 1: is a little bit self imposed, because, as we've all said,

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Speaker 1: we love Christmas, and I enjoy doing these things. I

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Speaker 1: enjoy it takes away from, you know, your normal mundane task,

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Speaker 1: like it's actually something to plan for, and I love

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Speaker 1: choosing presents out for people. And it actually turns out

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Speaker 1: that ninety two percent of Christmas shopping is done by women.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what's funny though, because I feel like

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Speaker 1: a lot of women rebel from this stereotypical view of

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Speaker 1: I don't want to cook, I shouldn't have to do

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Speaker 1: all this, but then at Christmas time it's like, but

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Speaker 1: I want to. It's It's really a contrast, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you said that ninety two percent

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Speaker 1: of women do their Christmas do their Christmas shopping. I

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Speaker 1: have to see the percentage of men that are Christmas

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Speaker 1: shopping on Christmas Eve because I get a sick kick.

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Speaker 1: I love going on Christmas Eve to see the men.

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Speaker 1: They're always standing outside Pandora trying to get their wife

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Speaker 1: last minute gift. Well, funnily enough, out of that, ninety

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Speaker 1: two a third ad minute that they actually purchased their

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Speaker 1: own Christmas presence. And I also said, one consumer survey

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Speaker 1: found one in three women devote the equivalent of an

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Speaker 1: entire week, including the day and the night, and so

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Speaker 1: that's one hundred and sixty eight hours to Christmas Day prep.

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Speaker 1: And in comparison, one in three men do that in

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Speaker 1: less than half a day all their Christmas prep. That's

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Speaker 1: if they don't do anything. Well. It was hilarious because

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Speaker 1: I read an article saying how men just piss off

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Speaker 1: on Christmas Day and go get go, get ice and beer.

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Speaker 1: But it is that insta worthy part though. I feel

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Speaker 1: like that makes it somewhat more exciting to women. As

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Speaker 1: you say, they want to have the perfect tree, the

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Speaker 1: perfect light so that they can show their friends on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I forget to insta story on Christmas Day for people's Instagrams.

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Speaker 1: On Christmas Day. You, Kate are very good. Kate will

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Speaker 1: just absolutely smash Snapchat in particular with her instagrams, and

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Speaker 1: I love them because it's always so much it's so

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Speaker 1: nice to look at it at the end of the

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Speaker 1: day or the next day and relive those memories. Can

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Speaker 1: I just say I myself felt a lot of pressure

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Speaker 1: this year because, as we've all stated on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: we've moved out. So normally we do our tree together,

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Speaker 1: but this year we each had our own tree, which

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Speaker 1: we still need to put pictures up on the Instagram.

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Speaker 1: That reminds you know what's funny. Okay, So, out of

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Speaker 1: all three of us, did any of our boyfriends help

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Speaker 1: with the tree decoration? Rees said, look, you can do

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Speaker 1: everything yourself. And I took that on and I've decorated

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Speaker 1: it two and a half times now. And I was

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Speaker 1: so cut on Friday because our new couch arrived and

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Speaker 1: it's covering half the tree and I had only just

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Speaker 1: gotten it to how I wanted. I've been actually looking

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Speaker 1: up Pinterest photos of Christmas tree, That's how much I've

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Speaker 1: wanted it to look perfect. Dale didn't really help me.

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Speaker 1: I think he left it to me, but he put

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Speaker 1: a few baubles on the back, which have since been

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Speaker 1: removed for a new color of Bable. But it did

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Speaker 1: warm my heart because I tried to get in bubles

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Speaker 1: that he might like so to get him excited about Christmas.

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Speaker 1: So I brought him this Bable with Santa Claus on

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Speaker 1: a motorbike because he lights motorbikes, and his face actually

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Speaker 1: lit up. I was like, it's working. It's funny because

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Speaker 1: I got reesea Bable with a basketball and a sand

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Speaker 1: Toronto and he just didn't care. But I have to

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Speaker 1: mention because I someone thought it was noteworthy that Reece

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Speaker 1: has allowed me to have Christmas decorations all over the

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Speaker 1: house and put the lights up and went to a

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Speaker 1: Christmas tree farm. So I think the conversion. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: doing very well, but funnily enough, I just want to

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Speaker 1: hear your Sorry, I won't say funny enough. I want

644
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Speaker 1: to hear you guys. I want to hear your guys's

645
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: opinions on Umi Stein's point of view. So she's actually

646
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: called for women to go on strike this festive season.

647
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: She said, it's pretty simple. We quit being the Christmas elves.

648
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: Christmas still happens, but the elves gone strike are silent

649
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: and mostly invisible toil ceases. Christmas, for once, doesn't happen

650
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: on our labor can I post the question? Then who

651
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: the hell's going to do it? To be honest, though,

652
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: like sometimes I'm all like, yeah, I'm so excited to

653
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: do with these things, and then by Christmas Eve I'm wrecked.

654
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: Like last Christmas Eve, I stayed up really late wrapping

655
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: all the presents because I felt that pressure I must

656
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: put the ribbons, must do this, you know, you feel

657
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: like you got to do it. But I love it,

658
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: but at that stage I just couldn't even enjoy it.

