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Speaker 2: Now, joining me on the show and in the studio

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Speaker 2: right now is the opposition leader, Leah Fanocchiaro.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to your leading.

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Speaker 1: Morning, Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Now Leah, firstly, we yesterday learned of the loss of

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Speaker 2: well known and much loved Territory boy Chris Willow Wilson.

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Speaker 2: He was one of the stars of Outback Wrangler, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's say, the epitome of everything we love

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Speaker 2: about the Northern Territory. But he was also a great bloke,

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Speaker 2: a loving son, husband and dad and Leah, I know

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Speaker 2: that Willow was a good friend of yours and your families.

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Speaker 3: How is he going to be remembered?

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Speaker 4: Look that it's a tragic loss to the territory, but

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Speaker 4: of course to Danny and the kids, and Robin and

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Speaker 4: Sharon and the whole family. And I think just seeing

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Speaker 4: how far Chris's impact has touched people and the pouring

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Speaker 4: of support shows the incredible person that he was and

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Speaker 4: always will be remembered for. And lots of people know

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Speaker 4: him as that rough and tumble guy, and you know,

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Speaker 4: Chris is certainly a lot of fun, but he was

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Speaker 4: a lot more than that, and we certainly knew him

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Speaker 4: as someone who's incredibly proud of their family, an amazing father.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you see Crest with kids, it's just

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Speaker 4: melts your heart, and just such a loyal friend, a

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Speaker 4: We've really lost one of the territories great champions. And

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Speaker 4: you know the charities he was involved with, the organizations

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a good bloke. Look, I didn't know

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Speaker 2: him well, certainly, not like you did. I know that

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Speaker 2: he was always at oh it's a blokes thing luncheons

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Speaker 2: every year. And I think that that's a really good

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Speaker 2: point that you've made a real supporter of everything territory,

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Speaker 2: which is a wonderful thing that we want in any Territori.

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Speaker 2: And really, look, we will continue along. There is a

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Speaker 2: that over the last couple of weeks we've spoken at

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Speaker 2: links about the masks and also those check ins. Still

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Speaker 2: no word from the Northern Territory government on what day

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Speaker 2: this mask mandate's going to live.

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Speaker 3: Now take a listen.

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Speaker 2: If you missed it earlier in the week, to what

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Speaker 2: the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner had said to us about

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Speaker 5: They have a day, but it's definitely sooner rather than later,

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Speaker 5: like very soon. The caseload is trending down. You can

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Speaker 5: we believe they help contribute to the downward trend. And

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Speaker 5: if we were to pull the mass mandate off, for example,

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Speaker 5: I don't think we could put it back on a

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Speaker 5: be very careful. It's done once and it's done right.

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Speaker 3: So we're talking days or weeks.

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Speaker 5: I think it's more days than weeks.

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Speaker 3: But maybe by this time next week.

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Speaker 5: We guarantee is this one yeah yeah, yeah yeah. You

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Speaker 2: The opposition say the government needs to immediately outline the

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Speaker 3: Why does this need to happen sooner rather.

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Speaker 4: Than And like it's really unacceptable for the Chief Minister

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Speaker 4: like he's unveiling a new playground at a school. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is it's beyond a joke. We've had all around

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Speaker 4: we know that, particularly in the hospitality industry, they are

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Speaker 4: But you know it's impacting people broadly. We need the

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Speaker 2: So, Leah, as far as you're concerned, do they really

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Speaker 2: well today or tomorrow and outline that plan and when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to know what the picture is going forward.

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Speaker 4: Tell us a time frame on the mask, tell us

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Speaker 4: There needs to be transparency, and there just hasn't been.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's a big reason why we're bringing our

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Speaker 4: got nothing to hide, pass it and let's get some

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Speaker 2: What date does Parliament sit in March, and what's the

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Speaker 2: weeks away still, but it's not too far off. And

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Speaker 2: then you're going to be introducing this bill. You really

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Speaker 2: want to see some reporting from the government when it

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Speaker 1: Without question.

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Speaker 4: So parliament's at the end of March, and what our

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Speaker 4: practical change. The intention is already there. What happens is

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Speaker 4: with the emergency period. At the end of an emergency period,

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Speaker 4: the Chow is supposed to report to Parliament within three months.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: Of course this government has just rolled.

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Speaker 4: The emergency period on for two years, understandably, but there's

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Speaker 2: Do you know if they do in other states? Is

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Speaker 3: Do we know?

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure about that. But our legislation is certainly

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Speaker 4: believe that's required to restore confidence. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: people are really starting to have serious doubts over the

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Speaker 4: government's leadership on this issue. So let's not play politics

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Speaker 4: with COVID. Let's provide the health advice. Of course, we

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Speaker 4: have a plan. It's not too much to ask for

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Speaker 4: a plan. In fact, it should be the bear basic

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Speaker 2: Leah, obviously another issue that continues to bubble along at

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Speaker 2: the moment, I think you'd have to say, or from

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Speaker 2: an observers perspective, it's certainly been an interesting time for

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Speaker 2: then being replaced of course by Fiona Darcy. It is

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Speaker 2: understood that the parties also been given two months to

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Speaker 2: to be deregistered. Leah, did that letter get received on Monday.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if the party's confirmed a letter or not.

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Speaker 4: Certainly it's been widely reported, so I suppose it has.

