Speaker 1: Can I Peter Helly here, Welcome to you Ain't Seen
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet? The Movie Podcast where I checked to a
Speaker 1: movie lover about a classic of love movie that haven't
Speaker 1: quite got around to watch him until now. And today's
Speaker 1: guest comedian Phil Lloyd.
Speaker 2: You ever Danced with the Dead of the belleline?
Speaker 3: I'm walking here, walking.
Speaker 4: Here, of all the gin joints in all the towns
Speaker 4: in all the world. She walks into, mince.
Speaker 5: Me, haven't any right?
Speaker 6: So you ain't seen nothing yet.
Speaker 1: Phil Lloyd is a quiet giant of the Australian television industry.
Speaker 1: Phil has been involved in three ousy productions that have
Speaker 1: successfully been adapted in the US. A Review with Miles Barlow,
Speaker 1: The Moodies and No Activity.
Speaker 5: He's also the.
Speaker 1: Writer creator of the Channel nine comedy he Come Habib's
Speaker 1: Sando and Bad Mothers. I've known Pil for about ten
Speaker 1: years now, when we met making an ABC summer panel
Speaker 1: show for The Trophy Room. Who became instant mates who
Speaker 1: would write together on It Today, a show Phil would
Speaker 1: also act in in the second series, playing poteless romantic
Speaker 1: Brad Butler, a role he continues to play in the
Speaker 1: spin off How To Stay Married, starring Lis mcewe and
Speaker 1: yours truly as Greg Butler, Brad's brunner. Phil is not
Speaker 1: only enormously talented and hilarious, but is also one of
Speaker 1: the good guys of the industry. And I'm thrilled that
Speaker 1: he's joining in for a chat today.
Speaker 3: By I'm Phil Lloyd and my three favorite films, Planes, Trains,
Speaker 3: and Automobiles.
Speaker 7: One fucking car, right fucking.
Speaker 8: The Shawshank Redemption. Send you here for life, that's exactly
Speaker 8: what they.
Speaker 3: Take and wait for it, Big Trouble in Little China.
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding you, ready.
Speaker 8: Jack, I was born ready.
Speaker 3: But up until this week, I've never seen the film
Speaker 3: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Yes, the Quentin Tarantino's ninth film. We get it to
Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty to nine Hollywood, around the time the
Speaker 1: Hippie movement is about to come crashing down in the
Speaker 1: night of unprecedented horror and violence committed by the Manson family.
Speaker 1: But of course, because this is Quentin Tarantino, nothing happens
Speaker 1: the way we expect, or even the way he actually happened.
Speaker 1: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is a love letter
Speaker 1: to movie making and to Hollywood. As we follow Leonardo
Speaker 1: DiCaprio's Rick Dalton, a former A grade actor who has
Speaker 1: been consigned to guest roles as he battles with the
Speaker 1: idea that his glory days are over. And Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: stuntman Cliff Booth, who keeps Rick's world afloat, chauffeuring him,
Speaker 1: fixing his TV antenor and keeping in company. It's a
Speaker 1: bromance that I'm totally here for, Phil Lloyd. Have you
Speaker 1: ever yelled of hippies in your street? In the bath
Speaker 1: Roy whilst holding a jug of margaritas?
Speaker 3: Is a regular Tuesday mind street. We live very close
Speaker 3: to some backpackers, some hostels, So yeah, that's that has
Speaker 3: Actually a version of that hasn't happened.
Speaker 1: If anyone has any dashboard cam of that incident, please
Speaker 1: let me know. I would love to see it, mate.
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching. This is a bit of a commitment.
Speaker 1: It's a two hour, forty minute film.
Speaker 5: Why hadn't you seen it up until this point? I
Speaker 5: was surprised that you hadn't.
Speaker 8: Yeah, look, it's a combination of things.
Speaker 3: It was just, I don't know, just one of those films,
Speaker 3: very busy at the time and just sort of never
Speaker 3: got got round to it. The other thing is with
Speaker 3: for me in Tarantino movies, I have a slight feeling
Speaker 3: of anticipation, like a slight apprehension, because I know his
Speaker 3: films can be quite you know, savagely violent and quite shocking,
Speaker 3: and and I have to give myself up for that.
Speaker 3: So like, if I'm going to see a Tarantino movie,
Speaker 3: I'm going to put my helmet on and go, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm going to see I'm going to see some stuff now,
Speaker 3: And that was probably subconsciously had something to do with it. Well,
Speaker 3: I never made time to get out there and go
Speaker 3: to the cinema and see it. But pretty glad i've
Speaker 3: seen it now excellent.
Speaker 1: Well before we get your thoughts on it, and there's
Speaker 1: obviously a lot to discuss with this particular movie, but
Speaker 1: I fascinated and excited about your three favorite films, particularly
Speaker 1: one which is I've cited as in my top three,
Speaker 1: and that is the John Hughes classic Steve Martin, John Candy, Planes,
Speaker 1: Trains and Automobiles. It's the first time somebody's put it
Speaker 1: in the top three, and I'm bloody excited that you did.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I just you know, it's a it's a tough
Speaker 3: thing choosing your favorite movies, but I got I've got
Speaker 3: to think about the films that I get most joy
Speaker 3: from and have watched the most. And that's definitely one
Speaker 3: I have seen. I couldn't tell you how many times
Speaker 3: I've watched it. It was one of our family movies
Speaker 3: growing up, and growing up probably my two favorite comedy
Speaker 3: stars was Steve Martin and John Candy. So they're in
Speaker 3: the same film together, directed by John Hughes. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's a it's a match made in heaven. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I just love that.
Speaker 1: Film, and it's it's so quotable. There are so many
Speaker 1: great funny lines in it. You know those aren't pillows
Speaker 1: and yeah, and that whole beat that Steve Martin gives
Speaker 1: about the chatty Kathy Doll and just ripping John Candy's
Speaker 1: heart out is just That's that it works on both
Speaker 1: levels of being really funny but just quite I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember tearing up, you know when I first saw it.
Speaker 1: I must have been twelve, I think, and I saw
Speaker 1: it in the cinema and I remember tearing up, and
Speaker 1: I think I most time, most times I've watched it,
Speaker 1: I reckon I've tied it up in not just that
Speaker 1: moment that the you know, the big the big twist
Speaker 1: at the end.
Speaker 8: Yeah, hundred percent. Like I think that's what was so
Speaker 8: genius about John Hughes.
Speaker 3: He was just able to tread that line between pathos
Speaker 3: and kind of real sadness, but then you're also really
Speaker 3: laughing and it can be really harsh and really cynical,
Speaker 3: and just those two characters are just such a great
Speaker 3: couple of characters, a real odd couple.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and the whole.
Speaker 3: Road trip thing and they've got this journey they're trying
Speaker 3: to get to the end of it. Yes, I makes
Speaker 3: we're kind of going to want to go watch it again.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think it's Steve Martin certainly.
Speaker 1: I think it's John Candy's best performance that I've ever
Speaker 1: seen seen with him.
Speaker 5: I think he's just it. It's so good.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen Plans, Trains and No Bills, do
Speaker 1: yourself a favorite and get to it. A film that
Speaker 1: hasn't actually made it into a top three, surprisingly, but
Speaker 1: often is you know mentioned, you know when people talk
Speaker 1: about greatest films ever made? Is sure Shank Redemption.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look that's another one. I know that's pretty It's
Speaker 3: a pretty big one for a lot of people. It's
Speaker 3: one of those films that you know, you turn the
Speaker 3: TV on, it's I don't know, quarter to ten at
Speaker 3: night or whatever time you go on to bed, and
Speaker 3: you just happen to catch sure Shank is on the
Speaker 3: t V and so, oh yeah, I remember this, sat
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is a great scene. So then you
Speaker 3: find yourself sitting down on the couch just to watch
Speaker 3: it for ten minutes. Cut to you know, nineteen minutes
Speaker 3: later and the credits are rolling.
Speaker 8: You've watched the whole thing.
Speaker 3: It's one of those kind of films where it's a
Speaker 3: bit like comfort food really, but it's just.
Speaker 8: A it's a really compelling story.
Speaker 3: Again, great characters, and I love the backstory to it
Speaker 3: that it was just, you know, based on a Stephen
Speaker 3: King short story. It's just one of those ones that
Speaker 3: I always get enjoyment from watching.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and again maybe Tim Robins best performance.
Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman is you know, Morgan Freeman's voice is you know,
Speaker 1: is so kind of revered. But I feel like when
Speaker 1: I think of Morgan Freeman's voice, I think of short
Speaker 1: Aank Redemption even more so than seven at which I
Speaker 1: love and another film he's been in like that that
Speaker 1: is maybe the best voiceover movie of all time.
