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Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Lala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as they're lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello, gangles,

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Speaker 1: we have a very talented human. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I want to whisper that bit, but we have a

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Speaker 1: very talented human on the pod today. Michelle Brazier, actor, comedian, author, singer, screenwriter,

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Speaker 1: and just announced in a new TV show called Ghosts.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear me in this chat.

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Speaker 1: I asked for about it because I'm a big fan

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Speaker 1: of the American version of the.

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Speaker 2: Show, and I was like, oh my god, and congrats.

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Speaker 1: Go so were allowed to say anything, and she was like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, actually no we're not. But the great news

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Speaker 1: is it's since been released that news, so we are

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Speaker 1: going to keep it in the pod and we're allowed

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Speaker 1: to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: So congrats Michelle. You absolute rip up.

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Speaker 1: But the other cool thing that Michelle has let me

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Speaker 1: do is share what she's got going on. So she's

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Speaker 1: doing the Edinburgh Fringe Festival this August. I keep wanting

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Speaker 1: to say film festival. So the Edinburgh Fringe Festival this August,

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Speaker 1: and it's her new show. It's a shame we won't

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Speaker 1: be friends next year. She's got the Adelaide Cabaret Festival

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Speaker 1: in June and that's Average Bear with a string section.

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Speaker 2: How cool.

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Speaker 1: She's got the Sydney Riders Festie coming up. I reckon

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Speaker 1: that's happening any day now because we're in May. And

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Speaker 1: then she's got the Perth Comedy Festival. It's a shame

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Speaker 1: we won't be friends next year. She's also doing the

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Speaker 1: Hobart Festival of Voices Average Bear. She's also touring Every

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Speaker 1: Bear in Auckland in June.

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Speaker 2: Holy Mac and her book My.

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Speaker 1: Brother's Ashes Are in a Sandwich Bag is also available

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Speaker 1: as a book and as an audio book. It's all

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Speaker 1: in the show notes, so you can get your hands

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Speaker 1: on it and support Michelle. Just as a not even

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Speaker 1: a trigger warning, but just let you know. We talk

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Speaker 1: a bit about grief, or a lot about grief. Michelle

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Speaker 1: shares it so honestly, openly, and there's a sense of

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Speaker 1: clarity about the way she communicates, Michelle, You're absolutely flipping

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Speaker 1: wonderful and I can't wait to see one of your

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Speaker 1: amazing stand up shows and I can't wait to watch

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Speaker 1: you in Ghosts. Massive congrats mates, mates, mate, I'm recording

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Speaker 1: this quite late at night in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: I've just been I've just side note my friends.

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Speaker 1: I've just been to one of Quentin Tarantino's movie theaters

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Speaker 1: here in LA. It's eleven forty one pm. But I

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Speaker 1: need to get this intro recorded so that at times

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Speaker 1: right for an Aussie Monday release tomorrow. So that's why

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Speaker 1: if I sound a little delia, that is why it

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Speaker 1: does not take away from the fact that Michelle, you

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Speaker 1: are absolutely unreal.

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Speaker 2: Loved having you in the Pot of Rooney.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing so honestly and courageously. And to

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Speaker 1: you the listener, I hope you take something away from

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Speaker 1: this chat. I hope you support Michelle, whether it's you

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Speaker 1: grab a book, go see one of her shows. She's

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Speaker 1: a good egg, all right, enjoy pue Michelle Brazier, thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming on the pod.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on the pod.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, you, my friend, are awesome. Slashy.

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Speaker 3: Can I owe you that. Yes, yeah, you can call

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Speaker 3: me a slash.

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Speaker 4: I got called a rack on teur by a review

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Speaker 4: in the UK, and I was like, first of all,

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Speaker 4: I had to google rac on tur.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it means like a storyteller of like

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Speaker 4: many forms. But I had to I really I kind

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Speaker 4: of thought it was like like a Philander, Like I

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Speaker 1: I can't see how you'd get that.

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Speaker 3: Why, I can see them both?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're an actor, comedian, author, singer, screenwriter.

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Speaker 2: Have I missed some stuff?

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Speaker 3: Dog enthusiast? Oh yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is it Eve even ether?

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Speaker 1: My little girl too friendly to be a guide dog?

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Speaker 2: So now a guide dog ambassador? Is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. She's actually recently retired, so she's a free agent now,

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Speaker 4: which is nice if anyone wants her to advertise anything.

