1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: Kate Torbah and coming up on today's show as she 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: binds questions the integrity of a female led podcast. Nikki 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Wescott takes Black Friday marketing to the next level, Indy 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: Clinton's corrective No Surgery, and Martha Califatitis launches a kid's 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: clothing line the first. Olivia Rodgers has given an insight 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: into the baby names she likes. Last week, she announced 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: she was pregnant, and she's already teasing her followers with 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: baby names. 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: I'm loving it, to be honest. 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: I was not surprised by the tone of these names 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: at all. They are very classic, traditional I want to 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: say posti. That's our word for posh posti names. So, 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: for boys, she said she likes Freddie, Rupert, Oliver and 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: Oscar love them, whilst for girls she said Minnie, Sadie, Birdie, 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: and Florence. I am surprised that the name Charlotte is 18 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: not amongst those names. Perhaps that is because she wants 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: to save that as a name. Yeah, because these are 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: names that she can't use. 21 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: But loves. 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: When I saw Sadie, I was like, oh, okay, so 23 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: she can't use that one because her friend Michelle Andrews 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: has used that name for her daughter. 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 26 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: Michelle Andrews is, of course the host of the Shameless podcast. 27 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: Another name I was surprised that wasn't on the list, 28 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: which could be another name she may used, is Alfie. 29 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: I feel like that's really popular at the moment, and 30 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: I like Alfie. So Olivia's partner, Hugo, his last name 31 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: is Breaky, So we're also going to think of what 32 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: might sound good with that last name. 33 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: I mean Rogers. 34 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: I have to say Rogers is an easier name for 35 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: these names to sound good with. Well, it could be 36 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: Rogers Breaky. I mean they're not actually married. 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: Very true. 38 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: I mean Rupert Rogers quite a good ring to it. 39 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of the double R. I think 40 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: that's sort of a bit of a tongue tie. She 41 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: think it's a bit of a cartoon character energy, Yeah, 42 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: I do. Charlotte Rogers Charlotte Breaky. I think actually, I 43 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: think if she's judging by the names here of Minnie, Sadie, Bertie, 44 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: I reckon it wouldn't be Charlotte, but it be lost Lottie, 45 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: yes or Hattie on her Hang on, that's her sister's name. 46 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: That's why I'm getting confused. Well, Laura Henshaw, who is 47 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: also one of Olivia's friends, is set to give birth 48 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. So she's thirty seven weeks pregnant. 49 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: We've just seen online that she's packing her hospital bag now. 50 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: But because she's having an elective c section, I'm guessing 51 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: that she'll give birth a thirty nine weeks so in 52 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: two weeks time. I wonder what she's going to call 53 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: her son, and whether she steals one of Olivia's names. 54 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: That's the tricky part when you have friends at all 55 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: giving birth, because people generally don't want to share the 56 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: name they've selected. I mean, I was pretty open. I 57 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: was just telling everyone it is a good way of 58 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: dibsying the name though, yeah, putting your authority over it. Yeah. 59 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: We did have a situation with one of our friends 60 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: where her and Amy were giving birth weeks apart, and 61 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: our friends like, oh, Amy, I'll just share the first 62 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: letter with you, and it ended up being an ah 63 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: like Harry, and they're like, oh, what about the second letter? 64 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: Ended up being an A and they're like, what about 65 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: the last letter? 66 00:02:58,680 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: And it was a why. 67 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: Fortunately, it turns out the babies are called Harry and Harvey, 68 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: so there was no need to cross the name off 69 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: the list. But it was a very tense moment. Got 70 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: to love all the Harvey's out there due to Harvey 71 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: spector from Sue. It's such a cute name. I love it. 72 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: They don't even have the full facts. They're gossing about 73 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 3: my businesses when I go away. 74 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: As she Binds, has questioned the integrity of an Australian 75 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: female led pop culture podcast after she discovered the show 76 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: had reported on her online behavior. The og fitness influencer 77 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: accused the podcast of making money from gossiping about other 78 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: people's lives, Kate. 79 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 2: Can you tell us more? 80 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: Well? 81 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: Funnily enough, the podcast in question is the one listeners 82 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: are tuning into right now. So ash has taken a 83 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: listen to Outspoken and isn't happy about the coverage. Now. 84 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: While she didn't name Outspoken, it's clear that that's who 85 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: she was referring to, so much so that a lovely 86 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: listener shared Ashy's comments in our. 87 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: Facebook community now. 88 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: As she made the comments, on her own podcast called 89 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: She Rises, in an episode entitled Ashy Versus the Internet 90 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: The Things people actually send Me. She then cut up 91 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: a grab from her episode to promo on social media. 