WEBVTT - Andrew Fraser 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.920 Andrew Fraser is a name you might remember if you're 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:05.360 a longtime listener of No Another Crime podcast, or if 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.559 you just listened to the Peter Dubas episode. Now. In 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.559 that episode, I mentioned that the man who eventually took 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:15.560 down serial murderer Peter du Pass for his third life 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:20.400 sentence was once a prominent lawyer. This is his story, 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:22.239 don't du. 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:24.160 Scared. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.800 It is a tale of a man who flew too 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.880 close to the sun, a man who was once one of, 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:34.960 if not the top, or certainly most notorious criminal defense 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.720 lawyers in Melbourne. Oh wow, and how Andrew Fraser ended 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.200 up behind bars himself to be the one to whom 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:46.080 Peter du Pass would confess? Wow? How much do you 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:46.840 know about this story? 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.159 I don't know anything about this story apart from what 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.839 you already told me. You know in the Peter Dupats episode. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:53.159 That's what you call a little teas. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:55.320 Ah, you call it a little teas. 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.200 Andrew Roderick Fraser was born in nineteen fifty one to 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.759 a comfortable middle class family in Melbourne, Australia. 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.080 Of it and roder wreck as well. That's such an 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:07.920 interesting name. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:12.679 Isn't it. It feels very kind of old English. Yeah. He 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.880 went to Wesley College and went on to marry and 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:16.720 have two children. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.920 So Wesley College is quite a fancy school in Melbourne, 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:20.840 isn't it very expensive? 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:26.000 Yeah? It's a private griba Yeah, yeah, with boys and girls. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.639 He was a good student, but not a great one. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.840 He was one of those kids who was naturally clever, 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.720 but he didn't put in a whole heap of work. Sure, 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.679 he loved an argument, so becoming a lawyer seemed to 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.760 fit absolutely. He also really loved the idea of money, 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:43.920 and in particular having lots of it. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:44.440 Sure. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.760 He was described by the scriptwriter on what would later 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.600 become a TV series about his life as being a 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:56.320 man with a strong streak of narcissism. He was drawn 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.200 to the law because it was a fast track to 0:01:58.280 --> 0:01:59.920 social and financial success. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.000 Wow. Okay, were his parents' lawyers or anything as well? 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.280 I didn't find anything on what his parents did, but 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.840 they were, you know, well off enough that the kids 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:09.959 went to private school. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:11.720 They were the Wiggles, that's. 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:16.760 Right, their time before they gave birth in nineteen fifty one. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:17.480 Beautiful. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.399 Now, he obviously did get into law, because that's where 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.720 this story is going. But he only passed by one percent, 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.440 which did you know a pass is a pass? Just 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.240 to how far he gets in law and how prominent 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.560 he was, it's interesting that he just scraped through. 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.280 Is that like ninety like you know something that people 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:37.800 were quite high to get into. 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:42.560 Law, to get into exactly now. His teachers and classmates 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.000 probably didn't expect him to go on to become the 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.800 big name in law that he inevitably would, all right. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:52.400 One thing he did have in spades was doggedness. He 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.239 treated every client as the most important client he could 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.600 or would ever have, and made sure he was available 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.799 to them at any and every moment they might want. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.080 That's a pretty good It's a good quality to have 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:02.640 in someone. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.720 It was very much. He was like, I mean, I'll 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.119 do anything to make the most money that i can. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.920 So if I'm the most available, the more people will 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.760 hire me. Now, this is how he became so popular 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.000 and yes, very very wealthy. He would turn up to 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:23.560 court to represent the pits of society. His words, not mine. 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.520 He was truly representing some heinous people in a Mercedes 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.919 Benz convertible at first, later to be replaced by a Porsche. 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:32.400 Oh wow. 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.040 He aligned himself to professional criminals and said, I'm in 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.560 your camp. I make house calls twenty four hours a day, 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.520 and I will get a magistrate out of bed at 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.000 two am for you. If I have to right a magistrate. 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:50.080 I am. But in doing this he very much alienated 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.640 himself from the other side, the police, all right, and 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:58.000 they ended up loathing him because he wasn't only successful 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.480 in court, he also seems to carry it on outside 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.360 the court. His attitude was that this was a game 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.040 and he was able to win it. He wasn't just 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:12.400 about justice, he was about winning. This will become quite evident. 