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Speaker 4: She's not working for guide dogs anymore. But yeah, she's

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Speaker 1: Amazing. Now, you, my friend, feel like someone that does

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Speaker 1: keep creating. I'm going to do this. So take me

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Speaker 1: back to the VCA. Okay, so you were nineteen, right.

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Speaker 3: I was eighteen when I got in Where are you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So many people audition and don't get in.

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Speaker 4: because I'd been told your audition for all the drama schools,

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Speaker 1: Like go out and get more life experience. You're not

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Speaker 4: to me, which was really beautiful. Wow and kind of yeah,

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Speaker 1: We could do a whole podcast on like crazy stories

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, the things you survive are mad. But

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Speaker 3: To settle into the phenomena. Here for it, Here for it.

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Speaker 1: You fall in love with the murderer.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you're going to be murdered, why not

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Speaker 3: Plus girls, come on.

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Speaker 1: So okay, so you are like devastated about bc A. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: That just it stings. I just remember it really aching

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Speaker 4: They were trying it for burns victims, and so I

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Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, my brother who I adored. I just fucking

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Speaker 4: They're curious about what it is that you're feeling and

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Speaker 4: was like Australian comedians who were like, we're going to

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00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 4: this and ones I didn't know, you know, ones that

443
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 4: like because this was before I had any real success,

444
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 4: like I wasn't famous in any way. It was just

445
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 4: people going, there's an Australian comedian, it's her second Edinburgh,

446
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 4: her brother just died, We're gonna go. And it was

447
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,160
Speaker 4: people I had grown up watching on TV and stuff

448
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,880
Speaker 4: who really turned up and yeah, just came to came

449
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 4: to be there for me, which was really special.

450
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 1: It's like what you were saying about creatives, like they.

451
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 3: They rally and they get it.

452
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and they I think, yeah, like they're not

453
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: afraid of something about graves. Their hearts are a little

454
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: like even, yeah, you.

455
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 4: Have to you have to like take your skin off

456
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 4: to do the job, you know, right, And it's so

457
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,959
Speaker 4: hard because you you are kind of exposed to a lot,

458
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 4: like there's a lot of rejection, there's a lot of stuff,

459
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,199
Speaker 4: and so it's always raw. But also it means that

460
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 4: you get to feel things in such a really nice way.

461
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 4: And I think I would prefer to live that way

462
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 4: than having like a thicker skin, maybe because I feel

463
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 4: very resilient even though I am very vulnerable all the time.

464
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 4: I think that the two are often confused for being opposites.

465
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 1: Oh no, I think you can be them both one

466
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 1: hundred percent, And I think you definitely are both. Like

467
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 1: having researched you are like you're definitely both. So then

468
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: to then be like, Okay, some family members have passed

469
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: from cancer. I better like sus out what this means

470
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: for me and my health and how on earth do

471
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 1: you digest when you're like, Okay, So there's a ninety

472
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 1: seven percent chance, is that right?

473
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what the doctor said.

474
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 4: The first doctor I spoke to said, Yeah, there's a

475
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 4: ninety seven percent chance that you will develop the same

476
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 4: like family of cancers at some point in your life,

477
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 4: and it's just about catching it early, which if it's

478
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 4: about cancer like my brother, is easy or easier, but

479
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 4: if it's pancreatic cancer like my dad, it's almost impossible.

480
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 4: And I you know, I was probably twenty five, twenty

481
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 4: six when I got that information.

482
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 3: I'm the youngest in my family by quite quite a mile.

483
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: This is a eleven year gap.

484
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, between me and my sister. So I had

485
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 4: a real head start and I had this. I mean,

486
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 4: I've got such a drive to live, I really do.

487
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 4: I always have, Like I've always wanted to just eat

488
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 4: everything and try everything and see everything. I always wanted

489
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 4: to see every country and stay up late. And you know,

490
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 4: I was just one of those people all the time.

491
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 4: I'll never say no to things. My calendar is full

492
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 4: to the hour.

493
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: All this is your only day off, isn't it?

494
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 3: Day?

495
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,239
Speaker 1: When I told you I was like, shouldn't we going

496
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: to fit it in with all the filming and stuff,

497
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: And You're like, oh, yeah, this is my only day

498
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 1: off in like I've heard you say you only take

499
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: Christmas off. Yeah, that is I mean, I love it.