92 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to some of what she said. 93 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: Okay, so recently I got sent a podcast. It's a 94 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: gossip podcast, which I fucking hate listen to these things 95 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 3: because you know, a lot of the time and I 96 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 3: have listened to a couple of light that I've been sent. 97 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 3: They don't even have the full facts. They're gosping about 98 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: my businesses when I go away so many things, and 99 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: I'm like, that's not actually the truth, Like they just 100 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: spin that from or you're missing out so many parts 101 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: of the story just to make it sound worse. Absolutely, 102 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: I really struggle to understand. Well, from a business perspective, 103 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: I get why they do it, yeah, but from like 104 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: an integrity point view, I'm like, you're literally making money 105 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 3: off gossiping off people's lives and not even having all 106 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: the truth facts, but you're spinning things to make things 107 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: sound bad and to put the woman down so people 108 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: click your content. 109 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: Now. 110 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: Instead of discussing the topic at hand, though, she focused 111 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: on the brief discussion that we had at the start 112 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: of the segment, which is where we address the backlash 113 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: that Ash had been receiving about going on a kid 114 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: free holiday. 115 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what As she said. 116 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 3: The first thing that they were talking about was how 117 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: I'm always going away and poor Steve stuck at home. 118 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: With the kids. 119 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 4: Poor Steve. 120 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 3: I was like, wow, that's so interesting. And one of 121 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 3: the hosts does have children, and I'm guessing the other 122 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: one doesn't. But I was like, Steve goes away too, 123 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: because they were saying, oh, poor Steve, like never gets 124 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 3: to go away. I'm like, he goes through all the time. 125 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 3: I just don't talk about it because I don't feel 126 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 3: safe people knowing that I'm not at home with a man. Yeah, 127 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: I feel unsafe without him in the house now. 128 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: As she went on to say that Steve had recently 129 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: been on a trip for America for ten days and 130 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: had just gotten back from a holiday to Thailand for 131 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: another ten days, and that he goes on little work 132 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: trips here and there. She went on also that he's 133 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: a very private person and he doesn't ever want to 134 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: appear on camera, sort of alluding to that's why she 135 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: hasn't also touched on these trips that he goes on. 136 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: What actually said really got me railed up because I 137 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: am all for people sharing their opinions on podcasts, and 138 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: obviously we have spoken about Ash's action, so she is 139 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: well within her rights to talk about ours, but not 140 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: one is factually incorrect because, as you touched on at 141 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: the start of the segment in question, we briefly spoke 142 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: about how her followers had criticized her and her husband 143 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: for going on a kid free holiday. Ironically, though, we 144 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: defended her decision. So basically how the segment went down 145 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: was we gave a little bit of a background into 146 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: the story, that being that Ash had defended herself on 147 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: three occasions for holidaying without her children. 148 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: We then shared our opinion. 149 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, Amy, how do you feel about 150 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: Ash leaving her kids at home? Well, they do have 151 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: a father that is looking after them in those examples 152 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: that you provided, so I see nothing wrong with her 153 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: actually going and having a holiday with her friends. I mean, 154 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: mums do need a break as well. Is actually quite 155 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: ironic because as she said, oh, I think one of 156 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: the hosts has a child, but the other one doesn't. Factually, 157 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: if we're talking about facts, you guys both have kids, 158 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: and you both brought that point of view about your 159 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: own experience with your children forward. Yeah. I mean, I 160 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: did say during the discussion that I understood the criticism 161 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: more this time around because both her and Steve were 162 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: on a holiday away from their children. But ultimately I 163 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: thought the backlash was unfair. And then the discussion turned 164 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: more personal, and we used Ash's situation as a bit 165 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: of a hook to discuss or would you go on 166 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: a holiday without your kids? And at the time Amy 167 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: said yes and I said no, But that was all 168 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: personal preference, and I wrapped up saying I was pleased 169 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: that Steve got the call up for the euro trip 170 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: after Ash documented so many holidays of hers away. I mean, 171 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: I think people are entitled to have a bit of 172 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: a debate about child free holidays or not and share 173 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: their differing opinions. I don't necessarily think there was anything 174 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: wrong with that. I also really want to