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Speaker 1: And joining me in the studio right now is the

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Speaker 1: opposition leader Leothan Okiaro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to your Leah.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie or your wonderful listeners.

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Speaker 2: Oh how good were the Matilda's last night?

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Speaker 3: Very exciting?

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Speaker 2: Hearing is so good?

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Speaker 3: Dear quarter finals?

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Speaker 2: Well what do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that we should have a public holiday

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Speaker 1: if they make it to the Grand finals?

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 2: What's what's not to lose? Right?

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Speaker 4: I'm sure that business says that'd be saying no.

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Speaker 2: So exciting.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of good cheer though, and it invokes

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Speaker 4: that pride in all of us, even if you're not

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Speaker 4: a soccer fan or a particular sporting fan. It makes

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Speaker 4: you feel bloody proud to be Australian, it really does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like I was saying, my whole family was absolutely

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Speaker 1: into it last night, screaming at the television.

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Speaker 2: But then that's how we watched us.

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Speaker 4: You roll sorry for the neighbors and Katie's neighbors, just

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Speaker 4: like those houses have sold their vacant.

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Speaker 1: And Jacqueline while we're yelling moving along because there is

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Speaker 1: so much to cover off and it has been a

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Speaker 1: massive weekend with the Darwin Cup and also Garma over

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Speaker 1: the weekend now out at Gama, the Prime Minister and

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Speaker 1: plenty of other Aussie leaders attended and spoke about the voice,

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Speaker 1: but support for a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous voice has now

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Speaker 1: fallen below fifty percent in every state and is ahead

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Speaker 1: of the novosh in only two, with the referendum now

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Speaker 1: split heavily between age, education and state. That's according to

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Speaker 1: a news poll demographic analysis which was published by the

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Speaker 1: Australian newspaper. It shows the Yes case so far failing

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Speaker 1: to secure an absolute majority in any state. There's no

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Speaker 1: detail in that poll about the Northern Territory, but at

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Speaker 1: this stage the referendum based on current attitudes would fail

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Speaker 1: to meet both requirements.

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Speaker 2: Of a referendum.

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Speaker 1: So Leah, what do you make of this latest polling?

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you surprised by it?

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Speaker 3: I'm not surprised at all.

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Speaker 4: And this has been such a confusing debate around this referendum.

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Speaker 4: Labor have taken this to the people. They're the ones

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Speaker 4: who want to get it up, and yet they haven't

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Speaker 4: provided any detail. And right from day one I've been

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Speaker 4: saying people need more details. We want people to have

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Speaker 4: the information so they can make the best decision, and

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Speaker 4: of course if people don't know what it is, they

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Speaker 4: are very likely to vote no.

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Speaker 3: That's just the reality of the situation.

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Speaker 4: You know, we had a briefing with Senator MALANDERI McCarthy

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Speaker 4: months and months ago, and again she said at that

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Speaker 4: time that the detail will all be done after the referendum,

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Speaker 4: which people doesn't fly with people, And the Prime Minister

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Speaker 4: has now said the same thing, extending some sort of

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Speaker 4: you know, weak olive branch to the coalition saying, oh,

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Speaker 4: you guys can help design this. Well, it's all said

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Speaker 4: and done by then, and people want to note before

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Speaker 4: so that they can vote for exactly what it is

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Speaker 4: they're going to get, not for something that's going to

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Speaker 2: As you just mentioned.

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Speaker 1: We know that those political leaders, including the Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: they've said that they're sort of you know, I guess,

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Speaker 1: new political cooperation to design the body and dress indigenous disadvantage,

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Speaker 1: confirming that he would invite the Opposition leader Peter Dutton's input.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that goes far enough? Would it

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Speaker 2: be enough?

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Speaker 4: It's not because this is after the fact. So what

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Speaker 4: Labor is saying is no, no, trust does vote first,

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Speaker 4: then we'll work it out later. People don't operate in

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Speaker 1: Know, if people don't trust politicians, don't and you know, like, sorry,

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Speaker 1: you know, I know that you are one.