500
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 4: It's not healthy, it's it's not good. I don't advocate

501
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 4: for it, but it is how I live. And it's

502
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 4: just because I love my work as well. Like I'm

503
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 4: not someone who's going to a job that costs me

504
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 4: that much. I feel like it gives me more than

505
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 4: it costs me. Yeah, and I say that, I mean

506
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 4: I say that, but I've just been like so sick

507
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 4: recently because I think I overworked. And I do definitely overwork,

508
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 4: but like you know, I think time is there to

509
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 4: be used. And also like how much time do you

510
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 4: spend on your phone? Like I'd rather fill my calendar.

511
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: Or worrying or worrying, Oh my god.

512
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 3: And it's not good for you to worry. No, it

513
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 3: doesn't help you, it doesn't get ahead of the problem. No,

514
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: it's such a terrible habit.

515
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: Worrying the worst, Yeah, absolute worst.

516
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm so afraid of dying, Like I'm so

517
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 3: afraid of it, so I do worry if I'm left

518
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: to my own devices. I think I'm running from death.

519
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 3: I think that's why I'm busy.

520
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: Well, so I've heard you say the drive that comes

521
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: from running out of time, and so like being having

522
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: experienced such loss and then being like, hang on, these

523
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: I have the same genes, and then being like all right,

524
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: and is this where average Bear, Like that concept for

525
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: average Bear came from.

526
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where I started writing the show.

527
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I had this idea of like, I wanted

528
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 4: to write two separate shows. Originally, so I was going

529
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 4: to do my first like big solo show.

530
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: It was my first solo show.

531
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 4: It was my first solo show from when people knew

532
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 4: who I was. And I was like, Okay, this is

533
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 4: like me stepping out by myself and not being like

534
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: that girl from Auntie Donald or that girl from whatever.

535
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: It's like, this is me standing on my own two feet.

536
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: What do I want to say? And who do I

537
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 3: want to be? Like what's my voice?

538
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, I want to tell this story,

539
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 4: but I also want to tell this story about this

540
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 4: bear that's like afraid to go into hibernation and her

541
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 4: friends keep calling her and they're like babe.

542
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: Word hibernation, where are you?

543
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 4: And then like the more I sort of talked in

544
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 4: circles about that show, those two shows, which was.

545
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 3: You know, one about my brother and my family and

546
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: one about this.

547
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, they're the same show because the

548
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 4: bear is she doesn't want to go into hibernation because

549
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 4: she's she's afraid she might not wake up, and she's like, well,

550
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 4: if this is my last win, maybe I'll go see

551
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 4: this now, you know, And it's and it became a

552
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 4: question about you know, chemo and treatment and things. My

553
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 4: brother had such aggressive treatment and it kind of ruined

554
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 4: the end of his life. But he had two young kids,

555
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 4: so of course he had to do that, you know.

556
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 4: But I think if he there's a version of my

557
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 4: brother that didn't do the chemo and just got on

558
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 4: a plane and saw the world and died on his

559
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 4: own terms.

560
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: And I think there's something valid to that.

561
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, if I got sick, I

562
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: would definitely do a lot of treatment.

563
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,239
Speaker 3: I would definitely go in.

564
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 4: I do everything I do alternate therapies, I do chemo,

565
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 4: I do everything like I excuse me, I think like

566
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 4: I I stopped eating meat as soon as I found

567
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: out that I had this gene, and I you know,

568
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 4: got obsessed with carcinogens and obsessed with like, you know,

569
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 4: there's there's a version of me that really could have

570
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 4: gone down the like crazy lady pipeline and just scared

571
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 4: of everything. Yeah, And I try to be in you know,

572
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 4: do things in moderation. But I love and this is way,

573
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 4: like was excited to talk to you because I love

574
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 4: like trying to live a healthy and balanced life while

575
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 4: also you know, trying to enjoy everything.

576
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: It's really difficult.

577
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: It may I mean, it's it is hard. It is hard.

578
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: Like that's something that I think comes for like we

579
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: all are like, well, we want to be like there's

580
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: a thing in the health world, you know, I'm a

581
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: nutritionist right called orthorexia, and it's just where you're obsessed

582
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: with like, yeah, how many colories does that have? Or

583
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: does that have a castinogen in it?

584
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: All?

585
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: What about that colorant?

586
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: All this?