Speaker 8: It totally is.
Speaker 3: And it's a really interesting one to talk about and analyze, actually,
Speaker 3: because for a long while I thought the protagonist in
Speaker 3: that movie was the Tim Robins character, but actually I
Speaker 3: think it's it's Morgan Freeman's character.
Speaker 5: It's a really.
Speaker 3: They've sort of given equal weight and there's this sort
Speaker 3: of push paull between them the whole way.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Classic.
Speaker 1: Also an interesting thing is that it wasn't necessarily a
Speaker 1: box office smashed upon release.
Speaker 5: It took it. I think it took until finding a
Speaker 5: video audience before it kind of became the revered movie
Speaker 5: that it is now.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's happened to a number of films, hasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I remember that it wasn't a huge
Speaker 3: hit at the at the cinemas, but it's been a
Speaker 3: slow burn, I guess for everyone. There's a few films
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 8: I remember a Blade Runner it was the same thing.
Speaker 3: There's another great film which I love, but it was
Speaker 3: a didn't do well at the box office, was critically panned.
Speaker 8: But now looking back on that thing, I mean, it's
Speaker 8: just it's amazing.
Speaker 3: It's another one that I love, going back to Rewatch, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that wasn't a hit at the time.
Speaker 5: And Big Trouble in that little chime.
Speaker 3: A little bit of a palette cleanser there, and look
Speaker 3: it's fair to say, uh, it's just it's just one
Speaker 3: of those ones that popping into my head and I
Speaker 3: just I just want, you know what, I'm just going
Speaker 3: with that, But I do love that film. Another one
Speaker 3: that I grew up with. Kurt Russell just amazing, just
Speaker 3: but a great action comedy. I think John Carpenter, you know,
Speaker 3: he made some great films. I mean, you know, Escape
Speaker 3: from La, Escape from New York, Escape from La and
Speaker 3: the Thing another amazing film. Big Trouble though, just I
Speaker 3: have a big smile on my face every time I
Speaker 3: hit play on that. On that movie, it's it's just
Speaker 3: Kurt Russell.
Speaker 8: Being an idiot, and he knows he's been an idiot,
Speaker 8: but he's really just committed to that character.
Speaker 3: And it's I love action comedy and it's one of
Speaker 3: those action comedies from the eighties, which they did so
Speaker 3: well back then.
Speaker 8: It's a great adventure film.
Speaker 1: Why don't they make I mean, I guess, I guess
Speaker 1: there's been a few. I think Kevin Hartswall he made
Speaker 1: a few of those types of films, and Melisam McCarthy's
Speaker 1: I made a few.
Speaker 5: So they're completely gone.
Speaker 1: But it was a bit of a golden age for
Speaker 1: the maybe even because that was when they first appeared.
Speaker 1: Perhaps you know the action comedies that you know, maybe
Speaker 1: pre eighties they probably weren't action, was maybe all kind
Speaker 1: of serious or something.
Speaker 3: I think so, yeah, I think that that combining, combining
Speaker 3: those two uh you know genre's comedy and action films,
Speaker 3: they got they they ended up getting really good at
Speaker 3: it in the eighties. I remember, I remember, you know,
Speaker 3: Beverley Hills Cop. I think it was probably nowhere near
Speaker 3: as funny, or probably wasn't they imagined as being as
Speaker 3: funny until Ednie Murphy got involved. That's another great example
Speaker 3: of a great action comedy. I mean, the the truck
Speaker 3: slash police car chase at the start of that film
Speaker 3: is just airpeck and I don't think I've ever seen
Speaker 3: anything about tops it really Yeah. I mean, how many
Speaker 3: cars did they total during the opening of that film.
Speaker 8: It's like hundreds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe second only the Blues Brothers perhaps, but maybe,
Speaker 1: but they had actual left playing as well, which was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things they got right, and Beverley.
Speaker 5: Hill's got and the pornis and the banana in the
Speaker 5: tail part.
Speaker 1: So all right, let's let's the three great films well
Speaker 1: chosen and we this time, though, we will take a
Speaker 1: quick word from our sponsor before we find out what
Speaker 1: you actually thought of Quentin Tarantino's night film, What's upon
Speaker 1: a Time in Hollywood? All right, Phil, you finally have
Speaker 1: sat down to watch this two hour, forty minute epic
Speaker 1: from Quentin Tarantino. I must say Tarantina for me is
Speaker 1: one of those directors that I'm like, if I've waited
Speaker 1: three days to see it, I've waited too long. I
Speaker 1: just have to see what he's done. I like to
Speaker 1: see before I've heard too much about it. So I
Speaker 1: was very quick onto this, as I am with all of
Speaker 1: his film. I was lucky enough to interview him twice,
Speaker 1: once on TV for the Project and another time for
Speaker 1: The Hateful Eight. I hosted the Q and after, so
Speaker 1: we had like basically an hour with him before we
Speaker 1: got to the questions and Samuel Jackson and Kurt Russell
Speaker 1: and it was it was a pretty cool experience.
Speaker 5: But I want to know, what did you think of
Speaker 5: this movie?
Speaker 8: Look, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I didn't know quite what to expect, again because I
Speaker 3: hadn't seen it, and I knew at some point I
Speaker 3: was going to watch it.
Speaker 8: I tried to.
Speaker 3: Avoid reading too much about it. But you know, for me,
Speaker 3: the two hours forty minutes didn't drag at all. I mean,
Speaker 3: if anything, I was disappointed when it got to the end.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that's it. And even though it
Speaker 3: was a long time, but it was it was I
Speaker 3: mean every scene was like thoroughly enjoyable. And I think
Speaker 3: that's where it's such a master of a director. He
Speaker 3: can just milk those scenes and just get so much
Speaker 3: out of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's really I think he's he's earned the
Speaker 1: right because don't think anybody else gets.
Speaker 8: His film made, you know, like, yeah, that's what I
Speaker 8: was thinking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for lots of reasons.
Speaker 1: I think for budget, but also the script, Like for
Speaker 1: a long time you're kind of wondering what the film's
Speaker 1: about and you and it's for me, it's a perfect
Speaker 1: example of a film that is just great to bathe in,
Speaker 1: almost like this just what let it wash over, you
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just it's just great to live
Speaker 1: in this world for you know, a little bit over
Speaker 1: two and a half hours. But I remember what the
Speaker 1: first time I watched it, and I've probably seen it
Speaker 1: five times now, I remember the first time watching it
Speaker 1: going what what's happening? Like what or why isn't anything happening?
Speaker 1: Like you feel like much was going on? But and
Speaker 1: I was really okay with it. But I remember thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: when's it gonna when is it going to come and
Speaker 1: get to that next bit. And I think when they
Speaker 1: start when there's a time jump, I think it's six
Speaker 1: months when he goes through Illian does the the spaghetti
Speaker 1: westerns and then they use like time stamps and and
Speaker 1: and and Kurt Russell voiceover becomes you know, and he's
Speaker 1: got a date stamp as well. So I think that
Speaker 1: gives it that momentum for that last act of going, okay, things,
Speaker 1: this is where things.
Speaker 8: Is going somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I had the same feeling. I did think the same thing,
Speaker 3: but I wasn't worried because I felt like it'll definitely
Speaker 3: be going somewhere at some point. I really reveled in
Speaker 3: the fact that's set mostly in la Having lived in
Speaker 3: l A for a little while, seeing all the references,
Speaker 3: especially from that time period was exciting, like mussoa and
Speaker 3: Franks and and you know, Hollywood Boulevard and all those
Speaker 3: places along there. What I really what really hooked me
Speaker 3: in at the start though, was Leonardo's character. You know,
Speaker 3: he's having that meeting with al Pacino's character and Musso
Speaker 3: and Franks and our Patino's character tells him that, you know,
Speaker 3: like he always plays the villain and therefore people, audiences
Speaker 3: start to associate that with the actor, and therefore he's
Speaker 3: never going to be a leading man or a big star.
Speaker 3: And he really and Leonardo's character really takes that to
Speaker 3: heart and it really bugs him and that's sort of
Speaker 3: what drives him on for the rest of the film.
Speaker 8: And I've got to.
Speaker 3: Admit, being an actor and big part of this industry,
Speaker 3: it is a thought that crosses everyone.
Speaker 8: At what point am I just washed up?
Speaker 3: Am I just like do I need to just go
Speaker 3: and do something else, or you know, do I need
Speaker 3: to do something different or reinvent myself or It's definitely
Speaker 3: a thought that crosses every actor's mind.
