WEBVTT - GET TO KNOW THE REAL SHARON & ANKUR! 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:05.120 TV Reload the podcast last week Theylight. Welcome back to 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.960 TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris, and on this 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.320 podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.720 in television. Each episode you will get a front row 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:19.880 seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors, and 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:23.240 casting agents, plus the talent that we see on our screens. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:27.040 TV Reload reloads the shows that you are currently watching 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.800 and gives you a better insight into our television industry 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.360 and our streaming services. Today on the podcast, I'm back 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.239 talking about The Block as I have two more of 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.600 the contestants from Channel nine's latest series. It is the 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.640 much talked about contestants, Sharon and Uncore. This year, the 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.520 Block took a tree change and we have seen more 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:52.280 drama than any other series before, with five houses situated 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.480 on ten acres of land and weather conditions harsher than 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.240 any season before. It's actually surprising that the contestants have 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:03.120 an all quick the competition. So is there any wonder 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.959 today we are talking to Sharon and Uncore about their 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.280 tumultuous time on the series. I don't think so. I 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.080 actually quite like them both, as I feel like they're 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:16.319 very real and make great reality TV contestants. We all 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.399 sit at home and say, oh, they're so ungrateful, but 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.039 we haven't been in their shoes, and no doubt we 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.800 would all throw a tantrum or two. From builders spats 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.360 to picking that big house. There's plenty to unpack and 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.160 we will do just that. So stick around and get 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.360 the goss from the horse's mouth, grab yourself a coffee, 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.240 and Block lovers please enjoy as we welcome Sharon and 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:40.760 Uncore to TV Reload. 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.360 It's the questions as a result of what's played out 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:45.280 on TV. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.240 Met Uncre and Sharon. It's not like us against the world, 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.320 but it can feel like that at times. This is 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.800 going to be the big question mark hanging over the 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:55.800 season of the Block. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.160 It's just hard because it's like, where do you stop 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:59.840 and where do you start with defending yourself. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.360 I listened to you, you didn't, Yes, you've done to 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.480 compoint you be honest, I want to say it. So 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:07.480 it was more like, let's do this, Let's get out 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.040 of our comfort zone. You know, there's a lot to 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.080 love here, but they've got to rethink the relationship between 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.480 all these elements the crux. 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:19.600 So it is like misunderstandings about expectation from the start. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.360 Hi, guys, how are you both going well? 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.640 How are you going really well? It's lovely to see you. 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:26.280 How are you? 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.040 I'm doing very well, And I'm going to start off 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.799 by saying congratulations on getting onto the block twenty twenty two. 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.120 I think this has been a massive ride for the 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:35.560 two of you. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.000 That's the absolute understatement. But yeah, it's the right of 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:43.160 our lives, I think right now. So, yeah, amazing experience. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.640 Amazing is the word for it, positive, negative, whatever, it 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.680 is all wrapped into one. But yeah, going. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.880 Well and the experience is continuing, hasn't ended yet. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.800 I need to ask how much therapy will you both 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.800 need after this series? 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:57.959 Yeah, so if we win any money, I think it's 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.000 all going towards the therapy. Probably. I don't know, I'm 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:02.200 gooing for my lifetime. 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:02.640 Probably. 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:02.799 No. 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:04.840 I feel like with you know, just in line with 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.400 what other contestants have said, probably for a little bit 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.120 of time. But it's day by day, isn't it. 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.720 Yeah, I think, and you come compartmentalize things and you're like, okay, 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.040 this is some reality TV part of it. This is 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.519 the real part of it, and just yeah, see where 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.840 that blurred line leads and how you sit with it 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:21.639 really because. 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.920 You're essentially reliving it as you're watching it now and 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.440 it's like not what you'll remember sometimes and then you're 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:29.440 like was that how that was? And it's just a 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:30.120 massive trip. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.880 As you would know, it's not a normal experience as well, 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.280 because you know, you guys all lived this a few 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.880 months ago and then having to watch it back. What 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.920 the rest of Australia doesn't understand is that is not normal. 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.600 It's not a normal experience at all, and no one 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:45.800 else could cope with it either. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.000 No, that's so it's a big pressure cooker and I think, 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:50.840 I mean, you go on National TV, so you're going 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.200 to invite opinions from every Tom Dick and Harwry basically, 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.720 So I mean it's as part of it you sort 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.720 of deal with it. But for us, it's been a 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.280 positive experience for our relationship if anything, Like we've definitely 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.680 grown from that point. So yeah, that's the biggest positive 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:05.440 I take out of it. 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.640 What's interesting is that people truly believe like that forty 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:10.520 five minutes or an hour whatever they see a couple 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.760 of times a week is all that happens in that 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.760 whole day, and they hold you to account for every 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.080 single word you use, and if you actually think about it, 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.640 obviously we're real people. People say a lot of things 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.360 in the course of a day, and you know they 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.520 can't put everything in an hour episode. So it's an 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.880 interesting one because like you feel like you kind of 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:29.160 like cop it. 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.680 Yeah, I'm a reality TV fan from the well, some 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.560 of my opinions are go on in my head. They 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.799 have been terrible, and now I'm like what I stand 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:38.839 on the other. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:39.400 Side of it. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.440 Isn't it amazing what people can read into as well? 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.279 Just the smallest look, the smallest thing you might say, 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.040 the inflection, and then all of a sudden, it's about 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.880 three blog posts deep in what they believe they know 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.520 about you. It's crazy, yes, and then. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.839 News articles as well, So I mean you you know, 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.560 you know they'd be like, you're resting, bitch face, just 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.799 cut into something else, like where you totally didn't react 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:04.800 that way. People are like, oh my god, look at her. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.039 This is what she thinks about them. And it's just 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:08.839 hard because it's like where do you stop and where 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.160 do you start? With defending yourself, do you bother? Do 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.480 you care? It's all of those kind of thoughts as 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.159 you go through the journey. Its obviously the people that 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:16.840 love you and know you, they know who you are. 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.599 The problem is is if people form an opinion about you, 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.039 they tend to look for evidence to support that opinion 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.240 and that narrative the whole way through, and it's like, 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.240 can't win them over. And I think the whole thing 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.000 is is you can't please everyone. And if you're someone 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.440 that's used to being liked and being received, well generally 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.760 this is a massive shock, like because you're like, oh 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.560 my god, you're questioning myself. Am I a shit person? 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:38.240 Like? 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.680 Is that normal? Is that not normal? But we definitely 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:47.560 just like wear ourselves absolutely under intense, intense pressure. It's 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.640 a pressure coo because for sure we absolutely were, but 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.839 we didn't play the game per se and like hiding 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.320 and unswitching off the microphone and you know, you forget 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.120 that the cameras are there. But it's also like, well, 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:59.080 that's real life. If you've got to talk about something 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:00.800 or whatever happened in the day, eventing, that is a 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:01.880 natural part of life. 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.800 Yeah, what's interesting is like if you go through someone's bone, 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.520 like if you go through your partner's phone. I always 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.039 say to people, you're going to find what you want 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.040 to find, you know. Reality TV is like that. 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.000 Yeah, absolutely, I mean and yeah that's what people do. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.880 You get an echo chambers and you support those thoughts. Yeah. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.120 And the other thing is is like what you forget 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.400 and I forget it too, is just like people they 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.200 get you and the people that are kind of like 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.640 decent and kind of can see through and go, oh, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.640 that's just entertainment, that's throung whatever. They're not going to 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.440 go to the effort all the time. I do get 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.560 heaps of positive stuff too, but like to tell you 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.200 that it's generally the people that are those negos that 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.039 want to like pick, they're the ones who go to 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.800 the effort and writing and finding you and finding your 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.120 family and just telling you how crappy of the person 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.000 you are. But that's kind of like the minority because 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.960 everyone else is busy enjoying their lives and being happy people, 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.000 so they're not going to be contacting you. Let you know. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.080 We'll get more into it though. But Sharon, you know 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.680 you've been in a pretty exciting profession being an actress 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.960 and being on shows like Neighbors and playing different roles, 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.159 How does this compare being in front of a camera 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:00.320 and such a different way. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.960 Well, I really should have continued playing the role coming 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.360 into this show, but I did not because I was like, 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.039 it's reality. You want reality, let's you know, be real. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:09.840 And I thought that this show was going to be 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.680 basically We're going to just be building and renovating the 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.160 whole way through. I didn't really understand the TV production 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.480 aspect of it, and I didn't handle that well at all. 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.320 But it's a completely different thing. So you know, some 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.440 people will say, like, what how do you feel about 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.880 the switch from scripted to reality? Like there was no 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:26.360 deliberate switch or anything. 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.600 Well, the question I have for your showon is does 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.240 being an actress help in a format like the block? 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.080 Are there any times where you can use those skills 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.920 in a capacity to help yourself in a show like this. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.040 I suppose some actors would definitely do that if they 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.720 wanted to invoke sympathy or if they wanted to like 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.120 make out that they're not bothered by something. I definitely 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.520 didn't have that restraint, and I definitely didn't play anything 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.440 I did, you know, like people sometimes I did cry 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.760 a lot, obviously, but they were real tears and I 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.040 really went through those emotions. I think I don't think 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.320 necessarily it helps you being an actor in the sense 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.160 of like you're connected to your emotions like quite highly, 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.200 and you say how you feel and all that. It's 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.520 not necessarily always received well. Like I think generally a 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.520 lot of people hold back with what they feel and 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.840 what they say, whereas I'm just it's at the forefront 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.680 and I'm vulnerable all the time and that can come across, 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.240 I suppose as being a winder on this show. So yeah, 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.320 I don't think it helped per se. I wish it did. 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:21.560 Though. 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.400 Do the fact that you were a recognizable name help 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.360 you get cast? I mean, actually, the better question to 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.000 ask you is how did the block happen for the 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:29.440 two of you? 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.800 Yeah, so a couple. I think it was just straight 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.720 after COVID time, wasn't it. We watched the block like 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.600 everybody else. To be honest, we weren't massive blockheads. We 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.439 didn't watch it all it's fun because. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.000 We found it really stressful to watch and I was like, 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.160 there's no way they're building this stuff like that. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.640 As already inducing whatever, but we watched it during COVID 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.960 time and then we're like, that looks like a really 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.160 fun thing to do and also to learn, like it 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.559 could be a master class in learning how to renovate. 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.000 And we are passionate about design and all that, but 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.120 we've never really had the opportunity to do it. So 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:02.080 on a whim we just. 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.320 Like applied yeah, and through COVID, I think your busted 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.560 out of that and said let's do something like crazy 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.080 that we wouldn't do before, like because tomorrow is not promised. 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.680 Sounds cliche, but I think COVID showed us that, so 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:14.640 it was more like, let's do this, let's get out 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:15.480 of our comfort zone. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.400 And I think there was a bit of a push 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.160 from Channel nine et cetera to push for a bit 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.400 of diversity and look for that. So I think not 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.400 necessarily that was recognizable, but probably because I was from 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.079 a diverse background that might have helped and for us 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.160 as well, like one of our objectives was really like 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.600 to open this whole media space up like I've done before, 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.920 to our communities and being positive. You have some positive 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.760 role in Australian media where it hasn't necessarily been that way, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:43.960 so it kind of like worked both ways. But then 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:45.760 we didn't really think we were going to get on, 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:47.960 and then it happened, and then it just snowballed, and 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:49.720 then we were on, and now we heard. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.880 It happened so quickly, I was like, what, I just 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.480 started a new job. What am I going to say? 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:53.920 Yeah? 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.560 I remember when I met you, you said this show 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.960 has actually brought you both closer together. Why do you 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:02.840 think that has been the case? 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.400 I think you just have to rely on what you know, right, 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.360 and you've got each other, and it's like the stability 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.000 that you need on the Block because nothing else is stable, right, 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.280 it was just mayhem going around, so it was just Yeah, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.640 we had to rely on each other through everything. So 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.079 it's not like us against the world, but it can 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.680 feel like that at times. So I think when you've 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.199 only got that support, it's only going to grow that bond. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.080 Essentially, it's like we went into isolation again for three months. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.600 You know, you don't have access that they take your phone, 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.640 so you have the block phone, but you don't really 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.720 talk to your friends like you would. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.760 You don't have that like time. 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.000 Yeah, and you don't have time as well, so you 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.800 just literally got each other. But we've been together for 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.559 like fifteen years, so I didn't think we could get closer. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.400 I didn't think that that could happen, but I feel 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:49.920 like we did. 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.120 Yeah, for sure. And that was from Keith. Actually he 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.839 goes mate if anything, the only people you can rely 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.360 on in the places yourself. So just make sure you've 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.440 you've got that down pattern you you should navigate it, Okay. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.720 I will say I'm really proud of Bunks, Like I 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.360 haven't really seen it much on mainstream television before, where 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.120 you know, the husband is so openly supportive and sensitive 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.959 and vulnerable when it comes to speaking about how they 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.440 feel and supporting me. And that's been a lot of 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.280 the feedback we've been getting back is like you know, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.080 they were made in appearance like the Melbourne Show, and 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.400 like so many people and women are like I'm raising 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.760 two boys and it was so great. It's so great 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.080 to see how he is and how he is with 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.120 you guys, and it's just so supportive. And I think 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.319 that's a great role model to especially in that particular industry. 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.319 Absolutely. I mean there's a lot that goes into producing 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.839 a show like this. Do you think that you've learnt 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:38.880 a lot about yourself watching this back? 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.320 I mean, yeah, I just look at myself and go, 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:45.320 how naive is this bloke? Like you're just like walking 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.760 around pretty stunned most of the time. But I think 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.120 my biggest learning for myself is I used to put 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.160 barriers up in my brain and like what I could 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.720 achieve and how hard I could work. And I think 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.480 this just forced me into a completely different realm of 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.400 accepting just letting life come at me instead of worrying 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.199 about the outcome and where you're going and that anxiety 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.600 inducing part of it. Now I'm like, yes, taking my stride. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.400 The amount of awkward conversations I've had on this show 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.599 is ridiculous, Like it's just a daily occurrence. 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.120 So Fanks never never really liked or dealt with front 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.520 confrontation very well, like before this, and we kind of 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.160 and I'd always kind of be the personality had to 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.360 like do that, but now we have found that it's 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.720 turned the opposite way around. So Alex come out super 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.400 resilient and I'm a little bit like I was taking 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.160 a bit of a step back, But I personally have 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.839 learned a lot about myself, just the way I can 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.319 be really hard of myself, Like I could be really 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.960 hard on myself, and I can see the negative self 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.040 talk of like, you're so crap at this, you don't 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.520 know what you're doing, and I put so much pressure 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.040 on myself. I'm like, God to make the right choice. 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:48.960 If I don't. And when we don't do well in 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.840 judging and stuff, it's like, oh my god, this is 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.640 so embarrassing and humiliating answers like what did you expect? 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.480 Like we're the ones with no experience. Did you think 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.040 you were going to win every I'm like no, but 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:59.840 I didn't want to come dead last and have you 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.280 know this kind of negative feedback on whenever. So I 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.360 learned to obviously be kinder to myself and obviously, like 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.920 we all have regrets, and there's I think I shoot, 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:13.200 I tried to like be I suppose not thorough, but like, yeah, 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.160 compassionate and empathetic in the way that I do things 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.920 and speak. But I definitely feel like I could learn 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.520 from taking a step back and just listening more and 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:23.920 not just shooting from the hip. 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.480 Out of everyone that's on the show this year, people 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.600 are talking about you guys the most, and before the 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.400 season even started, I heard that you were the best 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.959 casting out of the season. You know, is that interesting 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.920 for people for you to hear that about yourself considering 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:38.800 that there's been so much talk about you both. 