587
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: And actually like that anxiety is more damaging for your

588
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: health than having a really wholesome meal out with someone

589
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: that you love and you're just celebrating and like, in

590
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: so many cultures that's what food's about. And sometimes we

591
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: forget that. Yeah, I have to ask you, and this

592
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: is a bit of a selfish question because I know you.

593
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: I know you've to it La, New York, Like, how

594
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: did it feel going to America? Because I, like, I

595
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: live in LA and it I feel like you were

596
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: just like the Americans would eat you up in such

597
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: a good way.

598
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 3: I had a great time.

599
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 4: I've only ever done yeah, two shows of Average Bear Yeah,

600
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 4: and I loved I loved it. I did off Broadway

601
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 4: at a Soho Theater in New York and I loved it,

602
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 4: and they you know, got a standing ovation and it

603
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 4: was sold out.

604
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: I had a really wonderful time. And then I did my.

605
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 4: Show A Dynasty Typewriter in LA and I loved that.

606
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: The audience again like sold out, standing ovation.

607
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 4: It was just beautiful, Like I found, I felt really

608
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 4: embraced by them because I think Americans aren't afraid of

609
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 4: their emotions in the way that a lot of Australians are.

610
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: And I really love that about the Americans.

611
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 4: Like I knew, I knew that people coming to this

612
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 4: would really feel this and resonate with it. And I

613
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 4: mean I've been lucky, like I've gone to the UK

614
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: and it's done well. So I'm like, if the Britz

615
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: will stand up, the Americans will stand up, you know,

616
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 4: like if the britzill cry, the Americans will, right.

617
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: But I love America.

618
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 4: I mean I love LA and the culture of like

619
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 4: I love being able to get like a smoothie with like.

620
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 3: Mushrooms that will make me smart. Like I love shit

621
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: like that five million dollars.

622
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: What's the place aeropot Yeah, I'm usays like I love

623
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 4: that ship that.

624
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: You say it properly.

625
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 1: If I say to all an American, I'm like, oh,

626
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: I'm just going.

627
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: To Air one.

628
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: They're like, what Era one? It's crazy?

629
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I really, you know, I really do love

630
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 4: and embrace that like whole let's be as healthy as

631
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 4: we can. But also at the same time, I love

632
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: going out for a glass of orange wine and oh

633
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 4: yeah bread and olive oiler. Yeah, I'm like, let's go.

634
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 4: That's what life is, you know. So I think they

635
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: actually are both. It's about nourishing just different parts of you.

636
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: I my friend.

637
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: There's so much stuff that I that I have to

638
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: ask you, and I want to know You've also got

639
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: a new show as well, right.

640
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: I do, Yes, I just did it.

641
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 4: An Adelaide Fringe and I'll do it at Edin Brothercier.

642
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 4: It's called It's a Shame we Won't be Friends next year,

643
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 4: and I love it and I'm really glad it's good

644
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 4: because I didn't know if it was going to be

645
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: just in my Adelaide season and it turns out it's

646
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 4: People really liked it. But it's about this little boy

647
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: said to me in year six, it's a shame we

648
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 4: won't be friends next year. And I was like, but

649
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 4: we're going to the same high school and he's like, yeah,

650
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 4: I don't think people will like you in high school.

651
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh what. So it was like

652
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: my first othering, I guess.

653
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 4: And so from that point I talk about, like, you know,

654
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 4: one that I got this one bad review in London

655
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 4: that was my first bad review and it sent me

656
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 4: into a spin. And I think it was because it

657
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: said it's a shame because she's talented, but she's.

658
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: Not you know, we don't like the show or whatever.

659
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: And then it reminded me of drama school, of like

660
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 4: my teacher saying it's a shame he's just so talented,

661
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Speaker 4: but you just don't have what it takes or whatever,

662
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, it's I just have this

663
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 4: recurring like shame around the phrase it's a shame, and

664
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 4: I've really held on to it. And so I've reached

665
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: out to the reviewer and spoke to her and she

666
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 4: was beautiful. She was so eloquent. And I reached out

667
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: to the little boy from year six and he was

668
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 4: amazing as well. He was so kind and and then

669
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: the show sort of focuses on the nice things that

670
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 4: people say about us and saying nice things to each other,

671
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: because you know, it's so easy to hold onto the negative.

672
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 4: And the person that really built me up and made

673
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: me who I am is actually my drama teacher, Peter Cox,

674
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: who was the first person to be like, you're you're special.

675
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: Good for you, Peter. Yeah, he was a ledge we've

676
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: all got to have in a corner.

