1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: On today's show, Ellie Gonzalevez shares one hundred and seventeen 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: reasons why she doesn't want kids. Sophie Kasha exposes customers 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: confidential details, a popular podcast is at the center of 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: an influencer breakup, and Tommy Fury parties in a July 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: nightclub with another woman. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: this week. I'm Sophie Torbert and we had such a 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: wholesome weekend. We made gingerbread houses, we had a bit 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: of a girl's night and this was all because our 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: partners are away for your Partner's Bucks party, Amy, and 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: it was a three hour drive. It was so Not 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: only was it a three hour drive, but I actually 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: didn't see Dale for three nights because he had to 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: go down early and reserve this camping spot. And I 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: was trying to be cool about the Bucks party. But 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: when I got a photo sent to me on Instagram 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: it was of Dale and a man care, I was like, 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: for goodness sake, why do boys have to be so stupid? Well, 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: the other element of that was his groomsman had taken 20 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: his phone away for twenty four hours, so he wasn't 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: allowed to contact you, but he begged one of his 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: friends to send you this photo for some reason. And 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: the mankini it was actually bought on Marketplace, so it 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: was a secondhand mankeini, which I think is one of 25 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: the most disturbing elements of this story. Well Dale didn't 26 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: realize that until they got home, because I said, oh 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: my god, I felt so bad for you with this mankini, 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: and he said, oh, I was going to burn it, 29 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: but then I felt bad to the guys that they'd 30 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: paid money for it, and I said, you know, one 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: of them got it off gum Tree. And it's like, 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: that is so foul. It's quite ironic because last week 33 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: we put up this skit that we did. It was 34 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: a parody to Home Alone, and there was some very 35 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: questionable acting in it. I said to you, Amy, I 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: don't want to act, and then I ended up taking 37 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: one of the lead roles in it. Well you have 38 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: had a burglar rock up to your house. Well you 39 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: were home alone. This seems very very weird, I know. 40 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, on Saturday night, you guys were here making 41 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: gingerbread and I got on the next morning to find 42 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: a bike just on the doorstep, and it was a 43 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: really weird bike, like it was spray painted black and 44 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: I had a hammer where the light on the bike 45 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: normally is quite aggressive. Were you thinking that this was 46 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: a Bucks party prank? I had no idea what it was. 47 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: I immediately rung Dale and I'm like, with someone dropping off 48 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: a bike or do you know why there's a bike 49 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: on the doorstep, And he's like, I don't know. He 50 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: goes check the side gate, like maybe someone's been there. 51 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: I checked the side gate and it's normally locked and 52 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: it was open, So I started freaking out. I checked 53 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: the ring doorbell and it said there'd been motion just 54 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: after midnight on Saturday night, so you guys had just 55 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: left anyway. I checked the security cameras. A bald guy 56 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: had rolled in on a bike with his arm out 57 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: holding another bike. He went into the front yard, dropped 58 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: off the bike and just stole a box of supplies 59 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: that Dale had for his business and just wheeled off 60 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: with them but the bike. I feel like we're getting 61 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: very Sarah's Day. Now. I'm gonna put out with you. 62 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: We're not going to be exposed amy this man in 63 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: a video. You do have the vision, but we're not 64 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: gonna put that on outspoken of some sort of crime stop. No, 65 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: you've already contacted the police. Well, yeah, because I was 66 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: concerned that he was riding around with a hammer. I 67 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: have led into this saying we had a wholesome weekend. 68 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: I should have said a busy weekend because I've also 69 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: been moving and my partner Brand and he has been 70 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: on this Bucks trip. So it's just been Mum and 71 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: I doing the majority of the moving, and it's been 72 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: so tiring. I'm gonna be so happy when I'm just 73 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: settled in. I can't say I'm looking forward to Thursday, 74 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: because that's when we're actually renting the big van, and 75 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: I've got post traumatic stress from Amy's mood. I'm hoping 76 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: that it was That's the barometer I keep saying, so 77 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: be how prepared are you compared to aims? Yeah, I've 78 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: got that in my head too, because I'm like, I 79 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: want to surprise everyone and everyone be pleasantly surprised that 80 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: there's not that much to do. I can't wait to 81 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: be the judgmental one coming in and being like, oh, 82 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: is this all you've got done? Well, if Sophie's got boxes, 83 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: it will be a start. 