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.560 Yeah, it's an interesting one. Like I didn't have a 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.199 producer hat on or whatever or like you know, network 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:46.800 cut on. When I kind of came into I was like, 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.320 we just want to build a house together. But I 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.080 can see why, Like, you know, I spoke to one 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.360 of the higher upset Channel nine with the upfronts and 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.480 they were like, you know, viewership is up thirty percent 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.120 and a lot of it's distributed to you guys, And 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.480 for me meant to I kind of go, yeah, but 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.559 like at what expense, because like, nobody wants to hear 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.320 anything negative about them. But I have to change my 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.600 mindset in like what the conversations are about the fact 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.320 that we've got people talking about both sides like and 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.400 saying like this and that and what about this and 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.360 wanting to see how we go. And there are definitely 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.160 people cheering us on and people realizing that we're real 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.760 human beings or which we always were. It's been an 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.960 interesting journey to kind of see and like, I don't know, 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.040 it's an awkward thing because it's like I don't like 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:34.240 seeing anything negative about myself. But then people will be like, oh, 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.840 where any publicity is good publicity, and the fact that 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.160 you guys about they've given it. It goes great. But 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.120 literally every day waking up to some news article about 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.480 us from the episode, I'm like, biggest shit happened in 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.680 that episode? Then what happened with us? But I suppose 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.040 it's clickbait and people are interested, and. 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.760 I just find it surreal. I'm like, what what now? 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.000 What did I say? I don't even remember saying that. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:55.680 Yeah. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.600 Yeah, there's a lot of cringing moments. But I mean, look, 0:14:58.600 --> 0:14:59.000 we've been. 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.200 Told we brought We've brought lot to the show, and 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.240 I will definitely be memorable, that's for sure. 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:08.000 Well, the executive producer Jules said Sharon that you are 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.920 probably one of the best contestants in the history of 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:11.440 the Bloc. 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:16.000 Yeah. Obviously, as a as a producer, you want the 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.000 contestants to be like every decision is like the end 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.120 of the world if it gets goes wrong. Like that 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.440 perspective can get taken away pretty quickly and some of 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.320 the conversations having with Chazzi, she literally thought the world 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.800 would end if like that color was wrong, that was happening, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.200 this was happening. So she was in that mindset, and 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:37.560 I think that's what shows like reactive emotional, like all 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:38.360 of those things. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.720 You want real people to have real responses, you want 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.280 real meltdowns, and you know, I think there's been a 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.120 fair share of people complaining about your complaining. Has that 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:48.480 irony been lost on you? 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.560 I totally agree with, Like, I don't know, it's just 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.880 like bending complain, and I think they just people just 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.040 want you to. There's some real Australian mentality of something 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.040 you just suck it up and just what do they 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.680 say full of cement or something. But it's like why 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.160 are they both one or the other? Like can you 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.320 not be grateful the experience but also talk about like 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.480 how it makes you feel. I think we don't really 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.240 talk about how we feel all enough, and so I 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.320 talked about half of that. And also you get asked 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.560 that by producers like how do you feel. I'm like, well, 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.120 this is what's happened, and blah blah blah blah, and 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:22.760 then it's like. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.840 You know, Windy Yes, it was hard, mate, Like that's 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:26.920 that's the crux of it. 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:28.600 And we're not obviously the only ones. You've said that. 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.120 All the contestants been saying the whole way through. Crew 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.880 have been saying, production have been saying it. So I 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.920 think there's also like a bit of a bias with 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.400 all the privileged actress who's just the. 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.800 Glamor unemployed all the time. 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.400 Yeah, like it's like obviously you're super rich. Not true, 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:46.360 but like it's come on this show and she doesn't 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.720 deserve this opportunity. That was really hard at the start 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.800 actually when they we had a bit of feedback and 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.520 people just talking and even one of the contestants was like, 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.880 what the for you doing here? You don't deserve to 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.600 be here, Like this is for Ozzie Butler's and it's like, well, 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:01.760 what's your definition of a NUSSI battler? Like where the 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.800 kids of immigrant parents? We also like this would change 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.800 our lives, like whatever happens that option, like grateful for whatever, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.320 but this will set us up if we get to that, 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.280