Speaker 8: I think at some point.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I was going to ask you about that, like, like,
Speaker 1: do you feel washed up?
Speaker 3: I'm doing your podcast, mate, So just jokes cut that out.
Speaker 5: No, it's a really it's a really interesting thing.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, you do, of course take stock
Speaker 1: and think, Okay, what do the next you know, a
Speaker 1: few years look like. For me, I've always been extremely
Speaker 1: conscious that when I started doing a comedy, and I
Speaker 1: was twenty one when I started worked on stage for
Speaker 1: the first time, that this is a long it's a
Speaker 1: long play.
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's a long term thing and too.
Speaker 1: You know, to be to make a living and to
Speaker 1: support a family over you know, a period of you know,
Speaker 1: for forty.
Speaker 5: Years or whatever it might end up being is is
Speaker 5: going to be really tough.
Speaker 1: And so you had to kind of think combine those
Speaker 1: choices with creative and and also kind of you know
Speaker 1: what actually is going to you know, bring you money.
Speaker 1: I've been lucky that I think I've made choices that
Speaker 1: fulfilled me both on both sides. You know, I've still
Speaker 1: said no to jobs that for a financial you know,
Speaker 1: for the purely financial calls. But you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm forty five and I'm going to go Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: when if I wanted, you know, I may want to
Speaker 1: work to do I die, But if I wanted to quit,
Speaker 1: you know, and just walk away from the industry, like
Speaker 1: fifteen years when I'm sixty, is am I going to
Speaker 1: be able to get away with that?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: You know what your hope is for it to be
Speaker 1: at the choice to retire as opposed to you know,
Speaker 1: not having that choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah one, And I mean, yeah, luckily these days you
Speaker 3: have the gig economy.
Speaker 8: Like things like Uber and you've got a job.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like, it's definitely something that plays on my
Speaker 3: mind from time to time. It was interesting watching the
Speaker 3: film though, because at the same time I was watching
Speaker 3: that and there was a really I was thinking about it,
Speaker 3: But at the same time I knew that I was
Speaker 3: watching two massive starts to Capra and Brad Fitt playing
Speaker 3: these characters. So there was a kind of a weird
Speaker 3: already going on there as well.
Speaker 1: But none of the things the film a homage to
Speaker 1: movie making and Hollywood. Tarantino is also kind of tipping
Speaker 1: the hat to himself a little bit as well, I think,
Speaker 1: because there are a few things, a few almost a
Speaker 1: little in jokes, like Kurt Russell and Zori Bell being
Speaker 1: the stunt coordinators and they played like Kurt Russell stunt
Speaker 1: and Mike and death Proof and Zory Bell was also
Speaker 1: in that wash and but also the idea of the
Speaker 1: Sam want to make a character who is really a
Speaker 1: lovely performance. And he's telling Leonardo DiCaprio about the hippie
Speaker 1: makeup and Lena or Rick Dalton's kind of resisting that
Speaker 1: he doesn't they won't know it's me, and he's explaining
Speaker 1: to him, no, you know you're better than than this,
Speaker 1: you know, I want you to actually be the role,
Speaker 1: be the character. And Tarantina has has has taken people
Speaker 1: who the industry may have considered washed up, famously most
Speaker 1: famous who have John Travolin in pulp fiction. He continues
Speaker 1: to do it, you know, unlikely people who you know,
Speaker 1: the industry has kind of forgotten about. And Kurt Russell.
Speaker 1: Again he's done with with with Kurt Russell. But so
Speaker 1: I think it's also a nice tip of the hat
Speaker 1: to himself that you know that Sam want to make it,
Speaker 1: you know, it reaches his hand out to Rick Dalton
Speaker 1: to you know, to to have him out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's cool.
Speaker 3: I think yeah, and that's what That's one of the
Speaker 3: things I love about Tarantino.
Speaker 8: Is that he does that. And you know, yeah, Kurt
Speaker 8: russ Is.
Speaker 3: Another great example is probably why I went to Big Trouble,
Speaker 3: Little China because a big Kurt fan from the eighties.
Speaker 8: But yeah, even to be honest, I mean, even seeing
Speaker 8: our Pucino in a in a tarent in that role
Speaker 8: in in this movie was great.
Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't call out the Chino you know,
Speaker 3: washed up or one of yesterday's stars or whatever, but
Speaker 3: Tom probably doesn't have the massive profile that he used
Speaker 3: to have. But it was just interesting seeing him in
Speaker 3: a in a small, contained role, in a different role
Speaker 3: to the ones we generally see.
Speaker 5: It was it was it was so much fun. I
Speaker 5: thought that that you know, you know, two levels.
Speaker 1: It was fun because it was I mean those It
Speaker 1: was a really fun way to kind of go through
Speaker 1: Rick Dalton's you know, filmography and see all the stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, the bounty law stuff and which we know
Speaker 1: we see a little bit of that earlier as well,
Speaker 1: but then to go through yeah, that another tip of
Speaker 1: the hat, which is the film he makes when he
Speaker 1: takes the Nazis with Wayne Thrower, is obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: we have the tip of the hat to.
Speaker 8: Glorious cast and Chloris Barton and you know the line anybody.
Speaker 7: Or the Fried Sour Krat, anybody or Fried so very good.
Speaker 5: And then and then he's doing you know that Halla
Speaker 5: Balue show. He's doing the singing green doll.
Speaker 8: In this gulf of a little tree featuring.
Speaker 5: Good Parson.
Speaker 3: Behind the ring.
Speaker 5: It was a lot of fun to you know, to
Speaker 5: have those moments.
Speaker 1: But on the and on the other hand, like you said,
Speaker 1: the Opportuno's kind of the character Marvin Schwaz, He's he's
Speaker 1: playing you know, he kind of kickstarts Rick's you know,
Speaker 1: kind of journey into self doubt and and and the
Speaker 1: self torture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and he's the one who ends up. You know,
Speaker 3: that's why he gets into doing spaghetti westerns and stuff
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 8: Now, really cool casting. There's always great casting in his films,
Speaker 8: which is I think it's.
Speaker 3: Part the part of the rich why you go see
Speaker 3: one of his films is because he's got some really
Speaker 3: cool casting.
Speaker 8: Going on and you don't quite know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Brad Pitt wins Wins the Oscar for this
Speaker 1: best supporting actor. I must say I love Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: in this in this movie, and I love I'm a
Speaker 1: massive Brad Pit fan. I used to do in community
Speaker 1: radio many years ago. I think I may have mentioned
Speaker 1: this on the podcast and I had just seen Twelve
Speaker 1: Monkeys and I said to my my co host, James Brashers,
Speaker 1: if you're listening, that Brad Pitt will go down as
Speaker 1: one of the great actors of his generation. And he
Speaker 1: mercifully mocked me. And I just have to bring it
Speaker 1: up occasionally, just because you know, nothing will replace the
Speaker 1: feeling of being mocked, you know, and like because you can't.
Speaker 1: I can't prove twenty years ago that this was all
Speaker 1: going to happen, but I was confident. But now so
Speaker 1: when Brad Pitt wins an Oscar turns in another great performance,
Speaker 1: I just have to go no, I I saw this
Speaker 1: happening without all that said, though, I'm not surprisingly wins
Speaker 1: and Oscar for this performance. It's a really good performance.
Speaker 1: It's not the kind of performance usually wins an Oscar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's It's It's an interesting one, isn't it. Because
Speaker 3: Brad Pitt two has such a big name and m
Speaker 3: h and often you know, those big names don't win Oscars,
Speaker 3: like I don't, as Tom Cruise one on Oscar.
Speaker 5: Non nominated, but I think that close.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it depends, I think, on the type of
Speaker 3: film too that you're in. But I look, I agree.
Speaker 3: I think Brad has really matured as an actor as
Speaker 3: he's gotten older, and and this role really felt like
Speaker 3: he was really comfortable in this role, and he just
Speaker 3: felt really yeah, relaxed, and I loved seeing him. You know,
Speaker 3: he's still a tough guy, but he just was pretty
Speaker 3: laid back in it. He wasn't trying too hard or
Speaker 3: anything like that. It was just a really nice, perfectly
Speaker 3: pitched performance. And it's a really cool character too. I
Speaker 3: just really like the character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was he was really fun to hang out
Speaker 1: with and all that stuff at the.
Speaker 5: At the Spawn Ranch.