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Speaker 2: But people don't trust politicians.

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Speaker 3: So they want to know what they're going to get.

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Speaker 4: They want to know what they are going to get,

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Speaker 4: and then people can decide they're not going to accept

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Speaker 4: that detail reflects that. It certainly reflects the conversations I've

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Speaker 1: So is the CLP parliamentary wing any closer to deciding

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Speaker 1: if you will support the voice?

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Speaker 4: Well, we're just having a conscience vote on the issue obviously,

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Speaker 4: because we don't have to vote for it in parliament,

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Speaker 4: so it's not a party issue for us, it's.

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Speaker 3: An individual issue.

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Speaker 4: We'll have to go and vote on the election day

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Speaker 4: whenever Albo calls it.

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Speaker 3: And because I guess in a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of other states, you know, they have determined whether it's

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Speaker 1: They've decided whether they are or aren't supporting it. But

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Speaker 3: No, some have and some haven't.

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Speaker 4: And again this is a federal issue. We all get

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Speaker 4: one vote, and we've just been making sure we're calling

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Speaker 4: they haven't. And you know, ultimately, I think the fact

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Speaker 4: that Albernezi hasn't put a date on this tells me

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Speaker 1: But so, just to sort of pin you guys down

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Speaker 1: at this morning time, it doesn't sound like the COLP,

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Speaker 1: like the Parliamentary.

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Speaker 2: Wing, is going to determine yes or no, whether you.

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Speaker 1: Guys as a group, yes, are going to vot a

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Speaker 3: No, that's right.

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Speaker 4: We're just individuals in this because it doesn't come to

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Speaker 4: our parliament. We will all be seven people putting seven

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Speaker 4: calling for is greater information for our communities because we

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Speaker 4: they're voting for and that it just reflects Kater that

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Speaker 1: Is it at odds with the party, and particularly when

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Speaker 1: who is the Shadow Minister for Indigenous Affairs, who are

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Speaker 4: Because we're not in a yes camp or any camp.

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Speaker 4: This is not our campaign to run. We fully support

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Speaker 4: Senator Price and our party's position. This is just a

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Speaker 4: you know, it would be like voting in a federal

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Speaker 3: We would rock up at polling day.

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Speaker 2: And just put our spot and number in the spot

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Speaker 4: So certainly, at a territory level, we're really focused on

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Speaker 4: so that's our focus Equally a lot of people are

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Speaker 4: talking about the voice and we want people to have

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Speaker 4: more information.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, from what I can see here in the

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Speaker 1: to decide how they're going to vote and if a

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Speaker 1: of those issues that we see here on the ground now.

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Speaker 1: One of those is housing. Steve Edgington, the Member for Barkley,

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Speaker 1: raised some concerns about housing in Tenant Creek over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: to live. Are you worried about the housing situation? Well,

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Speaker 1: firstly in Tenant Crekt, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, Katie.

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Speaker 4: I've been out there with Steve Edgington, the local member

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Speaker 4: in corrugated iron. You can't even call it a shed.

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Speaker 4: Your backyard shed would be better than these houses. They

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Speaker 4: don't have floors, it's just dirt. The roof doesn't even

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Speaker 4: and you know that goes for right across the Berkley

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Speaker 4: it's a six to eight year wait list if you

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Speaker 4: it's really just an area that's been totally forgotten by

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Speaker 1: I mean. The thing is, though, it's not only a

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Speaker 1: We saw on Friday last week one project halted of

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Speaker 2: What did you make of that situation?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it certainly creates uncertainty and a lack of confidence

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Speaker 4: for there to be that business certainty, for there to

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Speaker 4: just like what Labour have done with our gas industry

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Speaker 3: And of course housing prices are through the route.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know it was a federal decision.

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Speaker 1: It's federal Labour's decision to halt that project, But if

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Speaker 1: you're in charge, would you have allowed that to happen.

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Speaker 4: Well, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

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Speaker 4: And I know I say that a lot, Katie, but

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Speaker 4: and on. In the meantime, the end result is that

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Speaker 4: we were going to have less houses for defense personnel

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Speaker 4: that we absolutely need in the territory. And it sends

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Speaker 4: a really strong message to investors not to come here.