84 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: So it's safe to say no one should ever let 85 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: me have a kid because I just found out today 86 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: you're not meant to give newborn be what the fuck? 87 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: Ellie Gonzalevez has shared a list of one hundred and 88 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: seventeen reasons why she doesn't want to have children. The 89 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: actress and model posted the list to her one point 90 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: two million Instagram followers, and as you can imagine, it 91 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: has spark debate. So Ellie is thirty two and married 92 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: her long term partner of fifteen years earlier this year, 93 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: and she said that she is constantly asked when she's 94 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: having children, and when she does try to explain why 95 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: she's choosing to remain child free, she said the negative 96 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: reactions outweigh the positive ones. So she decided to share 97 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: the list because she has found that when she provides 98 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: a short reason, it's never good enough or understood. So 99 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: this is for her to reference to people. By the way, 100 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: check out my Instagram. There's one hundred and seventeen reasons why. 101 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: This is something that women in their thirties cop all 102 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: of the time. It's like you're not even allowed to 103 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: decide for yourself whether kids is something you want, and 104 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: I think it is something that everyone should think really 105 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: hard about it because it's such a life changing decision. 106 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: And I'm finding that a lot more women don't know 107 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: how to voice that they don't want kids, so maybe 108 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: this is going to be very helpful. The list does 109 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: range from serious to quite funny things. So some of 110 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: the serious things, Ellie speaks about losing your identity, pregnancy risks, 111 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: and also the world being overpopulated. And for the satirical points, 112 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: she talks about the fact that babies can pooh inside you, 113 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: or a fear that your child will become a serial killer. Now, 114 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: the list was criticized for including some vain or superficial points, 115 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: So those included suffering postpartum hair loss, face and body swelling, varicus, veins, 116 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: and caesarean scarring soorry, But why can't you be vain 117 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: or superficial? These are actually genuine concerns that women have, 118 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: but we're not allowed to voice. This is what I'm 119 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: sick of I'm going to have around here. I am 120 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: sick of everyone pretending that they're happy with Why should 121 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: I be happy if my hair drops out from having 122 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: a baby. Why should I be happy if I feel 123 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: like I don't look like me and I don't feel comfortable. 124 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: You know what I I think it is is that 125 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: a lot of the time people will talk to couples about, 126 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: you know, you excited to have to kids, and the 127 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: reality is that it impacts women much more than it 128 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: does men because our bodies have to go through so much. 129 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: So I do think it's valid to point out some 130 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: of those concerns that people do have, and it normalizes 131 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: it because then you feel like you're actually allowed to 132 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: air those grievances. Yeah. Well, Ellie did reiterate that a 133 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: lot of these thoughts and fears are very real and 134 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: resonate with not just hurt, but so many other women, 135 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: and all of these little things contribute to a much 136 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: bigger picture. So it might sound vain if you take 137 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: it out of context. Oh, you're worried about varicus veins, 138 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: But that's on top of all of the other one 139 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen things that she has listed. There were 140 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: a few items that stood out in particular for me, 141 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: and one of those was you could get pregnant with triplets. 142 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: And this is actually a concern for me. I'm going 143 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: to put it out there. I would love to have twins, 144 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: but the thought of finding out that you're pregnant with three, 145 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: I feel so sorry for my mum. Can you actually 146 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: imagine that? See? I felt personally a bit offended because 147 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, surely it wasn't that bad for mum 148 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: to have tricklets. Now didn't go from none to three? Yeah? Well. 149 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: One that freaked me out was your nipples can reach 150 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: the size of dinner plates. Is that true? I suppose 151 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: it depends how bigie boom. Yeah. They Also another one 152 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: was they will drain you over everything you have, time, sleep, money. 153 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: There was also one that just said kids are annoying. 154 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: I mean, she's got some valid points here. How about 155 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: this one? Body odor gets bad during pregnancy and worst postpartum. 156 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: You could smell like onions. Oh oh, this one was 157 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: also quite funny. Lots of people will fist you to 158 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: see how dilated you are. That's why I reckon I'd 159 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: book in for a cesarean. I know there's bad things 160 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: about that too, but geez, what about this one? Things 161 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 1: you love will be ruined. I was just more scared 162 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: about this one. A nipple can fall off while breastfeeding 163 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: and will need to be surgically reattached. Surely, is that 164 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: actually a thing? I hope No. I feel like that 165 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: would be quite a rare thing. The thing is Ellie 166 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: isn't the first person to share a list of why 167 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: she personally wants to remain child free. It's currently a 168 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: big trend on TikTok. I know, I have been sent 169 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: so many of these videos from my friendship group, and 170 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: the hashtag child free by Choice has over eight hundred 171 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: and sixteen million views, while the hashtag girl with the 172 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: list has over two hundred and seventy five million views. 