677
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: Yeah we really do.

678
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like people, you know, we undervalue teachers so much.

679
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: But he changed my entire life and every piece of success.

680
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 4: Like I wasn't thank God you're here because at lunchtime

681
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 4: to hide from the bullies, he would let me watch

682
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 4: thank God You'll hear.

683
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: DVD's in the drama room. Like that's why, Like it's

684
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: so clear who I am is because of him.

685
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: How fun is that show?

686
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

687
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 4: And he loves the best. It's crazy. It's mad because

688
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 4: they take you. You know, you're backstage and you're sort

689
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 4: of like they might be moving your set. So there's

690
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: a bunch of people who like, we'll just sort of

691
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 4: turn you to a wall. You can't see any of

692
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 4: the extras, you can't see any costumes.

693
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: It's quite mad. A lot of people are like, oh,

694
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: is it really improvised. I'm like, you can't. I can't

695
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: tell you how improvises. You don't.

696
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 4: You don't even see your own costume really until you

697
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: go on. So it's so fast paced and quite mad,

698
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 4: but it's a joy. It's so because.

699
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: That concept for a show has been around forever, hasn't it.

700
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: That's like, yeah, back in the day and we're going up. Yeah, Okay,

701
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're allowed to talk about this,

702
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: so we can take it out.

703
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: If we're not allowed to ghosts, we're not allowed to

704
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: talk about.

705
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: Everything everything I researched. I was like, so we won't

706
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: go there. Okay, So if you and I could look

707
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: into a crystal ball right now, Okay, you've done so

708
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: much stuff, like you love living you've just said it.

709
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: I love moving, I love it, and.

710
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: You write, you act, you sing, like there's this whole

711
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: musical theater you know twang which you trained in Ballarat,

712
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: right I did?

713
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah I did.

714
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: And I guess I want to know, like, because you

715
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: clearly run at everything and you've got so much drive

716
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: and tenacity. What if we were chatting in a year

717
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: from now, like, what would the dream be like? Do

718
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, oh, and I know

719
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: this stuff that you can't talk about.

720
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: I was like, I've just had a dream come true

721
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: that I don't even know what. I guess what I

722
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 4: can say is for the first time I've been cast

723
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 4: in something that I get to create the character alongside

724
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: the writers and I'll be the first person to play

725
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: that character. And I get to play just one character

726
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 4: in the entire because I'm always doing sketch or like

727
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: you know, things like that. So that was like my

728
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 4: long term dream and now I really so I really

729
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: want to get the TV version of Average Bear up

730
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 4: to be as like that's what I'm really working on,

731
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 4: and I want to be show running that and sort

732
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 4: of the like traditional US way of like just doing that.

733
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: And I think that would be. I think that's my dream.

734
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 4: I think that's what I want to do.

735
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: What is your favorite medium because you cross so many?

736
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's such a good question.

737
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: Listen.

738
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: I think singing is the most important thing to me, so,

739
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: like if I sometimes think, because this is an interesting thing,

740
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 4: is I often get like colonoscopies because of my health situation,

741
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: but I never get endoscopies because I'm so afraid that

742
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 4: someone will accidentally nick one of my vocal folds, and

743
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: it's the only thing that I'm like. I think maybe

744
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 4: I would take being able to sing until I die

745
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 4: rather than more time. I think that might be true.

746
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: I don't, and that's quite mad, but it's so important

747
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 4: to me. So I think singing is my favorite thing.

748
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 4: But in terms of acting, I love I love being

749
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: on set because you become such a family. But then

750
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: I love being in the theater because you're with the

751
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 4: audience and it's so live and like a tennis match.

752
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: I think I think doing screen comedy.

753
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 4: Acting with a lot of heart in it is really

754
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: beautiful because you don't have to there's no technical stuff

755
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: that you need to do to make sure you're heard.

756
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 4: You can really just play that part because there's a

757
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 4: camera on you and you don't have to get to

758
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 4: the back of five hundred people what you're getting to

759
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 4: the front row.

760
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: So I think maybe that's I think that feels very

761
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: pure to me.

762
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: I love that.

763
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: What about you? Can I ask you?

764
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, well no, it's my dream is like

765
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: literally sitcom or drama.

766
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 3: Y okay, amazing.

767
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: I love that in an ensemble, yeah, we're playing with

768
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: your friends. Yeah, but on set for sure, I love

769
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: I love so much fun.