talk about 175 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: Ash's comments regarding our integrity, so as a refresher, she 176 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: accused us of not having any and making money off 177 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: gossiping about people's lives without having the true facts, and 178 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: this is something I've noticed lately, there is an increase 179 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: in Outspoken getting labeled as this gossip podcast, And ironically 180 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: the label mostly comes from people who aren't happy that 181 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: they featured on an episode, and I really think it 182 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: is a way for people to invalidate what we have 183 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: said and also really denigrade what we do. I mean, ultimately, 184 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: Outspoken is not a gossip podcast. We are qualified journalists 185 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: and we provide commentary and analysis on pop culture stories, 186 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: the stories that we discussed them from things that have 187 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: happened in the news, interviews, public statements, events that influencers 188 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: have attended, and information people have willingly shared publicly about themselves. 189 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: I hate to break it to people, but gossip is 190 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: not public information that everyone already knows. 191 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 192 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: I mean, we also don't feature blind items or private stories, 193 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: which a lot of gossip Instagram accounts do do. I mean, 194 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: on a rare occasion, maybe we will reference a DM 195 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: or a tip off from a listener, but we will. 196 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: Always fact check those. 197 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean, in no basis does that actually act as 198 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: the basis of the show, though, I mean, maybe five 199 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: percent gossip sometimes. And I just find it ironic that, 200 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: as she accused us of putting women down to create 201 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: clicks when her labeling our podcast as gossip shows off 202 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: her internalized misogyny if anything. I mean, unfortunately, there is 203 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: a trend where female led pop culture podcasts are getting 204 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: labeled as gossip podcasts, whereas when men do the exact 205 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: same thing, it's called commentary and analysis. I mean, if 206 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: our podcast was hosted by three men and focused on 207 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: something like sport or politics, there is no way the 208 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: discussions would be labeled gossip. I mean, why are men 209 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: not gossiping about AFL players when they discuss trade week 210 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: or when they discuss what's going on at a club. 211 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: I just think that the word gossip is now used 212 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: in a very interchangeable way whenever women talk about celebrities 213 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: or it's a. 214 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: Light and fun show. 215 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: But essentially, the word gossip means that you're making stuff 216 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: up and you're spreading lies and rumors about people. I mean, 217 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: the irony is not lost on me that the bulk 218 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: of our conversations comes from in information that public figures 219 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: and influencers put out about themselves to the public. I 220 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: also think that as she is trying to label us 221 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: as this gossip podcast so people don't take what we're 222 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: saying about her businesses. Seriously, Oh definitely. I think it 223 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: stems from maybe a conversation we had regarding her podcast 224 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: to it, which subsequently got canceled due. 225 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: To what appeared to be a lack of interest in it. 226 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I always find it interesting when influencers are so 227 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: unwilling to name our podcast, because they often make it 228 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: very clear that that's the podcast they're referring to. Do 229 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: you think it's in a bid to not direct attention 230 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: to it. 231 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: I think one of the. 232 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: Main reasons that influencers don't name us is because they 233 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: essentially don't want to drive their hundreds of thousands of 234 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: followers to our account, So they don't want to be 235 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: helping our podcast out and promoting us, particularly if we 236 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: have said something that they don't agree with or don't 237 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: want out there, and people paid big money to get 238 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: a mention on their channel, so they're hard they're going 239 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: to be mentioning someone who they essentially dislike and don't 240 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: agree with, you know way, I find it a little 241 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: bit den grading not to even name the podcast, as 242 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: if it's so beneath them. Yeah, But it's also because 243 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: then they can say whatever they like about it, and 244 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: no one can then go on fact check if they 245 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: don't actually know what the show is that they're talking about. Oh, 246 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: I definitely think there's an element of that, But I 247 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: do think you know, we've worked on this podcast for 248 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: over six years. I think it's coming to seven years 249 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: and it is an established podcast now. I mean, I'm 250 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: very proud of how we've grown the show. We've actually 251 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: just hit seventeen million downloads. So I think when Ashy 252 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: Bines talks about our podcast, she should name it. 253 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 4: Your friend had a Cobby or there was a Coby 254 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 4: at the Pats, So. 255 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: The word kubby, like when you hear it, doesn't it 256 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 1: just instantly take you back to that place. Martha Califatitas 257 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: is set to launch her kid's clothing line this week. 258 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: The former Maths contestant made the announcement at the Darlingsheine 259 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: podcast live show. 260 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 3: Now. 261 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: The launch comes off the back of Martha exiting the 262 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: fashion brand she started with her two best friends Kate Yeah. 263 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: Earlier this year. Martha surprised her followers when she revealed 264 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: she was no longer a part of lem where So 265 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: she launched the brand in twenty twenty three with her 266 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: two best friends, Maya and Yanna. Now, the name of 267 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: the brand actually stemmed from a nickname the trio were 268 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: given years ago by their friends, so it's clear just 269 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: how close these women were. 270 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 4: Now. 271 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: After posting a lot about the brand, suddenly there was 272 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: radio silence, which led fans to ask Martha what was 273 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: going on now. In March, she addressed the rumors in 274 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: an Instagram Q and A. To begin with, Martha was 275 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: very straightforward with her response, so when she was asked 276 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: if she was still involved with lem she simply wrote no. 277 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,239 Speaker 1: She then decided to delete that Instagram story and responded 278 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: unfortunately no lasting over this boxy pink shirt. I wish 279 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: the brand all the best moving forward. I have actually 280 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: never heard of her brand before. Really maybe shows why 281 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: it's not doing too well. That's the opposite. It was 282 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: doing really well. 283 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: It was pretty popular. 284 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: Well that being said, Martha Califatitis did block us. I 285 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: think it was a couple of years ago. 286 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: It was back the day. 287 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually can't remember. Oh, I think it was 288 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: because we discussed a clip where she mimed the N word. 289 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, I think I was in twenty twenty. Yeah, yeah, well, no, 290 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: lem is actually really popular. Like they are known for 291 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: kind of creating quite vintage pieces. They are renowned for 292 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: their jaws. 293 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 2: They are actually pretty cool. 294 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot of tiktoks out about them. Okay, so 295 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: it was pretty big that she exited the brand. Now, 296 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: following the public announcement on an Instagram story, Martha and 297 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: the brand both unfollowed each other on social media. Wow. Now, 298 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: while Martha has never shared why she left the brand, 299 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: there is a lot of speculation she had a falling 300 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: out with her friends, but she has never spoken on 301 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: the matter, nor have the friends. Well. During this Q 302 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: and A, she also shared that she was interested in 303 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: starting a kid's clothing brand, and she finally confirmed the 304 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: news at the Darling Shine Live show. Now, the brand 305 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: is called Cubby House, which I think is a really 306 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: cute name, and it was in Spa by the nostalgic 307 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: feeling of hanging out in a cubby house as a kid. 308 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: You can tell how much thought and effort has been 309 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: put into this brand, which I found really refreshing. It's 310 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: not an instance where Martha's just slapping her name on something. 311 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: She described the collection as her life's work and in 312 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: a Q and A on the brand's instagram, she spoke 313 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: through all of the different decisions she had made to 314 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: ensure the clothes were comfortable and functional for kids. She 315 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: also touched on how she was really focused on reducing 316 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: the brand's environmental footprint, so for example, everything is packaged 317 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: in tissue paper rather than plastic, and she isn't doing 318 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: swing tags. 319 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: I really like that. 320 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of influencers know, though, that 321 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: they've got to do it because as soon as any 322 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: influence that launches a brand, so many eyes are on 323 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: them and there is so much judgment. It didn't feel performative, though, 324 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: it felt like she was genuinely passionate about it, and 325 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: that's why I think it's going to be very successful. 326 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: I mean, Cubbyhouse's instagram already has thirty five thousand followers. 327 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: I think they're going to sell out instantly. Well, she 328 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: said that ninety percent of the kid's close going to 329 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: be unisex, but she couldn't quite resist adding some cute 330 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: girl stuff. I assume that's after she discovered that she's 331 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: having a daughter. What's pretty funny because Martha and Michael 332 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: were sharing behind the scenes photos of developing the brand, 333 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: and they shared quite a few photos of Looch modeling 334 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: the girl's clothes, and he just looked so cute. They 335 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: are absolutely stunning clothes. All they can think about is 336 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: the collaboration that they recently did with cotton On for 337 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: their Christmas campaign. So last year, cotton On did a 338 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: campaign with Indy Clinton and their pajamas. They had kids 339 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: pajamas and also adults Christmas pajamas family sets. They sold 340 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: out immediately some of them. 341 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: They were so cute. 342 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: I remember we raced into the store to get them. 343 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: But this year, Martha and her family launched the campaign 344 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: and unfortunately the designs were awful. They literally looked like 345 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: bowling out. They're being chucked out in the Black Friday 346 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: sales At the moment, I can't actually find a good 347 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: pair of kids pajamas because I wanted to get some 348 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: for Luca. 349 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: But I was like, well, I don't even want these. 