1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: We know that there's a lot happening in terms of 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: well Federal Parliament. The Federal Member for Solomon Luke Gosling 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: has today released a Lowe Institute analysis paper entitled Deterring 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: at a Distance the Strategic Logic of UCAS. The analysis 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: argues that nuclear powered submarines will be central to Australia's 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: ability to defeat threats of attack and counter a naval 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: blockade and support the regional balance of power. Luke Gosling 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: joins me on the line from Canberra. Good morning to you, Luke. 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your time this morning. 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Luke, what is the aim of writing this paper? 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,319 Speaker 2: Many aims, I guess to start with. I think we've 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: all got a responsibility to contribute to public awareness and 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: understanding about the context in which we're living at this 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: time in history. In the Indo Pacific, it's kind of 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: where the main game is with strategic competition. We've got 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: most of the world's population. There's been massive increases to 18 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: some of the militaries in our region, in particular China, 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: and it's just time to look at our region and 20 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: explain to the Australian people through this paper and through 21 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: a speech I'm giving tonight at the National Press Club 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: why it's so important that we invest in the submarine 23 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: one and why we're making the fifteen to eighteen billion 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: dollar investment across Northern Australia to improve our defense posture. 25 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: But the name of the paper is deterring at a 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: distance and why that's important for us in the territory is, yes, 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: we need to be ready to defend the territory and 28 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: project power from the territory, but we don't want to 29 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: be fighting in the territory and that's why the at 30 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: a distance from us is the way to go. And 31 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: that's what submarines help us. 32 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: To talk us through what the paper argues and really 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: what you are going to be saying at that National 34 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: Press Club speech tonight. 35 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: I'll put the link on on my Facebook code so 36 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: people can listen in if they want to. But essentially 37 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: it is an explanation tonight around kind of summarizing the 38 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: paper's main point. I've done an analysis of where regional 39 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: militaries are in particular China and the United States, and 40 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: what is clear is that there's been a seventy five 41 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: percent increase in funding for the People's liberation, Army, Navy 42 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: and Air Force. And that's obviously they're right to pursue 43 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: their national interest, but it hasn't come with the sorts 44 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: of hasn't been a company by the sorts of strategic 45 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: reassurance that countries in our region would be hoping for. 46 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: So what we want to maintain and what our partners 47 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: want to maintain is a balance of power in the 48 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: Indo Pacific, where countries can pursue their future free of coercion, 49 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: and where countries are bye by a rule based order 50 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: that we all sign up to, particularly when there's disputes 51 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 2: such as there is in South China. 52 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: Seed I mean, Luke, when you look at what some 53 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: of those other countries are doing right now and you 54 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: talk about these strategic importance of a place like Darwin, 55 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: what do you think it means for us and for 56 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: our residents listening this morning? 57 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: Just that we need to be transparent. I think with 58 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: people about the context in which we are living. We're 59 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: a very multicultural place. We have people from all over 60 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: the world. We've got proud Chinese history in the Northern Territory, 61 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: We've got obviously host US Marine at the moment, We've 62 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: always been frontier town. That just means we're really we're 63 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: at the fullcom of the Indian pacification, so important for 64 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: our nation in terms of our relationships with our neighbors. 65 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: And what I'll part of what I'll be saying tonight 66 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: is I think we need to really strengthen our relationship 67 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: with Indonesia. They are a huge, growing economy. There are 68 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: close and deer neighbors, and the same goes for team 69 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: or less than other islands into the Pacific. And what 70 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: we've done in the last two years as a government 71 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: is really re engaged with our region to establish those 72 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: stronger relationships because you know, it's really important that we're 73 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: helping our neighbors along. But what is concerning in asout 74 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: China see and what I think, you know, I've got 75 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: a responsibility as the federal parliamentarian to articulate this is 76 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: that when we've got a massive militi like the Chinese 77 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: that is coursing Philippines fishing boats in areas that are 78 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: actually the Philippine Exclusive Economic Zone, well that's a problem. 79 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: It's a problem when smaller countries are coerced by larger countries. 80 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: We have a great trading relationship with China that we've 81 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 2: put back on track in the last two years, and 82 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: we appreciate that. But what we will do is continue 83 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: to play as a federal government a really constructive role 84 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: because it's not just about China and the US. Obviously, 85 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: it's about India, Indonesia, it's about Japan, and it's about 86 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: Chinese leadership as well, all working together to maintain the 87 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: freedoms that there are in the region for everyone to 88 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 2: trade freely. And we're so important on trade, so important 89 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: to Australia and to our economy. So that's why it's 90 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: important to people in the territory and all around us Australia. 