Speaker 1: That scene, I mean, you know, when you think Brent Tarantina,
Speaker 1: you do think of these, you know, set pieces that
Speaker 1: you know he subverts your expectations, and when he gets
Speaker 1: to the Spawn Ranch one is just I mean it's
Speaker 1: Brad Pitts. Of course the cinematographer is you know, is
Speaker 1: you know half the job's done for him because but
Speaker 1: this I just loved that scene in particular, and it
Speaker 1: does happen quite a way into the film. We do
Speaker 1: get there eventually, and we should point out a lot
Speaker 1: of this is based on you know, the characters have
Speaker 1: been change, but a lot of it is based on real history.
Speaker 1: Spawn Ranch, you know, was where the Manson family kind
Speaker 1: of set up their headquarters. It was run by a
Speaker 1: guy called George Spawn who allowed allowed them to be there,
Speaker 1: and he had relationships with some of them, and and
Speaker 1: and that the person, I think it might have been
Speaker 1: one of the beach boys or a music producer, had
Speaker 1: actually gone out there and and after picking up them
Speaker 1: two I think it was two of the girls from
Speaker 1: the ranch, and took them back and they were hitchhiking.
Speaker 5: And so there's even that detail.
Speaker 1: Of Brad Pitt via hitchhiker is based on something that
Speaker 1: actually happened in the when he the guy slashes his
Speaker 1: tile or nice hist tire, there's a there's a cowboy
Speaker 1: in the background of his shop, and that's apparently a
Speaker 1: reference to there was one guy who was a ranch hand.
Speaker 1: He was he was the only ranch hand at working
Speaker 1: there at the time, and he was trying to convince
Speaker 1: George wanted to get these people, these who were bad,
Speaker 1: get rid of them and ended up disappearing, and supposedly
Speaker 1: his bloody parts were basically burying on various parts of
Speaker 1: the Wow. So it is one of those things throughout
Speaker 1: the movie you kind of have to come and keep
Speaker 1: reminding yourself that these are these are not nice people.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know that that was that was the thing.
Speaker 3: I guess thats what you sort of so I knew
Speaker 3: that much about the film before going in, so I
Speaker 3: kind of always had this like just keeping an eye
Speaker 3: on when things were going to turn or go south
Speaker 3: or And I remember the him arriving at the at
Speaker 3: the at the ranch, at the movie ranch, and then
Speaker 3: wanting to go and talk to George and then all
Speaker 3: the cult members that have come out and don't and
Speaker 3: just wanted to leave and stuff. And that's when I
Speaker 3: started to get a little bit nervous, like, I know
Speaker 3: something's going to go down here. I don't know what,
Speaker 3: but there's definitely And Tarantine is so good at that.
Speaker 3: He's so good at milking suspense and just just really
Speaker 3: turning the screws ever so slightly, turning up the heat
Speaker 3: so that you really feel it. And I really wish
Speaker 3: I'd seen this in the cinema to get the full
Speaker 3: sensation of that feel to when it goes to meet George.
Speaker 5: My favorite tarantine It's my favorite thing.
Speaker 1: The Tarantino does what you just said, just those It's
Speaker 1: like a set play that is full of tension, and
Speaker 1: I think he uses the idea that you know, ninety
Speaker 1: five percent of the people seen this movie know a
Speaker 1: little bit and enough about the Manson family murders and
Speaker 1: what happened with Sharon Tates. So he uses that as
Speaker 1: us having that knowledge to you know, to increase the intensity.
Speaker 1: And you know, when Brad Pitt went into that house,
Speaker 1: in my mind, I was in no doubt. I didn't
Speaker 1: know enough about George Borne in the ranch, but I
Speaker 1: have no doubt that he was dead.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when he gets there and he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: snoring and he's got a grantagerous old.
Speaker 5: Man, you know, it's, yeah, it's not what you were expecting.
Speaker 3: But even that was really really great anti climax, Like
Speaker 3: I wasn't disappointed or anything. It was just yeah, subverted
Speaker 3: expectation again and it was it was great.
Speaker 1: You know, and then the scenes I over he is
Speaker 1: still because you know you still you know, now he's
Speaker 1: in a dangerous place and is he going to get
Speaker 1: out alive? And then he has the mix, you know,
Speaker 1: the the interaction with the guy who stuck a knife
Speaker 1: at his tire, but you know, tex text is coming
Speaker 1: and Texts has a feeling of like maybe being able
Speaker 1: to handle himself more so than this the guy who
Speaker 1: did that to his tire. So it's yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: the way the way that whole I was so impressive,
Speaker 1: The whole sporting ranch stuff.
Speaker 8: I thought it was was amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, looks so cool. I mean, I mean all of
Speaker 3: it looks amazing. Like I was, just as I said,
Speaker 3: so many of the references. It was such a joy
Speaker 3: to watch them. But the other thing about the film too,
Speaker 3: in terms of the aesthetic, was I just couldn't believe
Speaker 3: the the amazing street scenes, like the driving for the
Speaker 3: streets of La even the freeways and that, and they
Speaker 3: still had really old billboards from the sixties and all
Speaker 3: these old cars.
Speaker 8: I'm like, wow, that is such a massive. The scale
Speaker 8: of that is.
Speaker 3: So huge, the those streets with all those old cars
Speaker 3: and all the artwork and stuff.
Speaker 8: I mean, that's just huge.
Speaker 1: The art design in this isn't just incredible. I think
Speaker 1: it may have also won the Oscar for that as well.
Speaker 1: Right and everything and Mayo Robbie said she's never felt
Speaker 1: so transported somewhere, like everything was was like real.
Speaker 5: It was the cars were real. The amount of.
Speaker 1: Extras that they had, the dress up and everything just
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, you were real. The permission they
Speaker 1: got the suit and to have the vendors in the
Speaker 1: boulevard allowed them to you know re you know, have
Speaker 1: facades at the redo there fa sad at the front,
Speaker 1: apparently a lot of them. I said afterwards, we're can
Speaker 1: we just keep it like this and this kind.
Speaker 3: Of you should just that's kind of just leave it.
Speaker 3: That's great kind of retros. So yeah, yeah, I know
Speaker 3: that it was really so it's so visually rich to watch.
Speaker 3: It was again, I wish I'd turned it on the
Speaker 3: big screen. Now you had all the lots of characters.
Speaker 3: Steve McQueen.
Speaker 1: Is in there, played by Damian Lewis, and and lots
Speaker 1: of obviously Polanski and and but there's there's one slightly
Speaker 1: controversial one. I will get your thoughts on it. It
Speaker 1: involves Bruce Lee. The portrayal of Bruce Lee, I just
Speaker 1: want to let's have a listen to the Bruce's interaction
Speaker 1: with Cliff Booth.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, So did I say something funny stun Man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you kind of did.
Speaker 8: What's so funny?
Speaker 5: Look, man, I don't want any trouble.
Speaker 6: I'm just here to do a job.
Speaker 2: To laughing at what I'm saying. But I'm not saying
Speaker 2: anything funny. So what do you think is so funny?
Speaker 5: What I think is.
Speaker 6: You're a little man with a big mouth and a
Speaker 6: big chip, and I think you should be embarrassed to
Speaker 6: suggest you'd be anything more than a stain on the
Speaker 6: seat of Cassius Clay's trunks.
Speaker 2: Brother, you are the one with the big mouth, and
Speaker 2: I would really enjoy closing it, especially in front of
Speaker 2: all my friends. But my hands are registered as lethal weapons.
Speaker 2: That means we get into a fight, I accidentally kill you,
Speaker 2: I go to jail.
Speaker 6: Anybody accidentally kills anybody in a fight that go to jail.
Speaker 6: It's called manslaughter. And I think all that lethal weapon
Speaker 6: horseshit is just an excuse so you dancers never have
Speaker 6: to get in a real fight.
Speaker 1: So China refused to certify this film unless Quentin Tarantino
Speaker 1: edited this scene took it out.
Speaker 5: Tarantina refused to do so.
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee is seen like he is a massive cultural
Speaker 1: figure that he means a lot to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I must say when I saw this, I could only
Speaker 1: imagine that it was kind of based on something that happened.
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to find, though, any kind of
Speaker 1: reference to it being based on a real incident. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't delved into the you know, the
Speaker 1: history of Bruce Lee enough. Luke McGregor was on the
Speaker 1: on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, and he
Speaker 1: this kind of this kind of upset hing the idea that,
Speaker 1: you know, the way he was betrayed, also that he
Speaker 1: was beaten in a fight by Hollywood studt Man.
Speaker 5: But you know it is it is good.
Speaker 1: He does come across as a massive as an American
Speaker 1: might say, jackass.