173 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: So the trend was actually started back in February twenty 174 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: twenty two by a TikTok creator with the handle Unique Thoughts, 175 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: and she decided to come up with a list called 176 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: UNI's Pros and Cons List of having children, and she 177 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: began adding people's submissions, so the list actually featured pros 178 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: and cons. However, the cons were like twenty pages long 179 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: and apparently there were only a dozen pros. Well, I 180 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: think that's why people have attacked Ellie because her list 181 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: only focused on the cons. Yeah wait, I mean that's 182 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: her view, because she's saying this is the list that 183 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: she wants to redirect people too when they ask her. 184 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: But also she's already made the decision. She's not in 185 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: the stage where she's trying to decide. She's made the decision, 186 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: so these are the reasons why she's not having them. Look, 187 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: I totally support Ellie's decision to do it, because, as 188 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: she's reiterated, these are her own personal reasons. But I 189 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: think when you do go on TikTok and start looking 190 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: at a lot of these lists, some people do go 191 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: a little bit far. I don't like it when people 192 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: focus on demonizing children and blaming them for having literal 193 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: but I need. But I think it can just sometimes 194 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: be humor. Like I know, if I see one of 195 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: those videos and I send it on to my best friend, 196 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: we're all having a laugh because deep down you you 197 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: don't think that children are awful. But it's just because 198 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: you're in this life stage where it's nice to be 199 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: a bit selfish and it's nice to want to do 200 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: things for yourself, but you denk exactly The reality is, 201 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: though these lists are helpful because we have been conditioned 202 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: since we were younger to think you need to grow up, 203 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: get married, have children, and the reality is a lot 204 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: of women are deciding not to have children, so we 205 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: need to normalize it a bit more, and there are 206 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: some women that maybe shouldn't be mums. If you don't 207 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: want all of these things, you don't have to do. 208 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: Hear a lot of people like parents saying, oh, I 209 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: actually regret having my kids and if I had the 210 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: chance again, I wouldn't have them. Yeah. I think that 211 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: these lists are refreshing for people who don't want to 212 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: have children and who have been thinking about it, because, 213 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: as you said, Amy, it's pretty taboo to say publicly 214 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: that you don't want children. I do think it would 215 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: be helpful for the people that are on the fence 216 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: or who do want to have children that it is 217 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: a pros and CON's list, because there are of course 218 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: positives to it. And I think social media has really 219 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: changed the way pregnancy and parenting are discussed online because 220 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: I think it's only now that a lot of the 221 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: negatives are coming to light. So I think that we're 222 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: always told what those pros are, and as women were 223 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: often told that, you know, that's the one dream you 224 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: should have, is being a mother, and now a lot 225 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: of us are pushing against it and saying we want 226 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: to do other things. Well, I always say to people 227 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: who are on the fence, do you think you'll regret 228 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: it later in life? Well, I hate that whole comeback. 229 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: Ellie received this of oh won't you be lonely when 230 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: you're old? The harsh reality is that a lot of 231 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: people who have had kids, they didn't even come to 232 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: visit there in the nursing home anyway. I mean, at 233 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it is your personal decision. 234 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: And I don't like that Ellie is copying shit over 235 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: her sharing her personal decision. And I do love that 236 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: she has been brave enough to put her face to 237 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: the discussion because, as she said on Instagram, it is 238 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: very rare to see people support the child free movement. 239 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: I fight for my family and the legacy I want 240 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 2: to leave behind for my daughter. 241 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: Molly May has been spotted without her engagement ring on 242 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: after vision of her fiance Tommy Fury parting with a 243 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: woman in a Dubai nightclub has gone viral on TikTok. Now, 244 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: this is not the story I thought we'd be coming 245 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: to you with. This has rocked me. I was not 246 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: expecting this at all. So a couple of days ago, 247 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: Molly was posting very wholesome content about how she was 248 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: taking making her daughter Bamby to a Christmas market. And 249 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: now we're at a stage where fans are speculating if 250 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: Molly and Tommy are still together. So, whilst Molly was 251 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: at home with Bambi, Tommy was partying in a Dubai 252 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: nightclub called Blue Dubai, and this nightclub is promoted as 253 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: offering the real five star clubbing experience. I have noticed 254 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: that that seems to be a bit of a trend 255 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: with this relationship. I see that Molly is always at 256 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: home and Tommy seems to be at these fighting camps 257 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: and he's off overseas, And I always wondered what is 258 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: really going on because they are only twenty four. They're 259 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: pretty young to be settled down with a kid, and 260 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: it seems like Molly's lifestyle is just so different to Tommy's. Yeah, well, 261 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: she seems to be a real homebody and she doesn't 262 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: like to go out partying, and these are things that 263 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: he obviously enjoys doing. Now, to add to the weirdness 264 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: of this story, Tommy was captured dancing alongside controversial R 265 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: and B sing at Chris