659
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: You know, you can't enjoy that, do you know what

660
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, I think when you get older, I

661
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: think that's when you kind of know everything to do.

662
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: Like I have fun memories of Mum wrapping all the presents,

663
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: and like even Auntie Darely, you know how she makes

664
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Speaker 1: all the cards and that kind of thing. I think

665
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: that sometimes you leave it all last minute and that's

666
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: when it's help. But yeah, I think I think that's

667
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: bullshit what you miss Stearne said, Because if women didn't

668
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: do it, it just wouldn't get done. It would be

669
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: really second rate shit. Christmas to be fair. I do

670
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Speaker 1: agree with some of what she's saying, because you do

671
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: reflect on Christmas as a child, and your mum would

672
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: be you know, mum or aunties would be in the kitchen,

673
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: and the men just wouldn't even get up to help

674
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: take a plate in. I was actually reading an article

675
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: by Jamilla Risbee and she was saying that she actually

676
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: does love Christmas and doing everything even though it gets tired.

677
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: But she suggested having the you know, the cleaning Lady

678
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: Maria condo. She said, why don't we just focus on

679
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: doing the things that we like that bring us sparkle

680
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: and cheer, and then you forget the rest. That's the thing, though,

681
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: A lot of the Christmas prep can actually be boring,

682
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: like the cleaning of your house. I mean I don't

683
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: find any of that fun. Well that I mean, men

684
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: can help in that respect, But in terms of if

685
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Speaker 1: they were left to buy all the Christmas presents, god

686
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: knows what would be purchase. My boyfriend can't even wrap

687
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: a present. No, like it's something about their big hands.

688
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: They just think like they can't even put the sticky

689
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: tape on. Dale wraps his stuff in our foils. Sometimes

690
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: I remember he wrapped my last Christmas present in his shirt,

691
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: like in a button up shirt. He just tied it around. Sorry,

692
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: that's shit. Get your sister or your mum to do

693
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: it for. I mean, that's the whole point. For those

694
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Speaker 1: people that are feeling this pressure cooker of stress. It

695
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: comes down to the fact that normally we have a

696
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: lot of high expectations and then in turn that leads

697
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: to above average expectations of others around us. So were

698
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: all in the Christmas so we're expecting that everyone else

699
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 1: should be, and that we are so desperate to make

700
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: Christmas perfect that when people don't adhere to that, it

701
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: kind of gets really upsetting. Well, I think you're pretty

702
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: miserable if you don't like Christmas. Is it ever the

703
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: perfect Christmas? Though? Because I personally love the lead up

704
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: to Christmas Day, but I don't really you know, I'm

705
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: not like that excited on Christmas Day itself, Like I

706
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: do love seeing all the family, but I actually prefer

707
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, and our Christmas Eve tradition is just tearing

708
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: everybody down on carrows by candle light. I know that

709
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: sounds really mean, but our dad does it and it's

710
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: just so funny. It's our tradition when we just have

711
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: a good old laugh. So for those people that want

712
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: a perfect Christmas, it's been advised that you ask yourself,

713
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: what's my motivation for having the perfect Christmas? And what

714
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: does that say about me? And what do I really

715
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: want from the day itself? And some researchers found most people,

716
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: when they ask themselves that question, realize it's actually all

717
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: about reconnecting with loved ones, not so much about having

718
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: the perfect day, and that normally puts you back on track.

719
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: The reason why I get caught up in like the

720
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: tree looking nice and having lights is because I feel like,

721
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: because everyone works so last minute up until Christmas, you're

722
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: almost trying to capture that Christmas feeling. It's not so

723
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: much about being superficial. I think I'm always like, I

724
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: just want to feel Christmas y because it's such a

725
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: fleeting time of you. I suppose the other thing is

726
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: what about presents? Because I feel like there's so much pressure,

727
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: especially when you're buying for your family. Are there any

728
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: tips on how to remain sort of stress free with

729
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: all of that. I love buying people presents, and personally

730
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: I love to be really thoughtful with them, so I'm

731
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: always I find I'm always the first one to get

732
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: lots of my presents tipped off, like I've already got

733
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: Sophie's present. I've got Sophie's present from Mum. I don't

734
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: know if you knew that. I didn't know that, And

735
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: I've already got a really good idea for Amy. So

736
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Speaker 1: I think, firstly, if it's for loved ones that you

737
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: have to kind of actually step back, have I think

738
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: what would actually be nice and really personable. But I

739
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: think for other people, you've got to play it safe.

740
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: There might be some people on Christmas Day that you

741
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: actually don't like in your family, and there's not a

742
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: time to give them a present that takes a shot

743
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: of them, you know what. That was quite satisfying. Sometimes though,

744
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: it's just going to cause a big family argument because

745
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: I remember one example of someone taking a shot. I'm

746
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: gonna put it out there. I knew of someone that

747
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: bought someone's kids a wickless candle as well as a

748
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: ceramic whale do Actually the candle had a wick from memory,

749
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: but when he picked it up, the wick fell out

750
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: of the care do with it. It was like two

751
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: dollars shot. I also remember that these particular children loved

752
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: Pooper and everyone else's presence are wrapped in Pooper. But

753
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: those kids got old paper. That's like at school when

754
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: people would hand out cards and they'd give you everyone.