Speaker 3: Yeah look, I thought it was. I just again just
Speaker 3: really enjoyed the scene. But I have no idea of
Speaker 3: the historic accuracy or what it's based on. I guess
Speaker 3: I really just enjoyed it on the level of, Wow,
Speaker 3: here's these big name characters based on real people that
Speaker 3: we all know about.
Speaker 8: In a fictional context, a context in a film.
Speaker 3: And again that's what I really part of what I
Speaker 3: loved about this film, and it's it's it is a
Speaker 3: great scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a great and I'm kind of conflicted
Speaker 1: by because I love some of the dialogue in it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a great little fight scene. It's funny
Speaker 1: at the end because you know the damage he's done
Speaker 1: to the car and Kurt Russell's just got him this
Speaker 1: you know, this gig and he's, you know, stay away
Speaker 1: from my wife and his sorry bell comes out and
Speaker 1: it's all it all goes pear shape and Click gets
Speaker 1: thrown off the lot. But yeah, I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: conflicted by it because you know, I feel like there
Speaker 1: should be some reverence to Bruce Lee, and way I
Speaker 1: feel better if this was real, even though that would
Speaker 1: mean that maybe Bruce Lee was a bit of a jackass.
Speaker 8: But yeah, it's true. He was a I mean, yeah,
Speaker 8: Bruce Bruce Layer. I mean, he's an icon.
Speaker 3: There was Interestingly, and I saw a snippet of a
Speaker 3: documentary on SPS the other night about talking about Bruce
Speaker 3: Lee and America's at the time inability to accept an
Speaker 3: Asian action hero as a you know, a leading man
Speaker 3: in a in a TV shot that was a very
Speaker 3: difficult you know, for Bruce Lee to break through in
Speaker 3: America was so difficult because it was just just, I guess,
Speaker 3: this inherent sort of racism or inability to accept anyone
Speaker 3: from outside, and so you get things like, you know,
Speaker 3: David Carodine playing the main role in in what was
Speaker 3: the TV show Kung Fu?
Speaker 8: Stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's kind of looking back now, it's kind
Speaker 3: of mind boggling, but at the time, yeah, it was
Speaker 3: a very real.
Speaker 8: Issue like something that that that he had to break
Speaker 8: through that.
Speaker 5: But yes, Breakfast of Tiffany to see Mickey Rudy's the
Speaker 5: Trail as the Chinese neighbor, which is.
Speaker 1: Just horrific and spoils what is otherwise a classic, you know,
Speaker 1: classic movie. What do you think of the the little
Speaker 1: backstory we get of Cliff and his wife and whether
Speaker 1: he killed his wife or not on the boat? I
Speaker 1: see as a Hollywood tip of the hats of the
Speaker 1: Natalie Wood Robert Wager situation. But I was a bit
Speaker 1: confused as what we were supposed to do with it
Speaker 1: outside of it kind of being this is another little yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, Hollywood tipbit was was this guy that
Speaker 1: we kind of quite like and enjoyed. Did he speak
Speaker 1: and his wife? What information?
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it certainly didn't go anywhere in the end,
Speaker 3: wasn't picked up and but but maybe the point was
Speaker 3: to just get like you say, put that, put that
Speaker 3: ambiguous thought in your mind and have you wonder and
Speaker 3: and maybe asked the question that you've just asked that
Speaker 3: can you still go on a journey and like this
Speaker 3: guy even though he may or may not have done
Speaker 3: this horrible thing in the past. Yeah, because in many
Speaker 3: ways that speaks to a lot of what's gone.
Speaker 8: Down in recent years in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in terms of, you know, there's these people who
Speaker 3: have had big, very successful careers that have have done
Speaker 3: some horrible things to get there. And at what would
Speaker 3: you say and us enough for like you know, I'm out.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: I did watch an interview with Quentin Tarantino and Paul
Speaker 1: Thomas Anderson when this film was released, just literally the
Speaker 1: week it was released. And Harvey Weinstein has obviously done
Speaker 1: a lot because the first twelve or so, I think
Speaker 1: I think unless it was the hate, this might have
Speaker 1: been hateful late maybe, uh, And Harvey Weinstein obviously done
Speaker 1: a lot of work to get these cinemas. X amount
Speaker 1: of Citizen has fit of out with the projectors so
Speaker 1: they could have the seventy milimeter And Tarantino says, you
Speaker 1: might want to take this back now. He said, when
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein one day dies, he's got one hell of
Speaker 1: a eulogy coming for me. I've got one hell of
Speaker 1: a great eulogy for him based on what he's done,
Speaker 1: even if he doesn't do anything else in his life,
Speaker 1: he's going to get a great religi for me. Well,
Speaker 1: you may you may want a second take on that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure that one's going
Speaker 3: to pan out anymore.
Speaker 5: Do you have a favorite?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I love that he spends time with the character in
Speaker 1: like Rick Dalton's characters in the movies and the TV shows.
Speaker 5: That he's done.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, there's a great kind of scene, you know,
Speaker 1: when he's working with Timothy Oliphant and he's playing the
Speaker 1: bad guy and when he's loses his lines and he
Speaker 1: goes back to his trailer and he reps the trailer
Speaker 1: out which I believe this was all, and that leads
Speaker 1: kind of scene that Leonardo DiCaprio kind of came up with,
Speaker 1: and then then he kind of comes back after lunch
Speaker 1: and and and yeah and tarantine. I say, it's almost
Speaker 1: like you know, the you know, the showdown the Okay Corral,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of it's internal, it's it's about, you know,
Speaker 1: it's what's going on inside Rick Dalton's head. And he
Speaker 1: has to and you know, as as you know actors,
Speaker 1: you got to know what it's like to kind of
Speaker 1: when you're not inform And this is where I think
Speaker 1: some people don't think about that, you know, the courage
Speaker 1: of acting sometimes and the vulnerability actors of like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's such as the camera there's often you know, this
Speaker 1: crew around waiting for you, you know, and there's and they're
Speaker 1: they're all eyes are on you at times.
Speaker 5: And I remember one day I was in a.
Speaker 1: Sketch comedy show called Skit House, and I just I
Speaker 1: was the last chunk of kind of reasonably uninteresting dialogue.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that the jokes weren't here. I was playing
Speaker 1: like a corporate guy, but it was quite a long
Speaker 1: bit of dialogue and I just could not it were
Speaker 1: just not stick in my head and Dana Reed was
Speaker 1: directing and she was great, but we had like cut
Speaker 1: dialogue out because I just was not getting it out.
Speaker 1: And I remember this feeling with every tape that's the
Speaker 1: pressure was building and building and building, and it's a
Speaker 1: really horrible place to be where you are not finding
Speaker 1: what you need to find.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in that situation.
Speaker 8: Oh totally. And that's that.
Speaker 3: That's the exact scene that came to mind when I
Speaker 3: was thinking about them some of the more memorable scenes,
Speaker 3: and that's definitely.
Speaker 8: Definitely one of them.
Speaker 3: And you've probably because just you know, you've been there
Speaker 3: where you just it's just.
Speaker 8: For whatever reason, you're having a bit of a mental block.
Speaker 3: You can't get the line or you can't nail it
Speaker 3: the way that you need to, and you start to
Speaker 3: get you start to sweat. You're aware, you're just acutely
Speaker 3: aware of suddenly have all these eyes on you, not
Speaker 3: to mention your coast, your co actors who are doing
Speaker 3: all their stuff right, and they're just going, come on, man,
Speaker 3: let's let's get through this. Let's nail it and move on.
Speaker 1: This scene where his co actor is an eight year
Speaker 1: old a girl and she's she's doing over the cheese
Speaker 1: mess blue and that's it's love because when the scene finishes,
Speaker 1: you really feel you feel the relateds busy playboy lead
Speaker 1: out of DiCaprio.
Speaker 5: You know, let's have it. Let's have it. Listened to
Speaker 5: one side, that cold cotton mate, they've got the scene
Speaker 5: in the can.
Speaker 8: Okay, click click quick quarter there. Oh that was it
Speaker 8: really was absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 4: And your idea about throwing the little girl on the ground,
Speaker 4: that just worked.
Speaker 8: Like a jarp, you said, Shakespeare.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that was And that's what I mean
Speaker 3: by scare me evil.
Speaker 8: Hamlet scares people all right.
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, Beaner Bronco Bustard, where the
Speaker 2: hell improv?
Speaker 5: Wonderful? That is a triple alliterative improv. Don't hear those peop?
Speaker 2: Okay, we're all good, don't need to go, No, we're done.
Speaker 8: That was fantastic.
Speaker 5: Are okay?
Speaker 8: Moving on?
Speaker 5: We're in the bordel.
