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Speaker 1: Throughout the week, we have heard that Alice Springs is

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Speaker 1: I think you would say down in Alice Springs, even

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Speaker 1: that there'd even been officers who'd been set upon by

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Speaker 1: the public. So there's obviously an issue in Alice at

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Speaker 1: this point in time. Now joining us on the line though,

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Speaker 1: to let us know how things are tracking, Joshua Burgoyne,

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Speaker 1: who is the Member for Brakling also the Shadow Minister

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Speaker 1: for various portfolios including youth. Good morning to you, Josh.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Josh. Can you talk us through what's really unfolded over

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Speaker 1: the last week or so in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly, Katie. Look it, it's been a huge worry

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Speaker 2: that every morning I basically come into my elected office

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Speaker 2: emails that encompass everything from housebreak ins to people's cars

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Speaker 2: being damaged cars stolen and obviously premises broken into and damaged.

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Speaker 2: So that is a daily occurrence now, it's no longer

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Speaker 2: something that might happen once or twice a week. Every

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Speaker 2: point out that whilst there is a lot that is

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Speaker 2: finding out about to other means. So it is a

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Speaker 1: Goodness may I mean, that's a concern for residents and

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Speaker 1: for everybody really living in Elie Springs when you have

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Speaker 1: to deal with this type of thing, Josh, I mean,

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Speaker 1: from your perspective, is there any reason what sparked the

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Speaker 1: most recent spate of crime.

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously we've been dealing with crime in La Springs

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Speaker 2: people that basically were in town returned out to community.

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Speaker 2: Since the COVID has somewhat gone gone by the wayside,

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Speaker 2: and those bio restrictions have now been relaxed. There are

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Speaker 2: I heard the Watch commander speak about the footy ground

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Speaker 2: finals that we've had over the last few weeks. We

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Speaker 2: the gunnal Labor government went to the last election with

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Speaker 2: a range of policies to target youth offending and also

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Speaker 2: crime in Ola Springs, and well, what we're currently seeing

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Speaker 2: ourselves what is it actually going to take for this

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Speaker 2: It's a real worry, Katie Josh.

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Speaker 1: My understanding as well is that throughout the week some

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Speaker 1: of those police had been set upon. Is that correct.

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Speaker 2: Look, I won't comment on those individual instances purely because

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Speaker 2: I wasn't there and I haven't actually seen any reports

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Speaker 2: which there is clearly issues around. I spoke with police

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Speaker 2: You then go to those people and you say, are

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Speaker 2: that is purely, again allegedly, what is happening. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: this cycle of it's worrying. It's worrying a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: And I've been speaking a lot of people in town

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bloody, dreadful. And like you said, for the police,

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Speaker 1: you know what is the answer here. I know that

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly going to be lobbying the government to change

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Speaker 2: some of the laws around the Youth Diversion Act. I'm

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Speaker 2: literally I have it right up on my screen in

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Speaker 2: front of me here now, Katie, and once again, you know,

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Speaker 2: the officer must, instead of charging the youth with an offense,

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Speaker 2: a diversion program. Now so often, so often in other springs,

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Speaker 2: And are there enough programs that are actually available out

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Speaker 2: just when I chat to all the agencies, and I

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Speaker 2: I've been in this role. There are some really clear

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Speaker 2: shortfalls in the services that are provided, and there are

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Speaker 2: Michael Gunner, he came down here for all of five

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Speaker 2: point thirty at night. Now that upset. I cannot tell you, Katie,

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Speaker 2: the amount of people I've had come to me and say,

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Speaker 2: if you get the chance to talk to Michael Gunner,

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Speaker 2: you ask me what I'm going to try and do, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to try to talk to people like yourselves

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Speaker 2: leaders such as Michael Gunner, the people that are in government.

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Speaker 2: And I actually take my hat off to Kate Warden.

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Speaker 2: I heard her. She was on your show earlier. Yeahrang her.

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Speaker 2: I rang her earlier in the week, and she has

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Speaker 2: I think he's gone missing on this one, and we

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Speaker 1: Look, it sounds as though it's a really tough situation

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Speaker 1: think it's worth pointing out, mate. We don't often hear

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Speaker 1: you for saying that about Kate Warden. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's some of the stuff that we need to see happening.

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Speaker 1: We've got to kind of forget about the sides when

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. And it really sounds to me that

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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure how you fix it, but we've

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Speaker 1: got to make some inroads for the people who live.

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Speaker 2: There, absolutely, and that's what it's about about the leaders

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're dead right well, josh Burgoyne. I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time this morning. Thank you so much for having

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Speaker 1: a chat with us. We'll talk to you again very soon.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome, Katie, Thanks, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's the member for Brakling there, Joshua Burgoyne. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: it sounds as though poor old Alice Springs is going

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Speaker 1: but we've got to make sure that our leaders do

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Speaker 1: come together and try to work this out. Join mixed

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