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.640 He would live by the line you never ask your 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.000 clients if they're guilty or not sure, so. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.640 You don't know, you're not liable in any way. 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:22.680 Yeah, but I ask, And I heard him say this 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:27.960 many times in different interviews when I was researching. His job, 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.880 as can be argued, of course, is the job of 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:34.000 every defense lawyer, was presuming innocence and make sure only 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:38.320 the cases with strong enough evidence proven beyond reasonable doubt 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.239 would go down. But this often perhaps went a little 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.720 too far. He had a lot of clients, obviously, But 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.320 I'm going to talk today about the three or at 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.120 least three of the most prominent ones for which he 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:55.200 became infamous and inevitably led to his downfall. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:56.240 Oh wow, okay. 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.400 The first is a name, a man by the name 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:05.159 of Denni Allan, aka mister Death. Have you heard of him? 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:05.600 No? 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.520 He was a violent and depraved drug dealer who dipped 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.760 into his own supply, becoming heavily addicted himself. This only 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.159 made him even more erratic than he was already. He 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.400 was the eldest son of criminal matriarch Caath Petting Girl, 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.479 which I feel like anyone from Melbourne will recognize it 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.080 is one of the most infamous and notorious names in 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:36.400 Melbourne crime. Her family family, Her family is inarguably evil 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.840 and very dangerous. And I'll go into some of this 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:44.240 family a bit later on. Cath Petting Girl brought her son, 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.480 her first son, Dennis Allen, to see Andrew Fraser when 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.080 he was in his twenties and they had a lot 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.440 of cash to spend, so spend it on Fraser they did. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.440 Alan was a major drug dealer in inner city Melbourne, 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.799 mostly working around Richmond South Era during the nineteen eighties. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:04.920 You've got to have your beat. I feel like when 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:06.840 you're working in the underground as well, you've got to 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:08.719 have your beat. Like a lot of people know about, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.760 like you know the kind of the Carlton, you know, 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.240 crimes around that time, and the carlt and crew. 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.000 They will come up as well. It's a very meltpig story. 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:22.640 No I like it. It's foreshadow foreshadowing. So one of 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.760 the things, I mean, there's lots of stuff about this 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.000 horrible man. One of the things that kind of comes 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.960 up again and again is that he lived his house 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.599 in Richmond backed onto the train line and back in 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.359 those days, trains had windows that you could put up 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.920 and down right, So he would have his drug runners 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.920 throw the drugs out of the train window into his backyard. 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:46.680 So this is doctor Deck, not Dea do to death, 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:47.400 not Andrew Fraser. 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.800 We're all on Dennis are yeah, yeah, And he would 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.720 do that, so you know it was never seen going 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:55.640 in and out of his friend. 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.560 They pay their fare, I should say, pay their fare 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.960 got fish. 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.080 The money he made from drugs, he set up brothels 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:12.120 and massage parlors in inverted commas and he paid off police. 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.880 There was a lot of corruption around in these days. 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.120 Also. Can I just say that massage parlors. A friend 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.240 of mine went to a massage parlor the other day 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.000 and the end got offered an extra service and went to. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:28.000 Like what he thought was just like a spa day 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:29.080 spa or knew it was a. 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:30.840 It was no, No, it was a massage place to 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.200 get like you had like bad knees and got like 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.400 a massage done and got offered an extra service at 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.600 the end was like, that's so interesting because it is hard. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.160 I reckon, I don't. I've never really had a massage before. 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:43.520 That's why he was offered. 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:45.840 Yeah, but also like yeah, I get that, and I 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:50.000 like that. Can ye, I love that? Okay, I think 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.520 what you did it was amazing then, because I think 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:58.000 it is a thing that probably people know, like the 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.760 unspoken thing of going oh I can go here. They 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.120 call a happy ending. But how would you know, like 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:04.960 if like. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:10.280 No, there's like an unwritten rules. Ones that have the 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:15.280 flashing neon open signs, oh really that have like that 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.920 you can't see through the windows covered with like the signage. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.880 Sure okay, and shoes hanging out the. 