Speaker 3: That was the best acting I've ever seen in my
Speaker 3: whole life. Thank you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's well. DiCaprio is so good
Speaker 7: in that scene.
Speaker 1: And even when he's losing it and he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's saying I can't do it, and he tries to stop,
Speaker 1: and he kind of gets out of his chair and
Speaker 1: he kind of comes back and he's back, come on,
Speaker 1: he's refocused. He just does some things that are so
Speaker 1: beautifully dumb. It's he's a good yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean, look, he's a great actor.
Speaker 3: So but he does really nail that that feeling of
Speaker 3: insecurity and frustration. And and finally he you know, after
Speaker 3: in that scene when he's young, co star says that
Speaker 3: was the best actor you've ever seen, and she wanders off.
Speaker 3: He sits there for a moment, and for a moment
Speaker 3: you think he's being humbled, like he's really just found
Speaker 3: his craft again, and he's and then he goes, I'm
Speaker 3: reddon or something like. He brings it back to ego
Speaker 3: and that I was like, Wow, despite all that, you've
Speaker 3: still got a very healthier go under me.
Speaker 8: Maybe that was the time.
Speaker 1: What I feel really interesting about this film is, you know,
Speaker 1: compared to other Tarantino films, it was just it felt
Speaker 1: completely different to me. I'm sure that you felt the
Speaker 1: same way. The dialogue wasn't as whip smart and snappy
Speaker 1: as you know. This probably and this sounds like a
Speaker 1: criticism it's not because it's one of my favorite Tarantino films,
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not as quotable as as a
Speaker 1: pulp fiction, you know, or reservoir dogs.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's it just has its own pace. You're just
Speaker 1: swimming in it, and I don't know, I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's partly what I really liked about
Speaker 3: it too, because, like you know, often I go into
Speaker 3: Tarantino films with a slight apprehension because I know it's
Speaker 3: going to I kind of know what I'm going to
Speaker 3: get to us the you know, stylistically and that, and
Speaker 3: you know, I remember walking to Kill Bill, going, oh,
Speaker 3: here we go, gearing myself up to some gore and
Speaker 3: for that real you know, he's got to steal a
Speaker 3: ledge of tonally and it's great.
Speaker 8: It's like a thrill ride. But this was much more
Speaker 8: languid and much more.
Speaker 3: Had a much more gentle pace to it.
Speaker 8: And you know, he kind of you know that he
Speaker 8: split the.
Speaker 3: Main characters up, so they're kind of going on their
Speaker 3: own journeys too, and you sort of follow them for
Speaker 3: a while and.
Speaker 8: You go back to these you know, this guy doing this,
Speaker 8: and I.
Speaker 3: Kind of really like that as well, So I think
Speaker 3: it was a little bit of a departure from other
Speaker 3: stuff he's done.
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie when you make it, I thought she was
Speaker 1: just great. Forever impressed with what she's doing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean Margo's she's Yeah, She's was great as
Speaker 8: Sharon Tatee.
Speaker 3: And again just I think really captured that era and
Speaker 3: and the and the kind of the style of acting,
Speaker 3: and the and the the types of people who populated
Speaker 3: the industry back then, and the glamor and the kind
Speaker 3: of lifestyle and that. Like I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 3: she really It was kind of a small role in
Speaker 3: many ways, Like you know, you saw her a fair bit,
Speaker 3: but you know, she she wasn't instrumental in a lot
Speaker 3: of those scenes, but she's still a really strong presence.
Speaker 3: So I think she did amazingly well to give such
Speaker 3: a strong presence with a role that wasn't as big
Speaker 3: as some of the other roles in it.
Speaker 1: There was there was a question fired when they the
Speaker 1: world premiere was at the Calm Film Festival and a
Speaker 1: Jeremo asked both Quit and Margo Robbie about you know
Speaker 1: the fact that she wasn't in that much, and she
Speaker 1: had that much dialogue and and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it was a veiled criticism and and Tarantina kind of
Speaker 1: shut it down and said, I disagree with your you know,
Speaker 1: your your statement. But Margo answered that, you know, I
Speaker 1: think more eloquently, and we gave more time, and she said, no,
Speaker 1: she's she's there too. You know, she's like a lightness.
Speaker 1: You know, she's the light in this movie. And and
Speaker 1: also knowing what we know that happens, you absolutely need
Speaker 1: that and you want to see that this is this
Speaker 1: is like a somebody who's full of life, and we
Speaker 1: know it's gonna it's gonna get taken away. So I
Speaker 1: think it's really important that we saw that. And I
Speaker 1: think the character also kind of represents, you know, the
Speaker 1: ending of.
Speaker 5: An era.
Speaker 1: You know, this was you know, people say the man's
Speaker 1: that Manson family Killings was you know kind of ended,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: Kind of that kind of hippie kind of you know,
Speaker 5: free love kind of feeling.
Speaker 1: And even as far as within Hollywood, there was very
Speaker 1: much an open door policy, and that kind of after
Speaker 1: that doors got shut down, everyone was invited to all
Speaker 1: the narties and that kind of changed the way people
Speaker 1: kind of interacted and socialized, and so I think it's
Speaker 1: you need to see that, and I've got no problem
Speaker 1: with it not being through dialogue, been through you know,
Speaker 1: just seeing somebody in the in the prime of their life.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's I guess that's what I mean.
Speaker 3: I think I think she was still a real present
Speaker 3: presence in the film, and the fact that she knew
Speaker 3: that she was playing that iconic character of Sharon Tate
Speaker 3: and knowing, you know, the real true story of what
Speaker 3: happened to Sharon, she was her presence was.
Speaker 8: Was always there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I didn't really need much more
Speaker 3: dialogue in a way. I think she definitely had that presence,
Speaker 3: and I think Margaret did a great.
Speaker 8: Job of that. She's come a long way, come a
Speaker 8: long way since when she first appeared in Review many
Speaker 8: years ago.
Speaker 5: Oh is that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think before before Margot even did Neighbors and stuff,
Speaker 3: she had a small role in Review, one of the
Speaker 3: reviews that we did when we shot up with gold Cot.
Speaker 3: But yeah, now she's doing Taranturna Films and I'm just
Speaker 3: very happy for and.
Speaker 5: You're doing this podcast. Yes, Margot Robbie, the production was given.
Speaker 1: That's blessing by Sharon Tates sister deb and Margo times
Speaker 1: and and and she read that visited the set and
Speaker 1: actually even lent Margo some of Sharon Tate's jewelry to wear.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, let's let's go ahead to the to
Speaker 1: the end. I mentioned it earlier, like you get these
Speaker 1: time stamps. And after he comes back to middle he's
Speaker 1: got he's got his wife, and he tells Clift that,
Speaker 1: you know, we can't afford to keep him on and
Speaker 1: the relationship is going to have to or the the
Speaker 1: you know, the agreement the parts she has to end.
Speaker 1: And then we yeah, it feels like, okay, now the
Speaker 1: momentum is happening.
Speaker 8: What you make the end?
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I I was. I had to think about it.
Speaker 3: I had to think about it for a while because
Speaker 3: part of it was kind of I hesitate to say disappointed,
Speaker 3: but it was almost like I wanted I kind of
Speaker 3: wanted I almost wanted to see two alternative endings to
Speaker 3: the film, like, uh, kind of how it did play
Speaker 3: out and then and then versus how how how it
Speaker 3: was made in the film.
Speaker 8: But you know, on balance, I think that's part of
Speaker 8: the part of.
Speaker 3: The appeal of the movie is and what Tarantine I
Speaker 3: loves to do. You know, we've seen it before in
Speaker 3: Glorious Pastes, and is that he takes a well known
Speaker 3: historic story and characters and then puts a big what
Speaker 3: if what if it had turned out this way?
Speaker 8: And his interpretation of that and that was that's really cool.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's I think that's the big funest part
Speaker 3: of the film really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it says a lot about like
Speaker 1: the ego of actors in a way, and the way
Speaker 1: you know, some actors stand on the shoulders of others
Speaker 1: in that you know, he's stunt man, he's really the
Speaker 1: hero of the of that last moment, you know, and he,
Speaker 1: you know, Leonardo basically gets explain Thrower or Eric Dalton
Speaker 1: gets his explain thrower and thens ends that you know,
Speaker 1: you know, a woman who's probably probably about to die anyway.
Speaker 1: And then he you know, we see Clip gets taken
Speaker 1: off now unemployed, you know, wounded, and he gets to
Speaker 1: kind of you know, kind of take the glory and
Speaker 1: meet Sharon Tate and you know, who knows who plans
Speaker 1: his next movie.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a nice comment I think also on
Speaker 1: on that culture as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I mean I think that you just feel so sorry
Speaker 3: for Brad Pitt's characters.
