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Speaker 1: Today's Friday, the tenth of September. My name is Sam Kazlowski.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by the co founder of the Daly Os,

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Speaker 1: Zara Seidler. This is the Daily OS podcast where we

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Speaker 1: break down the news for you in five minutes and

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Speaker 1: give you a bit of a deep dive into something

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Speaker 1: interesting to think about in your day. We'll start with

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Speaker 1: a quick rap of COVID nineteen news from around the

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Speaker 1: country before we get into the stories of the day.

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Speaker 1: In New South Wales there were fourteen hundred and five

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Speaker 1: new cases of COVID nineteen. Victoria recorded three hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty four and in the Act there were fifteen new cases.

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Speaker 1: There were lots of big announcements our PACE conferences, particularly

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Speaker 1: in New South Wales. Zara talk us through it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, eleven am was kind of stressful. Yesterday we found

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Speaker 2: out quite a bit of news and a lot of

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Speaker 2: it was good news, which was really really welcome for

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Speaker 2: much of the lockdown state. So what we found out

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Speaker 2: yesterday was that we have a path to reopening, so

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Speaker 2: that is additional freedoms for vaccinated people when the state

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Speaker 2: reaches seventy percent of the population who are double dose vaccinated.

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Speaker 2: Just a heads up that we're expecting to get there

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Speaker 2: around mid October, but no specific date was provided because

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Speaker 2: we could get there sooner or a bit slower than expected,

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Speaker 2: so there's Some of the changes that are included in

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Speaker 2: this roadmap are that five people will be able to

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Speaker 2: visit a home where all adults are vaccinated, twenty people

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Speaker 2: will be able to gather outdoors, and hospitality venues will

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Speaker 2: be able to reopen, subject to some density limits. We

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Speaker 2: have an explainer with all the changes on our Instagram,

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Speaker 2: so head over there if you want to know what's

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Speaker 2: in store for New South Wales. Yesterday, the Premier may

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Speaker 2: clear who will be able to access these new freedoms.

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Speaker 3: If at the time we open there are high case

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Speaker 3: numbers in a concentrated area, it may well be that

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Speaker 3: vaccinated people will be able to undertake everything on the list,

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Speaker 3: but within their own local community.

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Speaker 4: Rather than having the freedom to travel everywhere.

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Speaker 2: It is important to note, though, that there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of LGAs that will remain in lockdown, so head

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Speaker 2: to the New South Wales Health website if you want

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Speaker 2: to check whether or not you are part of this

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Speaker 2: easing of restrictions.

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Speaker 1: It was then time to focus on regional New South Wales,

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Speaker 1: with regions deemed low risk in the state coming out

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Speaker 1: of lockdown from twelve oh one on the eleventh of September.

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Speaker 1: The changes are similar to those that will apply to

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Speaker 1: Greater Sydney, and schools can open with level three measures

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Speaker 1: in place. Deputy Premier John Barrollaro, who represents the interests

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Speaker 1: of the regions, highlighted that some things won't go back

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Speaker 1: to normal in the regions as quick as perhaps communities

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Speaker 3: For those areas that are coming out of lockdown, that

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Speaker 3: you are not coming back to a pre lockdown environment.

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Speaker 3: There will be capacity limits for our pochos, cafes and restaurants,

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Speaker 3: including the four square meter or mask wearing social distancing.

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Speaker 3: There's rules around certain activities that won't can recommence. Community

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Speaker 2: China has pledged thirty one million dollars to Afghanistan, including

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Speaker 2: food supplies and COVID nineteen vaccines. The Chinese government also

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Speaker 2: confirmed it's ready to maintain communication with the Taliban. Has

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Speaker 2: been described as an important partner by the Taliban, with

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Speaker 2: the country previously inviting representatives of the Taliban for talks

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Speaker 2: back in July, offering some sort of economic support at

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 1: Today's good news is that the world's largest plants designed

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Speaker 1: to remove carbon dioxide out of the air, situated in Iceland,

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Speaker 1: has begun running. As the plant begins to run it

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Speaker 1: full capacity, it will aim to draw four thousand tons

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Speaker 1: of carbon dioxide out of the air every year, which

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Speaker 1: is equivalent to the emissions from about eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy cars.

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Speaker 2: As we said at the top of the podcast today,

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Speaker 2: there were some pretty substantial changes announced for New South

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Speaker 2: Wales in the upcoming weeks. We thought it would be

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Speaker 2: a really good opportunity to chat to a member of

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Speaker 2: the New South Wales government, Victor Dominello, who is the

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Speaker 2: Minister for Digital and for Customer Service within the Bargeclian government.

