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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers. Now.

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Speaker 2: I wish there was a parenting expert out there who

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Speaker 2: had an answer for every single challenge for every single

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Speaker 3: I was about to say, if they did, it would

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Speaker 3: mean that all of our kids were cookie cutters.

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Speaker 2: That's all we want.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum

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Speaker 1: and dad.

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Speaker 2: I really don't know if we should start today's podcasts

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Speaker 2: Missus Happy Families with this story, but let's do it discreetly.

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Speaker 2: And I can't believe that so we've forgotten. We're so

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Speaker 2: used to the girls all being at school, or being

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Speaker 2: what day was it, I think it was Tuesday. I

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Speaker 2: was working from home. There were some renovations going onto

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Speaker 2: working from home.

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Speaker 4: I don't call it work.

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Speaker 2: Well, you'd come home, and so we decided to have

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Speaker 2: some some daytime cuddles. That's discreet, doesn't it. We decided

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Speaker 2: that we're going to have some daytime cuddles because there

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Speaker 2: was nobody home and I was at home and you

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Speaker 2: of having those daytime cuddles when we heard a noise

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Speaker 2: a child walking into our bedroom. Fortunately, fortunately we had

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Speaker 2: we had some blankets. Your twelve daughter doing her second

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Speaker 2: for lunch per four minutes. She al only came home

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Speaker 2: before a minute, just wanted to pop in and say hi.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to surprise us. Surprise. It was quite a surprise,

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Speaker 4: I think everyone.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our Friday episode of the Happy Families podcast.

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Speaker 2: This is where we call we call it I'll do

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Speaker 2: better Tomorrow. The idea of I'll do but it tomorrow

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Speaker 2: is we get to talk about the things that we

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Speaker 2: learned this week about parenting, how we can be better parents,

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Speaker 2: the mistakes that we've made. I mean, there's there's an

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Speaker 2: entire episode just in that story, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: we should touch that. I think we just need to

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Speaker 2: let that one go. Now that you've decided that women,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, who would have thought that you needed

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Speaker 2: a lot in the middle of the day.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, Yes, we digress.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's let's do this. Do you want to

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Speaker 2: go first on me? You go, okay, really sure? One?

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Speaker 2: I think maybe earlier this week, and this happened a

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Speaker 2: if I've got an answer for this. Every now and again,

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Speaker 2: somebody will ask me a parenting question and I look

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Speaker 2: there's an answer. Like, sometimes parenting is just hard. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: you're dealing with a child who is struggling or is obstinate,

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Speaker 2: or like, sometimes you've just got to do the unwanted,

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Speaker 2: the unwelcome. Is it ideal?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Is it what we're aiming for?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Is there something more aspirational that we could be seeking for? Yes?

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Speaker 2: But some days case in point, doctor Shfai, she was

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Speaker 2: of her event we did a Q and A and

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Speaker 2: both Shefai and I took questions from the audience and

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Speaker 2: people and say, that's kids, that's life. Of course, it's hard.

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Speaker 2: There isn't an answer. You just have to deal with it.

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Speaker 2: A couple of times I had answers that she hadn't

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Speaker 4: But we can still do that with a kind heart.

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Speaker 3: Of course, still do that with soft eyes.

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Speaker 4: We can still do that while we're turning towards our children.

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Speaker 2: Sure, and I will say that I did that, but

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Speaker 2: it still felt horrible. It was a simple example. One morning,

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Speaker 2: I literally we had time pressures galore, and I literally

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Speaker 2: We had to get to school, and I feel so

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. Even as the parenting answert who

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Speaker 3: Inner struggle, because in spite of everything that we know

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not that it's a desire for compliance like

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Speaker 3: That's right, But that's what I'm saying. So as parents,

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Speaker 3: because it's actually happening to us as they as they

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Speaker 2: Sure, but the child still has to get out the

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Speaker 2: I've got this ideal way of doing things, this ideal

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Speaker 2: I don't get to give you a choice on this one.

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Speaker 2: She's reading and playing with Lego, she's doing she's doing

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Speaker 2: So my i'd do better tomorrow is I need to

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Speaker 2: because when I do all of the perfect stuff, all

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Speaker 2: it left me feeling horrible, And yet I know that

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Speaker 2: I did it gently. I know I did it kindly.

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Speaker 2: It's bugged me all week, and I'm sharing it because

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Speaker 2: it's real. Right, that's pairing, And no matter how many

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that everyone can relate to that experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I wish there was a parenting expert

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Speaker 3: I was about to say, if they did, it would

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Speaker 3: mean that all of our kids were cookie cutters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, and that's not what we want. So what's

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Speaker 4: Look, I had a.

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Speaker 3: Few that I was thinking about sharing, but this is

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Speaker 2: Oh so much.

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Speaker 3: Sharing a room is definitely exacerbating the challenge. But one

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Speaker 3: I just thought, you know what, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: let you keep disrupting the family like this. You don't

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Speaker 3: deserve my help, and you can find your own way

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Speaker 3: to work. And I gave her ample time to make

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