Brown and in this video, 266 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: which is going viral on TikTok. We see Tommy and 267 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: Chris singing and dancing to get and they're surrounded by 268 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: a group of women. It's definitely not a good look 269 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: for someone who is engaged with a baby. No. Well, 270 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: one thing that was quite funny is that fans were 271 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: quick to notice that Tommy had no rhythm, So someone commented, 272 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: this man has no rhythm, honestly concerning considering he's a boxer. Also, 273 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: in some of the videos he's seen wearing a white top, 274 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: but then in others he's dancing with his shirt off. 275 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: He also was captured lighting up a cigarette in the 276 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: club with Chris Brown, which also wasn't a good look, 277 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: particularly because he always talks about being on these training 278 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: camps and how he has to look after his health 279 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: and eat properly, and I wouldn't think smoking in a 280 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: club really aligns with us. I was more disturbed to 281 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: see that he was actually parting with Chris Brown, Like, 282 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: since when have they been friends? I think because he's 283 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: built quite a profile in the US for fighting the polls, 284 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: he's now rubbing shoulders with a lot of bigger celebrities, 285 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: so I'm not quite sure how this relationship has started 286 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: between them is in Dubai at the moment because he's 287 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: been appearing at the Grand Prix, which I assume is 288 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: some sort of paid gig. Yeah, but the point is 289 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: that Chris Brown is not really someone that a wholesome 290 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: family man wants to be seen with, particularly after he 291 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: assaulted Rihanna. Oh definitely not. But what is causing the 292 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: most uproar though, is a video of Tommy dancing alongside 293 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: an unknown woman and she goes to grab his face 294 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: and Tommy laughs and appears to sort of move away, 295 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: but he looked quite flirtatious. Yeah, you're not just going 296 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: up and grabbing anyone's face in a nightclub. Like it 297 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: was clear the two knew each other. See you guys 298 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: sent me this and I was like, what's all the 299 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: fuss about? Because it's not like they're making out and 300 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: you can see the girl is standing with another guy. Abie, 301 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: you were upset that your partner was in a MANKINI 302 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: at his butt? T Can you imagine if he was 303 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: out shirtless at a nightclub and a girl came up 304 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: and flirtatiously touched his face. I would not It's Tommy 305 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: and the wrong there, Yes, well, because the whole thing 306 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: is it seemed like he didn't necessarily want to be touched, 307 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: but the optics of the whole night are off, and 308 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: it is in total contrast to what he's portrayed in 309 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: a lot of Molly May's blocks, because he's always the 310 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: per partner that's bringing flowers or wants to spend a 311 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: night on the couch. I just wonder if there's more 312 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: to it, and if people saw them ca noodling but 313 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: didn't get it on camera, I think there'd be more 314 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: whispers about that. Fans were very quick to rush to 315 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: Molly's defense, flooding Tommy's comment section, so he had a 316 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: video up which was a bit of a vlog showing 317 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: the day in his life, and one follower wrote, imagine 318 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: waiting months being a solo parent while your other half 319 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: is away doing training camps for him to then fly 320 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: to Dubai and be partying with another girl. It's muggy 321 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: as fuck. Another said, why are you tolerating girls pushing 322 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: you in the face. The body language screams it might 323 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: be innocent or out of context, but don't put yourself 324 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: in that situation. I tend to agree with that because 325 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: I think if your partner is allowing you to pursue 326 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: your career overseas and looking after your child, I just 327 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: think it is really disrespectful to be out partying at 328 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: a nightclub. I don't care if he's famous and he's 329 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: twenty four. It would make me feel incredibly uncomfortable, which 330 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure it has made Molly feel, and all the 331 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: speculation would not be good for her because, as you mentioned, 332 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: she has been spotted without her engagement ring on. Maybe 333 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: she is trying to put a message out there that 334 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: she's not happy about it. I do agree with the 335 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: fan about you put yourself in that situation, because he 336 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: might come out and say, look, it was very innocent. 337 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: But the fact that this video has been shared on TikTok, 338 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: it's going to put a lot of pressure on Molly. 339 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: I wonder if she is actually going to respond. I 340 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: feel like it's very late as well, because the other 341 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: sort of consensus is that if a mom was to 342 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: behave like this, they would be being shamed, because ever 343 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: since Molly gave birth to Bambi, all of her behavior 344 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: has been put under the spot like you know, oh, 345 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: you're doing this wrong, This is wrong. But if we 346 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: saw a woman at a nightclub scantily dressed, perhaps having 347 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: a cigarette, drinking with her friends and then look perceivably 348 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: flirting with guys, she would be shamed straight away for 349 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: her mothering. But at the same time, yeah, the media 350 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: has touched on a bit, but most of the articles 351 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: out there sort of saying, oh, he's, you know what, 352 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: a lad out with Chris Brown, or he's doing some 353 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: dad dancing. For instance the Sun Round the headline Tommy 354 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: Fury takes dad dancing to the extremes alongside Chris Brown. Well, 355 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: I remember Molly was called selfish because she left her 356 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: daughter for one night when she went on a shoot 357 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: for PLT. When you compare it to Tommy when Bambi, 358 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: I think, was not even a week old and he 359 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: went on some six week training camp for boxing. That 360 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: with Molly's trip, didn't then Tommy surprise her with the baby. 361 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: That was another trip. She's spent on a few work trips. 