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Speaker 2: Sam spoke to Minister Dominello about how these changes will

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Speaker 2: the infrastructure that the government is expecting to have in

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Speaker 2: place when we move towards these freedoms. Here's Minister Dominello.

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Speaker 1: Minister Dominello, I'd love to start with your health. How

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Speaker 1: are you feeling? It was on August eighteen, I believe

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Speaker 1: on a DROOPYI. Since then, there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: misinformation about your health online tied into COVID nineteen, and

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Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting place to start. So

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Speaker 1: how are you well?

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Speaker 4: Thanks for asking. I'm feeling really good. Like I think,

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Speaker 4: I'm about ninety ninety five percent. There there's the bottom

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Speaker 4: right hand corner of my mouth is still a little

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Speaker 4: bit slow and delayed in its reaction, but I'm expecting

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Speaker 4: for recovery anytime now. But what the last month has

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Speaker 4: really demonstrated to me is the destructive power of disinformation.

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Speaker 4: And it's not just misinformation. There's disinformation people deliberately saying

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Speaker 4: false things. Even though on this very same page I

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Speaker 4: say I've had a astrozenica jab and then I post

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Speaker 4: had firezer and he's had saline solution. It's very disturbing.

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Speaker 4: People were using me as a propaganda tool effectively to

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Speaker 4: scare people in relations of vaccines, and it was just

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Speaker 4: completely outrageous. I did not have a vaccine for basically

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Speaker 4: three months until I got the bells palsy, so there

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Speaker 4: was no correlation at all for me now to be

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Speaker 4: the poster child or the anti vaccine movement and the

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Speaker 4: whipping Boy. Look, it's sad for them that they need

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Speaker 4: to rely on mistruths to send their message.

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Speaker 1: The vaccination rates in New South Wales tell thankfully a

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Speaker 1: very different story to what you would have seen online,

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Speaker 1: and we're seeing really strong vaccination rates, particularly in your electorate.

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Speaker 1: Has the ability of New South Wales to embrace the

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Speaker 1: vaccine has that surprised you?

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Speaker 4: It has in terms of its pace. So obviously there

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Speaker 4: whole lot of let's call it challenged messaging around Astroseneca

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Speaker 4: because the reality is an arthern hemisphere has been taken

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Speaker 4: Astrosenygo for six months before us and without too much concern.

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Speaker 4: But when Team New South Wales really got into gear,

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Speaker 4: the pace at which they've embraced the vaccine has been

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Speaker 4: just inspiring. We will, honestly, I am very optimistic by

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Speaker 4: that will put us right up there in terms of

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about that time. Let's say that you

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Speaker 1: are going into a cafe, you've got the demonstration of

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Speaker 1: your vaccination status, you've got maybe a proof of identity

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Speaker 1: if there's an alcoholic beverage involved, and you've also got

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Speaker 1: the service New South Wales check in. How can we

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Speaker 1: bring all of that together?

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Speaker 4: Very good question because you know, my job as the

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Speaker 4: agencies first. So if government agencies had their way, you'd

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Speaker 4: got three or four different agencies in any given time,

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Speaker 4: so to get if you're eighteen nineteen twenty and you

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Speaker 4: need to prove your age, that's in accordance with the

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Speaker 4: Department of Liquor and Gaming. You've got to demonstrate your age. Okay, fine,

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Speaker 4: that's one rule. Then if you've got to check in,

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Speaker 4: that's according to Department of Health. That's another agency. And

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Speaker 4: then if you've got to show your vaccinesity to get again,

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Speaker 4: that's another agency with the federal government. So if we

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Speaker 4: were not putting people first, you'd be having three different

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Speaker 4: pieces of documentation or three different apps just to get

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Speaker 4: a drink. It's crazy. So what we're trying to do

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Speaker 4: is integrated the law into the one app. But what

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Speaker 4: is critical is that it's got to be driven by consent,

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Speaker 4: so people need to own that decision. So you've got

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Speaker 4: to go in by your Medicare Express app and then

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Speaker 4: so then you get that seamless experience.

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Speaker 1: Do you see potential by the end of the year

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Speaker 1: to have that seamless experience executed in our pockets?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. I'm expecting the pipeline between the federal government who

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Speaker 4: have the immunization Register, to have that pipeline created to

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Speaker 4: New South Wales by the last week of this month.

