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Speaker 1: Merry people. They've been having conversations and telling stories on
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Speaker 1: to become the highest version of ourselves through curious conversations,
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson. Join me as we explore parenthood, business, manifestation,
Speaker 1: and so much more. It's positive, it's practical, and it's
Speaker 1: about putting you in the driver's seat of your own life.
Speaker 2: Are you ready? Hello, guys, we are back in the
Speaker 2: studio and I am joined by Cooper Stevenson, my brother,
Speaker 2: co founder of Naked Hello. So you guys loved the
Speaker 2: previous episode with Cooper. So's he's back in. He's been promoted.
Speaker 3: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: I don't think we're a lot to swear on this podcast.
Speaker 2: Actually we do. We absolutely do, but you know some
Speaker 2: moms have kids anyway, apologies about that. I want to
Speaker 2: go straight in your magnetic Blueprint was the course that
Speaker 2: we hosted at the start of the year, and it
Speaker 2: is a course about setting goals, but it's also you know,
Speaker 2: it's a fourteen day course, so it's like a mini course,
Speaker 2: and for the first seven days we're really asking you
Speaker 2: questions that help you uncover maybe some masks you've been
Speaker 2: wearing and some things that you have been doing that
Speaker 2: you don't actually want to do, and the person like
Speaker 2: you don't actually want to be, but it's from you thinking,
Speaker 2: maybe from childhood or like how you're brought up or school,
Speaker 2: that you have to be that person in order to
Speaker 2: get something. We're really smart, and it's this coping mechanism
Speaker 2: where it's like, well, if i'm this person, I'll get
Speaker 2: this outcome. We tend to do it as children, you know,
Speaker 2: to get our parents to act a certain way or
Speaker 2: be a certain way, or that's just what we think
Speaker 2: we have to do to survive or whatnot. And then
Speaker 2: we carry these masks as we get older, but they
Speaker 2: tend to get heavy, and we tend to get burnt out,
Speaker 2: and we tend to not like our lives because we're
Speaker 2: almost like living it for other people, or like living
Speaker 2: it from wounds so look pretty deep first seven days
Speaker 2: of the course, and then the last seven days you're
Speaker 2: making goals. So it's super fun. That course is actually
Speaker 2: still available if you guys want to do it. I
Speaker 2: think we might even put like a discaln code. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll we'll do a dissy for you if you want
Speaker 2: to do it. Just because I know it's probably a
Speaker 2: couple months into the air, but Cooper, I wanted to
Speaker 2: ask you and get this conversation rolling of some mass
Speaker 2: that you worn when you were younger or even now,
Speaker 2: and like the coping mechanisms, just so people can understand
Speaker 2: and get some examples and start getting their brain thinking
Speaker 2: of like, oh, where am I actually doing life from
Speaker 2: this very unconscious wounded state.
Speaker 3: Maybe you go.
Speaker 2: The biggest one for me was very interesting. We grew
Speaker 2: up in a family four children. I felt like I
Speaker 2: didn't have much attention from mom and dad because they
Speaker 2: worked so hard. You know, Mum had four children, She
Speaker 2: didn't have a cleaner, she didn't have help, so she
Speaker 2: was like always busy doing shit. Dad was obviously working
Speaker 2: all the time. It was fun to play with my brothers,
Speaker 2: but they're my brothers, Like I don't actually really care
Speaker 2: for their attention, and so I developed this coping mechanism.
Speaker 2: I felt very average, don't get me wrong, Like my parents,
Speaker 2: I feel like they loved me so much, and like
Speaker 2: I didn't feel unloved. And also when I was younger,
Speaker 2: I tried a whole bunch of like sports, gymnastic, dancing,
Speaker 2: and I didn't feel good at anything, Like I didn't
Speaker 2: excel at anything. I wasn't that smart in school, I
Speaker 2: felt like I didn't get a lot of praise for things.
Speaker 2: And then when I got older, because I know, shut up,
Speaker 2: I'm still upset about it.
Speaker 3: It still because we know what gets dad's attention anyway.
Speaker 3: But what well this let me tell you why.