755
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: If you didn't like someone, you'd get the super religious card,

756
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: but you'd give the Santa still let people that you like.

757
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: I actually remember in y eight being some of the

758
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: only three who didn't receive a Christmas card? Or what

759
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: about those bitchy people that would give some people cards,

760
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: but then some people cards with candy cane. I mean,

761
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: bloody hell, a box of candy canes cost like two dollars.

762
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: That's so stingy. Weren't you just a big boss though

763
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: primary school, if you had a candy cane on your card,

764
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: you were like the rich kid. I remember like sucking

765
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: the candy canes until they were like that tiny point,

766
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: like you just cherish every bit of it, so good.

767
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: I haven't actually seen candy canes in the shops just

768
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: we've got some in our family room, but they're all old. Well,

769
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: I just hope that you guys attach a candy cane

770
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: to my Christmas present this year. So much about candy

771
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: canes on the tree. I did say that on Pinterest. Actually,

772
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: Dale and I were going to take awkward Christmas photos

773
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: to print for cards, but I don't know if we're

774
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: going to be that organized. I don't want one of

775
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: those cars. Oh lovely, And because we have invested so

776
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: much time in our Christmas trees, we are going to

777
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: put them up tomorrow on social media and could you

778
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: please cast your vote as to whose Christmas tree is

779
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: the nicest. Now moving on to the most cringe social

780
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: media moment of the week, and we have to award

781
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: it to Sky Wheatley. Yeah. Now she brings a lot.

782
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: She brings a lot of laughter, a lot of fun

783
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: to my Instagram feed. She is absolutely hilarious. And on

784
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: Friday she hit her Insta story to explain how her

785
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: son Forest or Foresto, had dropped her iPhone in the

786
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: toilet and she said that it was one of the

787
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: worst experiences in her whole life that she has been

788
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: through and compared it to her mother being hit by

789
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: a car. When she found out that all of her

790
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: photos had been white from the phone. That's pretty sad.

791
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: Why if someone is that invested in it, do they

792
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: not pay like I do four dollars a month to

793
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: have an iCloud backed up every time you charge your phone.

794
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: Now we're that hard. Now we are going to insert

795
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: Sky's reaction to being told at the Apple store that

796
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: her photos were gone.

797
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: A girl was like, yeah, sorry, Like we tried a

798
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: few different things, and she was like, I'm so sorry,

799
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: Like nothing's backtop onto your iCloud because I have two

800
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 2: Apple accounts and neither of.

801
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: Them the iPod was working on. I'm sure it was.

802
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: It was actually like she was telling me someone had died,

803
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 2: Like I felt like she was telling me my mom

804
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: had just been run over by a truck.

805
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: Can I just say when I first heard, I thought

806
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: she'd dropped her phone down the toilet, And you were

807
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: kind of commenting Soph as if she was an idiot,

808
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: But you have, in fact, you dropped your phone down

809
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: the toilet when you were like what seventeen well was

810
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: before they had photos on a phone. Can I preface

811
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: though that she said that her phone had been destroyed

812
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: in the toilet. Yeah, when she was doing the instance story,

813
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: she was sitting on a toilet. Well, she never learned.

814
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: The interesting thing was that while Forrest dropped her phone

815
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: down the toilet, she retrieved it and it actually worked,

816
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: but what fucked the phone over completely was the fact

817
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: that she decided to charge it, so when she plugged

818
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: it in, it fried the whole phone. It's terrible because

819
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: I thought, why wouldn't you leave it in, Rice, that's

820
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: what you meant to do to get all the water

821
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: out of the phone. I thought it was hilarious, but

822
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: at the same time, it kind of did remind me

823
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: of some situation that I'd probably be in because I'm

824
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: terrible at backing my stuff up. And while I thought

825
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: it was a bit extreme to compare losing her photos

826
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: to her mother passing away in a car accident, I did.

827
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: I could sympathize with her in the sense that she

828
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: was losing photographs of her son being you know, when

829
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: he was in the newborn stage and all of those memories,

830
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: because it would be very crushing to lose two years

831
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: worth of photos. Well, I feel like her whole life

832
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: is Instagram, like that is her job, so I can

833
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: see why she probably would be a bit more upset.

834
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: I just say, keep it up. I'm really enjoying it.

835
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: It's very very entertaining. Her Instagram. Well, thank you so

836
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: much for joining us. I think that's all we've got

837
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: time for. If you would like to join in the

838
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 1: conversation and of course vote for your favorite Christmas tree,

839
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: please head to our Instagram which is Outspoken Underscore, the

840
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: Underscored Podcast. We're also on Facebook by the same name

841
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: and join us on Thursday because we've got an absolutely

842
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: ripper of a chat with Angie Kent from The Bachelorette.

843
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to talk to Angie tomorrow. It's definitely

844
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: going to be a good one. And go and vote

845
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: for my Christmastery. We will not be putting names, so

846
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: you just got to pick on whose is actually the

847
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: best