362 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: Now talking about the identity of this woman, because this 363 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: is what everyone wants to know. There is some speculation 364 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: in the comment section that it could be a relative 365 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: called Harper Fury, who is apparently one of his sister 366 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: in laws. However, I've been searching for a Harper Fury 367 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: and I can't find anyone on social media with that handle, 368 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: So I don't know who this woman is. I would 369 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: find it a bit weird if your sister in law 370 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: did that, Like, I can't imagine going up and grabbing 371 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: Dale or Brandon's face. The whole thing about Molly not 372 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: wearing her ring is a bit confusing, though, because I 373 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: did some detective work and the last time we saw 374 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: her with the ring on was on the twenty seventh 375 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: of October, and when she wasn't wearing her ring, she 376 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: was in photos with Tommy. So I'm assuming that maybe 377 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: her ring is getting fixed or resized, and maybe it's 378 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: just an awkward time that it's been done. Well, the 379 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: ring's massive and having a baby, do you remember all 380 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: those people writing in and saying that the baby can 381 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: get shit on your engagement ring or get stuck in 382 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: all the She doesn't has to pack it away because 383 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: it's so big. It doesn't look like a ring you'd 384 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: wear every day. I mean, mine isn't as big as 385 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: Molly may is by no stretch. It's a beautiful ring, 386 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: but I always take mine off because I find it 387 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: really uncomfortable when I want to do the dishes or 388 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: anything around the house. It will be interesting to see 389 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: if Molly addresses these rumors at all on her Instagram 390 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: or in one of her vlogs. She is the type 391 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: of person that does tackle these things head on, so 392 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: I think we will see a united front with Tommy 393 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: and Molly. 394 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: Best friend is in love with engaged man and then 395 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: she's put dot dot dot. The story only gets worse. 396 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: A popular podcast is at the center of an influencer breakup. 397 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: Fitness influencer Lily Sabri has called off her wedding to 398 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: Alex Tirett after he was accused of cheating on her 399 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: on The Girl's Bathroom podcast. Before we get into the allegations, Amy, 400 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: can you tell us more about who Lily is? So. 401 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: Lily is a thirty three year old UK fitness influencer 402 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: and her popularity surge during Lockdown. Her YouTube subscribers grew 403 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: from thirty thousand to a staggering three million, and they 404 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: currently sit at four point six million on Instagram. She's 405 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: also got close to one million followers, so she is 406 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: a huge deal. She also has a hugely successful fitness 407 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: app called Lean and sells fitness supplements and also home 408 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: workout equipment. One thing people love about her is her dog, Teddy, 409 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: is often in her workout videos so he'll run in 410 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: and lick her face. So what do we know about 411 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: her relationship with her fiance Ali, Well, she actually met 412 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: him at a b Fit event which she was the 413 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: guest speaker for back in twenty seventeen, and this was 414 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: when she only had around fifty thousand Instagram followers. And 415 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 1: at the time, Alex was an architecture student and he 416 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: approached Lily after seeing her on stage and asked if 417 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: she was on YouTube, which she wasn't, so Alex talked 418 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: her into getting YouTube and the rest is history. So 419 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, he began working full time with Lily's 420 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: brand Lean, and they initially moved to Dubai for Alex's career, 421 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: but then returned back to the UK to work full 422 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: time on the brand. Now he has been known to 423 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: take ownership of her success so on his personal Instagram. 424 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: In his bio it reads four point six million YouTube 425 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: subscribers and co founder of Lean. Kind of reminds me 426 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: in a way of the relationship between Toby Pearce and 427 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: Kayla had seen us, except it seems like she was 428 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: already popular on her own before he came in. Well, 429 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: he claims a lot of her success because, as so said, 430 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: he's the one that pushed her to get a YouTube channel. 