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Speaker 4: But ultimately, look Katie, to be very honest, this is

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Speaker 4: not something I'm concerned about at all. I want people

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Speaker 4: to be really clear. This does not affect the CLP

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Speaker 4: if you have a member of Federal Parliament, then any

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Speaker 1: It's not part of the deal.

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Speaker 4: But obviously because Sam McMahon has resigned, it then invokes

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Speaker 4: So I've got no concerns Katie about any of this.

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Speaker 3: Is the party in a state of disarray?

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Speaker 4: And I'm so excited to be working with Fiona Darcy,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of that membership, there has been a lot of

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Speaker 3: Do you look.

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Speaker 4: The CLP is okay, we comply with those federal requirements

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Speaker 4: and we are going to run Tina McFarlane, Damien Ryan

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Speaker 2: Is it disappointing though, if you don't have fifteen hundred members?

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Speaker 3: So it's just.

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Speaker 4: Different thresholds for the AEC to ensure various levels of compliance.

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Speaker 2: Leah, I mean, are you in a situation though I

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Speaker 2: But are you in a situation here where you're potentially

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think that's going to happen at all.

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Speaker 4: Of course, you know, there are a million scenarios you

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Speaker 4: but it's not.

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Speaker 1: One of them.

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Speaker 4: And you know, we we're just looking forward to the

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Speaker 4: You know, there are a lot of things going on

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Speaker 4: that we need to be focused on, and that's what

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Speaker 2: So just to make this really clear, because I think

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Speaker 2: the sounds of things, going to run as CELPAK candidates,

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Speaker 2: as that investigation by the AEC isn't going to be

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Speaker 2: complete before the federal election anyway, and then presumably you're

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Speaker 2: going to have a senator in place. Is that how

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Speaker 4: I see that we can play with all federal requirements

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Speaker 4: And then of course there's the fact that you know,

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Speaker 4: we'll see just to come into parliament and all of

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Speaker 4: this will be an absolute moot point. So a lot

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Speaker 4: of hype and speculation. It's an interesting thing to talk

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Speaker 4: But it's certainly not anything I'm losing sleep very I reckon.

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Speaker 2: It's more a situation where you know, every territorium, whether

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Speaker 2: you vote Labor, whether you vote for the CLP, whether

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Speaker 2: is you know, whether the CLP is in disarray or not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and that's a fair question. I can confirm

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Speaker 1: we are not. We are a very strong life force.

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Speaker 4: Of course, the parliamentary team kicking goals against a bad

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Speaker 4: working ferociously to support our federal candidates. You know, we're

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Speaker 4: vote in this election. It's a really, really important one,

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Speaker 4: and I encourage everyone to get more involved. If you

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Speaker 3: You might need to pay for some advertising for that

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Speaker 3: ad later. Hey, before I let you go.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that has really got people very

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Speaker 2: IgA Nel shared yesterday. It happened on Monday afternoon. Leah,

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Speaker 2: have you seen that vision outside the Fanny bay IgA

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Speaker 3: Was your reaction?

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 4: I have seen it, Katie, and I just it was

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Speaker 4: absolutely horrific to see the violence being used, you know,

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Speaker 4: Of course, I don't even need to mention Allie Springs.

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Speaker 4: It speaks for itself that they are crying out for support.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when you talk.

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Speaker 4: To CBD retailers and particular businesses in them all, and

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Speaker 4: I've been having a lot of engagement with some particular

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Speaker 4: it's making them question whether they can keep their doors open.

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Speaker 1: It's having a profound impact.

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Speaker 4: And still government and pretending like this isn't this isn't

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Speaker 3: What needs to happen here?

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Speaker 2: Because we've caught up with the Northern Territory Police and

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Speaker 3: Maybe come from.

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Speaker 2: Ordinarily we'd have about seven hundred, is what the police

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Speaker 3: What do you think needs to.

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Speaker 2: Happen here to try and you know, get things under control.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's you know, part of it will

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Speaker 4: be a reflection on failed alcohol policy. You know, we

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Speaker 4: it seems that that's failing, probably through lack of enforcement,

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Speaker 4: which is no reflection on police. They're obviously stretched to

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Speaker 4: having its role still in distracting the police from doing

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Speaker 4: whole multitude of issues that you know, compound on this issue.

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Speaker 4: But in the meantime, people are being bashed, beaten and

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Speaker 4: even responding to it as an issue. They can't even

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Speaker 3: We don't know.

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Speaker 2: We used to catch up very often with Lariquilla Nation

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Speaker 3: I don't know, do you know if that's still operating

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Speaker 4: Look, I imagine it still is. Of course, over the

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Speaker 4: wet season, it's really difficult because plenty of roads are

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Speaker 4: just completely impassable, so we certainly wouldn't be supporting any

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Speaker 4: And you can't just pretend something's not happening and it

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Speaker 4: will go away. It's just getting worse and it's reflected

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Speaker 1: I mean, domestic violence is through the roof.

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Speaker 4: We saw the federal minister up this week giving ten

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Speaker 4: million dollars to frontline services and you know that's fantastic

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Speaker 4: for the federal government to get involved, but it's not

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Speaker 4: their job. It's actually the territory government's job. And where

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Speaker 2: Well Leaf and Okio, the opposition leader, we are going

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Speaker 2: to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Katy. Take care