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Speaker 4: We'll do testing in that last week so that people

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Speaker 4: can then open the gate for the consent gate so

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Speaker 4: the information can go through to New South Wales and

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Speaker 4: then hopefully have a product in the market a pilot

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Speaker 4: in the first few weeks of October, and then have

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Speaker 4: it ready for industry adoption statewide middle October, and then

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Speaker 4: there'll be iterations along the way. There's always enhancements, improvements,

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Speaker 4: but to get a minimum viable product to market in

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Speaker 4: a very short time by middle of October.

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Speaker 1: We get a lot of comments on our page from

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Speaker 1: people who have had COVID nineteen and have been told

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Speaker 1: that they won't be able to get vaccinated for a

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Speaker 1: little while to increase efficacy of the vaccine. Normally it's

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Speaker 1: a six month waiting period. I think that's the guidance

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Speaker 1: at the moment from New South Wales Health. Is there

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Speaker 1: any way that they can digitally show a medical exemption?

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Speaker 1: Is that being thought about in your plans to build

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Speaker 1: in the service and news functionality.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's a great question because there's a number of

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Speaker 4: wouldn't be fair for them because in ordinary circumstances they

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to think how much thought has to go

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Speaker 1: systems and relationships between in the federal system and the

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Speaker 1: state system. Are you worried about the level of technological

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Speaker 1: those without access to really strong phone signal and technology

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Speaker 4: You know, people like my mum's seventy four, the most

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Speaker 4: important person in my world. She's got a phone. But seriously,

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Speaker 4: she does not use the text. She just uses the

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Speaker 4: you know what we did in our service New South

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Speaker 4: Wales is we designed a I've called it an inclusion card.

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Speaker 4: So now we will issue her with a card, a

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Speaker 4: QR code, so that now when she goes up to

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Speaker 4: give name and details. So we're always thinking about how

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Speaker 4: we bring everybody on the journey.

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Speaker 1: Are there any concerns about fake documentation making its way

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Speaker 1: into the system as well?

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Speaker 4: Yes, at the moment. For example, when you get your

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Speaker 4: certificate your vaccinations, to do it from Medicare Express goes

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Speaker 4: on your phone, that's fine, but then you can print

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Speaker 4: it out. And again once you print it out, anybody can.

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Speaker 4: Paper is very easy to create. Fraud from digital end

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Speaker 4: to end is far more secure what this will produce

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Speaker 4: I can then scan that QR code on your vaccination certificate,

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Speaker 4: which will then take me back the base to say, no,

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Speaker 4: this is legit, it's real, it's not a forgery.

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Speaker 1: I particularly enjoy following you on LinkedIn, and I really

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Speaker 1: enjoy your interactions with that sort of platform and what

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Speaker 1: you do on there is you talk about what little

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Speaker 1: bugs and what little issues are on the horizon for you. Else,

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Speaker 1: are you looking to fix what's the next Minister Dominello

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Speaker 1: problem diying out?

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Speaker 4: Well, I can give you an exclusive maps. We have

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Speaker 4: a whole lot of other digital initiatives such as Active Kids,

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Speaker 4: and the map experience is not the same. They're on

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Speaker 4: my mind is that we want to build off the

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Speaker 4: DIN to Discover voucher because there'll be other vouchers coming across,

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Speaker 4: team at Service who I'd like my startup company service

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Speaker 4: you so well as I love them. So I've got

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Speaker 4: the Senate Service creating basically a one stop shop for

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Speaker 4: maps because in the future, to optimize that customer experience,

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Speaker 4: you should be able to I just want to go

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Speaker 4: This is a type of stuff I want to see

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Speaker 4: using it for Die Discover, then there's a whole lot

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Speaker 4: use this experience to then digitize the Senior card because

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Speaker 4: other benefits from digital such as the Seniors Card. But

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Speaker 4: so I want them to go and say, okay, where

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Speaker 4: is a business near me that's offering discounts from my

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Speaker 4: Seniors card. But if that map experience is not intuitive, interactive,

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Speaker 4: easy to use, and then people won't use it. I've

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Speaker 4: got the briefing today. I've now got a line of

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Speaker 4: sight as too when it comes to market, So that's good.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a reform that's going to be appreciated

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Speaker 1: across the board. That doesn't there's not a particular demographic

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Speaker 1: It's widely appreciated, I think. So I'm glad the Dailo's

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Speaker 1: got that exclusive of maps too.

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Speaker 4: It is literally great.

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Speaker 1: Minister Dominello, thank you so much for joining the Daily OS.

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Speaker 1: We always appreciate it when politicians like yourself pay attention

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Speaker 1: to young people in New South Wales and we hope

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Speaker 1: you have a good rest of the day.

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Speaker 4: Oh thanks simm and thanks for having me. I really

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Speaker 4: appreciate it.