431 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: She was obviously popular on Instagram to begin with, but 432 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: social media was never really her thing. She is a 433 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: qualified physiotherapist and she got heavily into pilates and that's 434 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: when her Instagram started taking off, but it wasn't something 435 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: she really took seriously as a career. So he kind 436 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: of took her to that netwek well claims that he did. Now. 437 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: Five months ago, Alex proposed after six years together, and 438 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: Lily announced the news on Instagram, telling her followers that 439 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: Alex had previously pranked her six times with fake engagements, 440 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: but this time it was for real. So the announcement 441 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: was met with some backlash from followers. Many told her 442 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: Alex's choice of a ring, which was a lolly ring, 443 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: was grounds for rejecting the proposal, and many followers also 444 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: said that they'd never marry a man who pranked them 445 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: with fake proposals. Now, Lily was quick to defend her 446 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: fiance's decision, saying it was their sense of humor and 447 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: that she wanted to pick out her own ring. I 448 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: actually think that's kind of sweet. It seems like it 449 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: was a bit of a personal joke having the lolly ring. Well, 450 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, because everything I've seen recently online about 451 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: this guy, he seems like a bit of a dick 452 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: because there was a Q and A they did a 453 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: few years ago and it was sort of like who 454 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: does this? You know, who does what around the house, 455 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: And he proudly stated that when he and Lily moved 456 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: in together that he purposely did household tasks really badly, 457 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: Like he was like, oh yeah, I washed her sports Brian, 458 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: I totally ruined it, so I'd never have to do 459 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: the washing again. That's a big red flag. I don't 460 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: have an issue with him giving her a lolly ring 461 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: in place of a ring that she wants to choose, 462 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: But I'd be pretty pissed off if I was keen 463 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 1: to get engaged after six years together and my partner 464 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: kept pranking me about it. Yeah, So, Amy, how did 465 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: this all come about on this podcast? So it all 466 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: came about because a massive podcast in the UK called 467 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: Girl's Bathroom, which is run by Influencer best friends Sofia 468 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: and Chenzier. They have a segment that's basically where people 469 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: send in their own relationship dilemmas. It's a pretty common 470 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: segment on influencer podcast, isn't it. But I always assume 471 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: that they're either fake dilemmas and that the hosts have 472 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: written or from Reddit or something. Well, this podcast, as 473 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, has reportedly had twenty million downloads, 474 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: so there's a lot of listeners who were genuinely writing in, 475 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: and normally the girls keep everybody anonymous, but it seemed 476 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: that the details of this dilemma were just too obvious 477 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: for its listener base. So who's sent in? Was it 478 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: Lily or Alex? Did they out themselves? No? So a 479 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: twenty one year old Australian girl wrote in saying her friend, 480 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: who the girls gave the pseudo name of Sarah, went 481 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: on a euro summer this year and during her trip 482 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: she ended up on a yacht which happened to be 483 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: hosting a Bucks party. So Sarah told her friends back 484 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: in Australia that she got into deep conversations with the 485 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: Buck who the podcast dubbed Brian. Now. The email continued 486 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: that Sarah and Brian stayed in touch since the yacht 487 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: party and have been meeting up in random cities and 488 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: are now in love. This despite Brian still being engaged. Now, 489 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: let's have a listen to how detailed the host got 490 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: when discussing this apparent mystery man Brian. 491 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: For context, Brian is twenty eight and his fiance is 492 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: thirty three. Brian is from Dubai, a businessman. He has 493 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: multiple successful businesses with his fiancees. God, Brian and Jenny 494 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 2: will call the fiance have a dog, building houses together, 495 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: indis own businesses and of course are getting married. Oh 496 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: my god, what Jenny's got a million followers? Okay, Jenny, 497 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 2: Jenny's got a blue tick, poor Jenny? Oh god, oh god? Okay, 498 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: well okay Jenny listens and can pieces together? Yeah, Jenny, 499 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 2: Jenny does your stag? Are you getting married? 500 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: Jenny? 501 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: Did your any emillion followers outday? 502 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: Yach week? 503 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: Is it ringing any bell? 504 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: Fuck me? That is just so obvious, particularly in the UK, 505 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: when this woman has a million followers? Do you blame them? Though? 506 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: As in the podcast host, I can imagine if I 507 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: had a podcast, and this nugative information fell on my 508 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: lap and it was just so juicy you couldn't help 509 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: but talk about it. Yeah, but how do you know 510 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: it's true? Because someone could have just targeted this influencer 511 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: couple and added all those details just to get back 512 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,239 Speaker 1: at them. I just didn't like the way that they 513 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: were kind of laughing about it and they're like, Oh, 514 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: we feel really sorry for her, but how funny and 515 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: they went to such detail. Do they know Lily, because 516 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: maybe they've got beef with it? Is it personal? I 517 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: don't think so, because they're in different circles. These girls 518 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: are more beauty influences where she's in the fitness space. 519 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: Awkward because all these people seem to go to the 520 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: same events. Now, for those who haven't heard this segment, 521 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: it went on for fifteen minutes, and this email really 522 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: went into the nitty gritty. It spoke about how Brian 523 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: and Sarah had met up in Spain and how they'd 524 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: ended up in the same hotel room. Let's throw to 525 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: the grab. 526 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: In the morning when they woke up together, Sarah and 527 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: Brian were staring at each other and Sarah says, Sarah says, 528 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 2: I really want to kiss you right now. Wait, so 529 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: they haven't kissed, and Brian responds, what's stopping you? What 530 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: is details? 