91 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: Look, some people listening this morning and I've got a 92 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: couple of messages about this already are going to be 93 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: wondering why so okay to have nuclear powered subs. But 94 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: the federal government's so opposed to Peter Dutton's nuclear power proposal. 95 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 2: Because Peter Dunn's proposal is disingenuous, it's not going to 96 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: have any impact in the near future where we need 97 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 2: it to have, and it's when the Orchestra submarines they 98 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: have a really contained nuclear propulsion system, but we won't 99 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 2: need a place to put that waste until the twenty fifties. 100 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: Really what we need, is what we're doing is to 101 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: have steady power, steady electricity for Australia, and we know 102 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: that renewables are an important part of that, but also 103 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: gas is an important part of that as well. So 104 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: what I think Peter Dunn's trying to do is say 105 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: nuclear power and or the submarines are the same thing. 106 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: They're not. One is going to take decades and twenty 107 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: years to become a reality. And he's not back, but 108 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: he's knocked back by the Business Council of Australia and 109 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: would have to be purchased and built by the Australian taxpayers. 110 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: And that's going to cost a lot of money. And 111 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, a nuclear power plan 112 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: will be much more expensive to your listeners listening today 113 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: than a mix of renewables and gas will ever be. 114 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: Look, I want to move along. 115 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: There is a bit a couple of other things that 116 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm keen to just ask you about quickly. The Australian 117 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: newspaper is this morning reporting that the Albanezy Government's going 118 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: to haul in the board of the nation's biggest Aboriginal 119 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: justice service, I mean revelations that its chairman assaulted his 120 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: pregnant partner and demand well, the Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda 121 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: Bernie going to demand the crisis riddled agency show leadership 122 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: on family violence now. The Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Bernie 123 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: on Monday said that she was deeply concerned about the 124 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: situation with Niger and had called an emergency meeting with 125 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: the Attorney General, Mark Dreyfus and the Northern Territory's Deputy 126 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: Chief Minister, Chancey Paig. Look, what do you think needs 127 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: to happen here? 128 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: I'm not aware of the outcome of those discussions, Caddie, 129 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: but I'll follow up with Mark Drapers, our federal Attorney 130 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: General and see what happens with certainly concerning to read 131 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: reports in the paper, as I have an online over 132 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: twenty four hours or so, being down here all longer 133 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: than that. It hasn't really this story has been around 134 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: for a little while. But I think all particularly all 135 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: Commonwealth funded that all will organizations need to show leadership 136 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 2: in this space. We know that domestic family and sexual 137 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: violence is such a scourge in an are in Australia, 138 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: been in the Northern Territory in particular. So I think 139 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: it behoss all of us, and particularly those in government, 140 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: to be showing leadership in this space. But I'm happy 141 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: to give you some feedback after I've spoken with the 142 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: Attorney General. 143 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd really appreciate it. I mean, I agree with you. 144 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: I think that the scourge that is domestic violence in 145 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory is abhorrent. And you know, when we're 146 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: talking about people in positions of power, it's and an 147 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: organization that's very charter really is to represent, you know, 148 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: to represent people that in many cases are. 149 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: Vulnerable, and you know that really. 150 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I just think we've got to have a 151 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: closer look into this situation with NAJA and I don't 152 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: know where it's all going to land, but at the moment, 153 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: things just don't seem to be working in the way 154 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: that they should be with the organization. 155 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the organization provides such an important role. So 156 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: it's vital that I saw that Leanne Caden has resigned, 157 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: and she's done some fantastic work, particularly in housing and 158 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: then with the Aboriginal Benefits account, so you know that 159 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: that's a loss. I've been impressed with Leanne's work, but 160 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: across the board, as you said, Katie, organizations, particularly those 161 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: funded by tax boat, you need to uphold the highest standard. 162 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: And look, we had a lot of work to do. 163 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: Some pretty shocking things have happened in the Federal Parliament 164 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: in years gone by, and over the last two years 165 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: of the alban AT's government's been in power, that's been 166 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: a big focus for us to cleaning up the culture 167 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: and demanding better standards of behavior and better reporting processes. 168 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: And I hope that magic gets on track again very soon. 169 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: Look, in terms of these vape changes, so the Commonwealth government. 170 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 3: Well it's a world our world leading vape. 171 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: Ban is expected to come into effect next week, but 172 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: sudden changes mean that it's going to be easier to 173 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: buy them in October. Reportedly, the amendments to the bill 174 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: before the Federal Parliament have sparked disagreement among health professionals, 175 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: law experts, elected officials and industry groups. According to the ABC, 176 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: now if this bill clears Parliament, Australia is going to 177 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: become the first country to ban the sale of vapes 178 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: outside of outside of pharmacies. 179 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: Why do you think these changes are needed? 