350 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: No, they didn't even look like pajamas. They potentially look 351 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: like clothes you wear out or to go bowling. I mean, 352 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: this is no shade to Cottonaon, because I actually love 353 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: a lot of Cottonon's clothes. But it was just really 354 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: disappointing because it was such a hit last year, and 355 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: I wonder if Martha had anything to do with the design, 356 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. I don't think 357 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: she did. I think Cottonon just pick her famous family 358 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: to be the faces of that campaign. And I wonder 359 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: if she wants to distance herself a bit from the campaign, 360 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: to be like, look, I didn't design these clothes. 361 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: And I wonder if it also made her a little. 362 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: Bit worried leading into this brand, thinking, oh my god, 363 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: well the clothes didn't sell out this year, how's my 364 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: brand going to go? I mean, I think there's a 365 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: difference between being a face for a campaign and actually 366 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: manufacturing the clothes for yourself. I mean, Martha has been 367 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: working on this clothing brand for the last ten months. 368 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: The original plan was to actually share every detail of 369 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: the process, but Martha falling pregnant and suffering with HG 370 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: through a spanner in the work. So the family was 371 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: actually in China on a trip to visit the brand's 372 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: manufacturer in July when she was struck down with HG symptoms, 373 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: and she shared photos of her doing all these fittings 374 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: with Luke while she was hooked up to an IV drip. 375 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: Now Michael said that Martha was then bedridden for two months, 376 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: and when she was finally able to get up and 377 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: sit on the couch, she was given the option to 378 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: push back the launch to twenty twenty six, but he 379 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: said she wasn't having any of it, so they have 380 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: planned to launch this week. I have to say, moms 381 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: are just remarkable, aren't they they are. I actually think 382 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: the HG story might actually prompt people to purchase from 383 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: this brand that may not have to support Martha well. 384 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: Martha is currently twenty three weeks pregnant, but she says 385 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 1: she feels about thirty nine weeks pregnant. I feel so 386 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: sorry for her, particularly with it starting to get hot now. 387 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: How amazing that she managed to attend the Darling Shine 388 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: Live show. She said around the eighteen week mark, she 389 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: began feeling well enough to leave the house for short 390 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: periods of time, but the nausea is relentless. I was 391 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: listening to Amber from Influencer Updates Live about the Darling 392 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: Shine podcast. I really enjoyed all of the insights, and 393 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: she was saying that both Chloe and Martha were struggling 394 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: during the majority of the show with reflux. Oh God, 395 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: and I was like, that is the worst feeling. I 396 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: hope they were popping some life savings. Oh that is horrible. 397 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: I've just given me PTSD from that time. Now, Martha 398 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: has dropped a few baby name clues. So back when 399 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: she was pregnant with Luke, she said that she was 400 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: convinced she was having a girl and she was set 401 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 1: on the name Billy, So Billy Brunelli. She said it 402 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: had a cute ring to it. 403 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 2: Do we reckon? 404 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: She doesn't like that now that steph Less Smith's taking 405 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: the name Billy. 406 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 4: Well. 407 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: She said that when she told her mum about the name, 408 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: her face was just like gave it away. She did 409 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: not like it. She said she also loves Bobby and Meadow, 410 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: but doesn't think she'll use any of those names and 411 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: doesn't have a name that she's leaning towards at the moment, 412 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: So she asked her followers for inspo. What Bobby for 413 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: a girl? Yeah, Chloe Fisher's daughter is called Bobby. 414 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I didn't know it was a girl's name. 415 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm just having a flashback. I literally 416 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: had a dream last night that Amy came in and 417 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: told us that Harry's name was Bobby, and I'm like, 418 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: hang on, but it's Harry. 419 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: What that she changed it? 420 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: Well, I don't even know, you know what, It doesn't 421 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: even make sense as she's come to me, she's stopped. 422 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: On the influencer train. He's Bobby and his Billy. I'm 423 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 2: not ready. Isn't a feeling, it's actually a decision. 