531 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: What? 532 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 2: Sarah kisses Brian. One things lead to another and they 533 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: spend the whole day together in bed. Oh my god, 534 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: my heart is breaking for this fyance though, guys, I'm sorry. 535 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 2: From that point onward, Sarah says it was very coupperly, 536 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: holding hands, kissaying whatever. 537 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: God, this would have been so hurtful for Lily to 538 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: listen back to, because I can imagine her inbox would 539 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: have been absolutely flooded with her followers being like, I 540 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: think they spoke about you on this podcast. So I 541 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: do feel really sorry for her. But at the same time, 542 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the listeners and what would make the 543 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: best show, because from a production perspective, having these nitty 544 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: gritty details is so interesting. I'm just want to go 545 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: listen in more detail to this podcast. Amy, You've got 546 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: her the line, Well, they were doing Lily a favor 547 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: by exposing her cheating fiance. Well, I wonder if this 548 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: person who wrote in the anonymous letter has also contacted 549 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: Lily themselves, or if this is the way she found out, 550 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: because that would make a difference. No so apparently the 551 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: girl who wrote in said she's been tempted to contact 552 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: Lily but she hasn't, and both the podcast hosts said, geez, 553 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: we really feel like reaching out to her. However they didn't. 554 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: I think the worst part for Lily though, has been 555 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: the speculation, because they obviously didn't name her, but the 556 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: details were so obvious that everyone thought it was her. 557 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: So the girl's bathroom listeners after hearing this episode, they 558 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: were into full FBI mode. They were able to track 559 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: down who this Sarah was, So that's the girl who's 560 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: been having the affair with Lily's partner. They worked out 561 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: who the friends were, they worked out where the party 562 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: cruise was, and they obviously have also been messaging Lily 563 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: non stop. Look never underestimate the ability of girls to 564 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: find out Now. Last week, Lily did break her silence 565 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: and she shared a lengthy statement to her Instagram grid 566 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: which confirmed the rumors were true. She wrote, there has 567 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: been so much speculation online about my personal life and relationship, 568 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: sparked by a podcast on the eighth of November. I 569 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: want to provide brief clarity on the situation, but I 570 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: won't be addressing it further until I'm in the right headspace. 571 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: I kindly asked for privacy in the meantime. On Thursday, 572 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: the eighth of November, I woke up to messages about 573 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: a podcast episode discussing a relationship involving a newly engaged 574 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: man meeting a woman on his stag do and subsequent encounters. 575 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking to confirm this is true, and discovering it 576 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: in this way has been devastating. Alex and I have 577 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: broken up, and I need time to process what feels 578 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: like an absolute whirlwind and what I can only describe 579 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: as my world falling apart. I'll share more when the 580 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: time is right. What a good statement from Lily. I 581 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: think it is great that she confirmed that everything is 582 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,959 Speaker 1: actually true that was read out in this I'm just 583 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: so disappointed in the podcast hosts because I think that 584 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: they probably knew this was definitely about Lily and Alex. 585 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: I know you said that their makeup influencers, and she's 586 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: a fitness influencer, but I think the influencing space is 587 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: so small that they do know each other, and I 588 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: feel like it was quite targeted towards her to humiliate her. 589 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: It does seem pretty strategic of the Girls because they 590 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: have announced recently they're going on a national podcast tour, 591 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: so all of this publicity is only a win for them. 592 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: I am interested to see how Lily follows this up 593 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: and if she is going to make any jibes at 594 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: the girls. Well, I'm just concerned about this business lean 595 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: that they've got together, because I can't imagine Alex is 596 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: going to want to leave it. This is his main 597 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: job now. He still has up on his bio that 598 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: he is the co founder, and he also still has 599 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: up the thing about having four point six millions. He's 600 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: hardly going to change that straight away in the middle 601 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,479 Speaker 1: of a shit store. Can I say the person I 602 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: have the biggest issue with in this story is Alex. 603 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: He sounds like an absolute douchebag. Indy Clinton was rushed 604 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: to hospital on Wednesday night after experiencing cramps and pain. 605 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: It's the second pregnancy scare for the twenty six year 606 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: old influencer, who is expecting her third baby in three weeks. 607 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: So back in August, Indy was diagnosed with placenta previa 608 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: after waking up one morning with blood in her bed. Now, 609 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,239 Speaker 1: this time, Indy was monitored overnight, so she shared a 610 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: photo from our hospital bed riding. How a mini holiday 611 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: last night for some monitoring with cramps. This pregnancy has 612 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: kept me on my toes now. After running tests, the 613 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: doctors discovered that Indy had a UTI, which surprised her. 614 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: She said she didn't have any symptoms and in the 615 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: end she got discharged with some antibiotics. Pretty scary stuff 616 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: because we were only talking about her baby names last week. Thing. 