Speaker 8: He's driven away in the ambulance and.
Speaker 3: Rick Dalton says you're you're a good friend, buddy, and
Speaker 3: he's just just waves and head off, and then you know,
Speaker 3: you just know Rick's.
Speaker 8: Going to go and take all the glory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's kind of a savage, a savage
Speaker 3: swap that we actually I'm sure has gone down many
Speaker 3: times over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the glory it's I did. I didn't laugh.
Speaker 1: I must say, let's talk about the violence. You're not
Speaker 1: necessarily your favorite thing. You mentioned going to these films
Speaker 1: a little bit apprehensive knowing that you're going to see
Speaker 1: some violent acts. There's so little violence before we get
Speaker 1: to the violence, and there there is.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was quite surprised.
Speaker 5: And then then it gets really fun.
Speaker 1: I didn't think that, you know, the entrance of texts
Speaker 1: uh Walton his name is, and the two girls from
Speaker 1: the ranch when they recognize and and and Cliff's tripping
Speaker 1: off the on on acids. It's I mean, I had
Speaker 1: some laughs, you know before before I got really gory.
Speaker 1: But the the the can of dog fruits and a
Speaker 1: face pretty It's pretty funny. Also, the line of we
Speaker 1: need to try and work out who he who he is,
Speaker 1: and he says, I on the.
Speaker 5: On the devil, and I'm here to do the devil's work,
Speaker 5: which is apparently is a line that was was the
Speaker 5: real text world news when he went into the house
Speaker 5: on the that faithful night. But Cliff replies, like, nah, nah,
Speaker 5: it was something. It was something more stupid than that.
Speaker 5: It wasn't that stupid. Uh, you are on.
Speaker 4: The devil and I'm here to do the devil's business.
Speaker 6: No, I was dumber and that Some likes children text.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I quite enjoyed that, but then they get really well.
Speaker 3: Yeah god, but yeah again. I think that's what Tarantino
Speaker 3: has really mastered, is using violence and the building the
Speaker 3: tension up to the violence, and even in those moments
Speaker 3: where you know it's about to get really savage, but.
Speaker 8: You know, you've still got Brad Pitt making a joke.
Speaker 3: You've still got this air of like you never quite
Speaker 3: know what's going to happen, and people are joking around,
Speaker 3: and he really walks that line so well, so you're
Speaker 3: kind of like nervous. I was, I was laughing too,
Speaker 3: Like nervously laughing.
Speaker 8: That's funny. Someone's about to die really graphically now, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: But he does it so well, and you can go
Speaker 1: from laughing at an active violence like the dog food
Speaker 1: can to the to the face. I thought that was
Speaker 1: it was funny, and the dog really going for Texas nuts,
Speaker 1: you know, like, but then the redhead girl really just
Speaker 1: the amount of times he pummels.
Speaker 5: That was as well, Okay, this is less funny.
Speaker 3: And I really had to watch, not really nervously laughing anymore, no.
Speaker 8: Wanting him to be over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the little bit of a bit of a fun fact.
Speaker 1: The hippie who leaves was based on a real woman
Speaker 1: who she didn't believe.
Speaker 5: She didn't run away, but she stayed in the car.
Speaker 1: She was too nervous to go in, and she's just
Speaker 1: geared to go in and so kind of nervous to leave,
Speaker 1: so she stayed in the car. But that actress is
Speaker 1: Mayle Hawk, who is the the daughter of Ethan Hook
Speaker 1: and in the Thurman all right.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, one thing I was slightly disappointed about
Speaker 3: was not seeing more of Charles Manson, which of course
Speaker 3: was Damon Harryman. Yes, and you know, just knowing Damon,
Speaker 3: and when I did see him was a real thrill.
Speaker 8: I was like, oh gool. And then unfortunately it didn't
Speaker 8: really appear again, and so I was a little bit like, ah, yeah,
Speaker 8: because we've seen him again.
Speaker 5: But when I heard that he being cast, I was
Speaker 5: so excited.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us, you know Damon, know
Speaker 1: how good he is and what a great guy he is,
Speaker 1: and so everyone's genuinely excited. And it's still an excited
Speaker 1: he's in a Quentin Tarantino movie. But you know, we're
Speaker 1: just hearing what the movie is about. Okay, it's about
Speaker 1: the Manson murders. He's playing Charles Manson, He's We're going
Speaker 1: to see a bit of a bit of Harriman. And
Speaker 1: the screen time and it's obviously not as much as
Speaker 1: as you thought was interesting. He played Charles Manson twice
Speaker 1: in that In that year, he played or So in the.
Speaker 8: In mind mind Hunt, mind Hunter, yeah, Mine Hunter, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 8: but he gets a lot more screen time in that. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and he's amazing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Hey, that little fun fact.
Speaker 5: The Playboy Mansion scenes are shot at the Playboy Mansion.
Speaker 3: Okay, what about ol Coyote? The I think they must
Speaker 3: have shot at the real El Coyote. When I first
Speaker 3: one of the first times I went to La we
Speaker 3: went to El Coote because the next day we were
Speaker 3: so we were over in the state's filming review.
Speaker 8: This back in two thousand and nine or ten, and I.
Speaker 3: Remember going to El Coyote and we're having margaritas and
Speaker 3: stuff and talking about, you know, this is the place
Speaker 3: where Sharon Tate and her friends had their last meal.
Speaker 3: And I just remember the next day. We were driving
Speaker 3: to Mexico the next day to do some tuning down there,
Speaker 3: and the Americans that were with were like telling us
Speaker 3: not to go. They like begging us going. You're like,
Speaker 3: because at the time, there was these gang wars happening
Speaker 3: in Mexico and every day there was like just bodies
Speaker 3: being found on the streets and stuff, and we were
Speaker 3: about to go down there and shoot some scenes, and
Speaker 3: everyone just saying, you should not go to Mexico. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you're going to survive the trip. And
Speaker 3: there was just something about something sort of eerie about
Speaker 3: being an El Cody, knowing its history and having drinks
Speaker 3: with these people telling us that you know, this, this
Speaker 3: bad thing is probably going to happen to you.
Speaker 8: I don't know. That really hit me when I saw
Speaker 8: it in the film.
Speaker 3: I just was transported right back there into those seedy
Speaker 3: little booths.
Speaker 8: And then that restaurant.
Speaker 5: Did you get out of Mexico in life?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Fine, excell I know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: Hey, another fun fact. We love our fun facts here.
Speaker 1: It's Hay in one of the films that he makes.
Speaker 1: We got when he goes over there, it says it's
Speaker 1: directed by and Tony Margabta, which was the alias one
Speaker 1: of them users in Inglorious Bastards when they came out
Speaker 1: right and yeah, because they pretend they're like the tamed
Speaker 1: film directors and one of them is and Toni Magati. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's that one. And also Squeaky played by who
Speaker 1: plays Squeaky the code fanning She would go on to
Speaker 1: attempt and assassination on us President Gerald Ford. Wow they're
Speaker 1: fun Dutch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're really See. That was the real time,
Speaker 3: wasn't it. That That was sort of the end of
Speaker 3: when was it said?
Speaker 8: What year? Wasn't setting sixty nine?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So it's a real transition period, wasn't it.
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Around that time. It's so turbulent, wasn't it Like just
Speaker 3: what was going on Vietnam War and assassination attempt some assassinations.
Speaker 3: It was kind of like that was the world that
Speaker 3: you lived in.
Speaker 8: It was like.
Speaker 3: Probably even even through the seventies and into the early eighties,
Speaker 3: you know as well. I mean John Lennon was assassinated
Speaker 3: when was it early eighties.
Speaker 8: Eighty eight eighties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like that was an accepted thing that
Speaker 3: could happen.
Speaker 8: I mean, you've been pretty shocked now.
Speaker 3: I would think if someone was, you know, if a
Speaker 3: political figure or someone was assassinated now in America, I mean,
Speaker 3: it would be kind of can't really imagine happening anymore.
Speaker 1: No, And that's saying something considering the craziness of these
Speaker 1: US politics at the moment. One other point I wanted
Speaker 1: to make about the film is I really quite enjoyed
Speaker 1: that they didn't have sex as a focus. I imagine
Speaker 1: it would have been really easy, you know, to have
Speaker 1: to include that in this a movie about a Hollywood
Speaker 1: actor and his thumman buddy, to have them, you know,
Speaker 1: chasing skirts as a way to you know, show them
Speaker 1: on the tear and how close they were.