Speaker 2: So it literally didn't happen until I was older in
Speaker 2: high school, and I decided I wanted to be a
Speaker 2: lawyer because I watched Legally Blond and all. So our
Speaker 2: oldest brother's girlfriend at the time was from like a
Speaker 2: low socio economic family, and she said she was doing law,
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, fuck, are you no? But I
Speaker 2: remember thinking, oh my god, like if she can do law,
Speaker 2: surely I can do it. That's really toxic. Surely I
Speaker 2: can do law. And so we were brought up, we
Speaker 2: were so I then started doing really well at school.
Speaker 2: Told mom and dad I wanted to be a lawyer,
Speaker 2: and I got so much attention, Like I remember Die
Speaker 2: being drunk telling random people, my daughter's going to be
Speaker 2: a lawyer. She's so smart. And I was like, this
Speaker 2: is amazing. This is the attention that I always wanted
Speaker 2: as a child, you know, getting when I'm older. So I,
Speaker 2: you know, I do my law degree work really hard.
Speaker 2: Honestly it was very draining, but I was like, I
Speaker 2: got to finish this degree. Meanwhile, I'm doing my social media.
Speaker 2: I'm earning money from my social media. And our parents
Speaker 2: are very financially focused because they came from like a
Speaker 2: low socio economic background, so like money means survival. Money
Speaker 2: is important to them.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I started to get also a lot of praise from
Speaker 2: mom and dad for earning money while I was like
Speaker 2: at UNI and also super toxic too. I started getting
Speaker 2: so much praise when I got really skinny from mom
Speaker 2: and dad that it does make sense. Basically, my mask
Speaker 2: was overachieving.
Speaker 3: Great, I don't have one. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I know when you're like I've got nothing, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at you, like, what are you talking about? You're like
Speaker 2: the most wounded person growing up, So let me finish
Speaker 2: one and then you can do yours. So I developed overachieving,
Speaker 2: and so that's why I was doing law. Started making
Speaker 2: money off social media, but like good money, like no
Speaker 2: one else was making that sort of money. I got
Speaker 2: like as skinny as possible, Like it was like everything
Speaker 2: I did to the extreme because of the praise that
Speaker 2: I got from people around me. And so I basically
Speaker 2: then made every decision based off getting that praise and
Speaker 2: approval from people. And I continued to make those decisions literally,
Speaker 2: probably not until what like a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: I continued the high overachieving. I continued every time we'd
Speaker 2: see Dad, he'd be like, how much money do you
Speaker 2: end this week? He still kind of does it now.
Speaker 2: But I actually remember when I was going through this
Speaker 2: and realizing such a huge mass for me was this
Speaker 2: overachieving and how burnt out and how like I was like,
Speaker 2: I just don't want to be this person anymore. I
Speaker 2: don't want to live for everyone else. And that's why
Speaker 2: I had such a journey with like you know, with
Speaker 2: my weight becoming just like my weight now and all
Speaker 2: these things. It's almost like I was pushing against people,
Speaker 2: being like, no, fuck you, I'm going to be who
Speaker 2: I want to be and I'm not going to fit
Speaker 2: inside your box. That was a huge thing for me.
Speaker 2: Like I remember I even wanted to like dye my
Speaker 2: head brown because I knew Dad loved blonde, you know,
Speaker 2: like weird shit like that, Like I feel weird saying
Speaker 2: that by that makes sense. It makes sense. And so
Speaker 2: you go through this thing where it's like I don't
Speaker 2: want to be what everyone thinks I need to be.
Speaker 2: Even what we're talking about in our previous episode of
Speaker 2: like this year not having as many stresses, definitely recommend
Speaker 2: you guys listening to that. It was a good ee.
Speaker 2: We just like we talked a lot of shit, but
Speaker 2: there were some great points in it.
Speaker 1: Which.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 2: Well look real that was Georgia last year and I'm
Speaker 2: still just paying for the consequences this year. Anyway, at
Speaker 2: the moment, it's like what am I actually? You know,
Speaker 2: what do I want? Even you know, with my followers
Speaker 2: on Instagram or whatnot, Like it was very much how
Speaker 2: can I be the most relatable person so everyone likes
Speaker 2: me on Instagram? How can I fit the size so
Speaker 2: everyone likes me on Instagram. I was just trying to
Speaker 2: fit myself in a box so much, but I got
Speaker 2: so tired, so exhausted. I developed physical things, like I
Speaker 2: had a thio disease, which I've now actually completely reversed.