617 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: That's awful. I mean, it has been such a big 618 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: week for her too, because she has been sharing how 619 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: she's desperately trying to get her one year old daughter 620 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: Banby to say mama. This has been hilarious because Bambie 621 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: said dada first, and Indy is just and has got 622 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: to the point where she's been filming videos of her 623 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: screaming in this golemn voice, so mama. And the best 624 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: bit is she did capture Bambi saying it on camera. However, 625 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: it's got to the point now where she's sharing Instagram 626 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: stories where she's out and Bambi is saying it in 627 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: the scary voice. Oh, let's throw to a clip, wow 628 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: Lama mum. Well, at least she's saying it regardless of 629 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: the toe isn't that a thing that it's actually easier 630 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: to say dad, Like the sound of the d is 631 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: actually easier. Probably sure. Sophie Kesha has been criticized for 632 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: sharing customers confidential details on her Instagram story. The Pajama Mogul, 633 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: who also owns cosmetics brands at Zuru, shared a video 634 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: of customers postage labels being printed with the caption all 635 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: the Zuru Black Friday orders have been processed last chance 636 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: to take advantage of our sales before they returned to 637 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: full price. The problem is you can see the names, addresses, 638 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: and mobile numbers of the customers who have purchased products. 639 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: I feel personally embarrassed for all of those people's names 640 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: peered on her Instagram because it's not a brand that 641 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: I would want to align myself with, and I'd be 642 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: embarrassed if a friend caught me out for buying. I mean, 643 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: they were selling five dollar primers. I mean, good deal, 644 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: but I don't know if I'd want to put that 645 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: on my face. So do you think they should be 646 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: getting some kind of compensation like the Optus leaks, Yeah, definitely. 647 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: I did some research into it. Because people are accusing 648 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: Sophie of breaching the Privacy Act. So I looked on 649 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: business dot gov and business owners may be required to 650 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: protect their customers' personal details from theft, misused interference, loss, 651 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: unauthorized access, modification, and disclosure. However, there are some exemptions, 652 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 1: so businesses with an annual turnover of more than three 653 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: million dollars must comply with the Privacy Act. So it 654 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: would depend on whether Sophie's business, Zuri, does turn over 655 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: three million. I'm thinking maybe not because the Black Friday 656 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: sale was quite embarrassing. As you mentioned, it was up 657 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: to eighty percent off stock. That's a lot embarrassing. Though 658 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: that's like a good deal, but it's embarrassing because they're 659 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: obviously trying to get rid of all the stock because 660 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: no one's buying it, and also make up and cosmetics 661 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: they go off to make matters worse. If you spend 662 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: over seventy five dollars, you also got a free lipstick bundle, 663 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: so it seemed quite desperate. I wonder if these are 664 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: the lipsticks that got apparently thrown out of the nosewiping incident. 665 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: They're like, shit, what are we gonna do with them? 666 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: Just give away. I also saw Sophie kesia reshare a 667 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: reel that mummy blogger Lauren Duvois shared and it was 668 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: called the Follower Agreement, and basically it's this little skit 669 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: where a follower argues with her about, oh, we expect 670 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: this and we expect that, and they were saying, oh, 671 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna unfollow you, and Lauren was sort of acting like, oh, okay, 672 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: no skin off my nose. And Sophie commented under the 673 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: post saying, oh and also the unfollowing as if it 674 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: impacts our day in the absolute slightest. And I just 675 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: found it quite a strange thing to put out there, 676 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: because if you are building a platform and the money 677 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: that you earn is based on the number of followers 678 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 1: you have, I think it's a bit condescending to all. Missie, 679 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: I wouldn't give a fun if you don't follow us. 680 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: But that's just literally her in a nutshell, isn't it. Yeah, 681 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: it just was. I was surprised that this video was 682 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: getting such a great reception. I mean, they did have 683 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: a few good points, but at the end of the day, 684 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: you do want people following you. That's what the job is. 685 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 1: You want to influence as many people as you can. 686 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: But if someone's been nasty to you, the best thing 687 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: you can do is we like, well, piss off and 688 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: don't follow you. But you don't want people unfollowing you 689 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: in their droves because those are potential customers. Well, that's 690 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: where we're going to wrap things up. Thank you for 691 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: joining us for another episode. If you do enjoy the podcast, 692 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: we would love it if you can leave us a 693 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: five star review and don't forget to share with us 694 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: where you're listening to the podcast. I love seeing those 695 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: pop up on Instagram. This episode was recorded on the 696 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. 697 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: We pay respect to older is past and present