770
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: It is so much fun, even the days along. But like,

771
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: I don't know why people complain about it. People bring

772
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 4: you a coffee, they bring you all your food, someone

773
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 4: carries your shoes, they give you a jacket as soon

774
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 4: as they call cut.

775
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: It's like, it's crazy that anyone would ever complain about

776
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: their job.

777
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: To be honest, I'll have to get you back on

778
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 1: after you do the dream I really can't talk about

779
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: because I love hearing the story of light, especially because

780
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: you're having such a your fingerprints going to be on

781
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: this character in such a way like you're part of

782
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: the writing and all of that. But also like I

783
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: love you, like when you get your costume and make

784
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: it like how that affects like you becoming this character

785
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: because essentially it is a version of you, but like

786
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: with all these other the elements that are like so

787
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: we'll have to have a part too one day, my

788
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: friend will, I couldn't have you on without asking advice

789
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: For a young creative, whether it's actor or a singer

790
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: or a writer, it can be really daunting, and I

791
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: do think like sometimes it can feel like the dream

792
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: is so far away and it's too hard, like it's

793
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: just out of reach absolutely, And what advice would you

794
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: have for a creative that just has a dream but

795
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: is a bit scared to go after it?

796
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 3: Okay, I totally understand how you feel. I'm from the country.

797
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 4: I remember being from the country and just being like,

798
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 4: how would you even begin so specifically if you're from

799
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 4: the country, it's really really hard. But anyone who doesn't

800
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: have any contacts, I think, see as much as you can,

801
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: see as much as you can. And you're growing up

802
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 4: in a time now where like I mean I'm saying

803
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 4: growing up, but like we're in a time now where

804
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 4: you can make content online, you can make content, and

805
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: I would just say, like throw it out into the void,

806
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 4: like especially on TikTok, it's not really going to stick

807
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 4: to you in any real way. Like Instagram feels more

808
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 4: personal for some reason, but TikTok is like just try

809
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 4: your stuff. You don't even have to like share your

810
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 4: stuff with people, you know, but just make stuff. And

811
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: if you don't feel comfortable making stuff or you don't

812
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: know how, like learn how to make theater with your friends,

813
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 4: find your people. See as much as you possibly can,

814
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 4: and I mean like see as much theater, read as

815
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 4: much as you can, and like a lot of places

816
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 4: will have like if you call like a theater and

817
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 4: be like, hey, could you put me on a list

818
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 4: for if you need seat that bums on seats because

819
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: someone's filming something, or you know, and you call like Century.

820
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 4: If you want to get into comedy, you call Century,

821
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: or you call Token, Like don't call them, but you

822
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 4: can sign up for their mailing list and you might

823
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 4: get free tickets to somebody's trial show, like if you

824
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 4: can't afford because I know that class is the biggest boundary,

825
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: you know, and that's really hard and I face that

826
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 4: when I was young, and I think, you know, there's

827
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 4: ways to sort of get your get your fingers in there,

828
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 4: But just see as much as you can, read as

829
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 4: much as you can. If you want to make films,

830
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 4: go and see theater. If you want to make theater,

831
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 4: go to a concert, like, get as much as you can,

832
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: and do get training if you can. If you can't

833
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 4: afford it, prioritize your training. Don't just wait for things

834
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 4: to happen to you. Always ask the question. Always ask, Hey,

835
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 4: I'm trying to do this, can you help me? Like

836
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 4: you'd be surprised by how many people can help you

837
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 4: and how many things I got just by saying can

838
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 4: I have a go? Like I really always my whole

839
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 4: life to put my hand up. I remember like I

840
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 4: started doing comedy because I wanted to do acting and

841
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: I couldn't get my I couldn't get an agent, like

842
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: I couldn't get my head in the ring. So I

843
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 4: was just like, Okay, I'll do this and then maybe

844
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 4: one day someone will see me, and they did, you know.

845
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 4: And a lot of the time I get cast for

846
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 4: things without auditioning because people have seen me do so

847
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: much stuff now and that wouldn't be happening at my

848
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 4: age if I had just been straight up an actor.

849
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 4: But yeah, just have everything, do as much as you

850
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 4: can have your finger in every single pie because you

851
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: never know which one's going to get baked.

852
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 3: And make your own work. I know that's a lot,

853
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: but just do it. Don't be afraid of it, don't

854
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: be afraid to ask for anything. I got a job once.