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Speaker 1: How would you not be in the same situation, like,

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Speaker 1: how would you not be in a situation where consultation

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Speaker 1: has happened over a very long period of time. But

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Speaker 1: now you've got groups that have come out and said

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Speaker 1: that that's.

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Speaker 4: Not enough because you need to have the proper processes

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Speaker 4: to start with and the certainty. Now this government has

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Speaker 4: halted it at different times referred it to the federal government.

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Speaker 4: The federal government have gotten involved than the territory government

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Speaker 4: have gotten involved. It's just been an unbelievable mess, and

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Speaker 4: it seems that there's been no work being done by

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Speaker 4: the territory labor government to work with the stakeholders who

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Speaker 4: it just ends up in limbo, like so many things

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Speaker 4: in our economy, which is no wonder. You've got Deloitte

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Speaker 4: and Concept and everyone else saying we're going backwards.

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Speaker 2: Leah.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people will be wondering, well,

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Speaker 2: Have you got one?

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Speaker 4: Oh, Katie, we need more houses in the territory, There's

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Speaker 4: no question about it. We've still got loads to go,

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Speaker 4: I know this government is very focused on Holts and

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Speaker 4: that will remain to be seen because they put significant

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Speaker 4: it up, Katie. But if we don't have more housing

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Speaker 4: stock into the market, we can't keep prices reasonable and

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Speaker 4: we can't attract people to the territory. They just can't

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Speaker 1: So it's important what is the colp's plan with housing,

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Speaker 1: because it's not just about that housing like the private

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Speaker 1: which obviously is it consumed, but it is about boosting

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Speaker 1: those public housing numbers and your social and affordable housing.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and it's about getting the mix as well.

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Speaker 4: So we see government knocking down loads of flats at

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Speaker 4: the moment, which you know, sure is fine, but are

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Speaker 4: they moving? You know, where are people moving to? And

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Speaker 4: so it's about having that mix of social housing. It's

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Speaker 4: about putting those blocks aside gentrification of areas.

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Speaker 3: You know there are many.

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Speaker 4: I mean if you talk to any of my colleagues,

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Speaker 4: they would tell you in their electorates there's public housing

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Speaker 4: sitting there fixed ready to go and no one moving in,

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Speaker 4: So looking at that existing stock and saying, hang on

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Speaker 4: a second, why is government sitting on this existing stock

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Speaker 4: and not moving people into home?

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Speaker 1: So that's obviously part of it is looking at what's

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Speaker 1: already there, that existing stock. But has the COLP established

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Speaker 1: a housing plan yet? Because it sort of doesn't sound

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Speaker 1: like it. It sounds like you're talking about what they

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Speaker 1: should do differently, and that's a lot of the criticism

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Speaker 1: that we get of you and off the clps that

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Speaker 1: it's fine to throw stones, but they want to know

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Speaker 1: what you're going to do differently.

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Speaker 4: So you know, if you want to talk about a

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Speaker 4: specific housing policy, we'll announce that next year closer to

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Speaker 4: the election. If you want to talk about what we

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Speaker 4: would do in terms of land release, you know we've

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Speaker 4: got our Approval's Fast Tracked Task Force which will see

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Speaker 4: approval times half across government. The Territory Coordinator will have

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Speaker 4: essentially we won't have the backup, the backlog, the clog,

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Speaker 4: the red tape and burden that this government has because

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Speaker 4: we recognize things need to be done quicker, more efficient

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Speaker 4: and get people into the housing game.

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Speaker 1: And in terms of trying to get people into public housing,

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Speaker 1: you know, to minimize those weight lists.