Speaker 2: And even if you think about it, it's an autoimmune
Speaker 2: disease where your body is attacking itself. Like I got
Speaker 2: to the point where I was doing so many things
Speaker 2: for other people's approval, it's like my body started attacking itself.
Speaker 2: Like that's not normal for your body to do that,
Speaker 2: and so I had to really do some deep work
Speaker 2: to figure this all out and I did that.
Speaker 3: Let's look at that what you've just said. Then there's
Speaker 3: always good to bad. So having the things, having these masks,
Speaker 3: all the good that has come out of it for
Speaker 3: you so much good, amazing, Like look at my life now,
Speaker 3: so grateful. You get to a point where you need
Speaker 3: to transition and be like, no, I don't want to
Speaker 3: wear this mask anymore. And it's that transition time that
Speaker 3: you're going to get a dip because you're going into
Speaker 3: a new reality of being the person you want to be.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna have to go through some rough or
Speaker 3: when you get out of it to drop the mask.
Speaker 3: You're going to be in another journey and there's going
Speaker 3: to be good from that because you've just gone into
Speaker 3: a bit of a dip and now you get to
Speaker 3: live your life and not have all these diseases and.
Speaker 2: You're not going to be full of diseases, thank god.
Speaker 2: But even I love that you brought that up. Even
Speaker 2: thinking about that when I was, you know, going through
Speaker 2: being too skinny and my body was not coping, I
Speaker 2: remember thinking, oh my god, I'm going to lose my
Speaker 2: followers now, blah blah blah. But even if we think
Speaker 2: about that, when I start talking about intuitive eating, when I,
Speaker 2: you know, just was like working out and eating for
Speaker 2: like what I loved, I actually gained this whole new
Speaker 2: audience who was like, yes, thank you please, I don't
Speaker 2: want these like people on my feed who were so
Speaker 2: like unattainable. So it actually became like relatable and like
Speaker 2: a friend to someone else, different people. And I think
Speaker 2: that's with the mass situation, as you will be scared
Speaker 2: to take it off because it has benefited you for
Speaker 2: such a long time. I still work through today with
Speaker 2: the overachieving because I have so much of my identity
Speaker 2: in you know, I'm the big influencer who like has
Speaker 2: the businesses and he's a girl boss and like all
Speaker 2: those sorts of things. But I'm even noticing this year
Speaker 2: I want to transition even more to like being in
Speaker 2: my feminine and like doing things differently in business and
Speaker 2: not working how I used to work, and obviously focusing
Speaker 2: on family. And it's scares me because I did things
Speaker 2: so certainly for such a long time and got such
Speaker 2: a good result. But it's so important for us to
Speaker 2: like prove to ourselves that I can take off this
Speaker 2: mask and I can do something different and still have
Speaker 2: an incredible outcome. See even the other day it actually
Speaker 2: triggered me a little bit when you were like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I feel like you said something about like
Speaker 2: me maybe not working as much.
Speaker 3: Why would I say that.
Speaker 2: To you because you your fucking father's son.
Speaker 3: No doulls what Because I don't like that about myself?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everything, I'm not.
Speaker 3: Doing it in myself. So I've just figured this out today.
Speaker 3: Actually I was thinking, and I was like, I've figured
Speaker 3: said it a few things in my head, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: George is just not really into it.
Speaker 2: George is doing nothing.
Speaker 3: Then I'm like, look at your Instagram and look at
Speaker 3: what you're doing, and I'm like.
Speaker 2: What the fuck am I talking about?
Speaker 3: Literally everything, So always a reflection of yourself that you
Speaker 3: don't like about yourself. So and then I was like,
Speaker 3: that's why I'm changing, that's why I'm doing this, and
Speaker 3: that's why I'm going in the business more. You should
Speaker 3: never aly on other people to change yourself. You should
Speaker 3: always do it. It's always in yourself.
Speaker 2: Well, that triggered me because that was the old wound
Speaker 2: of how Georgia. Remember how I was like a workaholic
Speaker 2: when I was working twenty four to seven, and so
Speaker 2: that's like it got me a certain outcome. So when
Speaker 2: you said that to me, I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: like maybe I need to go back to the old
Speaker 2: self and blah blah blah. But this year, I think
Speaker 2: you missed this part. But I'm trying to step more
Speaker 2: on my feminine and do things in a very different way.
Speaker 2: So I acknowledged that comment and did think it's more
Speaker 2: about him than me. He's going through something. I'll let
Speaker 2: him process it and then we'll talk about it on Monday.