Speaker 5: But it was I really enjoyed the fact that it
Speaker 5: wasn't a focus of.
Speaker 8: The film about that. Yeah, me too, me too, I mean,
Speaker 8: I yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: I mean whether we whether or not, you know, bad
Speaker 3: Picture's character killed his wife in the past or not.
Speaker 8: I'm kind of I'm kind of glad we didn't go down.
Speaker 3: The total rat bag route of, you know, seeing these
Speaker 3: two guys who are actually essentially pretty bad dudes doing
Speaker 3: nasty things.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so I'm glad he was relieved about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah he didn't take up put his offer in the.
Speaker 3: Car, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well, another quick the first assembly of the
Speaker 1: film was four hours and twenty minutes, so I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if Tarantino has released the obviously there were quite
Speaker 1: a few.
Speaker 5: Scenes, imagine we haven't seen. I'm not sure if they're available.
Speaker 3: Maybe he'll put it on into his at his little cinema.
Speaker 3: He's got a cinema on Beverly Buleivard.
Speaker 8: I think he's got it.
Speaker 3: He's got his own little cinema. That's this little cinema
Speaker 3: that he he he owns, and who knows that that
Speaker 3: could certainly end up in there. That'd be that'd be
Speaker 3: a treat. Yeah, four hours, four hours, twenty minutes.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you said you didn't want it to end
Speaker 5: when it did.
Speaker 8: But possibly four hours into it might watch.
Speaker 3: But now I was there, I was totally yeah, I
Speaker 3: was yeah, I just thoroughly enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: And I was just.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, I love films too, where it
Speaker 3: just you just sort of go along. It's just a
Speaker 3: cool tale, like it's a little tail you never coin.
Speaker 3: And it was one of those films where, well, it
Speaker 3: wasn't predictable.
Speaker 8: You know, you didn't know what you were going to get.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know what the focus was going to
Speaker 3: be of the film, because, like you say, it was
Speaker 3: talked about in the press about being you know, the
Speaker 3: Sharon murders and Charles Manson and stuff and so. But
Speaker 3: one of the things I liked about it was a
Speaker 3: bit it was kind of the the.
Speaker 5: It was. It was.
Speaker 8: It was a story about that, but told from a
Speaker 8: different perspective and an alternative version of it. So, yes,
Speaker 8: that was really cool.
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really glad you enjoyed the film, because
Speaker 1: it is it is quite a divisive film. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of Tarantino fans who don't get this film and
Speaker 1: I do feel like it does help to have a
Speaker 1: real love of movies and how they're made and the
Speaker 1: work that goes into them. And you know, Hollywood, I
Speaker 1: feel like if you're a bit apathetic towards those things,
Speaker 1: then this film could be you know, it could film
Speaker 1: a bit too aimless for you. And I know my
Speaker 1: Bridge did not necessarily take this film at all. She
Speaker 1: just you know, she wanted more stuff to happen. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad for you that you do enjoy it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was also you know, one of the
Speaker 3: things I really enjoy about watching great movies too, is
Speaker 3: is just watching.
Speaker 8: Great people at work.
Speaker 3: You know, you're watching these great performers, Like you know,
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed just watching Leonardo's performance, or watching Margot
Speaker 3: or watching Brad you know, do their thing, and like
Speaker 3: so for me often and when I'm watching a scene
Speaker 3: that can be enough, it's just like, wow, that was
Speaker 3: really great what they just did there.
Speaker 5: That is that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: I mean to watch these two actors who you know,
Speaker 1: both started as kind of pin up boys and we
Speaker 1: were really sure, like took us a few films to
Speaker 1: come and maybe be convinced that are these guys can
Speaker 1: actually act.
Speaker 5: I mean Lenard DiCaprio. His first performance was you know.
Speaker 1: What's d in Gilbert Grape and he was fantastic in that,
Speaker 1: so I think he was, you know, great respect.
Speaker 5: That was he was younger man.
Speaker 1: And then he went through the Titan stages and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe something will fell off the the Caprio bandwagon. Brad
Speaker 1: Pitt just looks like Brad Pitt, so he had to
Speaker 1: work harder and convincing, convincing people and clean.
Speaker 5: My friend James Brasher.
Speaker 1: And there's a line where, you know, Bruce Lee says
Speaker 1: to him, you you're too You're too good looking for you.
Speaker 5: Aren't you too pretty to be a stunt man? And
Speaker 5: he said, there, that's what they say.
Speaker 1: That was a life and Bert Reynolds, Bert Reynolds was
Speaker 1: going to play George Spahn before before he died and
Speaker 1: then so Bruce Dern took the role. But Burt Reynolds,
Speaker 1: they said that the Tarantino when he said when he
Speaker 1: was told that Brad Pitt was going to be playing
Speaker 1: a stunt man, because Brad pan apparently doesn't like in
Speaker 1: films people pointing out his looks. He's got He's right
Speaker 1: quite a verse of that. But because it was a Bert,
Speaker 1: it came from Burt Reynolds, he allowed this to happen.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: It is great to see two great actors and surrounded
Speaker 1: by also great performance as late said Margo, Robbie and
Speaker 1: and others. What did you make actually the start? I
Speaker 1: haven't heard an explanation as to why he did it,
Speaker 1: but he puts me the casting lean out of the
Speaker 1: caprio and Brad Pitt, I'm sure have you noticed that
Speaker 1: over the wrong actor? So Brad Pitt, he's over lean
Speaker 1: out of the caprio and.
Speaker 8: I didn't notice that. I remember that.
Speaker 5: It's it's a it's a quirky little thing, you know.
Speaker 1: Huh, And you think that, you know, there's nothing story
Speaker 1: wise that you know in effects, you know, it's the
Speaker 1: credit sequence.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's a choice that Tarantino has made.
Speaker 3: And it sounds like it sounds like the film was
Speaker 3: mastered and printed and someone's gone, actually there is a
Speaker 3: tipeoat here.
Speaker 8: And they've gone, you know what, Can you be bothered
Speaker 8: changing it? Because I can't. I want to get home.
Speaker 3: He's just gone just play it as people know where
Speaker 3: they are, don't.
Speaker 1: My easiness, Thank you, so much for doing my podcast
Speaker 1: and they obviously pet Rockbottom but that's great. We'll be
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Speaker 1: in a couple of months time, in around about May
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 5: And yeah, mate, thanks for checking this out for us.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me mate, it was really fun see
Speaker 3: you on set.
Speaker 5: See you on set. That was fun catching O my
Speaker 5: great mate Phil Lloyd.
Speaker 1: He is such a love big bloke and a great
Speaker 1: mate and such a great talent. His ability to many
Speaker 1: appear in acting shows, but to write and to produce
Speaker 1: them is quite incredible. He's one of the true good
Speaker 1: guys of the Australian TV landscape and I was thrilled
Speaker 1: that he enjoyed Once upon a Time in Hollywood because,
Speaker 1: like I said, this film does it's a bit divisive.
Speaker 1: Some people just don't get it, but I'm glad he did.
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Speaker 1: because we are in a short sharp lockdown a third
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Speaker 1: Like I said, hopefully its shortened sharp and by the
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Speaker 1: Vida Collione being the only character to win two Oscars
Speaker 1: is incorrect. It was correct until the last Oscars twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: and then Luke was kind enough he says, I'll give
Speaker 1: you a gap here if you want to try and
Speaker 1: guess who the other character is it is, and then
Speaker 1: leaves a massive space and if you want to guess
Speaker 1: now you can the answer is the Joker. He led
Speaker 1: to one Best Supporting Actor in two thousand and nine
Speaker 1: for The Dark Knight and Joaquin Phoenix won Best Actor
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen for Joker. This might make a good
Speaker 1: fact for when you have an episode in the Dark Knight.
Speaker 1: Can't wait for that podcast. We will be doing The
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Speaker 1: And that is a fact that has changed twenty nineteen
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Speaker 1: We're going we look at a Ossie classic that has
Speaker 1: been It was lost for many years and resurface only
Speaker 1: about fifteen twelve fifteen years ago and it is possibly
Speaker 1: the greatest strainth film ever made. It is Wake in
Speaker 1: Fright Staring well as an Australian Royalty Jack Thompson Chips Rafferity,
Speaker 1: John Mallon and others, and we will look at Matt
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Speaker 1: for over twenty years and one of the great comedians
Speaker 1: of all time across the whole world. Mister Ross Noble
Speaker 1: will be chatting Wake in Fright next week on you
Speaker 1: Ain't seen Nothing yet. I cannot wait to have that
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Speaker 1: we're looking at the movie from nineteen seventy one, So
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