180 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 2: Well, how actually this area started when we banned in 181 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: January this year. The disposable vapes that were made to 182 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: look like a disguised that look like highlight of pens 183 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: or USB's or what have you. Now really focused on kids, 184 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: and also the vapes stores that popped up. I'm not 185 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: making any inferences to the character of the people who 186 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: work in those shops, the retail business that has been 187 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: selling vapes, but the reality is that nine out of 188 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: ten of these stores were within short walking differences of school, 189 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: and if you talk to teachers, vaping has become for 190 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: them the number one behavioral issue. So it's about preventing 191 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: the next generation of kids from getting hooked on nicotine essentially. 192 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 2: So what we're going to do is just move it 193 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: from a retail point of sale to a pharmacy point 194 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: of sale. And that's in mine with why they were 195 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: brought in and allowed to come into the country in 196 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: the first places, because it was a therapeutic way for 197 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: people who wanted to give up smoking to move on 198 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: to a different form of nicotine that they could regulate 199 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: and as a way of them moving off cigarettes. 200 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: Essentially, do you have any worries that it's going to 201 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: mean that you know, some kids might then start sort 202 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: of buying them from the black market. 203 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: You know, the black market is always a concern in 204 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: any drug that has addictive properties, obviously, so there'll be 205 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: there'll be a real crackdown on black market sale. I 206 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: know in terms of those disposable ones, about two and 207 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: a half million have been seized that were on the 208 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: way into the country from January, these ones that are 209 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 2: deliberately aimed at kids and with what so that's two 210 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 2: and a half million that didn't end up being inhaled 211 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 2: by a kid getting hooked on nicotine. I think that's 212 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: really important. We need to keep a focus on that, 213 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 2: but also the fact that a lot of people will 214 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 2: tell you that that vaping got them off cigarette, and 215 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: that's important. What we want to do, though, is put 216 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: the point of sale back into the pharmacy and health 217 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: professionals across the board. Codie one hundred percent. I think 218 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: this is a good idea. Now, the pharmacies were the 219 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: Pharmacy Guild has been reported as being having some concerns 220 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: about them not wanting to sell an item that is 221 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: bad for your health, but we've worked through that with them. 222 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: It's a therapeutic environment in which someone from October, we'll 223 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: be able to have a conversation with a pharmacist and 224 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: purchase a vape for their use. But it also provides 225 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: an opportunity when people are talking to their doctors about 226 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: looking at other ways of getting off between if people 227 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: want to obviously, if people want to keep smoking vapes, 228 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: that they'll be able to do that through a pharmacy, 229 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: but they'll have the added support if they want. 230 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: Look, we aren't going to have to wrap up, but 231 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: I cannot let you go without asking. Is there any 232 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: update on the situation with Cold Chisel? Are we going 233 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: to see them coming to Darwin? 234 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: I really hope so, Katie. As you know, I've been 235 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: speaking with their management and there is some There is 236 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: an avenue by which it could happen in the coming 237 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: months when they're doing their national tour, but it would 238 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: require some pretty serious support because it's a long way 239 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: from the go from where they are currently touring. It's 240 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: a jam pack tour as it is. Yeah, but I will, 241 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: but I'll give you the heads up and as soon 242 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: as I know more. Just not in a position to 243 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: say anything just at this point, well let. 244 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: Us know, yeah, let us know. 245 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: I'll be keen to find out and keen to find 246 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: out what that support may be. 247 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll stay on to it. 248 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: Goslin, good to speak with you this morning, very much, 249 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: appreciate your time. 250 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: Now it's Katie. And obviously if there's any massively cashed 251 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: up Chisel fans out there. 252 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: Listening, is that what happened years ago with Elton John? 253 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: Remember years ago with Elton John. I thought that, do 254 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: you remember when Elton performed at TiO Stadium? 255 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought there was some support. Yeah, I do. 256 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: I think that there was some private support. I could 257 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: be wrong, and I'm very happy to be corrected by 258 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: any of our listeners who I know so many of 259 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: them have lived here for such a long period of time. 260 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: That was back in my days when I was on 261 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: Hot one hundred on the Young People Station, Luke Gosling, 262 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: And yes, I know that that there was some you know, 263 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: like there was quite a bit of a push to 264 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: get Elton to Darwin and I don't know what happened 265 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: to the end. 266 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jimmy said that he loves the fact that the 267 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: timing of it. It's their fiftieth year, it's a five 268 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: oh tour. Yeah, when they heard about our fifty years 269 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: and so and Tracy and our remembrance of of the 270 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: victims and the survivors. You know, there's there's the interest there. 271 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 2: We just as always you need to make the dollars work. 272 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Gosland, good to speak with you. We better 273 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: leave it there. Thank you, Thanks Katie, Thanks so much.