Speaker 2: Because I am doing things a different way. There's guilt
Speaker 2: because in a transition from Mars, it feels uncomfortable, it
Speaker 2: doesn't feel right. And so I had the initial thing
Speaker 2: of like, oh is he right blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: And I was like no, yeah, so you got that
Speaker 3: awareness and then you assessed it of no, that's not
Speaker 3: what I want to do. Yes, this is what I
Speaker 3: want to be. You're welcome process.
Speaker 2: Thank you for triggering me. And well, that's what I
Speaker 2: mean is like I had to be like, well, no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to work harder to get a result.
Speaker 2: That's not how I want to do things anymore. So
Speaker 2: I can leave that there and yeah, realize that that's
Speaker 2: not what I have to do. But that was a
Speaker 2: great point for me.
Speaker 3: All right. So my mask when I was younger was
Speaker 3: the exact same thing I wanted to overachieve with sport.
Speaker 3: So I remember I was in grade one and I
Speaker 3: did the cross country and I come first, and I
Speaker 3: remember my mom just going, oh my goodness, like could
Speaker 3: you just come first, Like we've got a son that's
Speaker 3: really good at sport. And then told Dad and he
Speaker 3: was stoked and he praised me and said that was
Speaker 3: so good, Cooper. So I got love in overchieving in sports.
Speaker 3: So from then on, I always strived to be really
Speaker 3: good at sport, like I had the ability. But that
Speaker 3: was my mask to try and get love from Dad,
Speaker 3: and it was one. And I always did sprinting and
Speaker 3: I did soccer, and I just always tried to get
Speaker 3: Dad's love for that. You were very athletic, So that
Speaker 3: was my mask. But I got into high school and
Speaker 3: then I was like, I actually don't like this. It
Speaker 3: was too much pressure. I didn't really like it, so
Speaker 3: I stopped. And then that's when I just kind of
Speaker 3: didn't get much from Dad anymore. And then I went
Speaker 3: and did plumbing. I just that was just the easy option.
Speaker 3: I didn't so I didn't really get much from Dad.
Speaker 3: So that's when I started partying, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I just want to close my eyes. I want to escape,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I started doing drugs and I started which
Speaker 3: everyone but anyway.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll go there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I just I needed to escape and I
Speaker 3: just didn't get those things. And I didn't get love
Speaker 3: from yeah Dad, And that was my biggest thing. Like
Speaker 3: he obviously loved me, of course didn't. He's like the
Speaker 3: best dad ever.
Speaker 2: He's the best ad, did you feel like mom loved you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got loved from Mum. So I'm very grateful
Speaker 3: that I had one parent that gave that gave me love.
Speaker 3: But fast forward all three is so like I still
Speaker 3: didn't get love from Dad with naked harvests, and I
Speaker 3: was like, try my hardest and to be successful and
Speaker 3: being successful, still didn't get it. I had a massive
Speaker 3: blue with Dad and he said, well, the only reason
Speaker 3: you're successful is Georgia.
Speaker 2: And that breaks my heart so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a massive fight with him. I nearly
Speaker 3: told him to get out of my house because he
Speaker 3: was staying there anyway.
Speaker 2: It was a big.
Speaker 3: Thing, and I was like, few, like, that's it. I've
Speaker 3: just tried a couple of years, a few years, put
Speaker 3: my life into this, got a big business and I
Speaker 3: was going really good. Still it in your love. And
Speaker 3: then I did my inner work stuff and I was
Speaker 3: able to let go of all these masks and I
Speaker 3: was I didn't need I didn't need Dad's love anymore.
Speaker 2: And it's like also the approval.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't need approval, didn't need love. I didn't
Speaker 3: need anything from Dad. All I just said to him.
Speaker 3: I was like, I want love and support, but if
Speaker 3: you can't do it, it's okay because I love and
Speaker 3: support myself. And so from that point, that's when I
Speaker 3: started seeing a different relationship with Dad, and that's when
Speaker 3: he started giving me love. That was the big turning
Speaker 3: point in our relationship.
Speaker 2: You stop changing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I took the masks off and I become
Speaker 3: my person and who I wanted to be, and like
Speaker 3: Dad would never come to me for advice ever about anything,
Speaker 3: and now they come to me, which is so weird.