855
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: I got my first TV full time job was mad

856
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: as Hell. Sean mccalves mad as Well, and I.

857
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 4: Got that specifically because I said to my friend Tom Ballard,

858
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 4: who I wasn't even that close to you at the time.

859
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I knew him, but he

860
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: was like much more famous and successful than me. And

861
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 4: we were in a car by chance because we were

862
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 4: doing this media call for the Comedy Festival, and he

863
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 4: was like, I'm doing this play and I was like,

864
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: oh cool, what's the play? And he told me about

865
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: the play that he'd written and that there was a

866
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 4: role in it that was like she's a singer, and

867
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: I was like, well, Tom, I'm a singer and an actor.

868
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: Please put me on your play. He put me in

869
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: his play.

870
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: Sean came and that served as my audition for mad

871
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 4: as Hell, and then I'd got into mad as Hell.

872
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 4: But also Sean had seen me doing Auntie Donna sketches

873
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 4: with my friends because we made our own stuff, and

874
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 4: we've made We've had so much success in making our

875
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: own stuff. So I think that just the more ways

876
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 4: you can put your hand up and say hey, I'm

877
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Speaker 4: here and I'm trying, I think it's really helpful, really good.

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Speaker 3: You can only get a no. I mean, don't be annoying,

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Speaker 3: but like I love, I.

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Speaker 1: Love, I love what you said, Like put your fingers

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Speaker 1: in as many parts as you can. One of them

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Speaker 1: all bake, like exactly, something's gonna I think that we

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Speaker 1: get really scared when we hyper focus on one thing

884
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't work out, and it's like it's not

885
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Speaker 1: not all of them are ever going.

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Speaker 2: To work out.

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Speaker 1: You to me feel fearless, Like I don't think you're

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00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: afraid of doing scary things?

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Speaker 3: Would you agree? Yes? I think so.

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Speaker 4: Well, my biggest fear is dying. So I'm not going

891
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 4: to like jump out of a plane. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 4: tempt to fase. Yeah, but yeah, I'm not afraid of.

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Speaker 3: Like if anyone's like, can you ride a horse for

894
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 3: this job, I'm like, yeah, I can ride a horse.

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Speaker 3: I can't ride a horse, but like I'll learn.

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Speaker 1: You figure it out, figure it out along the way,

897
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Speaker 1: along the way exactly, like, why not, I'll figure it out.

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Speaker 3: It's fine. And I'm not afraid of failing in front

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Speaker 3: of an audience, like who cares.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's the gift of being a stand

901
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: up though. Yes, I've had a lot of You don't

902
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: get to succeed unless you bomb.

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Speaker 3: Right, I think so.

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Speaker 4: And I also think having theater training, I would say you,

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Speaker 4: for any comedians, get as much theater training as you can,

906
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Speaker 4: because then you will not turn on your audience the

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Speaker 4: way that you sometimes see comedians turn on the audience.

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Speaker 3: And it's really awful. They might be enjoying it, you

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 4: They're just enjoying it quietly, and people will just turn

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Speaker 4: on them and be like, okay, well this worked in

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Speaker 4: this city and okay, all right, well I'm not even

913
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Speaker 4: gonna do that because you hate me and it's like

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Speaker 4: stop this this was going really well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I think that they all combine, you know, they

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Speaker 3: all really help.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I'm not afraid of the stage because I had to

921
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Speaker 4: learn to walk again, grow up. Also, the audience is

922
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Speaker 4: never gonna think about you again. If you bomb like,

923
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Speaker 4: they're not gonna be like how embarrassing. They're just gonna

924
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Speaker 4: be like, oh, yeah, we saw this girl, she's fine,

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Speaker 4: Like whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how good you've got.

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Speaker 1: You've got such a good ability of like getting getting

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Speaker 1: information and either going yep, great, I'm gonna use that

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Speaker 1: here or I don't need that, let it go.

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Speaker 4: You have to learn to filter things, yeah, filter them

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Speaker 4: into like a meaningful experience or something that's not going

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Speaker 4: to help you.

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Speaker 3: Don't read your reviews.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my goodness, Michelle, You're an absolute gem of

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Speaker 1: a human being. I could talk to you all all day, love,

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Speaker 1: and I really look forward to what comes next for you. Truly,

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Speaker 1: I am so pumped for you. And yeah, go out there,

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Speaker 1: keep doing the thing. You're killing it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry.

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Speaker 2: This potty my word.

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