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Speaker 1: Now, as we discussed yesterday with the Chief Minister, Leah Finocchiaro,

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Speaker 1: It blew up about five o'clock on Thursday on Gregory Terrace.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately it's not the only concern. We know that

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Speaker 1: the opposition leader Selena Ubo joins me on the line.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Selena. Let's try that again. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: I've got her on the line there. Good morning to you, Selena.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. Now, Selena, there

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Speaker 1: drinking in licensed venues and then causing trouble. Selena, do

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Speaker 1: you think it's time to introduce a BDR for licensed venues?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, we've been listening to some of the concerns

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Speaker 2: What are some of the other things that we can try?

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Speaker 2: And so yesterday I went out Katie to offer some

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Speaker 2: as the Labor opposition Katie is expanding the band drinkers registered.

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Speaker 1: So, Selena, would it be all pubs and clubs or

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Speaker 1: So your I guess what you're saying is that you

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the mount of people across the territory

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Speaker 1: And it seems as well though from the outside looking in,

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Speaker 1: But if we're in a situation where we've got kids

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Speaker 2: Our labor opposition really has some great ideas. We know

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Speaker 2: there's some community solutions. I think I spoke with you

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Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, Katie. Some of those law injustice

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Speaker 2: is something we will definitely work with the government in supporting.

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Speaker 2: But we need to have those community based solutions. And

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Speaker 2: when I say community, who include town.

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Speaker 1: Well, just a really quick one. Someone's just messaged through

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been able to provide any of that

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move along. Now we know that there

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Speaker 1: has indeed been some moves when it comes to key

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Speaker 2: Appointment, Katie, This is a very big concern for us.

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Speaker 2: We know that the CLPS hung their hat very highly

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Speaker 2: We're trying to get the figure of what that position

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Speaker 2: that last week Katie leofanokiar As the Chief Minister, signed

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Speaker 2: her double standards. The process was not an open recruitment,

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Speaker 2: we've further found out since the since Stuart Noles was

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Speaker 1: I do want to say. In a statement to the

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Speaker 1: He said, I fully cooperated with their inquiries and directions

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Speaker 1: feel as though that's an adequate response. It has been

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't really want to go in the gunner.

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Speaker 1: It's not where I like to, you know, to report.

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Speaker 1: But I know that certainly, when Manuel Brown, for example,

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Speaker 2: Okay, this show's a double standard from Leofanocchiero because she

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Speaker 2: Leo Finocchio tells everyone's consequences should be faced when someone

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Speaker 1: There, Katie, well, opposition leaders Selena who Bo, we are

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Speaker 1: gonna have to leave it there. I've got Nathan Finn,

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Speaker 1: the president of the Police Association waiting outside the studios.

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Speaker 1: Thank you as always for your time. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you soon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie, thank you