Speaker 3: And they asked we keep like with financial problems, with
Speaker 3: mental problems, Like they come to me for advice and
Speaker 3: they respect me so much. And it's all because I
Speaker 3: respected myself. I loved myself. I had got a good
Speaker 3: relationship with myself. So in a work, took all my
Speaker 3: masks off. I love that. So that's when it fully
Speaker 3: changed for me. Now I'm Riborn, Now I am Ribel.
Speaker 3: It took a long while, but a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't get there, and that's the sad part two order. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I'm very grateful that I've gotten to this point.
Speaker 2: It was actually such a benefit to you, Dad going no,
Speaker 2: I don't think you're successful, no, blah, blah blah, because
Speaker 2: that was like your rock bottom moment of like, well,
Speaker 2: fuck you, I'm gonna go and just do it for myself.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop caring about you. And that's when everything shifted.
Speaker 2: And obviously you benefited so much from that mask because
Speaker 2: look at naked harvest, look at your life. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: we always benefit. And it's like, it's really good if
Speaker 2: you can see the benefit from the mask, because that
Speaker 2: will help you understand why you've been wearing it for
Speaker 2: so long. You can put it down, yeah, because other
Speaker 2: as we see the mask and be like, oh, why
Speaker 2: have I been doing this? You know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: But it's like, see all the benefits really yeah, it
Speaker 2: makes actually a lot of sense. And we're really smart,
Speaker 2: Like we're so intelligent. Our subconscious will do what's best
Speaker 2: for us in every scenario. And it's like, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: that was best for us. I even love how your
Speaker 2: moment is like if I want the respect and love,
Speaker 2: I need to give it to myself. And I feel
Speaker 2: like not a lot of people even get to that realization.
Speaker 2: That's huge.
Speaker 3: But like having these masks, they all they can be
Speaker 3: your survival as well.
Speaker 2: Those masks most of the time. We started wearing them
Speaker 2: for survival. If you think about a child, the parents
Speaker 2: have to love them for them to survive. And so
Speaker 2: it feels like unless you're in a position in your environment. Sorry,
Speaker 2: now you've kind of got to be out of that
Speaker 2: survival mode to even explore this. If you're still in survival,
Speaker 2: it's going to be so hard to let go of
Speaker 2: a mask because it's like your nervous system you're unconscious,
Speaker 2: like it won't let you.
Speaker 3: But it is very difficult to do this. That was
Speaker 3: the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. So
Speaker 3: it's not something that you can just say, yeah, just
Speaker 3: do it it unconscious work. Yeah, the first thing is
Speaker 3: awareness and then start talking about it, start looking for it.
Speaker 3: Subconscious wants to go there anyway, so it's start doing it.
Speaker 3: A small thing for me.
Speaker 2: It was the small moments, even like I said the
Speaker 2: other day, when you said something about me not working
Speaker 2: as much, and then I had to in that moment decide,
Speaker 2: even though what you said is someone who I love
Speaker 2: and respect, I didn't want to wear that mask. So
Speaker 2: I was going to continue in the uncertainty, in the
Speaker 2: uncomfortable path of all I'm doing things differently, not wearing
Speaker 2: the overachieving mask. Like that's a small step, and it's
Speaker 2: like making those constantly where you're like, we don't want
Speaker 2: to do it, how I've always done it? Go to
Speaker 2: choose differently. Yeah, we're gonna love and leave you. This
Speaker 2: is just a little episode to get your brain thinking of,
Speaker 2: like maybe where you're wearing masks and how it could
Speaker 2: literally be creating health issues, how it could be you know,
Speaker 2: steering you in this unconscious constantly driving for something, and
Speaker 2: it's like you don't actually need to carry it anymore,
Speaker 2: you don't actually need to wear it, and you actually
Speaker 2: feel so much better, Like, for example, do you feel
Speaker 2: so much better now you're not like trying and pushing
Speaker 2: and craving dads love? Oh, Like I'm free, free weight
Speaker 2: off the shoulders.
Speaker 3: Imagine feeling free God locked up, Yeah, in the bottom
Speaker 3: of the cage and then you finally get out. That's
Speaker 3: literally what it feels like. That's what we're all chasing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, guys, thanks so much for listening. Cooper
Speaker 2: will be back because you guys love him, and we'll
Speaker 2: chat to you at some other point.
Speaker 3: Bye.