424 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: Nicki Wescott and Lucy Jackson have taken Black Friday marketing 425 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: to the next level. On Wednesday, the Happy Hour hosts 426 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: asked their followers to sign up to find out the 427 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: gender of Nicky's baby. This really threw me because I 428 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: remember listening to Nicky's birth announcement podcast and She's like, no, no, 429 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to find out. 430 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: It's going to be a secret. I'll find out when 431 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: the baby's born. And I was like, hang on what. 432 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 433 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: I was really confused too. 434 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: So on Wednesday, Nicki shared a video appearing to do 435 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: a gender reveal, and in the vision, she was standing 436 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: in front of Lucy and their Jagger and Stone staff 437 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: with a confetti cannon. So the team proceeded to count 438 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: Nikki down and she let off the cannon and the 439 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: whole team erupted in celebration, but as all influencers do, 440 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: as soon as the cannon erupted, it switched to black 441 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: and white before the gender was revealed, and in the caption, 442 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: Nicki wrote tomorrow at eight am, sign up Vie link 443 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: in bio. 444 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: Now. 445 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: This video attracted a huge response, so at the time 446 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: of recording, it has over three hundred and eighteen thousand views, 447 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: four thousand likes, and over six hundred send ons. 448 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: I have to admit I saw this video when I 449 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: was on the toilet. I feel like that's where you 450 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: do a lot of miscrolling, particularly. 451 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: As a mother or as og listeners will know in 452 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: the shower, we like to scroll it in the tracks. 453 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore. I don't have the time. 454 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: I feel like I've damaged my phone from doing it, 455 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: so I do regret doing it. 456 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: Anyway. When I saw this video, I honed in on 457 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: Lucy's reaction because I thought her face would give away 458 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: the gender, and Lucy looked ecstatic, so I was thinking, 459 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: this is definitely a girl. 460 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: I don't know you had girl vibes. 461 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: Why do you think Lucy would be ecstatic if it 462 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: was a girl, Because I feel like as her best friend, 463 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: they always do dinner out with the girls and drinks 464 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: with the girls. I mean, they have a whole female 465 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: lead team at Jagger and Stone. I just get the 466 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: vibe that they think a girl would fit more into 467 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: their lifestyle. So that means Nicky's definitely having a boy. 468 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it out there. Oh well. It seemed 469 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: like Nicki's followers agreed with my sentiment because one follower 470 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: wrote it's giving girl energy, which received ninety three likes, 471 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: while another said it's got to be a girl if 472 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: it's got Lucy reacting like that now. 473 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 2: Later that night, after. 474 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: Seeing the video, for some reason, I kept thinking about it, 475 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, wasn't that a bit weird that 476 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: Nicky's husband, Ollie Frost, wasn't part of the announcement. It's 477 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: probably best for Nicky's pr that he's not sort of 478 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: front and center either, after all of those reports in 479 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: the Gold Coast Bulletin about his business dealings. Oh well, 480 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: he has been front and center of her content. But yeah, 481 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: I just thought at the time, I'm like, oh, we'd 482 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: not to have your husband involved. I should have really 483 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: known that something was up, because the next day, Nicki 484 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: revealed that the video was all part of a Black 485 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: Friday stunt, so she posted the full video, this time 486 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: in color to reveal both pink and blue confetti coming 487 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: from the cannon, and at first I was confused. I was. 488 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: I tried to zoom up to be like, wait, is 489 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: it blue? Er is a pink Twins boy? 490 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? 491 00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: But then Nicky yelled this. 492 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: Now over the top. It said seventy percent off site 493 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: wide for Jagger and Stone. Niki also wrote it's a 494 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: dot dot dot dot dot Okay, but seriously, you guys 495 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: didn't think I'd actually do a gender reveal with my 496 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: staff and not my husband, did you? Bigger sale ever 497 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: on Jagger and Stone site entry via password only. I'm 498 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: actually a big fan of this Black Friday sale announcement 499 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: because you have to do a lot to cut through 500 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: all of the promotion that's out there at the moment. 