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Speaker 2: What's the plan there? I mean, particularly when you look

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Speaker 4: Well, for example, in Tenant Creek, I mean the three

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Speaker 4: million dollars that government announced in twenty twenty for twelve

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Speaker 4: one bed facilities for nurses. If those nurses went into

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Speaker 4: this new accommodation for nursing staff, then that would free up,

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Speaker 4: you know, stuff in the private sector as well. So

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Speaker 4: when you build something for one purpose, it relieves pressure

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Speaker 4: in another area. But what we've seen from territory labor

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Speaker 4: is just continual promises to spend money and the money

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Speaker 1: Look, I think that housing it's going to be one

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Speaker 1: of those things like health that are issues that continue

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Speaker 2: We know that crime is one.

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Speaker 1: That continues to be a huge issue, and another busy

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Speaker 1: weekend unfortunately for police. Last week we spoke a lot

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Speaker 2: Dealing with knife crime.

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Speaker 1: So the Northern Territory Minister for Police, Kate Warden, said

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Speaker 1: terms of rolling out their training. The Acting Deputy Commissioner

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Speaker 1: Michael White conceded that there were some officers who hadn't

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Speaker 1: are you satisfied with the rollout of these changes? Do

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Speaker 1: you think the Northern Territory Police have everything that they need?

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Speaker 3: Ah?

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 4: And you know you couldn't trust this government as far

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Speaker 4: as you could throw them, Katie. I mean, the disdain

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Speaker 4: they seem to have for our police is palpable. Now

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Speaker 4: one to ninety seven percent of our police don't think

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Speaker 4: the territory labor governments support them. We've had some record

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Speaker 4: now we've got the Police Association saying they were, you know,

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Speaker 4: blindsided effectively by the Bow Review, by the wanding legislation,

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Speaker 4: by the raising the age. And what we know is

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Speaker 4: that all of these things are just a continuation of

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Speaker 4: this government putting the rights of offenders above the rights

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Speaker 4: continue to do going forward. So we're very concerned about

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Speaker 4: raising the age. We are against that, we would reverse

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Speaker 4: that if elected next year. And ultimately, Katie, fifty three

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Speaker 4: cases were dropped from court. When that happened last week,

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Speaker 4: let out of programs. It's just totally unbelievable that this

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Speaker 2: Leah.

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Speaker 1: One of the really serious concerns as well that were

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Speaker 2: Resources yet again.

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Speaker 1: Now we also learned that the terms of reference are

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Speaker 1: being worked upon and that that's got to get underway

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Speaker 1: before the end of the year. Is that soon enough

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Speaker 1: from your perspective, No, And we have been trying for

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Speaker 1: two or three years to get this police review happening.

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Speaker 1: I've tried to think seven times in Parliament now to

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Speaker 1: have a police review. Government have reluctantly come to the

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Speaker 3: But I was very concerned in estimates.

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Speaker 4: When asking the Police Minister, she was making it sound

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Speaker 4: whereas I think an independent person should be able to

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Speaker 4: a really thorough look. Because until we sort out police resourcing,

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Speaker 4: we can't go forward. It's a huge part of making

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Speaker 4: sure we've got a safest, stronger territory and driving down

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Speaker 1: It seems like we're in this really difficult situation at

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Speaker 1: things are really tough, and even with that later survey,

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Speaker 1: the People Matters survey, it is showing that there is still,

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Speaker 1: you know, really sort of a level of I guess

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Speaker 1: the Minister saying, you know, we're doing this. We're doing

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Speaker 2: So I just don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how we kind of continue on

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Speaker 4: Well, when you have a minister pretending that everything's okay

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Speaker 4: and a police force in crisis, I mean, who.

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Speaker 3: Do you believe?

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Speaker 4: I know who I believe, Katie, and it's our police.

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Speaker 4: I mean, fifty five percent completed that survey saying they

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Speaker 4: felt burnt out. Only sixteen percent felt that anything was

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Speaker 4: And of course we know that this government continues to

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Speaker 4: sorts of other things. It's just they're not focused on this, Katie,

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Speaker 4: because they care more about criminals than they do about

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Speaker 3: That's the reality.

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Speaker 1: Well, Lea Finocchio, the opposition leader, we are going to

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Speaker 1: have to leave it there. Thank you as always for

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Speaker 3: Take care everyone. Thank you,