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:29.240 Drug dealers like Dennis Allen. All Right, So I've got 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:34.040 a quote here from Andrew Fraser talking about Dennis Allen. 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.800 He would buy heroine and crush it and flatten it, 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.160 then cover it in glad rap and hang it on 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.840 the clothesline in the backyard with a doner over it 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.840 like a quilt cover. He would then crank the line 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.200 up high so it was well above any dogs that 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.320 the police might bring in. So he was drying out 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:57.120 his drugs in plain sight cover. His other treat this 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.240 is still Phraser talking about him. His other trick to 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.439 buy a heap of potted azaleas, pull them, pull them 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.480 out of the pot, stick the gear in the bottom 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.800 of the pot, then put the plant back in and 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.120 bury the pot in the garden so it just looked 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.720 as if it was growing in the ground. Sure, with guns, 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.200 he would dig a hole up against the boundary fence 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.960 and then go side like dig under sideways into his 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.439 neighbour's yard to bury the gun that way. If police 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:27.920 ever dug it up, exactly unders if the police, thank you, 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.439 dig you Salia that could be the name of If 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.720 police dug it up, he would prove that it wasn't 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:35.640 on his property. 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.760 Oh okay, that's pretty clever. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.040 We're not giving advice here, we're just talking about the 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.800 crimes of someone that's not advice. Now, one major crime 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.560 he was convicted of, and there are so many, but 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.959 one of the major ones was a rape in the 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.320 nineteen seventies, for which he served a ten year prison sentence. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:10:01.480 This hardened him significantly. After his release from this sentence, 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.640 he was suspected of being involved in up to thirteen 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.480 some reports says many as fifteen murders. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:08.960 Oh wow, okay. 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.320 One of his most heinous crimes was the murder of 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:18.040 former Hell's Angels Biky Anton Kenny. Dennis Allen had cut 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.800 off his legs with a chainsaw to fit him into 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.080 a forty four gallon drum that was dumped in the 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:23.680 Arrow River. 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:24.840 Oh my god. 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:30.640 He's also believed to have killed his friend Wayne Stanhope. Now, 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.640 whether Alan planned to kill stan Hope or did it 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.319 on a whim is uncertain, But what happened was when 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.120 he was invited. So Stanhope was invited over to Dennis 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.640 Allen's home like straight on his release from jail. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:44.079 Yep, that's nice. 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.640 He went. They were all doing drugs together and he 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:51.439 went to change a record on Allan's stereo system and 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.320 Alan shot him in the head. Oh he emptied two 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.000 guns before cutting his friend's throat. 0:10:58.360 --> 0:10:59.040 Oh wow. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.319 His body was never found, so no charges were laid. 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.120 Wow. Everyone just knew who was guilty, but he was 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:05.920 never Yeah. Wow. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.040 This is what has been said about what happened. Sure, 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:14.880 in all of Allan's alleged crimes, Andrew Fraser essentially helped 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.400 him avoid jail time by leveraging his knowledge of corrupt 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.880 Victorian police at the time, and there was a lot 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:26.600 of corruption, so essentially Andrew Fraser knew about the corruption 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.840 and would use that to kind of not get him 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.160 wow charged. He would get a lot of Allan's hearings 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.520 adjourned time and time again, but one was particularly prominent. 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.400 Dennis had asked Andrew Fraser to get in a German 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.080 in a hearing at the coroner's court. So it was 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.480 hearing into a woman who had died of a heroin overdose, 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:48.880 but whose body had been found in a river with 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.560 signs that had been put there after death. Dennis Allen 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.880 came forward as the main suspect, but there wasn't enough 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.800 evidence to arrest and charge him, so instead they did 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:03.079 a coroner's inquired into her death and essentially into whether 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.360 they could find enough evidence to charge Allan. Now, Fraser 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.480 had kind of said, I can't get you out of 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.880 this one, mate, it's the coroner's court. It looks really 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.600 bad here. I can't adjourn this anymore. You weren't going 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.320 to have to go in today. Andrew Fraser went and 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.439 picked him up. They drove into the coroner's court together, 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:24.640 and as they pulled up, they saw dozens of fire 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:29.800 trucks because the coroner's court had been firebombed, so it 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:34.920 was closed for the day. My god, Alan said, quote 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:36.720 told you I'd get it adjourned. 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.319 Oh my god, this time this is such an extreme wi. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:47.600 Yeah yeah, Now Andrew Fraser. Fraser was quoted as saying, 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.040 Dennis was always polite to me, listened and took my advice, 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.160 but his only redeeming feature to me was that he 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:55.120 had a lot of money. 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:56.680 Sure, clearly, this. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.280 Is still Frases quote. Clearly he was a dreadful person. 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.600 Sure, okay. So he knew he was representing, you know, 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.560 as he called us, what did he call them, not pests, 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.600 but it was like pits, pits, the pits, Yeah, exactly. 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:12.840 So he knew the people he was representing, but he 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.560 was a really good criminally attorney. Yeah, my god, yess 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:17.680 yeah yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, that's so interesting. 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.480 I mean I never in all of my research, I 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.520 didn't ever hear him talk about any specific cases of 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.520 people he got off because he thought they were innocent. 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.040 And he spoke a lot about the fact that he says, 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:31.880 you never ask your client whether they did it. 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:32.760 Yeah, okay. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:38.000 Now, thankfully for Andrew Fraser and undoubtedly many many people 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.480 who surely would have gone on to become more victims 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.160 of Dennis Allen, or at the very least have horrible 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.800 dire interactions with him. Dennis Allen died in nineteen eighty 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.880 seven at the age of thirty five. His heart gave out, 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:55.760 almost certainly not helped by years of very heavy drug abuse, which, 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.640 per my reading, caused pieces of his heart to literally 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:00.440 break away. 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.240 Oh wow, he's heartbroke. 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:06.600 He's heart broke, heart failure because he was a piece 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.160 of shit. Wow, only thirty five thirty five. Now I 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:12.160 can't just say I'm not saying his pieceship because he 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:12.880 did drugs hit. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:14.679 This man was a piece of yes, yeah, yea, yeah, yeah. 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:16.880 He sawed someone's legs off. I think you're alloud to 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:17.200 say that. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.920 Yeah, Andrew Fraser has said openly that he was very 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.520 happy to see the back of mister Death, but it 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:26.080 wouldn't be the end of his relationship with Dennis Allen's family. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.000 More on that later. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.120 A lot of money coming out of that family. 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:37.400 The second of Andrew Fraser's notorious, well known clients I'm 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.360 going to talk about today is Lewis. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.240 Moran, Okay, of the Moran family. 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.240 One of the heads of the Carlton Crew, which you 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:49.960 brought up earlier. Yeah, yeah, so very brief I'm just mentioned, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:55.080 not even background. Melbourne had very very prominent underworld gangland 0:14:55.200 --> 0:15:00.600 wars in the eighties, nineties, early two thousands. It was 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.800 essentially kind of two gangs ended up turning against each other. 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.680 One person started working with one to make ecstasy pills, 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.960 then went off on their own was shot in the stomach. 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.000 This kicked off the whole thing. One of the gangs 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.800 was called the Carlton Crew, and Lewis Moran was the patriarch, 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:24.480 or one of the patriarchs of this crew. His fat 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.120 This is just to kind of paint a bit of 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.720 a picture as to his life in crime and how 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.000 he got started. His father was a bookie in a 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:37.360 local pub who always cooked the books. And his mother 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:42.600 was a quote unquote nurse for a prominent illegal abortionist. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.240 Oh wow, it wasn't a great family. Moran was an 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.680 all rounder as a crime figure. He was a skilled pickpocket, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.800 something he never quite gave up, even when he was 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.280 making plenty of cash in other ways. He and his 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.600 brother Tuppence were tough street fighters and were said to 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:00.120 use guns only when ness. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.680 And I think it's someone called Tuppets, I think tough. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.760 Well, yes, it was his nickname, but I don't remember 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:12.840 why the family was heavily involved in illegal book making, 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:17.880 race fixing, and opportunistic receiving of stolen goods. Now it 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:22.480 was Lewis's son Jason and stepson Mark who moved the 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.880 family into the lucrative business of drugs, the business that 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.280 eventually cost both of them, or all of them, their lives. 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.960 Lewis Moran, cunning and cautious, was always looking for an edge. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.920 He was looking for better legal advice and had heard 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:41.760 about this guy called Andrew Fraser. He met Fraser through 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:45.160 the respected barrister Phil Dunn at a lunch at the 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:46.360 Flower Drum restaurant. 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.920 Oh sure, quite a well known restaurant in it actually. 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.240 Won in a war. I think it won Restaurant of 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.400 the Year, or that might be wrong, but I think 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:56.720 it's right this year in twenty two. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.960 Oh really Yeah, I've been around for a long time, 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.280 long time, and institution. 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.639 Really prominent in that era of you know, high flyers, 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:14.640 whether they're underworld or above. So Moran asked Andrew Fraser 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.639 for his card. Fraser gave him a handful and with 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.159 that gesture it's wasteful, it is, but he was like, 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.640 this is my inn. This is doubt as many as 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:26.000 you are. 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:26.320 Yeah. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.760 Sure, with this gesture, his standing as the underworld's go 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:32.960 to lawyer was consolidated. 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:33.480 Wow. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.640 A quote from Andrew Fraser. I never charged Lewis assent 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:43.600 because anything. He sent me so many blokes. Sorry, because 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.760 he sent me so many blokes who did pay. 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:46.440 Yeah. 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:46.840 Sure. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.000 He would sometimes ask for a favor for a good 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.399 bloke who'd got in trouble, but he would tell me 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:57.080 which ones had plenty and to charge them accordingly. So 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.760 he knew, Yeah, he knew I was around with such 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.280 a big player in the underworld that he was like, 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.080 I'm not going to charge you ever, mate, you're all good. 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.719 Just give me some more work and Lewis will kind 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.160 of work with him to go charge this one. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:11.240 Yeah right. 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.280 Fraser trusted Moran a lot more than he certainly trusted 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:21.879 but even liked, Dennis Allen. But business is business. Moran 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.400 paid him by referring, referring a stream of clients. Allan 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.639 had paid with an endless stream of cash. 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.600 Did you know if Andrew Fraser worked with a law 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.720 firm or he was always out on his own? 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:35.560 I don't know. 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.840 Yeah, yeah, because you think this sort of work, you'd 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.280 have to work by yourself, you couldn't. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.479 Yes, yeah, I'm thinking that, but I actually don't know. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.359 So over these years representing many dodgy and discussing criminals, 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.080 the underworld's favorite lawyer got into a bit of a 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.399 habit himself. He broke one of the iron rules of 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.919 old time criminals. Don't get high on your own supply. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:18:59.639 Oh sure, okay. 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.800 Fraser started using cocaine after a biky gang leader tossed 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.640 him a bag of the drug as a gift when 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.040 Fraser was going away for a weekend to the Adelais 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.240 Grand Prix in the late nineteen eighties. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.920 Is thrown through the window of a passing trap you. 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:15.720 May have been. 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:17.720 Now. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:19.760 The reason I bring it up here is that Lewis 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.959 Moran said, from very early days, that will get you 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.760 into nothing but trouble, mate, stay out of it. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:27.200 Nice for him to warn him. 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:32.400 Exactly if Louis Mirando's an, I was staying out of trouble. Now. 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:36.639 This cocaine use, over time became less of a habit 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.440 and more of a full blown addiction, a five thousand 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.080 dollars a week addiction. 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:43.800 Or less five thousand dollars a week. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.840 In a podcast with him that I listened to, he said, 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.480 a cocaine addiction is God's way of telling you you've 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.760 got too much money. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's his 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.720 addiction was a very poorly kept secret. But we'll get 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:02.200 back to that. The third client I'm going to talk 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:08.359 about today is Victor Pierce. While working with Slash representing 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:14.120 Dennis Allen Andrew Fraser became inextricably linked to the wider family. 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.560 As I said before, Dennis Allen's mother was Cath petting Gil. 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:24.359 Two of her other sons were notorious gangsters, Trevor Pettingill 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:28.919 and Victor Pierce. So there were two of Dennis Allen's 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:34.040 half brothers. After Dennis Allen died, Andrew Fraser wanted out 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.800 of the petting Gill family, but that was a lot 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.320 easier said than done. They saw him as being on 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.960 the books, even owing them. One of his brothers, Victor 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.520 Victor Pierce, had been represented by Fraser years before and 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.399 hadn't avoided conviction and was locked up for four years. 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.840 He blamed Fraser, of course he was his lawyer and 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:54.880 he hated him. 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:55.320 Wow. 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.480 But the rest of the family loved and trusted Andrew Fraser, 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.439 so Victor Piers was willing to give the lawyer another go. Fraser, 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.840 essentially feeling threatened and backed into a corner to continue 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:09.320 working with the family. Victor Pierce was not someone you 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.760 wanted to cross, right. His family was the only reason 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.240