501 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: The fact that they managed to create so much hype 502 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: is impressive, and also the fact that it's seventy percent off. 503 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's huge. 504 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: We have seen a lot of brands copying each other 505 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: this year by doing these comedic fake apology statements. I 506 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: got sucked in the first time, and then when I 507 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: see them, I'm like, scroll, couldn't care less. Yeah see, 508 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: I actually love that the girls have done something a 509 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: bit different because it has really cut through. The videos 510 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: have attracted huge send and huge engagement. I was really 511 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: curious to see the reaction in the comment section because 512 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: the girls are known for playing tricks on the punters, 513 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: so one April Fool's Day, they tricked their listeners that 514 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: they were shutting down the podcast. So one follower wrote, 515 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: just when I think I can't be caught out by 516 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: you girls again, dot dot dot you get me again, 517 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: whilst another said well played, ladies. Others also praise the 518 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: marketing genius, while others like me so that they were 519 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: still squinting trying to figure out what color the confetti was. 520 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: When I realized this was a prank, my initial reaction 521 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: was got to hope they don't get slammed, because obviously 522 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: on the Internet these days, people operate with a lot 523 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: of sensitivity around fertility, particularly around pregnancy announcements, like there 524 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: is nothing worse you can do than put up a 525 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: fake pregnancy reveal. I know a lot of influencers got 526 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: slammed around April Fool's Day doing that, But then I 527 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: was like, oh no, hang on, it's going to be fine. 528 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: It's a gender reveal. 529 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: It's completely different. 530 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be a completely different story if Lucy 531 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: Jackson pretended that she was dropping a pregnancy announcement. I 532 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: also feel like, ever so slightly, the Internet is shifting 533 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: with counsel culture. Potentially, if this was shared in twenty twenty, 534 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: I feel like someone could have come up with a 535 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: reason as to why it'd offended them. But I'm actually 536 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: glad that it was received positively because it was all 537 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: in fun. Yeah, I think everyone has a bit more 538 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: of a sense of humor these days. 539 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 4: People are just so nosy fun. 540 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: Seven months after unveiling her new nose, Indy Clinton has 541 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: revealed she's having a corrective rhinoplasty. The popular TikToker was 542 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: trolled for months following the procedure, with followers declaring that 543 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: she had ruined her face. Now, so if Indy made 544 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: the admission during an influencer event. 545 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: That's right. 546 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: So Indy broke the news whilst attending Fast Fashioned Branch 547 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: show pose fifteenth birthday bash, and that is the birthday 548 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: bash where Tammy stole the show, walking out with quote 549 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: an old. 550 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: Man, that's what TikTok was calling him. 551 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: Potentially he may be the CEO of the talent management 552 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: company that she is managed by. I was very sad 553 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: to miss out on the episode. I did have a 554 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: few thoughts about that. It's also the event where Tammy 555 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: posted about a mustly man basically cuddling her in bed, 556 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: which attracted a lot of attention as well. Yeah, we're 557 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: not sure if said old man was the same musty 558 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: man or I don't think it was his arm look 559 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: too young now. The brand ended up filming a you 560 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: Look Happier trend video. We are seeing this happen at 561 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: a lot of fast fashioned brand events where they try 562 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: and jump on all of the trends. And that is 563 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: where Indy revealed the news. Let's take a listen to 564 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: what she said, thank you. 565 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 4: I'm getting a new nose action. 566 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: For a few weeks, I think a lot of people 567 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: saw this coming. We have followed this story extensively since 568 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: back in April when she revealed her nose and was 569 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: inundated with some disgusting commentary about it. It did bring 570 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: out a very ugly side of social media, and when 571 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: she did reveal her nose, she prefaced that it was 572 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: very swollen because she was only two weeks post op 573 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: and that it would take several months to heal. But 574 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: this really didn't stop the barrage of justudg and hate, 575 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: with some followers saying that the nose job had ruined 576 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: her face, which is just disgusting. One user wrote, it's 577 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: one of the worst jobs I've ever seen. Half her 578 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: nostrils are cut off, whilst another said she's ruined herself. 579 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: She was naturally beautiful, she didn't need surgery. Now those 580 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: comments are absolutely apparent. I feel awkward reading them out, 581 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: but I wanted to demonstrate just how disgusting the commentary 582 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: was around this nose job. I mean, the online bullying 583 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: became so intense that Indy was forced to shield her 584 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: nose behind a face mask while she appeared online. It's 585 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: quite ironic because when Indy announced her nose job initially, 586 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: she admitted that she actually considered hiding it from her 587 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: followers because she didn't want the judgment, and she also 588 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: didn't want to look like she was promoting cosmetic surgery 589 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: because it came off the back of her also getting 590 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: breast in plants a couple of months before. Yeah, and 591 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: it got to the point where all of this commentary 592 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: really negatively affected Indie Clinton's mental health. She wasn't showing 593 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: up online. She was really struggling, and at the end 594 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: of July she addressed the huge reaction to her nose job, 595 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: so in a candid TikTok video, she admitted that she 596 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: wasn't happy with the results of the surgery and didn't 597 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: ask for the nose that she currently has. She said, 598 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: do you think I asked for this genuinely? Let me 599 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: make it clear for you guys. I asked for minor tweaks. 600 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: I am Italian, I have a Mediterranean nose. 601 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: I love that. 602 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: That was what we agreed on. Does it look like 603 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: I've had minor tweaks? There's your answer, ladies and gentlemen. 604 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 605 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: Because Indy initially went in for the nose job to 606 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: fix a minor surfing injury that she had received. It 607 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: wasn't because she'd grown up hating her nose or anything 608 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: like that. She also spoke more about the nose job 609 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: on the Stellar podcast. Let's have a listen to some 610 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: of what she said. 611 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 4: I just wanted that shaved down, like something here lifted, 612 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 4: like to make my nostrils less exposed. But did that work? 613 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 4: Absolutely not. And I woke up and I had the 614 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 4: cast on my face for twelve days like you do. 615 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 4: And then I went to the office and the nurse 616 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 4: moved it and I looked at myself. I was like, 617 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 4: oh my god, with the f and I was under 618 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 4: the impression that it would change. I was told it 619 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 4: would change. It always looks like this, right, But from 620 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 4: the get go it looked like a pig. But a 621 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 4: pig is a nice term. Honestly, it looked like a 622 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 4: I don't even know what it looks like. But it 623 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 4: didn't look like my nose. It didn't look like minor tweaks. 624 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: It's really interesting to hear there that Indy was told 625 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: by the surgeon that don't worry, it'll look different. They 626 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: didn't actually say, hey, we fucked up and something's gone 627 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 1: wrong here. 628 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 2: Will you hear that a lot? 629 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: I remember when Sky Wheatley got her fox eye surgery 630 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: done in Turkey last year, and the reaction online was 631 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: just as bad as it was towards Indy Clinton's nose. 632 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: People were very unkind but Sky was correct. The effect 633 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: really softened and it wasn't as harsh as what she 634 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: had to begin with. Well, that's the thing with those jobs, 635 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: they do typically take a full year to heal and 636 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: for the final results to be seen. But as Indy 637 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: touched on, it was quiet clear that something really didn't 638 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: go to plan. 639 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: So that's why I think that she is getting this revision. 640 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: Surgery done quite soon after the initial surgery, because usually 641 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: people would say, wait a little bit longer. Yeah, it's 642 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: been eight months, so but I think it's quite clear 643 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: in this case something hasn't gone quite right. And I 644 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: take my hat off to Indy that she hasn't actually 645 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: exposed the surgeon who did carry out this surgery. It 646 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 1: would be tough not to, particularly when she has received 647 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: so much trolling and it has taken such a toll 648 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: on her mental health. I wonder if it's the same 649 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: surgeon doing the revision. I mean, I assume that she's 650 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: gone elsewhere. This is the thing, though, I don't want 651 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: anyone to feel validated that, you know, oh well, it 652 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: was fine for me to say these comments because she's 653 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: not happy with the nose job herself. I actually think 654 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: it makes some of these negative comments even worse to 655 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: consider what Indy was going through. I mean, it's absolutely 656 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: horrendous that this surgery has gone down in the way 657 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: it has. 658 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 2: And that she's so dissatisfied with it. 659 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: I just really hope Indy is happy with the revision 660 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: once it's done and she can just move forward from this. 661 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: How much of it she will be documenting, because she 662 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: actually didn't document the procedure initially. If I was her, 663 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: I probably would because it might make people appreciate what 664 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: she's gone through and be a bit more empathetic. Do 665 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: we reckon that she's doing it around Christmas time, so 666 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: people give her the grace that she's going away on 667 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: a bit of a holiday. She might not return until 668 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: she's fully happy. Yeah, probably. I mean she did that 669 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: when she got her breast implant, she announced that she 670 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: was taking two weeks off, So yeah, that could all 671 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: line up. Well, that is where we're going to leave 672 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: things today. If you do enjoy the podcast, we would 673 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: really love it if you could leave us a review 674 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: and if you want to hear more from us. We 675 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: drop a subscriber only episode every Thursday. All the details 676 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: to sign up to our subscription channel are in the 677 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: show notes. This episode was recorded on the traditional land 678 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: of the Ghana, people of the Adelaide planes. We pay 679 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: respect to Elder's past and present